Hydro Potentiation Timeline

[evilfix]

OK i have read all the stuff about making hydros hit harder and longer. i will list the basics:

Tagamet
Antacid (Maalox)
Grapefruit juice
DXM gel caps

are the ones i am mainly dealing with here. easy/cheap to get.

i would like to know what order to administer these chemicals for the desired effect.

the way i have it, is take 200-400mg of tagamet. 45 mins later antacid, 15 mins later wash X hydros and Xmg DXM gelcaps with a glass of grapefruit juice.

how many mgs of DXM are recommended?

is this method correct? any recommendations would be appreciated.

[nick]

OK i have read all the stuff about making hydros hit harder and longer. i will list the basics:

Tagamet
Antacid (Maalox)
Grapefruit juice
DXM gel caps

are the ones i am mainly dealing with here. easy/cheap to get.

i would like to know what order to administer these chemicals for the desired effect.

the way i have it, is take 200-400mg of tagamet. 45 mins later antacid, 15 mins later wash X hydros and Xmg DXM gelcaps with a glass of grapefruit juice.

how many mgs of DXM are recommended?

is this method correct? any recommendations would be appreciated.
Jesus such dedication to getting stoned,I'm impressed.

[GoddessofRATs]

I've used all of those things to potentiate Hydro's and Tramadol. I find the grapfruit works the best. As for what order you're supposed to ingest these things to get the maximum potential I'm not sure. I always take an antacid about 45 minutes before i take the pills and than when I'm ready to take the pills i down them with 8 oz. of Grapfruit juice. Someone said Aleve is a good potentiator but when i tried it i didn't notice anything.

I've used DXM for potentiating but i sip some after i take my pills. It seems to work fine that way but I'm not sure i am doing that right.

Anyway, just share my .02 cents.

Goddessofrats

[john_doe]

DXM might change the high into something else. Non-hydroish. If you know what I mean. I wouldn't take alot unless you like DXM and in that case take a good sized dose. But if you dont really like it i'd suggest 50-100mg. DXM is an alright high. I used to love it when I was younger. It was amazing. Much better than Ketamine in my eyes. Less nausea and better high. You get so high you feel like your walking on clouds lol. U feel like you are defying gravity it's insane. I once got so high I walked on a picnic table at a school around here and I JUMPED OFF AND LANDED FLAT ON MY FACE AND FELT NOTHING!!! Like you feel nothing while on i it's pretty amazing. But is pretty bad for your brain I think. Good painkiller though. IF it wasn't as psychedelic it would be a great pain reliever for everyday use.

I also agree that grapefruit juice is the best potentiator besides LUVOX or Fluvoxamine. Well I know fluvoxamine potentiates methadone i'm not sure about hydro. Be careful with that though. It can cause heart problems it's dangerous I think. I don't use it because it has crazy effects on your enzymes. More than grapefruit much more.

[Opiyum]

Take a tagamet an hour prior to dosing then fifteen minutes before dosing take the antacid. Then of course you dose.

I tried it a number of times and it definatly got me much higher when I too,k the Tagamet with the antacid compared to when I didnt....Actually i did this with Oxy and H and Dilaudid but I think it works the same with Hydro.
I noticed that it had the greatest effect with the Oxy. Never tried the DXM and as far as GF juice goes it has the same effect that Tagamet does. So either Tagamet or GF juice works fine. Interchangable in my experience.

[chemboy7]

DXM might change the high into something else. Non-hydroish. If you know what I mean. I wouldn't take alot unless you like DXM and in that case take a good sized dose.

That is exactly the reason I don't use DXM to potentiate, I hate Dextromethorphan with a passion... I'd rather eat Belladonna. It's one of the dirtiest highs out there why would you want it masking your Opaites, the king of drugs? That's like eating roman noodles with your caviar. I hear that low dose DXM does the trick also though, I wouldn't know.

[orangejuice]

Yeah, dxm does potentiate opiates, IMO only to an extent, and only if your at the right amount of both. Especially the dxm Too much will waste your opiate, you wont feel it as good, and it makes it shorter acting. Too little, and you'll just get a little drowsy.

[orangejuice]

I've used all of those things to potentiate Hydro's and Tramadol. I find the grapfruit works the best. As for what order you're supposed to ingest these things to get the maximum potential I'm not sure. I always take an antacid about 45 minutes before i take the pills and than when I'm ready to take the pills i down them with 8 oz. of Grapfruit juice. Someone said Aleve is a good potentiator but when i tried it i didn't notice anything.

I've used DXM for potentiating but i sip some after i take my pills. It seems to work fine that way but I'm not sure i am doing that right.

Anyway, just share my .02 cents.

