Fake Oxycontins Going around

[4WheelCrazy]

Hey Guys im Kinda of a newbie so go easy on me,I have been reading posts for a while but never posted myself.I have been Hearing about people geting fake oc80s and wanted to hear eveyones experinces.A friend claims he had Name brand oc80s and they were Identical shape/size/color but they were Tasteless and didnt affect him at all. Also has enyone seen Fake Ones Generic like abg80 or are there just Name brands going around? Please share your Ideas because I couldnt find nothing about this Online and this seems Like it could suck

[Opiyum]

The fakes i have seen were not the same size shape and color by any means. If you buy a fake eighty than you probably deserved it. Anyhow the person selling them is, in my opinion, just teaching lessons. whoever buys these fake guys will be better off afterwards.
And if you buy quanity then you can always just turn them over to some other poor sap.

[4WheelCrazy]

The fakes i have seen were not the same size shape and color by any means. If you buy a fake eighty than you probably deserved it. Anyhow the person selling them is, in my opinion, just teaching lessons. whoever buys these fake guys will be better off afterwards.
And if you buy quanity then you can always just turn them over to some other poor sap.


Well then Oviously You do Not know what you are talking about,The Fakes Look the same and there is No way to tell unless tasted,You say if I buy a Fake 80 I deserve it? Explain how? They are even Going around is Pharms and They are starting useing tracking devices for this reason,Reseach before you make a dumb Comment,and why would I want to Turn them Over ,that Has nothing to do with the Fact that there is CounterFit pills Going around does it? read this article i just found or Keep your Mouth shut

http://www.pharmer.org/node/3796

[Opiyum]

Wow touchy huh. The link you posted shows pictures of the fakes that i was talking about and they look, as I already said, nothing like the real thing.
And when you get ripped off and have extra fake pills lying around turning them over is about the only thing you have left to do.
Just cause you made a stupid thread doesnt mean you have to start yelling at people. If you cant tell the difference then your the one who doesnt know what hes talking about and lastly you ask how you deserve being ripped off?

You answered that question on your own.

Oh and thats not an article its a forum of, apparently, stupid mother fuckers like yourself. Have you ever done or seen an eighty? Cause they look nothing like that.

Good to have another new member here. Enjoy.


ANd to be clear I wasn't talking about you i inpeticularly in my first post. It was a general statement. I didnt think youd take it so personally. I know better now


http://www.pharmer.org/files/images//image-014.thumbnail.jpg

These were in a DEA microgram months ago. Its not only old news but, for anyone who does these regularly, nothing to worry about. Laughter is what would be inspired of me if someone tried to sell these to me.

[HistoryofMadness]

Easy guys. What was the question? Oh well, don't be too sensitive, this is a board full of junkies.. gotta roll with the punches.

[Opiyum]

Easy guys. What was the question? Oh well, don't be too sensitive, this is a board full of junkies.. gotta roll with the punches.

Sorry pops...

[LayinLow]

Hmm...if you keep reading past that DEA picture, you hear some crap about those not looking like the fakes and the fakes look exactly the same as regulars... they said something about a Chinese company making fake drugs that are popular in the states... I dunno... I haven't bought an OC in years and that other message board was annoying to read so I just closed it.

[chemboy7]

There are identical fakes going around, read about it on Pharmer.org (I think) a week or so ago, the only way to tell is to peal the green shit and do a taste test... no active drug and hardly any taste, and you all should know what your oxy taste like by now.

[Opiyum]

yeah crap and annoying

[chemboy7]

http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/3456/80mgoxycontinnexttoasmaller15mgfentanylmimic2micro gradw2.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

That's another picture of the obvious fake that Opi was talking about, the smaller all dark green on has 1.5 mg of Fentanyl.

Here's another:

http://img182.imageshack.us/img182/9982/mimicoxycontincontainingfentanyl2microgramjan2006d i9.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[LayinLow]

Hey chemboy, isn't 1.5 mg of Fentanyl a shitload? If it is usually measured in micrograms... 1.5mg's would be enough to kill you... no?
ps- that bright lime green wanna-b OC is funny as hell.. if someone really bought that after they saw it, they deserve to get ripped off... idiots.

