Demerol versus Morphine, etc.

[ShaneFlipside]

Basically I want to know what folks think the equivalency of Dem to M is - I'm figuring something like 100 mg Dem is = to 1 grain (approx. 60 mg) of M. Anyone have another opinion? In all reality I'd love to see a full-blown equivalency chart for all opiates and opioids. And while we're on the topic: Going rates of 50 mg and/or 100 mg Dem's. By the way, I found out in the modern lit why I always thought Dem had a weird high - it breaks down into a poison with intoxicant properties. I actually thought Dem was not a pure agonist - it is - but the current lit admits it has more side effects than most other good opiate agonists.

[jab]

Ick, I hate Demerol. From what I understand it is a pure agonist, but it's a fully synthetic opiate. It's very easy to reach toxic levels in the blood, and the high kinda sux.

Be safe, hope that helps a little. And for a camparison, I say there is none, because the are qualitatively different.

[vaxn8]

I know the iv conversion, 75 mg demerol = 10 mg morphine

edit: also if you look, there are a million online narc converters

[ShaneFlipside]

I have looked around for conversion charts - and I've seen some in various threads but they were always tentative or incomplete. How about a link or three to the ones you know are out there - because searching earlier today for various word combos I couldn't even find the ones I saw before. 75 mgs Dem is equiv to 10 mg of morph?!? I hate to contradict you, but 10 mg is less than a quarter grain. They don't even make M in that dosage. So I have to believe that equivalency will relate to the actual dosages available - as in what is the equivalency between an oxy timerelease 80 to a morph delayed release 100 mg - since those are sizes they prescribe it makes sense to look for an equivalency there. Capisc?

[chemboy7]

My advise would be to go for the Morphine and forget the Dummy Oil; but according to Heroin Helper 60-80mg IM and 150-250 oral Meperidine is equal to 10mg of Morphine IM. Here is the link http://www.heroinhelper.com/curious/pharmacology/strength.shtml and here is a narcotic conversion search engine http://www.globalrph.com/narcotic.cgi

[vaxn8]

I hate to contradict you, but 10 mg is less than a quarter grain. They don't even make M in that dosage. So I have to believe that equivalency will relate to the actual dosages available - as in what is the equivalency between an oxy timerelease 80 to a morph delayed release 100 mg - since those are sizes they prescribe it makes sense to look for an equivalency there. Capisc?

Umm yes they do! Intravenous morphine is usually 10 mg/ml, if you walk in with a broken limb you're going to be getting 2 to 4 mg most likely, higher if a doc knows what you normally take. The other conversion, i'll look at in the AM, too tired to see straight.

[repeek]

Demerol is awful stuff, there is a slight euphoric feeling accompanied by blurred vision, feeling like you brain has suffered a frontal lobotomy. It feel like a cross between a narcotic and thorazine.

It is a really un-fun narcotic. The only time I would recommend it is to ward off withdrawals.

Tolerance develops really fast too; Swim had a 1500mg habit 4 times a day, and it happened in about a week.

[ShaneFlipside]

Just for the record, "Swim" already knew enough not to gobble the proffered Dem's - but the price being right and he having "friends" - he couldn't resist moving them along so to speak. Can you even imagine such a thing, heh heh. Swim aint a total fucking retard -- he has his order in for opana - which the conversion chart he was guided to claims is twice as strong as oxy-c, it's kid bro. He hopes to let me know so i can pass it along ---- soon!! It still boggles my mind Dem is THAT weak - that it takes a small handful to equal one goddammned grain of morphine. Just to be argumentative though - the bit about IV morph being issued in the 10 mg and less increments is irrelevant - because the comparison here is oral to oral or im to oral - no mentions of iv in the conversions - and iv'ing morph ain't all that pleasant - plus good old swim gets to iv once in a blue moon since the v's are nonexistent. I sure do appreciate the quick useful links provided - and I guess I'm gonna have to go add that kudos type pat on the digital back to Chemboy - cuz he has had tons of good stuff I've read - and now this reply to my needs. In final mention of Dem, it has the bad parts of the PCP type high - like when it is Formaldehyde instead of real pcp - or something - that weird poison in it can really be pernicious - cuz I was young back then when I realized i didn't care for the high -- but now I really fear my liver would take a shit and it would be all over. But yeah, Swim is still scandalous enough to allow them to go into the world and (help him) prosper, ha heh ha heh and all that.

