Pantopon component ratios

[ShaneFlipside]

I've searched the threads about Pantopon and discovered it is still available in Canada - and that Roche invented it in 1909 as the edxtract of opium with all the alkaloids and no inert matter - in otherwords, if I'm not mistaken - Pantopon was a brand name for a drug that contained oxymorphone, oxycodone, hydromorphone, and hydrocodone - all in one. Imagine sipping some hycodan syrup while shooting dilaudids and popping oxys and shooting the brand new opanas - that would be what taking pantopon was like. In Junky Burroughs says that in Mexico City in the 50's Pantopon was sold as Heroin on the streets (makes sense since poppies probably hadn't been cultivated in Mexico at that point. OK, so here is the question. What was the ratio?!? How many milligrams of each was in a "dose" of Pantopon. Sure would like to know so maybe I could recreate it some day by mixing the more accessible four others!!

[devilsdrug]

most of those u mention are semi synthetic and are not a componet of opium

[insanesteveo]

yea, like dd said, you named semi-synthetics. drugs made in the lab. most of those werent even discovered in 1909. what you are wanting to think of is the ingredients in opium: morphine, codeine, thebaine, oripavine(?), papaverine(?), and some other ones that do nothing. the main one of concern is morphine, its in the highest ratio. next may be thebaine, which i understand causes stimulant properties and then sedative states. hope that helps you.

[Hammilton]

Four Words: Fucking Retard

[ShaneFlipside]

I deny being whatever kind of idiot I was called - I'm a completely different kind of idiot. No, seriously folks, of course I know that those substances I named were the 4 semi-synthetic opioids, but my belief is that the process of making Pantopon consisted of producing these. Which doesn't sound much like the Roche bit about all the alkaloids "in" opium I admit. Something tells me I'm not as far off the mark as some of you seem to think - but obviously we need to find someone in Canada getting the stuff for some subjective input, and someone at the place that still manufactures them to give up any info about modern day analysis of the components. So maybe my ratio question should be rephrased as "Exactly what is in Pantopon! It certainly wouldn't make it a desirable drug akin to H if it still had a bunch of thebaine and papaverine etc in it - something continues to tell me they extracted the goodness or did the chemical proceses that convert thebaine to these cool semi-synths we all know and love. And Hamilton - while you may flaunt the bottle of Dilaudid powder, which I can't match - I can report that the first time I ever got any Dillies was in 72 and I paid 75 cents a pill for 20 of the 4 mg - when all 4 strengths were in the tiny white hypodermic tablet form (i'm sure lots of folks don't realize a millio9n and one drugs and poisons all used to be issued in those tiny saccharin tab size pills with no coatings or buffers! ) and back in 69-70 I actually got to sample the Numorphans that are back now as opana. So -- whatever - let us just get to the bottom of this, shall we!??

[devilsdrug]

yea and besides it was only 2 words not 4 hamilton, and flittyip i also sampleed the d in that form back then , never had the numorph to my knowledge though , acouple friends of mine we went to sf to see his uncle who had just got out of quentin and spent evening noddin in some dive hotel my first dilles

[reddragon3668]

I can report that the first time I ever got any Dillies was in 72 and I paid 75 cents a pill for 20 of the 4 mg - when all 4 strengths were in the tiny white hypodermic tablet form (i'm sure lots of folks don't realize a millio9n and one drugs and poisons all used to be issued in those tiny saccharin tab size pills with no coatings or buffers! )

I just got prescribed the 2mg dillies for the first time... never taken any before. They are as you describe... tiny white pills (2mg). Are they the same as your talkin' about? Also, is the bio-availability the same as morphine when taking orally? They definitely seem stronger than the MSIR tablets I used to take...

[ShaneFlipside]

Yes, it sounds like you are indeed getting the "hypodermic tablet" type of Dilaudid. I wish I knew more about bioavailability etc. - that is why I'm here on the forums - to learn the stuff i don't know. Gangs of subjective experience with quite a few things - and I still have the capacity to read and comprehend most of the chemistry tech talk - but not to the fullest. But Dillies are notorious for giving a"rush" when slammed - so I imagine that any way you take them the high gives the impression of hitting one quickly - or?? Not sure in other words - I just know that finding out stuff here at opiophile, like how Morphine gets pissed out because it bioavailable enough - well it is disturbing all that waste - but I ain't drinking my own pee - and that is final. Anyhow, good luck to all of us on the voyage for maximum opiation - and to those chasing this chimeric beast due to issues with pain - my condolences.

[vaxn8]

I just got prescribed the 2mg dillies for the first time... never taken any before. They are as you describe... tiny white pills (2mg). Are they the same as your talkin' about? Also, is the bio-availability the same as morphine when taking orally? They definitely seem stronger than the MSIR tablets I used to take...


Red, depends on your manufacturer. The gerneric mallie's are not completely soluble and are NOT binder/excipient free. The brand ones are very soluble but also are NOT binder/excipient free.