First Time China white, what ROA?

[Digitopium]

Hello, folks. So, all of this is about SWIM, for the record. They are typically an Oxy person, dont use H at all really. Mainly because the west coast is saturated with crappy acid-bathed tar that makes you feel like shit. Nothing like a highly desire-able, clean, pure, fast acting opiate high. Thus the oxy. Typical ROA (route of administration) for this user was insufflating (sniff sniff), until they discovered the overwhelming strength and beautifully potent come up of mixing ground up 80s with hot water and sticking a needle-less syringe where the sun dont shine (browning). (they)Have never been a needle user, and never will, so please dont suggest. However, would browning in a relatively small dose be a good use of the china white? Should they just smoke it with some prepped foil? Up the nose? Assuming this is high quality, pure shit, which there is no doubt it will be....what would be an appropriate dose for a person with a tolerance of 160 mg of Oxy (that being the amount it takes administered analy to produce a damn good, noddy high for the user)? What would be an appropriate amount to buy, based on the tolerance level/dosage amount. 1 gram maybe? Also, can I get a shout out of what people normally pay for a gram of the finest china white? This is in all seriousness here.

And please no patronizing. This is not the fucking "I wanna shoot me some dope down here in Naaawlins" Kid. This is a responsible user who wishes to experiment with a new level of high. They have smoked fent from patches (thus know how to handle dangerous substances), and know what they are getting into. Any advice would be greatly appreciated. Thanks folks.:cool:

[CUBErt]

They should hit up the other So Cal residents, thats what they should do. ;)

EDIT: Sorry I'm not giving anyone good help these days, but if I, normally a smoker, got China White I would try snorting a very modest line first and take it from there. When the full effects kicked in, if that was enough I'd kick back and enjoy the fact that a gram would last a while. If it was good but still not quite there I would sprinkle some on foil and try hitting it that way. Experiment, my good man. Variety is the spice of life

[vaxn8]

Are you saying you think you have pure fentanyl? If so a dose foir a totally naive person would be 100 micrograms or less. I would be really surprised if you could get a gram of it pure, but if you did, 1 gram would equal 1,000,000 micrograms which is 10,000 - one hundred microgram doses, that's a hell of a lot. fentanyl doses are almost always going to be in micrograms. I did use it iv for quite awhile and never got higher than a mg, and that would kill most people i.v. If this is coming from the streets and you have no idea of the fent concentration or %, it's going to be really tough to calculate dose, which is why I'm not converting it for you. My only suggestion is start low and do it slow (no matter where you stick it).

[Digitopium]

No one has said it is pure fent. It is what one would acquire if one was obtaining high quality china white. Like a super legit connect....the type of shit that would go around among select circles....not uncut straight from drone 348's lab shit or anything;)

So like what goes around? How cut IS good quality china white anyway. I know what fent doses are from using patches...dealing in mics and not milligrams, I know this. But a gram of pure fent would be ass kicking, death dealing muthafucking shit. But thats not the potency that your average user would be able to buy anyway is it? I guess what I am asking is how cut is the shit usually to be tame enough for normal dosage and sale, so as not to kill whoever fucking buys it.

[vaxn8]

That's the whole problem Dig, there isn't an "averge" fent conc for china white. It's going to vary a lot and a 10% difference in concentration can make a massive difference.
I can only tell you what I would do with an unknown concentration that I believed to contain fent. First, I would divide it into 10 equal piles or with a scale measure 100 mg (1/10) of the total. I would start out assuming it was 100%, obviously it's not likely to be this, but you just don't have much room for error. If using a scale, I would also scale down the numbers I am using in this example, but without one I would not try to guess the weight of this unknown.
So, I now have my 100 mg pile, I would dissolve this in 100 ml saline (or whatever you use- water)- this gives a theoretical 1mg/ml solution. If you were going totally oral with the administration, I would try 200 microliters (or 0.2 ml or 20 units in an insulin syringe) to start and titrate from there. Even if it is 100%, 200 ul would be safe orally.
Since you mention pr use- I would further dilute that solution in the following way. The pr dose is going to be much closer to the iv dose, a little lower but you are getting very close to what you would try if you were talking about iv use. In the case of fent, it is more lipophilic than the other opiates, it likes fat and easily gets into it. There's usually more fat cells and lipophilic environments in this area- compared to po dosing- that's why it works so well as a transdermal drug. I would take 1 ml of my diluted solution from above (the 1 mg/ml stuff) and add 9 ml saline or water which would give 0.1 mg/ml or 100 ug/ml. Again, if it did happen to be 100%, you would be safe taking a whole ml, which would be 100 micrograms. Depending on your response to that, you could go up accordingly.
Obviously, you want to minimize the amount you use to get the dosing correct but also want to be a little more cautious than you would be with a weaker drug. If I had a gram, I wouldn't want to waste a tenth of it doing this, but not knowing the concentration it's what I would do. Well, i'd really just stick it in the GC, but I'm guessing that's not an option. If you can measure it accurately (with a scale) you could easily half the original 100 mg, or even decrease further depending on the accuracy of the scale.
If you don't understand how anything was calculated, feel free to ask. In the case of fent, I would much rather explain more than I have to than less and have someone miscalculate and OD.
** one final thought or comment- fent is the only drug that I have done iv and have come to with the needle still in my arm, kinda scary and I knew exactly what concentration i was dealing with

