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[hovadagod]

....for you sensitive folk. So I need to get off junk. I'm in grad school and it's just getting worse. I started with regular PK's and the next thing I knew I was on tons and tons of hydro. Now I want to get off w/o WD's.

To do so I have plenty of hydro but I really don't think I am capable of weaning myself off. Maybe sub but all I have of sub is a 95ml bottle of .1mg/1ml bupe. And I have a transdermal spray that has about 8mg per spray. It doesn't work as well as it sounds.

I don't wanna do the bupe b/c than I'm looking at a month long WD if I go back on, and I started the hydro again to prevent that after a long period on the bupe. SWIM has 120 10/325 and 80 15/100 hydro/APAP.

SWIM obviously has enough to wean me off but he takes so many at a time there won't be any left for me to wean with. Not that any of you will have a good solution to this. The bupe is not really helping the WD's all that much FYI. Just because I dissolved it. And imodium wouldn't do shit right now. Maybe if I took 20 but I'm scared to do that.

On a more positive note I tried dope for the first time this weekend.

[antony]

how many pills you take a week?

I was at 250-300/month, and it would be much more, with a more constant supply. Then the dealer disappeared. And the shit hit the fan. Literally.

I was able to use my legit source for 100 pills/month and be happy. Because I'm forced to.

So if you don't know if you'll be able to pick up a fat drumstick off that turkey, and eat the whole thing, you wont(stop, that is).

[LayinLow]

On a more positive note I tried dope for the first time this weekend.
And that is positive how? I thought you were trying to wean yourself off opiates...
was it fun at least?? ;)

[CUBErt]

On a more positive note I tried dope for the first time this weekend.

Not to sound negative, but your chances of kicking just decreased considerably

[hovadagod]

Dope was no stronger than some serious tea bouts. And oxy. But that won't affect my inability to wean off. I've never been able to do that.

And that positive note thing was a joke.

[devilsdrug]

this guilty deal wasnt brought on by usin the h was it , i mean it would make sense if u follow my thoughts and i know ur a sharp coookie

[hovadagod]

Close. More like a last hurrah that I feel guilty about. You always need that last hurrah as we all know. I never tried it and was honestly convinced it wouldn't be much differnet than what I experienced. Because it wasn't; I realized my tolerance was absurd and work needs to be done to get through grad school. Disog.

[devilsdrug]

cool its that all encompassing passion this way or that way , many moons ago i was fighting the same deal the decision was made for me when i was found guilty by jury trial of two counts of sales of heroin to the allready 4 time loser rat with a tape recorder , i was a 0 time loser at time . better shortin this story so hang with the right thhang i woulda tried had the choice not been made by somebody else

[CUBErt]

Damn DD, ur avatar makes more sense now. That's a bummer man, fuckin rats.

and hovadagod, whenever my friends and I would "go out with a bang" on junk we would wake up the next day and be like "shiiit we did too much last night we're gonna be sick now, its better to taper we'll just buy a smaller sack today." Or someone wouldn't finish their dope and so they "had" to use the next day then everyone else would get jealous and use with them. Or if it was a Friday night we'd wake up Saturday morning and someone would say we should keep going the rest of the weekend since school sucks anyways we might as well make the most of it (then when school came it sucked too much to go to without dope). I could go on but you get the picture.

[vaxn8]

Now I want to get off w/o WD's.
To do so I have plenty of hydro but I really don't think I am capable of weaning myself off. Maybe sub but all I have of sub is a 95ml bottle of .1mg/1ml bupe. And I have a transdermal spray that has about 8mg per spray. It doesn't work as well as it sounds.
Tapering is tough! If you have plenty of hydro and some bupe available though, you can do this if you want to. If you think of it as taking a break- whether to lower your tolerance, focus on getting your stuff together for school, whatever the reason. I think it's harder to do if you go into it thinking you're quitting. When I think that, I get so obsessed about what I am going to do for the rest of my life and how I would feel and on and on. If you look at is as a break, it's not as overwhelming! Still hard, but doable. If you can get yourself into grad school, you can take control of your habit.
Is the sub really only 0.1 mg/ml or was that a typo? Is it really a transdermal spray, or is it sprayed under the tounge? I've never heard of a transdermal drug that is sprayed???

