Help with appetite

[chemboy7]

So I have been quite the booze-hound lately. It really is staggering how much I have been drinking. I'm finding more and more that that is not good on my stomach. I'm usually not sick, it's just really difficult to eat. I have no appetite at all and when I try to eat I take a few bites and stop. I haven't eaten anything but a handful of cashews in 4, maybe 5 days. I would think the 15-20 beers I drink a day should provide all the calories my body burns... but no, I've lost around 20 pounds since I started drinking heavy. I've heard that living on beer and not eating is really bad for your liver though. To be honest, I would stick to just drinking whiskey, but I think I should throw beer in there if I'm not going to be eating.

My question is, other than stopping my drinking, is there anything I can do to get my appetite back? I smoke pot frequently, but it doesn't seem to help. Neither does coating my stomach with Pepto. I can't afford to lose anymore weight.

[nick]

Trust me,bro........drinking just whiskey is NOT the answer.

There are some pretty good dietry supplement shakes available,but for ease of use and taste I always ate a lot of ice cream and cereal.Anything easy to swallow and highly calorific.
My personal fav was the pie shake-throw large slice of pie/cake(cherry works well) in a blender with milk and ice cream,blitz and drink.
You gotta know this is just short termism,drinking heavily isn't sustainable and most definitely will fuck you up.
Much luck "eating" and more importantly getting a handle on the drinking.

[Fat Pie]

Boozing in any form'll increase weight. To me, staying thin is simply about timing between meals (might also be metabolism related). Have never gone past 10 stone despite eating KFC every day; probably damaging me elsewhere, but I've never piled on the pounds (or the stone; I was never a big eater as a child, too picky, might've had an undiagnosed weight problem; not anorexia or anything, just a general aversion to certain foods and a lack of appetite overall; fine now though). For a snack, I usually eat cereal; fills me up good.

[Chipper]

The off-label application for the drug I take (Zyprexa) is to make people hungry ... a small amount of alcohol can act as a tonic but please get off the booze - no good comes from it - every drink does you harm, despite it's powerful (it actually pickles your organs and brain) but not reliable therapeutic effect because of the way it disconnects you from reality.

Too much pot also trashes your appetite.

The drinking will subside once you find your way. At least have a HUGE and nutritious breakfast - that can kick-start your appetite and metabolism too.

[chemboy7]

I have a bunch of Prednisone... which definitely makes you hungry and helps put on weight. I have reservations about using it with this much alcohol though. I'm not worried about looking too skinny (I actually dig the emaciated junky look)... I know this can't be healthy though.

[hiding_here]

For different reasons, I really understand the not being able to eat thing. It's not that your sick, it's just that food is just so damn unappetizing right? This is what you really need to do. Every single time you get a beer grab a handful of SOMETHING. The best is something with protein and fat. Like you said cashews? That's great. A typical handful of cashews has about 160 calories. You said your drinking 15-20 beers/day so if you grabbed a handful before each beer, there alone you'd be bringing in 2400 calories. If you could find a kind of ready made protein type drink like say Muscle Milk or even Carnation Instant breakfast that would also help. I'm not suggesting this as a long term solution but for now, it should keep you from dropping the pounds and hopefully add some. Then when you get more used to eating again you add more items. Trust me, I have A LOT of experience in this area and would be glad to offer you advice on how to get yourself eating again. You just really have to be strict about not having a beer until you've eaten that handful of whatever it is. Good luck!

[SeVeN]

Extended prednisone use can lead to some seriously nasty G I tract issues.

I go with what Nick said, High calorie weight shakes are easy to go down and provide a decent amount of calories.

[PaininAlabama]

I would say Xanax, we were just talking elsewhere on here about how the benzo's but especially xanax gives a huge case of munchies. But with your alcohol intake I can't recommend it. That would be a dangerous suggestion. But if you reduce your alc. intake that may be a "little helper". Best of luck, eat well...well just eat ;) .