[orangejuice]

Well, i believe that the micrograms for fent is a reference to the patches? Well, im really sleepy right now and cant really remember, but the microgram is, i believe, the amount of the drug administered (through the skin, of course) per hour. like 100mcg/hr. but it was still be a 100 mg patch right?. i dunno, too much oxy and hardly any sleep maybe im way off here. help me out chem.

OH yeah, newb,since nobody seemed to get to you so far, your introduction here as a noob was a fucking pathetic one. How could you, without knowing opiyum ( a respected member here, not a noob) under mind him? And then on top of that tell him he doesnt kno what he's talking about. AH, maybe you registered in the wrong place. I'd say cool your fucking jets, chief, before the "congressmen" here vote to put the o'l size 10.5 up side your image/username. Just a point. I like how you told him to do some research first, blah blah. Wrong move here, many of us here, including opiyum, aren't bags of douche, like you might be, or might be used to, and we dont say very many things that aren't correct here. I could go on, but you should get the point now. fucking welcome to the fucking board noob-face.

[chemboy7]

Hey chemboy, isn't 1.5 mg of Fentanyl a shitload? If it is usually measured in micrograms... 1.5mg's would be enough to kill you... no?
ps- that bright lime green wanna-b OC is funny as hell.. if someone really bought that after they saw it, they deserve to get ripped off... idiots.

That would depend on how it was ingested and tolerance really. Orally, naw, the suckers highest strength is 1.6 mg probably the worst that would happen to a non-tolerant user is they would get sick, not kill 'em. IV would have the potential to be a problem with some users; esspecially because most users would spot that BS fake and either wouldn't buy it or test it out before they just slammed the whole thing... the ones that would have would probably not have very big tolerances.

[vaxn8]

Chem- did anyone at pharmer ever post a pic of the alleged knockoffs (in the topic you're referring to)? The posts that the topic creator linked to was one guy (at pharmer) claiming he had an OC that was identical with no oxycodone. He never posted a pic, just kept claiming they existed and that it was a conspiracy by Purdue or the government. It sounds crazy to me, but that doesn't mean they don't exist.

It would be pretty hard to duplicate oxy's unless you were the manufacturer. I'm talking about the claim that they are identical inside and out. I don't think Purdue would bother with it. In that topic that was linked to, the guy claimed they were making these fakes so that pharmacies could hand them out during a robbery. Sound kind of crazy. I don't see Purdue going through the hassle of making fakes for this reason. Who knows??

Ike- shut the fuck up if that's the kind of stuff you have to say.

OJ- in a 100 microgram per hour patch, the whole patch contains 10 mg, in a 75 microgram, 7.5 mg. The dose on the fent lollipops (one kind) is 1600 micrograms, which equlas 1.6 mg. Probably wouldn't kill an adult, but would certainly knock out a naive user!

[devilsdrug]

another statement above got my attention tracking devices what kinda stupid shit is that , and good job opi and oj, looks like he may not be back to defend hizself

[chemboy7]

Chem- did anyone at pharmer ever post a pic of the alleged knockoffs (in the topic you're referring to)? The posts that the topic creator linked to was one guy (at pharmer) claiming he had an OC that was identical with no oxycodone. He never posted a pic, just kept claiming they existed and that it was a conspiracy by Purdue or the government. It sounds crazy to me, but that doesn't mean they don't exist.

It would be pretty hard to duplicate oxy's unless you were the manufacturer. I'm talking about the claim that they are identical inside and out. I don't think Purdue would bother with it. In that topic that was linked to, the guy claimed they were making these fakes so that pharmacies could hand them out during a robbery. Sound kind of crazy. I don't see Purdue going through the hassle of making fakes for this reason. Who knows??

