Salting DMT

[chopstix]

Am I missing something here?

Dissolve 200mg base in ~20ml acetone
Add 2 drops %31 HCL (this time it fizzed, I hadn't noticed that before)
Evap down into a reasonably dry goo
Dissolve in 3ml warm, distilled H20
Split into two (100mg) doses and plug -

This should be DMT HCL, right?? It tasted fairly neutral and very salty.

I think my ass is broken and I'm not alone; I don't think I've ever had anything really work whilst using my butt as an ROA, anyone else think plugging just fucking sucks ass??

[ausativa]

is yur pipes clogged?

[chopstix]

Nah, made sure to properly purge down there beforehand, same with the cat who plugged the other half..

Smoking base on top seemed to be maybe slightly potentiated, but not much. I finally wound up just putting 80mg in the pipe and THAT worked.

Fuck plugging tho I'd really like to figure out how to stretch this stuff out. It makes me want to go explore things, but there isn't ever enough time..

[Benz]

If you started off with DMT freebase, couldn't you smoke it? Off foil & heated from below? DMT is also supposed to be orally active if taken with an MAOI.

I take it you've used it before & know how powerful it is. I've never had the chance to try it (not that I've tried to find it) though I've read some pretty crazy trip reports. Hope you work something out & get what you want from the experience? let us know how it goes.



Benz

[SeVeN]

Plugging works awesome for me. Not sure about the dmt tho, never plugged it. Just smoked.

[ausativa]

in my experience, finding the time to where i can actually take an maoi, is very difficult, considering that, with the plethora of drugs that i dabble in, most, if not all of them are directly affected my maoi's. When you plug dmt, it should be effective, because it isnt passing through your gut, its going around that area of metabolism.

also, my oral dmt experience was not what i had hoped, maybe because i didnt give the maoi enough time to saturate my body, or i didnt take enough dmt, or maybe because im used to the exploding into the universe, not taking a long stroll down cosmic beach.

[chopstix]

I'm thinking it just wasn't enough. Woody Bear reports results at 35-100mg IR but with Harmala as an MAOI, all we had was passionflower (smoked).

It was fun, a few really heavy hits, but I get what Woody Bear thinks about enjoying lower doses for longer periods, I really wanna do that. Changa is cool (passionflower smokes really well - blows tobacco all to hell), but the J always seem to burn up quick.. Maybe a Changa blunt is the ticket..

[Woody Bear]

I've never plugged DMT without taking harmala alkaloids beforehand, so I don't know if just plugging DMT by itself would work or not. But I do know that for me, smoking DMT without taking harmala alkaloids first, usually gives me nothing more than a light headed feeling. And taking ayahuasca with the harmala and DMT in one cup, never works for me. I have to take the harmala at least 45 minutes before the DMT in order to get effects from the DMT.

It takes just over 0.5 mL of 32% HCl acid to salt 1.0 gram of DMT freebase. If 1 mL contains 20 drops of water, than that maybe 10 drops of acid, which means that to salt 200 mg you'd need 2 drops. However, I have had an issue where I was counting out drops with a pipette, which has smaller drops than a eye dropper, so I wasn't using enough acid.

Each dropper will produce a different number of drops per mL depending on the dropper tip size, and the density of the liquid. So if you are going to measure out how many drops to use, you'll have to suck up 1 mL of acid into your dropper, and count how many drops that 1 mL produces, then you can calculate how many drops you need from that.

It's better to give 1 drop extra, as the excess HCl acid will evaporate off. Also after the DMT hydrochloride dries, if it still smells of the acid, it's helpful to add 2-3 mL of acetone and then evaporate off the acetone again. As the acetone evaporates, it helps any residual water evaporate, and the trapped water holds onto HCl.

chopstix, I'd bet that the reason why you didn't get effects from it, is that you didn't take harmala alkaloids beforehand. Passionflower isn't effective at making DMT orally active, you really need either P. harmala or else the ayahuasca vine. Taking more DMT is not really going to get past that. 100 mg DMT is already much more than enough, really 25 - 35 mg DMT is plenty.

[borohydride]

Those harmala alkaloids are MAOIs, are they not?

Best to read up and take care with those things.

[chopstix]

Both of those alkaloids are R-MAOIs.

Good info re: how much HCL to use (it was neutral, I wondered if I used enough) and especially the acetone wash - the end product was *very* gooey and difficult to handle.

I've tried to find P. Harmala in about a dozen stores spanning two states and I have yet to see them. Someone turned me onto a site that sells not only Harmala seeds, freebase and extracts, but also b. caapi and bark for a good price. I'll probably wait a bit but I def wanna try this with an MAOI, last breakthrough was fucking spectacular. 80mg on top of what I plugged. My head exploded and it was bliss.

Anyway - I'll try again and report back..

[retrogradeamnesia]

B.Caapi FTW (especially when talkn da Chang Chang)

[Woody Bear]

Good info re: how much HCL to use (it was neutral, I wondered if I used enough) and especially the acetone wash - the end product was *very* gooey and difficult to handle.
DMT hydrochloride is hygroscopic, it sucks water out of the air. So after drying it in the oven, once you remove it, it will rapidly become gooey again. It is important to fully dry it, especially if you use excess acid, as the excess HCl molecules will only evaporate once all the water is removed from the DMT.HCl.

The gooeyness issue means that DMT.HCl is difficult to handle and pretty much impossible to weigh out a dose and know how much DMT is in there. Once you stick it on the scales, it will keep increasing in weight as it sucks the water out of the air. So it's better to keep the DMT as the freebase, and weight out a single dose to convert to the HCl salt at a time.

I find it best to do the conversion in either a watchglass or else a cereal bowl. Add the DMT freebase, then dissolve it (in ethanol or acetone). Once it's dissolved, add the correct number of drops of HCl acid. Then heat it in the oven. I usually heat the bowl, then remove it when it's hot and fan it until the bowl cools down, then reheat again. This way the excess HCl fumes mostly come off in my kitchen rather then inside the oven which would make it rust.

There really isn't much HCl fumes that come off, you can smell them as it happens, and you don't start smelling it until almost all of the solvent has evaporated. The acid smell is stronger after opening the bottle of HCl acid, then it is when evaporating off the DMT hydrochloride.

The advantage of doing the conversion in a cereal bowl or watchglass, is that the shape makes the liquid form a very flat area, so the surface area is large and this makes the evaporation rapid. Once the DMT.HCl is dry, to use it, I'd add 3x 2 mL portions of water, then suck it up into a 10 mL syringe. Then it's pretty much ready to go. Because I add the water directly to the bowl, there's no messing about trying to scrap gooey product out.

I find it better to do the conversion like that, then to just add DMT freebase to acidic water, because by drying the DMT.HCl all the excess acid evaporates, also there's no messing about with a pH meter. Plus DMT.HCl dissolves into water extremely rapidly, but it takes longer for a lump of DMT freebase to dissolve into acidic water.