(*about the shakes, my mother tried to get me to drink those after my accident as I had/have no appetite since my GI surgery, and I recommend if you go that route CHUG those suckers. I couldn't stomach them personally.* )

[chemboy7]

I would say Xanax, we were just talking elsewhere on here about how the benzo's but especially xanax gives a huge case of munchies. But with your alcohol intake I can't recommend it. That would be a dangerous suggestion. But if you reduce your alc. intake that may be a "little helper". Best of luck, eat well...well just eat ;) .

Might be an alright idea, but I can't take benzos... dependance and all.

I actually like the ice cream/protein shake idea quite a bit. Liquids seem much more palatable than solid food.

I'm thinking juice may be good also. I got a bunch of berry juice. I read the carton though, and it's basically just flavored pear juice. I feel lied to.

I may start drinking wine too. There is more alcohol than beer and it's made with fruit.

[GOLD N DIEMONDS]

Hey Chem, first be careful with the Predisone. I should be taken on a tapered schdule like 5X / day for several days then 4x/days for several days. It powerful and basically shuts down part of your immunity system.

As to what to eat ,well as long as your in drinking mode, grab a bunch of 6 packs of BOOST or wallgreens has their generic version each bottle is 250-300 calories, with protien Vits., etc. AND IS SO FUCKING EASY TO SWALLOW.
also GATORADE WOULD BE GOOD, if you have been drinking alot you probably are getting dehydrated which is where
that rapid weight loss comes in.
Srsly man, give Boost a try, you can drink a 6 pack a day withOUT effort and get all need calories, and the good stuff.

G' luck buddy

[candy]

I am not sure how long you have been drinking, but loss of appetite is not a good sign, especially if you have been drinking heavy for long periods of time. I think your liver is telling you something and as a nurse, I would recommend that you try the best you can to decrease your alcohol intake and try eating small nutritious meals throughout the day.

I am not really familiar with your drugs of choice or ROA, but if you have been an injector at one time, maybe look into getting tested for Hep C if you have not already. And if you have, it is always a good idea to get tested again just to be sure.

And taking prednisone to increase your appetite is not a good idea and I would not recommend it to anyone.
Small frequent meals, decrease your alcohol intake, and get some lab work done if you can.

Sure, alcohol is high in calories, but when you are experiencing a loss in appetite and weight, something more sinister can be going on and getting control of it now, before it becomes much worse, is the best thing to do.

If I can be of help in anyway or you have some health concerns, myself and Jill are around.

[chemboy7]

I am not sure how long you have been drinking, but loss of appetite is not a good sign, especially if you have been drinking heavy for long periods of time. I think your liver is telling you something and as a nurse, I would recommend that you try the best you can to decrease your alcohol intake and try eating small nutritious meals throughout the day.

I am not really familiar with your drugs of choice or ROA, but if you have been an injector at one time, maybe look into getting tested for Hep C if you have not already. And if you have, it is always a good idea to get tested again just to be sure.

And taking prednisone to increase your appetite is not a good idea and I would not recommend it to anyone.
Small frequent meals, decrease your alcohol intake, and get some lab work done if you can.

Sure, alcohol is high in calories, but when you are experiencing a loss in appetite and weight, something more sinister can be going on and getting control of it now, before it becomes much worse, is the best thing to do.

If I can be of help in anyway or you have some health concerns, myself and Jill are around.

Being a bit of a slut, I get tested often... I'm clean. I actually hadn't thought that there may already be something wrong with my liver. Would I not notice yellowing of the eyes and skin if that was the case?

[jill]

Yellowing of the eyes and skin usually comes quite a bit later in liver damage. Sounds like you know what to do for the most part and candy gave you good adivive...yoou just need to do it.

I don't even know what dose of pred you are talking about, but it's a bad idea all around. It needs a careful taper up and down schedule and it also raises your BP and blood glucose...along with some serious roid rage in most people. Don't take any prednisone, not a good idea all the way around.