[devilsdrug]

the china white of old was not fent as others would have u believe it really was what it says and i paid 500 $ a gram the highest dosage was .1 , a tenth and thats a whopper shot

[vaxn8]

Hey DD, cool to hear about the old style china. That was part of why I was aksing the OP if he was thinking it was fent or what he thought would be in there. When you say a tenth was a big shot, were you able to shoot a tenth of the old stuff at one time? Was is worth the price/g? I think it's cool hearing about how stuff used to be done, history ya know?

[devilsdrug]

i would do the shot and have to sit down lay down for a while , it has a way different call because of the ether base u get this ether vapor light headed rush deal goin , i wasbad enough at one time i d do 4 to 5 of those a day , it was my bizz, i could go thru backyard across creek to the main guy , he made everybody go thru me for the safety facter no real traffic any way gram = 500$ .1 gram =100$ my fee was either a tenth or 100$, and of course peeps could do what they wanted it was not uncommon for anther tenth or so of cut to be added. ect ect , this should be in the find thread , but i use to find tenths or 100$ bill in between my t shirts on days when things werent right that sure came in handy , i had totally forgot in the haze of being so fukked up which i was all the timeedit the white in this particular time period came from merchant marine who smuggled large amounts

[Digitopium]

Hey Vaxn8, thanks for the thoughtfull reply. I will definately tell SWIM to start with a small dose and titrate upwards, no matter what ROA they choose. I will post what SWIM finds out about content/potency. I hear you DD...china white used to be non-synthetic, highly refined material that was made from a poppy precursor. I dont think what SWIM is looking at is going to cost quite that much, but I think it will definately be an investment, and one worth making at that. No doubt though this person will try a PR dose just because of the wickid come-up it provides versus any other ROA short of IV, according to them. Gee, I hope they will maybe share with me....:D

Wish I had some erlinmyer flasks, burets, beakers, a hot plate w/ stirring magnet....My girlfriend would be like WTF?!?!??!?? though, since I am typically on bupe....

maybe next time I am single I will geek out on chem gear and end up killing myself swallowing shit I try and make. That is, perhaps, the real reason I dont have any of that shit. I would go out and try and get some nightshade to make my own china white. And probably die or barf alot. and then die.

Peace out

[Digitopium]

i would do the shot and have to sit down lay down for a while , it has a way different call because of the ether base u get this ether vapor light headed rush deal goin , i wasbad enough at one time i d do 4 to 5 of those a day , it was my bizz, i could go thru backyard across creek to the main guy , he made everybody go thru me for the safety facter no real traffic any way gram = 500$ .1 gram =100$ my fee was either a tenth or 100$, and of course peeps could do what they wanted it was not uncommon for anther tenth or so of cut to be added. ect ect , this should be in the find thread , but i use to find tenths or 100$ bill in between my t shirts on days when things werent right that sure came in handy , i had totally forgot in the haze of being so fukked up which i was all the timeedit the white in this particular time period came from merchant marine who smuggled large amounts


Fucking gnarly man......