Goddessofrats


Goddess, i hate to be a nit pick again, but whoever told you that aleve was any thing of a potentiator for anything didnt kno what they were talking about. Its good for aches and pains, thats about it. Im 99 percent sure that im right on this. If im wrong please someone tell me!!! ive been going about all this wrong if its true. Do you have the link where someone said it godess?

[chemboy7]

Goddess, i hate to be a nit pick again, but whoever told you that aleve was any thing of a potentiator for anything didnt kno what they were talking about. Its good for aches and pains, thats about it. Im 99 percent sure that im right on this. If im wrong please someone tell me!!! ive been going about all this wrong if its true. Do you have the link where someone said it godess?

Aleve will not potentiate Opaites.

[antony]

I'd rather eat Belladonna. .


i did that once. i still cant get the smell of her out of my hair. icky poo

[dorje]

You did her too... Man those big eyes and that Reverse Cowgirl trick. Incredible

[GoddessofRATs]

That is exactly the reason I don't use DXM to potentiate, I hate Dextromethorphan with a passion... I'd rather eat Belladonna. It's one of the dirtiest highs out there why would you want it masking your Opaites, the king of drugs? That's like eating roman noodles with your caviar. I hear that low dose DXM does the trick also though, I wouldn't know.


I hate DXM as well. The one time i tried it alone to get high it was so NASTY, i felt horrible. I'll never do it again to get high or in high doses.

When i use it to potentiate i only take a sip or two which probably doesn't even help potentiate lol. But yea, I'll never ever get high with DXM again, OMG i felt so nasty when i was high on that stuff. I think i only reached the 1st plateau, i can't even imagine what the 2nd and 3rd are like

DXM Yuck Yuck!

Goddessofrats

[GoddessofRATs]

Goddess, i hate to be a nit pick again, but whoever told you that aleve was any thing of a potentiator for anything didnt kno what they were talking about. Its good for aches and pains, thats about it. Im 99 percent sure that im right on this. If im wrong please someone tell me!!! ive been going about all this wrong if its true. Do you have the link where someone said it godess?


I had a feeling that Aleve wouldn't be a potentiator. I can't remember for the life of me where i read that crap. I think it was in some junkies blog or something like that.

I wasn't saying or meaning it was a potentiator i just meant that someone said it would work but i was pretty sure it wouldn't do a darn thing.

Maybe i just didnt Type it out right.

Goddessofrats

[orangejuice]

You did her too... Man those big eyes and that Reverse Cowgirl trick. Incredible


Hmmm, i kno this "belladonna" too. all to well. along with the eyes, and the reverse cowgirl greatness, that gap between her teeth.. lol

[chemboy7]

I hate DXM as well. The one time i tried it alone to get high it was so NASTY, i felt horrible. I'll never do it again to get high or in high doses.

When i use it to potentiate i only take a sip or two which probably doesn't even help potentiate lol. But yea, I'll never ever get high with DXM again, OMG i felt so nasty when i was high on that stuff. I think i only reached the 1st plateau, i can't even imagine what the 2nd and 3rd are like

DXM Yuck Yuck!

Goddessofrats

Now don't get me wrong, I dig dissociative anestetics... can't think of any other one that I dislike, shit I don't even mind getting wet every now and again. And I have had more than my fair share of heavy DXM experiences (even though I never really cared for the high it gave me). DXM is just a dirty drug, it feels filthy... I don't mind it's delusional qualities; that's what I was after out of it. It's not even that it makes me sick, it doesn't, it just feels nasty to me.

[orangejuice]

yeah, i concur with the nastiness it gives ya. I've always felt that. It just is a dirty feeling. Always, thought that was because it was cold medicine i was taking and somehow thought that dxm in pure form would be better and rid of the "dirty" feeling. I doubt it though.

[skeletontea]

Always, thought that was because it was cold medicine i was taking and somehow thought that dxm in pure form would be better and rid of the "dirty" feeling. I doubt it though.

A friend of a friend ordered some dxm powder from a chem house once. He said it felt the same. My vote for dirtiest high though would have to be anticholinergics. I made some datura tea yesterday, and while I drank it, I thought to myself "Hmm, I haven't done this in a good while," and for good reason too. It's like a waking nightmare.

As for the original topic, I've only used grapefruit juice to potentiate hydro, which worked quite well.

[halfalien_s4]

ibuprofen is a good potentiator....i know from expirience and it also says so in one of my pharmaceutical books...

[evilfix]

thanks for all the repies guys.

for the ibuprofen, how much in advance do you take it? an hour? or at the same time as the hydros?

[antony]

i wouldn't go too crazy with the advil. I think as a pain reducer, it would def. help; as for a buzz push, I doubt it would do anything noticeable.