[justdavid]

So I have been quite the booze-hound lately. It really is staggering how much I have been drinking. I'm finding more and more that that is not good on my stomach. I'm usually not sick, it's just really difficult to eat. I have no appetite at all and when I try to eat I take a few bites and stop. I haven't eaten anything but a handful of cashews in 4, maybe 5 days. I would think the 15-20 beers I drink a day should provide all the calories my body burns... but no, I've lost around 20 pounds since I started drinking heavy. I've heard that living on beer and not eating is really bad for your liver though. To be honest, I would stick to just drinking whiskey, but I think I should throw beer in there if I'm not going to be eating.

My question is, other than stopping my drinking, is there anything I can do to get my appetite back? I smoke pot frequently, but it doesn't seem to help. Neither does coating my stomach with Pepto. I can't afford to lose anymore weight.

Alchie is 7cals per gram then you got the carnal from the beer at 4 per. Your false are probaly decent but after you factor the catabolic effects the abuse is having nothing will negate it.


Hunger increase is out of the question... You'll die a staggering 35lbs, how tall are you again? I'm kidding but focusing on calorie dense foods is your best option. Nuts is a good start but your not hungry. Your becoming a raging alchie so you may be thirsty. Smoothies smoothies and more smoothies. Get vitamins minerals and calories all right there.


Yah I rambled... So what? I could help a lot more if i knew the beer your drinking as well as height weight age and how long it took to lose them 20lbs.

Livers bad but is be thinking of me kidneys if i were you too.

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Boozing in any form'll increase weight. To me, staying thin is simply about timing between meals (might also be metabolism related). Have never gone past 10 stone despite eating KFC every day; probably damaging me elsewhere, but I've never piled on the pounds (or the stone; I was never a big eater as a child, too picky, might've had an undiagnosed weight problem; not anorexia or anything, just a general aversion to certain foods and a lack of appetite overall; fine now though). For a snack, I usually eat cereal; fills me up good.


10 stone. When you go to the doc does he have you stand on a 3beam?

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Yellowing of the eyes and skin usually comes quite a bit later in liver damage. Sounds like you know what to do for the most part and candy gave you good adivive...yoou just need to do it.

I don't even know what dose of pred you are talking about, but it's a bad idea all around. It needs a careful taper up and down schedule and it also raises your BP and blood glucose...along with some serious roid rage in most people. Don't take any prednisone, not a good idea all the way around.

Agree with everything but the roid rage. There's no conclusive evidence roid rage exist. Studies suggest men with low test will be more ragey then men jacked on supraphysilogocal doses of anabolic androgenic steroids.

Regardless isn't pred a corticosteroid resembling cortisol not testosterone?

[chemboy7]

I'm 5ft 8in and now weigh about 135lbs and just under 30 years old. Took me about 3 months to drop the 20lbs... that sounds about right anyways, I didn't notice it right away. I've been drinking Milwaukee's Best Ice and Canadian Mist whiskey... primarily.

[justdavid]

Might be an alright idea, but I can't take benzos... dependance and all.

I actually like the ice cream/protein shake idea quite a bit. Liquids seem much more palatable than solid food.

I'm thinking juice may be good also. I got a bunch of berry juice. I read the carton though, and it's basically just flavored pear juice. I feel lied to.

I may start drinking wine too. There is more alcohol than beer and it's made with fruit.

Beer for wine is a bad trade off... Dope for mmt? Wine has antioxidants in it at least. Then again if your beer choice is homemade or a craft the yeast residents are full of good stuff.


Alcohol, more so beer, may be a bad idea with dairy. Too acidic and run a risk of curdling in the belly... Pukey beer flavored warm cottage cheese... Yummy.

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I'm 5ft 8in and now weigh about 135lbs and just under 30 years old. Took me about 3 months to drop the 20lbs... that sounds about right anyways, I didn't notice it right away. I've been drinking Milwaukee's Best Ice and Canadian Mist whiskey... primarily.