[vaxn8]

Wow DD, what a connect! I can't even imagine what I would be like if I had something like that going on! Pretty cool to hear about. If you even want to share a drawer- I've got some spare room in my t-shirt drawer that I would glady share with ya! ;)

Dig- glad you're going to be careful with it. Definitely not something ya want to find out that you got lucky and had 100% pure and wasn't expecting it. When I was using it that way, the shots were crazy small. At the dose I had 10 or 20 units was a ton. I'm more used to and more commonly use a 3cc syringe, so it was odd for me.

While I haven't done pr myself, I admit it makes me curious when people compare it to iv. It certainly sounds easier than finding a vein some days! I don't know if I could do it though. I have no problem sticking a needle in my vein, but in the ass?? It is a good thing to keep in mind when you really need to get something in you fast and are having probs with the veins. Especially when sick, I get dehydrated and that makes the veins tougher to hit. For some reason though, I never think about it at a time like that.

[nick]

Down want to be a downer here,but China white gets cut to.Just because it's a pretty pure white doesn't mean it hasn't been cut.Obviously you should take great care.
From personal experience White has a good hit but had no legs.For efficiency I'd rather have Afghan Brown No2.
P.S.I keep saying it DD you should really write.You have lived through an amazing period.I believe this type of literature is called social commentary and now days you can make some big money writing it.

[Digitopium]

Wow DD, what a connect! I can't even imagine what I would be like if I had something like that going on! Pretty cool to hear about. If you even want to share a drawer- I've got some spare room in my t-shirt drawer that I would glady share with ya! ;)
Dig- glad you're going to be careful with it. Definitely not something ya want to find out that you got lucky and had 100% pure and wasn't expecting it. When I was using it that way, the shots were crazy small. At the dose I had 10 or 20 units was a ton. I'm more used to and more commonly use a 3cc syringe, so it was odd for me.
While I haven't done pr myself, I admit it makes me curious when people compare it to iv. It certainly sounds easier than finding a vein some days! I don't know if I could do it though. I have no problem sticking a needle in my vein, but in the ass?? It is a good thing to keep in mind when you really need to get something in you fast and are having probs with the veins. Especially when sick, I get dehydrated and that makes the veins tougher to hit. For some reason though, I never think about it at a time like that.

Yeah, to be honest, though there are some drawbacks to PR/plugging/browning (need MORE privacy than IV, need to remain horizontal for a half hour to let the solution absorb into your colon, not exactly the way to get high around others (Geez:o ), you have to get used to putting something up your own ass alot, and after you do it, your fingers and rig stink like shit)...once you get over these annoying yet easily overcome factors browning is a really viable way to get the most out of your opiates, especially pharmies. From what I have read, it is no easy or peril-less chore to cook up and IV an OC 80. It is easy AS FUCK to smash that shit into a fine powder in a shot glass and put some near boiling water on the powder then suck up in a needle-less rig. I mean, who in thier right mind thinks it is a good idea to inject TALC into your bloodstream? My father got skin cancer from nearly a lifetime of using talcum powder on his balls! This is why it was replaced with cornstarch! I say if you want to get the most out of an 80 or two or three at once, PR is the best way to go....seriously the come up is a slow and SUPER warm fuzzy glowing feeling that insuflating and chewing cannot even touch in terms of pure euphoria.

No doubt some asshole will say I just like sticking things up my ass, but I'm not the type that will ever poke needles in my veins going for broke and shit...so Vaxn8, I would really check it out if I were you. Cut down on the dangers, health risks, stigma, scars, pain, constant need for needles (you can just wash your PR rig thouroughly every time and re-use). Plus you can read or play Xbox (the latter being my personal come up activity favorite).

Anyway, dont knock it till you try it. I got turned onto that ROA from a "browning guide" thread over in the morphine section....search it up.

Thanks for the input guys. I will follow up with a quality report from SWIM.

[vaxn8]

OK, this may be a dumb question but does it "fall out" if you don't lay still for the half hour, that would be freaky. I think if i tried it, it would have to be a one time use syringe, I just couldn't deal with the wash! I wouldn't knock it until I tried it, then I might if it was too freaky for me. Who knows one of these days I may get curious enough????

[nick]

Once you've IV/ed dope that's it.All down hill to the graveyard.

[CUBErt]

Dunno if it "falls out" it just messes up the absorbtion I think, since the clusters of veins are on the sides you gotta lie there and let it seep down into them.

