question for candy

[hero 1]

I got a question about talc woud it be visiable in the fluid drawn into the rig .I mean when swim does ocs
the liquid is as clear as water and i wanna know if there is still talc in it also wouldnt it go to the lungs also if snorted

[vaxn8]

Food grade talc is not soluble in either water or alcohol. You would most certainly ingest it by snorting though.

[vaxn8]

Hero- a few more things. While it isn't water soluble, it does get through filters as a solid and it's just not possible to see. If you are talking about shooting oxy's I know someone who went through a lot of this has written about it before, but if you are shooting them you are injecting talc and that will seriously damage your lungs. I'll see if I can find the post I'm thinking about.
this is the link i was talking about where they have anwered this question
http://forum.opiophile.org/showthread.php?t=3705

[candy]

Hero- Sorry I couldn't get back to ya sooner with your question. Been sick and just not feeling up to anything much the last few days.

Vaxn answered your question as best as I could. Filters are great, but they just cannot filter out the sediments left by pills. OC"s, or any kind of pill are just not made to be injected. Although the solution may be clear, very small particles are getting through and those particles can lodge in the very small capillaries in the lungs. While they may pass through larger vessels, once inside the smaller capillaries in the lungs, they can lodge. Over time, this leads to scarring and decreased circulation in those areas of the lungs. Snorting pills is a bit different and while the pills may be taken into the lungs, what is not absorbed by the mucous membranes, it most likely gets absorbed over time as it is broken down. Or it is passed out by the respiratory system by coughing and such. Most of it is absorbed in the mucous membranes.

I would be more concerned with injecting solids such as pills as opposed to snorting them.

Be well!

[LayinLow]

I think we should start paying Candy a few dollars per post because she helps us out so much around here. Hero 1 - you're first.... pay up!!

[candy]

I think we should start paying Candy a few dollars per post because she helps us out so much around here. Hero 1 - you're first.... pay up!!


That's sweet to say LL, thanks so much. The thought of knowing I am helping someone else is payment enough! I know that may sound crazy, but for whatever reason, I am just drawn back to this site day after day. And, I learn so much myself as well.

Just cannot seem to stay away!

[cig3f]

PLEASE READ, The Journal Nature, the world's foremost scientific authority speaks on intravenous administration of aqueous suspension of oral tablets

http://www.nature.com/modpathol/journal/v16/n4/full/3880760a.html

"Other less well-recognized tablet excipients that have injurious potential include magnesium stearate and siliciumoxid (silicon dioxide; 1 (http://www.nature.com/modpathol/journal/v16/n4/full/3880760a.html#bib1))."

Dilaudid Color Coded Tablets (for oral administration) containing:
2 mg hydromorphone hydrochloride (orange tablet) and D&C red #30 Lake dye, D&C yellow #10 Lake dye, lactose, and magnesium stearate.
4 mg hydromorphone hydrochloride (yellow tablet) and D&C yellow #10 Lake dye, lactose, and magnesium stearate.

"We reviewed the clinical data, autopsy protocols, and microscopic slides of the three subjects included in this study. A review of slides from all cases of fatal hydromorphone toxicity from 1985 to 2001 that were on file..."

"Embolized material seen in the lungs of all three patients was suspected to be crospovidone, a known constituent of certain preparations of hydromorphone tablets (Roxane Corp.). Two patients had been prescribed 4-mg hydromorphone tablets for pain management. "

"Particles present in the histologic sections of pure crospovidone powder resembled similar material in the wet preparation of the 4-mg hydromorphone tablet and were morphologically and histochemically similar to the particles in the lung."

"Upon microscopic examination, all three subjects demonstrated extensive pulmonary angiothrombosis and angiocentric foreign body granulomas associated with birefringent, rodlike crystals having the staining properties of microcrystalline cellulose (3 (http://www.nature.com/modpathol/journal/v16/n4/full/3880760a.html#bib3)). In addition to the cellulose particles, there were abundant, non-birefringent, deeply basophilic, irregular, coral-like structures measuring http://www.nature.com/__chars/less/special/le/black/med/base/glyph.gif100 http://www.nature.com/__chars/mu/black/med/base/glyph.gifm in maximum dimension."


FIGURE 1
Embolized Crospovidone (poly[N-vinyl-2-pyrrolidone]) in the Lungs of Intravenous Drug Users

Santhi Ganesan, Joseph Felo, Mario Saldana, Victor F. Kalasinsky, Michael R. Lewin-Smith and Joseph F. Tomashefski Jr

http://www.nature.com/modpathol/journal/v16/n4/images/3880760f1.jpg

CIG

[Duckfeet]

I know we shot up dilaudids for years, crushing them up between everything from clean paper, to raggedy dollar bills, then threw them in the rig, sucked up some water, shook'em up, and did'em. We never worried much about the yellow #4's which seemed to have less die, but the orange/pinkish #2's seemed to put a whole lot of crap in me I didn't need. Stories would float around, that, you know, they were bad for you, maybe some day you'd drop, and more cautious types would do them in spoons, heat them a bit, and then use a cotton, which in the '2s did seem to leave a lot of garbage in the spoon, but I never cared. I was always, like, in a hurry to get right, and what happened down the line wasn't a real concern.

Most people I know never worry about oxys, but I don't know the details on them, and I'm still bopping along from the D's.

[cig3f]

Duck,

I'm right there with you man, I have a bottle of 30 M4's sitting here and I blew 12 mg in a single (HUGE rail I might add) line (quickly followed by another 4 mg line) and barely got off for one hour with minimal rush if at all. I have to eat more than 120 mgs of Oxy to get what I call good and high (itches and nodding are a thing of years past for me) for several hours. So now I decide to cross over to IV and get high old school again or keep chasing these monster lines making me gag they're so big and don't even do anything with the supposedly powerful Dilaudid.

It's not like my 10 years of chronic weed smoking is any less carcinogenic than the M4 particles embolizing in the lungs, anyway. I saw another article footnoted in the above which concluded "no significant clinical effects" of the particles. But then we have that other user's talc story of being completely canned by it.

Hard data by respected scientists in controlled trials made me think twice on loading up my rig for the first time tonight is all.

Later,
CIG

[chemboy7]

It's not like my 10 years of chronic weed smoking is any less carcinogenic than the M4 particles embolizing in the lungs, anyway.

Marijuana is not carcinogenic, at all, the worse that can happen to your lung smoking weed is alittle irritation from the tarry smoke... no long term damage. Shit, sometimes when I got something that I need to cough out and is stuck in my lungs a few bong hits is the only thing to clear me out; makes shit stick together. I would say that Marijuana is more helpful, in that sense, than anything when it comes to the lungs. You would do your lungs alot more damamge sitting around a campfire one night that a months worth of daily pot smoking.