I love beast ice.

Using basic weight loss math, your calorie deficit is 778calories a day under maintenance to lose 20lbs in 90 days. Would seem easy enough to add 800calories into your diet each day bit the drinking and possible body damnage means weight loss could be caused from other stuff. Drinking surpresses testosterone and increases cortisol top that with the pred and that's a double whammy of catabolic issues. Muscle wasting, increase in body fat... Whole thing.

[GOLD N DIEMONDS]

Agree with everything but the roid rage. There's no conclusive evidence roid rage exist. Studies suggest men with low test will be more ragey then men jacked on supraphysilogocal doses of anabolic androgenic steroids.

Regardless isn't pred a corticosteroid resembling cortisol not testosterone?

YUP - Predisone has absolutely NOTHING to do with ANABOLIC STEROIDS, And 'Roid Rage is a MYTH, urban legend etc. It 's simply that x% of guys are completely assholes. Well take that percentage and put them on 'roids and they are complete assholes with muscles, low self stem, trying to 'prove' something.

Booze on the other hand is the most common cause for physical & mental outbreaks and fighting behavior- THEE OLD LIQUOR MUSCLE'

Predisone and corticosteroids in high dose can cause a hyper 'SPEEDY effect in some, which is nothing like 'roid rage

STEROIDS , just like opiates and heroin all have the UNTRUE MYTHS, funny how many supposedly open minded junkies buy into the mainstream FALSE myths of other chemical.


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[Fat Pie]

10 stone. When you go to the doc does he have you stand on a 3beam?

We use stone here in the UK, even on electric scales (there is a kg switch on my one though).

[LorTabitha]

You mentioned stomach issues. I've found that a proton-pump inhibitor such as prilosec or prevacid help me a LOT when my stomach is acting up. I actually take prevacid in the morning and a pepcid before bed & they definitely help.

Also, you might try eating foods that coat your stomach a little more than nuts or juice. Both will aggravate your stomach and make it even harder to eat.

[Flowergirl]

Both Ensure Plus and Boost Plus have more calories than the regular versions. The strawberry flavors of both I kinda like, but chocolate and vanilla are foul to me. Vanilla is barely the more downable of the 2. They're costly, though, but a great way to get some nourishment and calories into you quickly without having to down a full balanced meal. When I'm making a real effort, I'll drink 2 or 3 every day, but my problem isn't appetite, it's that I'm a fucking hog yet I don't keep weight on. When I'm not drinking those, I down a serious amount of cappuccino made with whole milk. Oink.

[chemboy7]

I feel like we have covered a lot of ground here... many good ideas. I thank everyone for their advice.

Just one more question though. I have decided it is a good idea to go have some bloodwork done. Making the appointment tomorrow. I'd really prefer to do this without admitting to my vices. My current doctor is a judgmental asshole who already despises me. Is this wise? I'm sure it's a better idea to have full disclosure... but I really don't want to.

[justdavid]

YUP - Predisone has absolutely NOTHING to do with ANABOLIC STEROIDS, And 'Roid Rage is a MYTH, urban legend etc. It 's simply that x% of guys are completely assholes. Well take that percentage and put them on 'roids and they are complete assholes with muscles, low self stem, trying to 'prove' something.

Booze on the other hand is the most common cause for physical & mental outbreaks and fighting behavior- THEE OLD LIQUOR MUSCLE'

Predisone and corticosteroids in high dose can cause a hyper 'SPEEDY effect in some, which is nothing like 'roid rage

STEROIDS , just like opiates and heroin all have the UNTRUE MYTHS, funny how many supposedly open minded junkies buy into the mainstream FALSE myths of other chemical.


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If your an asshole at 150lbs you'll be a bigger one at 230lbs. Coming from a ex bodybuilder and juicer. Most of us have an issue and we make up for low self esteem by building ego so that's another reason for the assholes.