And cool stories DD :cool:

[LayinLow]

Once you've IV/ed dope that's it.All down hill to the graveyard.
very true... but dont you love it? ;-)

[Digitopium]

OK, this may be a dumb question but does it "fall out" if you don't lay still for the half hour, that would be freaky. I think if i tried it, it would have to be a one time use syringe, I just couldn't deal with the wash! I wouldn't knock it until I tried it, then I might if it was too freaky for me. Who knows one of these days I may get curious enough????

DONT YOU KNOW MAN!!! Your asshole is airtight! And water tight for that matter. Otherwise when you went to the beach and swam in the ocean you would get a salt water colonic! Typically after 10 minutes or so it seems as if all the water you injected with the pills mixed in partially in solution seems to have mostly absorbed. Thats why its funny that you have to lay there for awhile, but that really seems to be what it takes to get it all absorbed. I have tried to just do it and get in the car 5 minutes later and go somewhere and I didnt nearly feel the effect I did from lying down for a propper amount of time. Go get yourself like a little medicine injecting dealie for puppies...thats what I use, as you can put, gosh, a couple hundred CCs of water(I think?) which is what it takes to get more than 1 80 in there. Yeah I dont ever want to fuck with the needles. Not dissin those that do cuz I know there is plenty, but hey at least I save myself from the above mentioned downhill slide to the graveyard! :cool:

[HistoryofMadness]

before i knew what i was doing i used to get this pure white shit. i had a pretty bad pharmy habit, IV of course, and for some stupid-ass reason I really thought I could take a decent hit, one that only ran me about $20, and i swear i almost bit it that day.

but i don't think it was china, unless it was cut all to shit, but it was fuckin good.

then the tan shit started coming around and it just didn't crank the old tractor, but occasionally i'd get the white shit again and holy shit...

i guess that was just regular old columbian shit or something?

[Digitopium]

Just in case anybody gives a fuck, I wanted to post a little update. Albiet a dissapointing one, but an update nonetheless. So SWIM has thier name on the waiting list for the white, but apparently the source hardly has thier shit together, as I can understand if they have any type of fent habit with limitless supply. So I will start a new post about china white in contemporary california when it happens, but until then, people are welcome to throw disparaging remarks at me. I am a firm believer in the platitudes taught in "Everything I need to know I learned in Kindergarten". Always share when life has been good to you ;)

Speaking of limitless supply: Historical fact - "Domino" Harvey, the bounty hunter died of a fentanyl overdose in a hotel bath tub. They dont cover that in that Hollywood abomination "Domino" with Christopher Walken (probably the WORST movie he has ever had a cameo in...).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domino_Harvey

I like how they say that fentanyl is used to dope up elephants. Obviously some strong ass sheeeeet.

[dorje]

I had China White China White in Tucson. It was from Vietnam son and it was the best dope I ever shot. Normal Tucson was a gram of brown for $20 This guy comes to my house with these little bindles of white for $10. I was reluctant. Bought one, did one. Bought everything he had-Primo heroin. Probably came over in a body bag

[halfalien_s4]

the fentanyl used to dope up elephants is called carfentanyl.....its about 1000 times more potentent then fentanyls analogue afentanyl.....it will kill a human upon consumption.

[Digitopium]

Mr. Drug Action Hero (yours truly) would still probably dose up on that carfentanyl shit, literally ONE GRAIN at a time. heh. Seriously though, there has to be a threshold beneath which intoxication can be obtained, an amount clearly short of being a lethal dose....

Somebody told OJ and whoever else to pick some of that shit up if they robbed the local animal hospital...

If they are dumb enough to knock off a vet, they deserve to die with the needle still in thier arm(s) from some super intense fent analogue.

Nobody wants to talk about the carpet-munching bounty hunter from SoCal who O.D.-ed on Fent? I mean shit...Bounty hunters and those who legally deal death to the cleverest of the criminal elements out there (those able to ellude regular law enforcement), are really only a few social layers away from those who they collect bounties on. Think about it. They carry automatic weapons, move narcotics and take all the bribes they can get...be it in cash or ounces of the finest china white....

The part of me who likes the risk taking involved with obtaining opiates and using them is jealous of those who skate the edges of life and death, legal and illegal, sober and extremely high....:cool:

ANY TAKERS? Lets start a dope-head bounty squad....all in the name of taking bribes in the finest quality dope on offer worldwide!!!