I don't wanna do the bupe b/c than I'm looking at a month long WD if I go back on, and I started the hydro again to prevent that after a long period on the bupe. SWIM has 120 10/325 and 80 15/100 hydro/APAP.
This part is a little confusing to me. Are you thinking of using the bupe as a taper to go down to taking nothing, or thinking of doing short term maintenance with it? Are you trying to get rid of your stockpile or wanting to save it to a later date? Depedning on how many hydro you're taking/day it sounds like you have enough to taper and make this easier on yourself. If you want to hang on to the hydro though, you don't have to taper it to switch to the sub.
Just think of how your tolerance would be if you did a sub taper, took some time to focus on school, then went back and tried the hyrdo sometime down the road. You'd get a lot more out of it than what you're getting now and you would have accomplished something.

SWIM obviously has enough to wean me off but he takes so many at a time there won't be any left for me to wean with. Not that any of you will have a good solution to this. The bupe is not really helping the WD's all that much FYI. Just because I dissolved it. And imodium wouldn't do shit right now. Maybe if I took 20 but I'm scared to do that.
I'm a little confused here. Are you taking both right now, the hydro and sub? The sub's not going to be very helpful if you keep going back to the hydro, it can actually make w/d worse depending on how you're taking them- that is if you're taking both.

Close. More like a last hurrah that I feel guilty about. I realized my tolerance was absurd and work needs to be done to get through grad school. Disog.
FUCK guilt! It doesn't do ya any good and you don't need stupid shit like that to think about. You've got a lot going on, you're in school, I know grad school is a lot of work and you're thinking about taking a break from something you really like to do- that's a lot to deal with, FUCK the guilt!

i was found guilty by jury trial of two counts of sales of heroin to the allready 4 time loser rat with a tape recorder , i was a 0 time loser at time . better shortin this story so hang with the right thhang i woulda tried had the choice not been made by somebody else
DD- did you get ratted out by a guy who has been convicted 4 times already?? That's really bullshit! How could a jury if they had one fucking brain cell believe a guy who has been convicted that many times over a clean record? I really don't understand how people think sometimes!:mad:

[devilsdrug]

oh i could tell ya but the pt was that was the start of a carear behing bars i now a gazillion time loser , no shit i ve lost count , but it stands at somewhere around sixteen felonies

[dorje]

You beat me DD-That's a lot of time. Miranda saved my stuff from a 71/2 to 15 in New York for possesion with intent to sell (one bag) but they had my buddies dead body as evidence (he ODed)

[devilsdrug]

yea that first one was under the indeterminate sentencing mine was 2 3 to 5s after that all determinate and u kinda look it up on a table, how many priors ect ect bodies are never good , they just dont help[

[dorje]

Too True, amigo. It seems we are in a race for the Ancient Junky award. The youngsters around here don't understand surviving all this stuff isn't easy. Hep C taking most of us wiseguys away.

[HistoryofMadness]

every hurrah is the last hurrah.

tapering is an excuse to use more dope, and it never works from what I've seen, and it only stretches out WD for another day.

having said that, get rid of the pills if you can, and use the subutex after a few days, and I swear it will help then, when you're in the thick of it, but again its just putting off the hard part...

that's all only if you REALLY want to stop.

[nick]

you bought the ticket,now it's time to take the ride.
I'd just like to say I'm trying to detox and I'm on taper over 4 months and if I knew what I know now,I'd have done it cold turkey.
In the end no matter if you taper or not you're going to get sick,but it probably wont kill you.
I'll race you to sobriety,joking.Good luck man.
P.S.If you are stopping I've found NA a great help.

[Opiyum]

I was at 250-300/month, and it would be much more, with a more constant supply. Then the dealer disappeared. And the shit hit the fan. Literally.

Literally Literally or fake literally? Were you pooping in a zero gravity enviroment?

[antony]

Literally Literally or fake literally? Were you pooping in a zero gravity enviroment?

oo, double literally cancels itself out. only once please.

[Opiyum]

You didn't answer my second question. Literally.

[antony]

You didn't answer my second question. Literally.

Literally, no. But literally sick. literally, I was sick for a week.

doesn't this sound like 'the rutles' movie?
http://www.reel.com/Content/Reelimages/features2002/rocknroll/rutles.jpg

[Opiyum]

another day of back and forth riffing ....another diluted thread.

i believe our work here is done.

[nick]

Literally, no. But literally sick. literally, I was sick for a week.

doesn't this sound like 'the rutles' movie?
http://www.reel.com/Content/Reelimages/features2002/rocknroll/rutles.jpg Ah yes Dirk,Stig,Barry and Nasty,managed by "Leggy "Mountbatten if my fractured memory serves.Liked them turning on with tea as well.