Sorry if this doesn't make sense, haven't reefed in a year and I'm blitzed from bc bud.

[Fat Pie]

Our last experience with a 'roid user was a bad one...

[candy]

I feel like we have covered a lot of ground here... many good ideas. I thank everyone for their advice.

Just one more question though. I have decided it is a good idea to go have some bloodwork done. Making the appointment tomorrow. I'd really prefer to do this without admitting to my vices. My current doctor is a judgmental asshole who already despises me. Is this wise? I'm sure it's a better idea to have full disclosure... but I really don't want to.

I can certainly understand not wanting to disclose your drinking. Maybe just go in and let your doc know that you have not been feeling well, loss of appetite, headache, stomach upset. Let him know how you have been feeling, but leave out the drinking if you are not comfortable disclosing that info. See if that can get you some labs drawn.

[justdavid]

Our last experience with a 'roid user was a bad one...



I don't use a lot of roids. I stock to the ghrp and ghrh research peptides... Maybe some mt2 or clen as needed. I'll be running ghrp2 and cjc1295 with a dose of clen soon. I'd run some t chemicals but their so fucking catabolic and i don't want to be bothered securing testosterone. If I run test I'd have to buy some anti aromatize agents and rebound agents too...

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I don't use a lot of roids. I stock to the ghrp and ghrh research peptides... Maybe some mt2 or clen as needed. I'll be running ghrp2 and cjc1295 with a dose of clen soon. I'd run some t chemicals but their so fucking catabolic and i don't want to be bothered securing testosterone. If I run test I'd have to buy some anti aromatize agents and rebound agents too...



Op, I don't know about full disclosure but partial would help. Not too mention when Ur liver comes up fuckered you'll have to explain why. There were some appetite enhancing supplements for a few years. You could look into ghrp6 known for causing hunger pains that's how Much hunger it stimulates. Plus you get some added boost in hgh lvls which would cause hyperplasia and increase muscle. It subq or I'm injections 2 times daily.

[Fat Pie]

I don't use a lot of roids. I stock to the ghrp and ghrh research peptides... Maybe some mt2 or clen as needed. I'll be running ghrp2 and cjc1295 with a dose of clen soon. I'd run some t chemicals but their so fucking catabolic and i don't want to be bothered securing testosterone. If I run test I'd have to buy some anti aromatize agents and rebound agents too...[COLOR="blue"]

Wasn't looking to bash you, just an incident that happened a long time ago.

[ryan5892]

try omeprazole, if ur problem is acid it REALLY DOES work.

EDIT: I'm pretty sure there is an OTC version also.

[Lopossum]

Half a shot of Jager is a cure-all for digestion-related issues, maybe it will help you with your appetite? Worth a shot... (pun fully intended)

[dharma bum]

Dude, look into Remeron for increases appetite. It WILL make you hungry. Only problem is it makes you sleepy at first and I'm sure alcohol makes it worse. It's prescribed for anxiety, panic attacks, and off label for anorexia.

[Snoops]

Benzos in general, make me have an appetite.
I find though, that upon cessation, I become such a Wino.

I like to keep stock of my Chianti, and if it's poorsville. Gimme some Cold Duck or Barefoot. It is usually around 5-7 bux a bottle in my neck of the woods.

I used to keep a bottle of Johnny Walker Red in my sock drawer, upon waking. Glug glug glug.... But then I kept waking up in strangers homes, or in jail. Or both, consecutive.

I hate how many beers it takes to get there... And I prefer the vino for it's warm glow.
Liquor and beer tends to make me violent, and I'm too old (i think) to be fuckin' scrappin out in the streets.

I'm experiencing the same kinda problem for the past 10 days or so, but then again, I jumped off a pretty hefty benzo habit with a rugged taper. So I'm not surprised that my nervous system and appetite is shot to shit.