[orangejuice]

I really hope the thing about ibuprofen isnt serious. Its a joke right?

[GoddessofRATs]

I really hope the thing about ibuprofen isnt serious. Its a joke right?

Yea, i was once prescribed Hydro's along with Ibuprofen 800 and i never noticed the Vicodin being stronger. I don't think it would be a good potentiator.

It really says that in you pharmacuetical book? Maybe the book just mean that Hydro and Ibuprofen work better together to help pain but not as a potentiator. I don't know, maybe I'm wrong. But, i don't think it would potentiate.



Goddessofrats

[evilfix]

what is it about grapefruit juice that makes the hydros hit harder? is it just the vitamin C? cuz apple juice has just as much, if not more vitamin c in it. not to mention it tastes a HELL of a lot better! rofl.

[Opiyum]

Nope not that Vit C. Take a look in the search engine.

[red26]

GFjuice inhibits a digestive enzyme in the liver I think.

[lukilu]

Ahh, I wanted to see them use the search;)

..................Lukilu

[southernbelle]

I've never used grapefruit juice before, but from what everyone says on here it must work. As soon as the cafeteria opens up, I'm going to get some. I use Alka-Seltzer to potentiate. It sounds silly, but it works for me. I take a dose right after I dose (does that sound stupid?):o and in a few minutes I'm flying high and ready for work......or play.;)

[chemboy7]

I've never used grapefruit juice before, but from what everyone says on here it must work. As soon as the cafeteria opens up, I'm going to get some. I use Alka-Seltzer to potentiate. It sounds silly, but it works for me. I take a dose right after I dose (does that sound stupid?):o and in a few minutes I'm flying high and ready for work......or play.;)

Isn't Alka-Seltzer pretty much just baking soda? Hey whatever works I guess; placebo is latin for "I please".

[southernbelle]

It does have that in there; but there's also aspirin and citric acid. I'm going on the assumption that it's the aspirin that does the trick. But who knows, it may all be in my head.....

[antony]

It's probably the carbonation fucking with your gut.

I think it goes along the lines of the myth (maybe true) of carbonated drinks making alcoholic drinks hitting you faster as well.

vodka and soda anyone?

[Inspektahdek]

GFjuice inhibits a digestive enzyme in the liver I think.


It inhibits a certain "Cy" enzyme that works to break down the opiate so when you use it as well as tagamet it lets the opiate stay in your system longer giving you a longer duration but not necessarily a more profound high. DXM taken at the dose 50-70mg potentiates your opiate of choice or scripted but anything beyond that kind of ruins the high and makes it more dissociative and overrides the opiate feeling.

[Beautifully_Broken]

will tums work instead of malox?

[Narkotikon]

Now don't get me wrong, I dig dissociative anestetics... can't think of any other one that I dislike, shit I don't even mind getting wet every now and again. And I have had more than my fair share of heavy DXM experiences (even though I never really cared for the high it gave me). DXM is just a dirty drug, it feels filthy... I don't mind it's delusional qualities; that's what I was after out of it. It's not even that it makes me sick, it doesn't, it just feels nasty to me.


Exactly. I'll do DXM when I'm desperate, but I really hate it. I know that it's sometimes related to narcotics and such, but it's nothing like it. For me, DXM is very psychedelic, not euphoric, and it just gives me a dissociated feeling. I mean, I know it's a dissociatve, but it's not like K. I consider K more of a narcotic, just because of the euphoria. DXM makes me feel cold, spacey, and sort of like a near-death experience. Not like a K-hole, just different. I can still move and stuff on DXM, but it's just different somehow. I can't really explain it. I really does feel nasty...cold and nasty.

As far as the potentiators go, I'd say clonidine is the best, then phenergan if your talking about opiates in general. I've never tried the tagament trick, but I've done the grapefruit thing several times. I don't know. I didn't really like it. Yes, it made the high last a lot longer, but the euphoria was diminished for me at least. Clonidine helps potentiate, but it can be sedating. Likewise with phenergan.

[Narkotikon]

It inhibits a certain "Cy" enzyme that works to break down the opiate so when you use it as well as tagamet it lets the opiate stay in your system longer giving you a longer duration but not necessarily a more profound high. DXM taken at the dose 50-70mg potentiates your opiate of choice or scripted but anything beyond that kind of ruins the high and makes it more dissociative and overrides the opiate feeling.

Certain SSRI's also inhibit the CYP enzymes. I know Prozac can't be taken with codeine. I don't think it bothers hydro or oxy, but I think it would pod tea or heroin maybe, since it's got to be converted to morphine.

[Soda]

DXM activates the reptilian brain. It makes you a Lizard King.