To be honest, I wrote my response before reading all the replies (just most of the first one and alittle of Opi's really, I usually read more) so I didn't see that the thread starter was going off the same thing I had read about it before... figured he had a second source, thus confirming it. I haven't seen a pic of these particular oxys, nor any that bear even a slight resemblance, so it very well may have just been smoke up the ass... couldn't really say. I did read of that guy's crack pot theories and thought they were good for a chuckle, I was more interested in the what than the supposed why though. I will go out on a limb and say that although it would be a difficult feat the idea of near identical oxys being on the street wouldn't suprise me that much. People are selling those things for upto $80 a piece, if you had the equipment on hand (or had access to it) that would be a very efficient way of making a nice profit.

[dorje]

Aren't they making those in China so you have something to give to the parents at Holliween.
You know, all the kids show up the parents back away look happy but inside inside they are saying where's mine? Why don;t I get anything? Whip out those fake OC's and hand them a gob full. Watch those adult faces light up. Happy trick or treat.

[vaxn8]

I was curious about the tracking, so just did some checking and found some interesting info. This link is to a power point presentation talking about tracking methods some comments about counterfitting drugs and other info. In it they talk about a chinese anti-inflamatory drug that was counterfit, looked very close to the original but was made of boric acid, yellow highway paint and floor wax! Kind of scary! Anyway, thought I'd share this, good info on what the companies are considering!



http://www.asapnet.org/Lawrence_ASAPJune05.ppt

[KiloByte]

I always read the #s on pills now not only because its not uncommmon for it to be bullshit, these kids have no idea how many mgs of the drug are in each pill!


If you buy a fake eighty than you probably deserved it.

If you sell fake 80s than you probably deserve to get shot.


Hey chemboy, isn't 1.5 mg of Fentanyl a shitload? If it is usually measured in micrograms... 1.5mg's would be enough to kill you... no?
ps- that bright lime green wanna-b OC is funny as hell.. if someone really bought that after they saw it, they deserve to get ripped off... idiots.

You know thats bullshit, just because someone isn't as much of a pillhead as you and doesn't know the exact color shades of every pill for oxy dosn't mean they deserve anything. Besides from the color the pill looks exactly the same as a regular one and in the dark I might not even be able to tell if its green or not. And I don't know about you guys but where I buy I don't have time to be doing a "taste test." Fucking bullshit.

[Opiyum]

I always read the #s on pills now not only because its not uncommmon for it to be bullshit, these kids have no idea how many mgs of the drug are in each pill!



If you sell fake 80s than you probably deserve to get shot.



You know thats bullshit, just because someone isn't as much of a pillhead as you and doesn't know the exact color shades of every pill for oxy dosn't mean they deserve anything. Besides from the color the pill looks exactly the same as a regular one and in the dark I might not even be able to tell if its green or not. And I don't know about you guys but where I buy I don't have time to be doing a "taste test." Fucking bullshit.

Yeah you would react in that manner.

[blenderqueen]

I do recall seeing some reports on dateline or 60 minutes type shows about them putting tracking devices in OC bottles & other meds It hink to deter counterfeiters as well as diversion I would assume. sorry I have to run but will try to find some links later I know it was in the past few months I saw a show on this so it is in the works or consideration anyhow:rolleyes:

[4WheelCrazy]

Hey Guys,I didn't mean to Get some of You Upset,Plain and simple people have been counterfeiting ocs and I wanted to here peoples Views On it,I Guess its a Fairly new thing and some of You thought i was Full of it.I do agree if you were to buy some ugly looking green ass 80 then you Deserved it,But there close to Identical now and thats scary.Here is the Link with the tracking Going on http://www.rfidjournal.com/article/articleview/1626/1/1/

Thanks

[chemboy7]

^^^I didn't check out that link but I seen the letters RIFD in the addy... totally doesn't suprise me. I heard about those tracking chips (in relation to ordinary retail) alittle over a year ago and I knew right then that they were no good. It would be tracking the bottle like they do with watched chemicals though right? Surely we wouldn't be expected to swallow those tiny bastards would we? OK, so if I decide to rob a pharmacy I dump the pills in a bag... problem solved. Those RIFD chips are gonna end up fucking us really good in the future though, mark my words. First all our store bought goods will be fitted with them (Walmart, who I believe is the #1 fortune 500 company) has been considering their use from their development, only a matter of time before others follow suit. Next they are going to want to plant them in our pets in case they run away (already doing that now, just going to drop in cost and become more prevailent). Then they are going to want to start doing it to our children, so they can be tracked if they are abducted... pretty soon we all got 'em under our skin and big brother wins.