[Powdered Love]

dems not the best, but in my opinion it's not the worst either. It'll get you to where you're try to go if you have enough. When I was younger I had some of the best highs of my life from demerol. It's extremely weak orally though so IV or IM would be the only way to go really.

You can google "equi-anaglesic dose calculator" for strength compared with other opies.

[vaxn8]

the bit about IV morph being issued in the 10 mg and less increments is irrelevant - because the comparison here is oral to oral or im to oral - no mentions of iv in the conversions - and iv'ing morph ain't all that pleasant -


Shane- if you wanted oral only, you could have just asked for it. I told you my conversion was iv, obviously the oral dose is a ton higher. But morphine being unpleasant iv? Now that I think may be the first time I've heard that on this board! If iv morph is unpleasant, I'll take unpleasant any day! I've got a few other conversion sites that I'll dig up later. If you look around, you'll see slight variations in them, also some chart don't include every drug you may need, to it's good to look at a couple at least.

[hovadagod]

The dem actually doesn't even feel that good. I'd take it....don't get me wrong but it does have a synthetic feel. Also is very dangerous due to certain metabolites.

[ShaneFlipside]

By unpleasant, I mean the extreme pins and needles - I didn't mean that it isn't the ultimate high we all seek here - in that everyone (by and large)'s fave, H, breaks down to M (while in the process of getting you high?) Anyhow- I'm not saying I'm not interested in the iV ratios and all, but that the chart chemboy linked me to specifically compare oral sto im but not iv. Anyhow - the consensus here has educated me to a fact I already knew (I have no interest in taking Dem) and to the fact I needed to know (that they are a lot weaker than the most of the good shit - and so - swim has to sell em cheap so he better be able to get em way cheap - which is supposedly the case - we'll see). Besides the weird toxicity, stuff I've read while researching, and from memories of actual experiences back in the day with Dem - reminds me it has an abscess problem as well. Real bad abscesses even when all the sterile practices are followed. In other words, Dem sounds like it is a mediocre substance that once got a heavy push from the pharm companies - cuz it sure was a widespread analgesic there for awhile.

[migraneur]

By unpleasant, I mean the extreme pins and needles - I didn't mean that it isn't the ultimate high we all seek here - in that everyone (by and large)'s fave, H, breaks down to M (while in the process of getting you high?) Anyhow- I'm not saying I'm not interested in the iV ratios and all, but that the chart chemboy linked me to specifically compare oral sto im but not iv. Anyhow - the consensus here has educated me to a fact I already knew (I have no interest in taking Dem) and to the fact I needed to know (that they are a lot weaker than the most of the good shit - and so - swim has to sell em cheap so he better be able to get em way cheap - which is supposedly the case - we'll see). Besides the weird toxicity, stuff I've read while researching, and from memories of actual experiences back in the day with Dem - reminds me it has an abscess problem as well. Real bad abscesses even when all the sterile practices are followed. In other words, Dem sounds like it is a mediocre substance that once got a heavy push from the pharm companies - cuz it sure was a widespread analgesic there for awhile.

My introduction to opiates was to Demerol 125mg IM for a migraine when I was 12 years old. and 12. and 12. and 13. and 13. and 13. and 13. and ... The Demerol was great because it took away the pain, made me feel warm and sleepy, and put me to sleep. When I woke up, the pain was gone. In college I was given oxycodone (percodan) which worked the same. In 1996 my migranes turned bad and I needed opiate therapy >1 a week and I was started on oxycontin daily.Now in 2007 I have had to switch to MS Contin due to hearing loss. I don't like the morphine versus the oxycontin. the oxycontin gave me energy and didn't make me so drowsy. MS makes me feel tired and dopey all the time.

Even with all of the conversion tables and calculaters out there accessable with Google, you still need to know routes of admission and apply a factor for tolerance. For example, I am 242 lbs, and the last time I was hospitalized for status migraine (a coninuous unrelenting migrainr lasting > 72 hours) I was started on Demerol 150mg IM q 6hrs (along with DHE 1mg IV /hr continuous infusion). Because Demerol produces a metabolite that can stay in the body for a long time Demerol is not used for long term pain care and after a day I was changed to Morphine Sulfate 2mg/hr continuous infusion. This was based on the 600mg D = 60mg MS daily dosage (with 25% cross tolerance factor).

[halfalien_s4]

i know what u mean with the migraines...i get them on an almost daily basisn since i was 17 (im now 30)

[OxyContinuously]

in my exp., demerol has been significantly weaker than morphine. if given the choice, i would go with the morph