[antony]

Ah yes Dirk,Stig,Barry and Nasty,managed by "Leggy "Mountbatten if my fractured memory serves.Liked them turning on with tea as well.

and their pants.

"why did he like their pants?"
"because, they were, um, tight."
"ah."
"You could clearly make out every-"
"Yes, I understand, Mrs. Mountbatten."
"It was well defined."
"ok."

[nick]

and their pants.

"why did he like their pants?"
"because, they were, um, tight."
"ah."
"You could clearly make out every-"
"Yes, I understand, Mrs. Mountbatten."
"It was well defined."
"ok."
Antony bro,you have far too much time on your hands.

[antony]

Antony bro,you have far too much time on your hands.

It's gotta be one of my favs. Nasty is hilarious. I don't know which is better, him being misquoted as saying "we're bigger than rod." and responding, by saying "you reporters are all daft, but i guess i'll get in trouble for saying that too"

or the classic:"I'd like to own a squadron of tanks." in a bad liverpool accent.

[nick]

It's gotta be one of my favs. Nasty is hilarious. I don't know which is better, him being misquoted as saying "we're bigger than rod." and responding, by saying "you reporters are all daft, but i guess i'll get in trouble for saying that too"

or the classic:"I'd like to own a squadron of tanks." in a bad liverpool accent.
Nice to see old rubber lips Jagger doing a cameo as himself.
The music by Neil Innes is pretty groovey too.

[antony]

Nice to see old rubber lips Jagger doing a cameo as himself.
The music by Neil Innes is pretty groovey too.

don't forget his ex-wife.

[candy]

[quote=HistoryofMadness;45307]every hurrah is the last hurrah.

tapering is an excuse to use more dope, and it never works from what I've seen, and it only stretches out WD for another day.

having said that, get rid of the pills if you can, and use the subutex after a few days, and I swear it will help then, when you're in the thick of it, but again its just putting off the hard part...

that's all only if you REALLY want to stop.[/quote


HoM, I think really said it best. Tapering is difficult. I myself would never be able to do a taper with all those pills at home to use. Pills never were my thing, but if you are really serious about getting off of the opiates I would get rid of the pills and go with the Bupe. You may want to look into getting in to see a doc and getting yourself a script.

Better to be covered than getting to a point where you are still experiencing some w/d. It's what I would suggest and do myself. If you can afford the visit and f/u's with the doc.

I would make a go of it if you can, but dump the pills and get yourself a script for Bupe. If your serious about quitting that may be your best bet.

[hovadagod]

Tried bupe. Didn;t take the cravings till I was at 24mg/day. That was WAAAAYYYY more opi's than I was on pre-bupe. Didn't want a long slow WD so didn't want to WD from Bupe. So now I'm trying to do it with hydro and get low enough to take the .1mg/ml liquid that I MADE. It is in alcohol. 2mg is a huge amount of bupe to be the lowest available dose.

I also made the transdermal spray. I didn't like the high doses that were accessable so I limited it by making transdermal spray and sublingual drops. I plan on getting from 200mg hydro to 7.5mg hydro over 30-40 days or so by dropping 10 mg per day and 5 per day at the end. Then I'll use the bupe drops or imodium to keep wd's at bay. Then over break, CT if it is CT. Hope it won't be. But after that I have REVIA which I plan on taking only 1/4th of per day due to liver harm.

I made all the bupe preparations I spoke of to decrease dosage. Also, nobody craves transdermal bupe that takes 12 hours to enter the blood. So that could work. But I've made a chart on how much hydro I can take per day and I plan on sticking to it. I am working out a lot to try and stay busy when I'm not working and my adderall script really helps focus elsewhere. Hence the reason I'm signing off. I'm too focused on this board due to the 25 XR I took. Later.

[vaxn8]

Cool idea with the drops and spray. I didn't think I'd ever heard of or seen that before! Good luck with your plan, I hope it works. It really sounds like it might be kind of rough. Have you thought of taking a bigger inital drop, staying at a lower dose for several days then doing another bigger (larger than 10mg) drop and staying there? Usually, you can decrease 10-20% with little to no discomfort, stabilize on that then repeat. Most docs will taper that way, a 10-20% decrease stay at that dose 7-14 days, repeat.

The spray and sublingual bupe is really interesting, hope it works out for ya!