[vaxn8]

Chem- if you see the link I posted earlier in the topic it shows how the rfid chips work and how the system runs (as well as problems with it and "benefits). According to the link that the other guy posted, Walmart alreay requires it. It's like a little sticker that goes on the bottle and then they can use RF hand held readers to detect them. The presentation (link I posted) also talks about couterfeit drugs and shows some really good fakes that have been found (one is the one with floor wax, highwaypaint and something else). Also according to the link the topic creator posted, Purdue said (in spring 2005) that Oxy had never been duplicated, I think they meant really truly copied (so it would be near perfect).

[HistoryofMadness]

in my gov work i've worked on a couple of security projects, and RFID isn't really as scary as it sounds, here's why... first of all, Wal Mart's already using them (they are on the cutting edge of supply chain technology) as are plenty of other people.

They aren't tracking individual items, they are tracking shipments. typically once the box, crate, or whatever, is opened, the chip is disabled. Regardless of how good the technology is, they will NEVER place millions of those chips in all the shit we buy... that's why they have scan cards, to sculp promotions after buying patterns.

Regardless of how many blips they can monitor, companies will not even consider tracking individual items unless (a) there is some sort of (financial) return on investment, or (b) the gov mandates AND funds the program... neither of which are anywhere close to being reality.

[chemboy7]

I was unaware that Walmart was already using RFID chips to track shipments, this isn't how I was talking about them using them though. I am going from a textbook that I had for a computers class sometime last year that says that they are planning on implementing the technology into every one of their items for sale. The reason for this is conveinence, and saving money; it makes the cashier obsolete. Basically you have all the items in your cart and just have to walk through the isle and they are automatically wrung up and charged to your account. If they do choose to go through with this, it will take off big; this is America, the laziest nation in the world. Those chips cost fractions of a cent each to manufacture, compared to minimum wage the corporations will eat it up too.

Another problem I have with this is the matter of the chips being deactivated as you walk through the door, like they are supposed to be. See that's really a matter of trust, and why the fuck should I trust some shifty multi-million dollar corporation? If those chips are not deactivated it's just like planting a GPS tracking unit on you.

[HistoryofMadness]

I was unaware that Walmart was already using RFID chips to track shipments, this isn't how I was talking about them using them though. I am going from a textbook that I had for a computers class sometime last year that says that they are planning on implementing the technology into every one of their items for sale. The reason for this is conveinence, and saving money; it makes the cashier obsolete. Basically you have all the items in your cart and just have to walk through the isle and they are automatically wrung up and charged to your account. If they do choose to go through with this, it will take off big; this is America, the laziest nation in the world. Those chips cost fractions of a cent each to manufacture, compared to minimum wage the corporations will eat it up too.

Another problem I have with this is the matter of the chips being deactivated as you walk through the door, like they are supposed to be. See that's really a matter of trust, and why the fuck should I trust some shifty multi-million dollar corporation? If those chips are not deactivated it's just like planting a GPS tracking unit on you.

damn that's right, I totally forgot about that... of course you know everybody was saying the same thing about bar codes, and they're not threatening at all.. so I'm not so worried about it, cause like I said, what purpose would they have of tracking?

by the way, cell phones can track too, and nobody does that unless its completely necessary. if the shit hits the fan, i'm just dropping off the grid anyway, so who cares?

[chemboy7]

damn that's right, I totally forgot about that... of course you know everybody was saying the same thing about bar codes, and they're not threatening at all.. so I'm not so worried about it, cause like I said, what purpose would they have of tracking?

by the way, cell phones can track too, and nobody does that unless its completely necessary. if the shit hits the fan, i'm just dropping off the grid anyway, so who cares?

"They" have no reason to, but the 3 lettered agencies that would want to pay for this info, or worse yet force them into complying, are legion. And I am well aware of the whole cell phone bit, never use 'em... you'll never see me own a cell phone for just that reason. Fucking brain tumors to boot; not so I can talk to someone while driving down the road man, better give me a buzz or something. I don't like all the phone calls I get on my land line, why the hell would I want people being able to contact me where ever I go?

Think it's far fetched the government pushing themselves into businesses for their own surveilence, look at the shipping game now.

[Opiyum]

A old friend was worried when he discoverd that UPS ( I think it was UPS) was going to be using RFID's. I didnt quite see the harm in 'em.

[vaxn8]

^ Did he work for them? I just read (yesterday I think) about a trucker who was driving a load of crap with these in them. He finished his route early, parked 2 blocks away from work and took a nap. They tracked and busted him, end of trucker!

[Opiyum]

That's funny cause this was bar none the most lazy person I have ever known. If he were to get a job, which at the age of twenty three he has yet to, that is what he would do with it.
Great person though. Just not so cool when you have cigs and he doesnt. This was the case for years on end.
The way he could scrounge up money for 40's (beer) was amazing though.

[devilsdrug]

id rather carry a hand grenade with the pin pulled than a cell phone, i believe wal mart is using the tech to moniter items on shelf in store for inventory not waiting for cashregister info , when its off the shelf somebody get buzzed to get more out there pronto, they were losin too much to empty shelves

[chemboy7]

id rather carry a hand grenade with the pin pulled than a cell phone, i believe wal mart is using the tech to moniter items on shelf in store for inventory not waiting for cashregister info , when its off the shelf somebody get buzzed to get more out there pronto, they were losin too much to empty shelves

That's what I'm saying man, fuck cell phones; I chain smoke so I don't need another accessory to look cool. Hahaha. They may very well be tracking self space with RFIDs right now too, I'm unsure... don't shop at Wallmart. I do know that they did have plans on implementing that cash register deal, but whether they will ever go through with it or not is another story. It's a fairly clever idea really; I mean they are saving money, moving the lines light years faster, preventing theft, locating products, whatever... I still hope it never goes through. I don't trust those RFIDs one bit.

[edarrin]

At risk of sounding a tad behind on this WTF is an RFID? Remote Following ID? Yeesh, how did this veer from those silly looking fakes to high tech tracking devices.

Think some of you are just a little paranoid? Just a thought.... :cool:


Obviously most on this board are from the U.S..

BTW there has been a booming trade of (what the DEA calls fakes...which are really counterfeits..BIG difference) for over 10 years that I know of . Probably longer. And yes it is very profitable. The reason it is so profitable is because of the price of Pharms in the U.S..

I realize there are also inert fakes from China as well. Pays to know your sources rep on the net. Unless you plan to travel to China in which case you would almost certainly be ripped off unless you are fluent in Manadarin . That's my .02 for what it's worth. Which is likely nothing as it seems people are more focused on post counts than real info.

[SpecialGuy69]

At risk of sounding a tad behind on this WTF is an RFID? Remote Following ID? Yeesh, how did this veer from those silly looking fakes to high tech tracking devices.

Think some of you are just a little paranoid? Just a thought.... :cool:


Obviously most on this board are from the U.S..

BTW there has been a booming trade of (what the DEA calls fakes...which are really counterfeits..BIG difference) for over 10 years that I know of . Probably longer. And yes it is very profitable. The reason it is so profitable is because of the price of Pharms in the U.S..

I realize there are also inert fakes from China as well. Pays to know your sources rep on the net. Unless you plan to travel to China in which case you would almost certainly be ripped off unless you are fluent in Manadarin . That's my .02 for what it's worth. Which is likely nothing as it seems people are more focused on post counts than real info.

RFID is Radio Frequency Identification. try google on stuff like that. Oh, and why the post-whore dig?

[edarrin]

RFID is Radio Frequency Identification. try google on stuff like that. Oh, and why the post-whore dig?


Just reacting to the vibe I've gotten, that's all. There is an abundance of info on here. Just that I'm probably one of the oldest, chronologically, if not the oldest, posters on here . No I don't think that necessarly makes me smarter,more knowledgeable ,better,worse,prettier or whatever than anyone else. Just that I've heard, tried and done more by default. I've had more time to do it in. Had a broad range of useage/abusage (didn't spend much time on spelling or typing:) ) through several decades starting in the early 70's with a fairly broad selection of drugs. Call me jaded perhaps... I'm sure there are a few others lurking about.

And lazy...I could have googled that. Or used 'the google' as the esteemed Mr. Bush puts it LOL

[Brony]

Well, i believe that the micrograms for fent is a reference to the patches? Well, im really sleepy right now and cant really remember, but the microgram is, i believe, the amount of the drug administered (through the skin, of course) per hour. like 100mcg/hr. but it was still be a 100 mg patch right?. i dunno, too much oxy and hardly any sleep maybe im way off here. help me out chem.

The 100mcg/hr patch actually has 10mg of fentanyl in it, but, like you said OJ the fentanyl is administered at a rate of 100mcg/hr. Hope that clarifies things.

[nick]

in my gov work i've worked on a couple of security projects, and RFID isn't really as scary as it sounds, here's why... first of all, Wal Mart's already using them (they are on the cutting edge of supply chain technology) as are plenty of other people.

They aren't tracking individual items, they are tracking shipments. typically once the box, crate, or whatever, is opened, the chip is disabled. Regardless of how good the technology is, they will NEVER place millions of those chips in all the shit we buy... that's why they have scan cards, to sculp promotions after buying patterns.

Regardless of how many blips they can monitor, companies will not even consider tracking individual items unless (a) there is some sort of (financial) return on investment, or (b) the gov mandates AND funds the program... neither of which are anywhere close to being reality.
I don't want to worry you bro,but in the Uk Tesco and ASDA(wallmart UK) place chips in individual products if they have a history of systematic theft-razor blades for one.
I'm just amazed you don't have this in the US.

[SpecialGuy69]

Just reacting to the vibe I've gotten, that's all. There is an abundance of info on here. Just that I'm probably one of the oldest, chronologically, if not the oldest, posters on here . No I don't think that necessarly makes me smarter,more knowledgeable ,better,worse,prettier or whatever than anyone else. Just that I've heard, tried and done more by default. I've had more time to do it in. Had a broad range of useage/abusage (didn't spend much time on spelling or typing:) ) through several decades starting in the early 70's with a fairly broad selection of drugs. Call me jaded perhaps... I'm sure there are a few others lurking about.
If it's an easy question like what's RFID, no problem. Ask me to look up a thread, forget it. I've found (almost) everyone here to be really accepting, and since you have lots of experience, and consequently, lots of information, you will probably make a valuable contributor to the site. Give it a shot- I think your opinion will change. As long as your information is correct, you explain it clearly, and it's relevant, you won't get flamed. I've only been flamed once here, and it was totally my fault.

[SpecialGuy69]

Oh, and about the fake oxys- Perdu Pharma makes placebo OC pills- they are identical to the real ones in every way, down to the binders, etc, so they probably taste the same. Perdu makes them for use in placebo trials, when they need someone to think they are taking OC while they are actually getting none.

I don't know how many of these they make, or if they have ever made it into circulation- or if this is what the guy was referring to in the first place.

[Digitopium]

Can you imagine taking an OC Placebo? Fuck, that would have to be the biggest buzzkill ever. Its not like prozac where the power of suggestion could, indeed, alone brighten up your mood. You take an OC and you expect to feel some hardcore shit coming on...no doubt. I wonder how that would make them taste like an OC (if bitten into, or coating removed). the binder is just talc, so no bitterness, no oxycodone....:confused: