Everyone has a special symptom

[clinton]

In withdrawals our symptoms run the gamut from sweating, to shitting, to vomit , to phlegm
People in my clinic had a discussion about which symptom seemed to harangue them the most- it was interesting some people only sweat and had leg trouble, some only shit and couldn't sleep, anyone care to share what your symptoms are? Do they differ with different opiates?
mine are sweating and terrible nonstop constant sneezing

[thatoneguy]

I first get a tickle in my throat then the sweats followed by the rls not being able to sleep and liquid fire shits

also I love the word harangue my dad used to use it all the time

[Michael]

That feeling when your stomach starts digesting again and it feels all slimey and full of snails. The muscle feeling where your like constantly kinda sore, but want to stretch but can't move but can't stay still. Knees hurt and feel like they're expanding or something, just pain man,

[OpiatedChronically]

The worst for me is my blood pressure and heart rate go up up so much, terrible anxiety/panic feelings, a deep restlessness in my muscles that makes me want to stretch, but stretching brings no relief, the feeling that something inside me is trying desperately to escape but can't get out, and of course all over pain, not to mention the pain I'm RXd meds for gets about 1000x worse.

Those are my worst, everything else is tolerable compared to those symptoms. If it weren't for all those, I would probably be able to sleep in W/D.

I never get nausea or bad shits when in W/D. Although eating is difficult simply because it seems repulsive and I don't feel like making the effort to chew and swallow.

[strikks]

you know...i get alot of the above.....my bone is with suboxone....no matter how much i take when outta morphine MY NOSE RUNS CONSTANTLY!!!! I FUCKING HATE IT!!!` WHY DOESN'T SUBS TAKE CARE OF THAT SYMPTOM I WONDER???




sup clinton?? good 2 see you!!

[borohydride]

Running nose, shivers, feeling cold, anxiety.... and that's after 12 hours.... god alone knows what my 'day 3' would be like....

[SuperJunky]

I start with body temp issues (actually have those most the time) and my stomach feels like it's eating it's self (that happens most the time as well), wait a minute, other than the shits sounds like my straight is a lot like the beginning of your guys WD.


Running nose, shivers, feeling cold, anxiety.... and that's after 12 hours.... god alone knows what my 'day 3' would be like....

I know after about 40 days things are still what most would consider "day 3 bad"... FUCK!

[borohydride]

I start with body temp issues (actually have those most the time) and my stomach feels like it's eating it's self (that happens most the time as well), wait a minute, other than the shits sounds like my straight is a lot like the beginning of your guys WD.

Working on it, man.... Stay awake for 1 more hour....



I know after about 40 days things are still what most would consider "day 3 bad"... FUCK!

Check ur hushmail!

[Larkin]

The sweats and anxiety run the gauntlet on me.

start:
As soon as my stomach feels warm
i start to get nervous
then i sweat
then i get the chills
goto start

I usually dont start getting the shits til almost a week, maybe 3-4 days max, esp if i am using lope. but even low t1/2 drugs, it takes a few days for the soft serve ice cream to flow
back pain is pretty bad, lack of energy is probably the worse symptom behind chills and anxiety
then i get more nervous

[borohydride]

Is snow-blindness, housemaids knee & gynecomastia all normal (not to mention the trench-nose & athletes mouth)?

[Larkin]

Is snow-blindness, housemaids knee & gynecomastia all normal (not to mention the trench-nose & athletes mouth)?

are they all fat al character reject ideas?

[danny]

restless MOTHER FUCKING legs, if i could just get a bit shut eye i could grind it out. bastard.

[Bartholomew]

Vomit, by far.

I get everything else (shits, RLS, coldsweats, insomnia, bone/muscle ache) but vomiting every few minutes is just terrible. The first few ones are ok, cause I've still got something to throw up. But when it gets to vomiting nothing but stomach acid, it gets rough. After late day 1/early day 2 I won't be able to drive cause of the constant vomiting. Sucks finding someone to drive you when you're sick, got money, and know where the dope is at.

[Smaxie]

after about 20 hours I start with the yawning and the stretching and the sneezing and the sweating, uncomfortable but tolerable. Then after about 30 hours the horrid siatic (sp?) nerve pain and the RLS start in that and the total lack of sleep are what push me over the edge. If I am in WD It is guaranteed I will not sleep for the first 86 hours for sure, and then only for 1-2 hours. It usually takes a full week before I can get 4-6 hours of uninterupted sleep, and until I get that sleep the siatica and temperature regulation does not stop. I am constantly nauseous and usually start to vomit on day 3, the shitting thing is the last of all symptoms. I hate WD, and it scares me I will never be able to get off of mmt.

Like I said, I can not sleep, so after the 3rd night of no sleep I start rationalizing all the reasons to start using again. I feel like a hamster in a wheel. MMT has probably saved my life, I am just afraid I am going to be chained to it forever.

Sorry if this was a bit redundant. It's early and my dose hasn't kicked in :)

[poppy]

Restless legs and the hair that's not really there but feels like it's wrapped round a tonsil.

[goodgirlgonebad]

FREEZING, chills, feeling like I have a fever, extreme fatigue, nonstop fucking yawning.

[Der Alte Krieger]

the hair that's not really there but feels like it's wrapped round a tonsil.

Goddamn yeah. I wonder if there is a medical name for whatever that is? That really drives me crazy.

[Benz]

I've been around the block long enough to know that each time I kick I get different symptoms to be the most irritating.

Symptoms that I can rely on are perceived temperature changes (your actual temperature doesn't vary much, I'm told), sweating, anxiety, depression, involuntary limb kicks or shudders & a particularly cruel form of insomnia where I can't sleep but am exhausted. My eyes will slowly close then they ping open.



Benz

[thatoneguy]

Vomit, by far.

I get everything else (shits, RLS, coldsweats, insomnia, bone/muscle ache) but vomiting every few minutes is just terrible. The first few ones are ok, cause I've still got something to throw up. But when it gets to vomiting nothing but stomach acid, it gets rough. After late day 1/early day 2 I won't be able to drive cause of the constant vomiting. Sucks finding someone to drive you when you're sick, got money, and know where the dope is at.

BS the car can be cleaned! we gotta go NOW!

I feel bad for whoever road in the passenger seat of my old wagon lots of vomit ended up there lol

[paups]

the hair that's not really there but feels like it's wrapped round a tonsil.

That is the WEIRDEST symptom.. it only happens to me in spells and a hot shower usually takes care of it but that feeling where you cant swallow or even inhale as the "hair" triggers a wretching episode.. *shiver* terrible

I usually have a gambit of cold sweats, diarrhea (no direct vomiting though, other than the "hair wretching"..), extreme fatigue, mood dysphoria but instead of RLS in my extremities I feel the "twitch/kick" from the nape of my neck to the center of my shoulder blades. Its drives me MAD.

Another really annoying symptom is I can literally "feel" my brain click on and start chattering. It reminds me of a car starter that idles and stalls and keeps trying to turn on again. I don't know how to explain it but opiates smooth out the intuitive/emotional landscapes of my normal function that usually overwhelms me.

When I am in w/d I am totally incapacitated sometimes by this recharge into the "matrix" of my head. Memory, sensation, comprehension, inspiration, connect-the-dots, overwhelmed, anxiety, FML, MAKE IT STOP.

Before I was using heavily I somewhat thrived on this sensation, but I translated the anxiety reaction into an adrenal one somehow.. so instead of it leading me to "hide in the bed, kill me now" it was more like GO! GO! NOW! AGAIN! MORE! BETTER! FASTER! AWESOME!

I still haven't quite managed to unravel that one yet. I fear I will be on maintenance until I do.. even the bupe keeps that impetus at bay.

[jibthis]

A lot of the symptoms mentioned above apply to me as well. I think many of them everyone generally gets, not all though.

Personally my symptoms are:
Runny nose - constantly running can't just grab a tissue must have a box of tissues.

Restless Legs - I think this is the most severe for me. It is like they are half numb and sometimes tingle. I try to stretch but it makes no difference.

Loss of appetite - I pretty much have to force myself to eat. I will sit there and chew and chew and chew...swallow, then its like do I really have to take another bite? I then repeat chew, chew, chew... another bite? DAMN IT!

Body temp - Cold sweats. Freezing one minute, sweating the next.

Anxiety - My anxiety is through the roof. I pace sometimes. Extreme panic attacks to the point one time my GF thought I was having a seizure, as my whole body was shaking, teeth chattering, you could feel my pulse anywhere on my body.

Shits - It takes a while for them to come on but once they do it's game over! Its like I can't leave the bathroom. There was one time where I thought I should go out and get myself some "depends" just in case I had a leakage problem.

I think I listed all of my general symptoms but of course I may have left something out. I don't get sick as in pukey sick but, I do feel very sick!

[gameface]

Another really annoying symptom is I can literally "feel" my brain click on and start chattering. It reminds me of a car starter that idles and stalls and keeps trying to turn on again. I don't know how to explain it but opiates smooth out the intuitive/emotional landscapes of my normal function that usually overwhelms me.

When I am in w/d I am totally incapacitated sometimes by this recharge into the "matrix" of my head. Memory, sensation, comprehension, inspiration, connect-the-dots, overwhelmed, anxiety, FML, MAKE IT STOP.

Before I was using heavily I somewhat thrived on this sensation, but I translated the anxiety reaction into an adrenal one somehow.. so instead of it leading me to "hide in the bed, kill me now" it was more like GO! GO! NOW! AGAIN! MORE! BETTER! FASTER! AWESOME!


and this

my blood pressure and heart rate go up up so much, terrible anxiety/panic feelings, a deep restlessness in my muscles that makes me want to stretch, but stretching brings no relief, the feeling that something inside me is trying desperately to escape but can't get out, and of course all over pain, not to mention the pain I'm RXd meds for gets about 1000x worse.

[SuperJunky]

Before I was using heavily I somewhat thrived on this sensation, but I translated the anxiety reaction into an adrenal one somehow.. so instead of it leading me to "hide in the bed, kill me now" it was more like GO! GO! NOW! AGAIN! MORE! BETTER! FASTER! AWESOME!

I still haven't quite managed to unravel that one yet. I fear I will be on maintenance until I do.. even the bupe keeps that impetus at bay.

The first fent crash caused this reaction in RJ and myself. I think it saved our lives as well.

EDIT:



Loss of appetite - I pretty much have to force myself to eat. I will sit there and chew and chew and chew...swallow, then its like do I really have to take another bite? I then repeat chew, chew, chew... another bite? DAMN IT!

That is so me... and then I feel so much sicker, probably what used to be my first symptom before it became permanent. I wonder WTF I've done to myself. Reading this thread makes me think fuck, I never know when any of this is going to hit me, and I'm not out of shit, I'm actually as fine as I get. I think I may be subconsciously excepting this as normal to some degree, just treat the symptom.

[Snoops]

I've been on MMT for seven months now. I've read somewheres that the mind blocks out the memory of pain and sufferings.
I find this to be true...

But it's all coming back to me now.

It begins with massive amounts of anxiety, followed by unimaginable amounts of sweat, pouring out of every single pore... My shirt sticks to my back.
Cigarettes smell and taste like shit. And seem to add even more to the effects of anxiety (probably cuz of it's stimulant properties).
All of this is followed by wave after wave of dreadfull memories and emotions that have since been suppressed by the opi's.
I swear, I become a complete marshmellow... This 6ft 1in, 210 lb pile of mush.

When I suddenly feel the urge to call my mom and cry into her ear like a man-child, I know that I better cop a fuckton of preferably Valium or Klonopin and some Lope.... I then pray to the God that I'm usually certain, doesn't even exist.

All of this occurs in a matter of 10-14 hrs after the last jab of H, Oxy, dilly. And 36-48 hrs if it's the 'Done...

[Saint]

I've been on MMT for seven months now. I've read somewheres that the mind blocks out the memory of pain and sufferings.
I find this to be true...

But it's all coming back to me now.

It begins with massive amounts of anxiety, followed by unimaginable amounts of sweat, pouring out of every single pore... My shirt sticks to my back.
Cigarettes smell and taste like shit. And seem to add even more to the effects of anxiety (probably cuz of it's stimulant properties).
All of this is followed by wave after wave of dreadfull memories and emotions that have since been suppressed by the opi's.
I swear, I become a complete marshmellow... This 6ft 1in, 210 lb pile of mush.



The smell of cigs, yeah, it's awful (but I still smoke them anyway, probably hoping to somehow revoke the feeling I got when smoking one after a hit)..

For me it's the sweating and general stomach pains/nausea (although I rarely vomit). But insomnia is the absolute worst, no matter how much you try, NOTHING will make you comfortable, a constant electric buzzing in my legs is driving me crazy, haunting memories put me down, doom and gloom is fencing me in.

And ofcourse there's the sneezing and horrible backpain. And a general feeling of not being well, clothes hurt my skin, noise is too much, sunlight I can not stand.

After having kicked methadone for so many times but not feeling much better after 8 months I gave up.

[Dutch]

Leg Pain and Restless Insomnia are my bigguns.

[borohydride]

Lucky nobody here is on Ketogan (ketobemidone - big in Scandinavia). It's the only opioid that can be fatal after sudden withdrawal from high-doses. I presume it's because of it's NMDA activity rather than opioid activity... still, nasty!

[ryan5892]

My first sign of withdrawal is yawning, then general aches, then my bones/joints start to hurt, then I start shitting everywhere, and after a very long time the vomiting comes, like at day 3.

I'm on bupe now, with heroin it was different, the diarhea/vomiting would always come first, I never really get the cold sweats.

The worse part about my withdrawals is the joint/bone pain.

EDIT: sleep? ahaha.

[SubHuman]

Restless legs/restlessness, insomnia, lowerback/stomach pains, boredom, depression. I hate knowing Im not gonna sleep even a minute for like a week knowing I get no break from the misery and monotony of sitting in bed watching TV 24hrs a day sick, I know getting up and outside and getting some exercise helps sometimes but that seems so impossible when your in the midst of it. Oh and I cant get stoned during WD either, weed or jwh makes my WD symptoms so much worse which is a bummer because I always want to smoke so it will calm my stomach a bit

[Dantesheaven]

The smell of cigs, yeah, it's awful (but I still smoke them anyway, probably hoping to somehow revoke the feeling I got when smoking one after a hit)..

For me it's the sweating and general stomach pains/nausea (although I rarely vomit). But insomnia is the absolute worst, no matter how much you try, NOTHING will make you comfortable, a constant electric buzzing in my legs is driving me crazy, haunting memories put me down, doom and gloom is fencing me in.

And ofcourse there's the sneezing and horrible backpain. And a general feeling of not being well, clothes hurt my skin, noise is too much, sunlight I can not stand.

After having kicked methadone for so many times but not feeling much better after 8 months I gave up.

I used to smoke bout a pack a day and quit 2 years ago about the same time I stopped shooting dope daily. Just thinking of what the cig smoke smells like turns my stomach. I wish the thought of the smell of heroin made me sick instead of making my mouth water and hair stand on end.

I've never had the restless limb syndrome but for me the hot/cold flashes is the worst. I hate how it makes water poor out of every body orifice. One of the main reasons I love opies, the drying effect it has.

[Wimpkins]

Mine are Flu like sneezing and watery eyes (fix with allergy meds), diarrhea (fixed with the recommended level of lope 2-4mgs), this odd ache in my back, my kidneys maybe (unfixable but hot showers and heating pads do help).

The absolute worst, I can not sleep even though I am beyond exhausted. I swear if this one didn't exist (getting my regular sleep at it's regular bed and wake time) I would hardly care about the rest of them.

[Seedy]

that feeling of utter despair and hopelessness. 'i've made my own bed and i can't fucking sleep in it'

rls. sucks.

[nick]

Physically,low blood pressure-feels like the life force has been cut off,a truly terrible feeling,but the WORST by far are the pychological symptoms-depression,suicidal depression.
First sympton is always yawning,closely followed by watering eyes,runny nose et al.It's like the bodies reanimating.
That's enough-I don't like thinking about it to be honest.

[Larkin]

dunno if this has been mentioned... but fucking PISSING!

omfg, i dont get diarrhea for a few days but the first day of WD i have to piss every fucking 20 minutes. That is actually what keeps me awake more than the RLS, cramps, chills.

As soon as i fall asleep i have to piss

[Saint]

dunno if this has been mentioned... but fucking PISSING!

omfg, i dont get diarrhea for a few days but the first day of WD i have to piss every fucking 20 minutes. That is actually what keeps me awake more than the RLS, cramps, chills.

As soon as i fall asleep i have to piss

O yeah, forgot all about the pee thing, have the same problem..

[Sinderella]

Wow its crazy to see how different everyones bodies react to withdrawals and my symptoms seem to somewhat different than what people have wrote on here so far.. (ofcourse these are based on my latest experiences in the last 7yrs since being on Methadone and the times I had to do without for whatever reason,but are simular to what I experienced with pills minus the starve to death thing because the w/d come faster with other opiates)

One of my very first symptoms of withdrawal is always that jerking inside my arms/hands like they just dont wanna do what I want them to do..Its hard to describe but I am sure if anyone has experienced it they will know what I am talking about..Its almost like getting a jolt of electricity to them without the painful burn/shock from that.Ill go to move the mouse or type and it is an effort..While this is almost always one of my first symptoms its one that lasts the entire time..

I also yawn uncontrollably in early withdrawals..And have severe nausea though no vomitting or diarrhea.
Then as more time passes and everything starts getting worse I get this feeling in my stomach like I havent ate in a week,kind of like my stomach is so empty the walls are rubbing together and I just have to eat because i literally feel like i am starving..
Then the hot/cold/hot/cold crap sets in..Where youll be sitting there and break out in a major sweat and then freeze to death the next min which the freezing is made worse by the wetness from the sweating.This is the most bothersome for me at night when i "try" to sleep..which is impossible when u are constantly so hot you throw the covers off then freezing because the fan hits your wet clothes and skin and then your hip starts hurting from laying on it for 10mins so you gotta change posistions and that is on a constant loop all night long..

I HATE that part of it soo much that when I only had a small amount to take(Like not enough to get high or make me completely well like say 10-40mg)I always wait to take it about an hour before bedtime so i can hopefully get some sleep..I can handle most of the withdrawals during the day when i have tv and such to keep my mind somewhat occupied but at night during sleeptime this is all but impossible for me...

By the time the next morning comes without I am starting to become a mess,my stomach starts cramping and the diarrhea sets in as does the intense pain from all my chronic pain issues..I go between nausea and vomitting and i have bouts of uncontrolable trembling all over with my hands shaking ALL the time.. I am extremely hard to be around as I get very ill..Extremely snappy with everyone..I cant stand myself much less anyone else...

By the day after that I am all out w/d sitting on the toilet with a bucket or trashcan in front of me,a sweaty freezing,trembling mess... Which I have only made it to this point 2times in the 7yrs of being on MMT..and hopefully Ill never go back there again...

[tui]

The term "restless legs" doesn't come close to describing the torture of this symptom. For me, it also applies to my arms, back and shoulders. If I could tear off my skin, I would. "Restless" makes it sound like a minor irritation. It's like rats nibbling at your flesh from the inside out.

I can deal with shitting and puking and hot and cold sweats and shivers, the intensity of light and smell, even the depression, but that horrible "restless" feeling does me in every time.

[skeezerjohns22]

A very odd symptom for myself occurs when i finally DO fall asleep...My mind literally goes haywire and my brain keeps regenerating the same dream over and over again. It literally seems like every 5 mins. I'm having the same fucking dream. And it usually stems from what I have been watching on the tube that day...

Anyone else experience this, or am i just batshit crazy?

[Eddie Dean]

Most of the common symptons that have been explained is what I usually get.. But the worst for me is the hot and cold sweats/gallons of sweat coming from every pore. Also the pain in my knees gets almost unbearable, they burn and twitch and ache nonstop (almost feels like I have been doing squats or powercleans in the weight room for days straight).. And the fatigue, the fatigue that makes lifting a cracker to your mouth the hardest task ever..

Ugh, it's scary to even think about, and I hate it so much, but yet again I sit here with a kick looming over my head... fuck me

[Metrik]

For me Insomnia and the persistant yawning make me want to put a bullet between my eyes after day 2-3

[Der Alte Krieger]

The smell of cigs, yeah, it's awful (but I still smoke them anyway, probably hoping to somehow revoke the feeling I got when smoking one after a hit).

Ah yeah, cigaretts. I was on day 4 of a jailhouse taper from a high dose of methadone when the lights went on and everybody in the jail lit a cigarett at the same time. I felt like I was going to choke to fucking death. I had been up all night hugging the shitter, vomiting till I was afraid that my throat was going to close up on me and my vomit was tinged dark with blood from my raw esophagus.
My guts had started to function again and and what seemed like a thousand gallons of liquid shit was pressured up against a rock hard plug that I had been digging at while I lay there. Every so often I'd swap ends and try to strain at the impaction to no avail, and I was beginning to wonder if I was going to just die, laying right there on that cold goddamned cement.

Every so often I would have to crawl out of the way and prop myself against the wall while one of my cellmates would sit there voiding their bowels, puffing on a cigarett. And I remember thinking to myself, "this ain't nothing but a thang, I either got to die or get better and either way it's all happening".

And I'm sitting here tonight, knowing that I got a kick coming in the fairly near future, and I find myself letting myself get all spookish thinking about the pain and fear thats got to be coming. And I have to stop and get a grip on myself, reminding myself that it aint nothing but a thang. Every kick I ever rode has made me a stronger person and theres nothing to fear but fear itself.

[harmonik]

I get the hair in the throat thing. Ech. Those false yawns every 10 minutes don't do it, but a *real* yawn will give me a 1-2 second feeling in the top front of my head that feels much like the same "stoned" sensation when being high. weirrrd.

[pullmyhair]

The worst for me is the restless arms and legs. Also the hot/cold flashes, profuse sweating, watery eyes, runny nose, insomnia, severe anxiety/panic attacks/inability to breath, prolonged erections that I don't have the energy to do anything about, zero appetite, and the inability to do anything but lay in bed and try watch TV, but I can't even pay attention to that, because I am obsessing, going over and over in my mind anything or anyway I can scheme/scam/scrape up some drugs or money.

I generally avoided w/d pretty well before I started mmt, since I've been on mmt for just over 4 years, there have only been one or two times that I really went into w/d. The only really bad time was when my mother was dying, and I couldn't make it back to the. clinic on my scheduled day. I was four days late, and I went through all of the morphine an dillies that were leftover after she died on the first of those four days. I was sick as fuck at the funeral, it was absolutely miserable having to listen to everyone's condolence and hug everyone without completely losing it on someone. It's a shitty place to be in without being in full blown w/d's. Needless to say, I drove the seven hours home that night, so I could be at the clinic at 5am (with bells on).

Before I started mmt, I had shot bth for years and then I started getting methadone from a regular doctor. I was getting 100mgs per day, but usually took about 150mgs per day. Anyway, I did that for about a year, and then my doctor dropped me (for nonpayment, FUCK!), and when I couldn't find another doc to take over, I said fuck it, sold all of my possessions, took my tax return, borrowed a little cash, and moved to Puerto Vallarta. The first month I was there, I just sweat it out on the beach, drank shit loads of Pacifico, andsmoked massive amounts of excellent (and dirt cheap) crack. I didn't really sleep and shivered through the nights that whole month, but the days were actually kind of pleasant. I never went through full blown withdrawals, I mean there were some, but nothing like what I was used to or what I expected. Prior to leaving, I didn't taper at all, in fact I took my last dose in th airport on my way down. After the first month the accute w/d's were over with, and that's when the PAWS set in. Despite having a sweet job, an awesome apartment, and great new friends in one of my favorite cities, after six months I was still depressed and craving opiates like it was my first week clean. I couldn't take it, flew back home and relapsed immediately. This whole experience taught me to fear PAWS much more than accute withdrawal. To me, a month or more not sleeping and feeling like shit is nothing compared to the 6 month plus (hell 2 year plus) duration of PAWS. Even when the rest of your life is awesome, PAWS just makes it impossible to be happy, or even content.

On a side note, I've never vomited or had terrible diarrhea from withdrawals. I sometimes get a little nauseous, and 4 or 5 days into w/d I might get some mild diarrhea, but it's not bad at all. In general though, I don't get constipated pretty much ever (even though I am on mmt, and take what most people would consider to be gargantuan doses), and have always had a strong stomach, so I consider myself lucky that I don't get those symptoms when in w/d.

Oh, and sorry for the novel, I am spun out and bored.

[Brony]

My symptom is a low grade anxiety. I can't describe it exactly, but I ONLY get it when I'm gonna kick.

[tui]

T...and that's when the PAWS set in. Despite having a sweet job, an awesome apartment, and great new friends in one of my favorite cities, after six months I was still depressed and craving opiates like it was my first week clean. I couldn't take it, flew back home and relapsed immediately. This whole experience taught me to fear PAWS much more than accute withdrawal. To me, a month or more not sleeping and feeling like shit is nothing compared to the 6 month plus (hell 2 year plus) duration of PAWS. Even when the rest of your life is awesome, PAWS just makes it impossible to be happy, or even content.
^
So true. It sounds so simple - just wait it out. But every day is like a month. And when one day finally ends, another fucking begins. And just the thought of going through a new day, every day, empty and anxious and restless and raw, is terrifying.


The most recent symptom I've picked up is extreme sexual arousal. Painfully so. I have to sleep with a pillow between my knees so nothing brushes past my girl parts. There is nothing pleasant about it. Sucks.

[chrisofd3ath]

lower back pain, the gastrointestinal havoc, my shins feel like they're splitting in half, skin's on fire, freaking the fuck out, as well, is up there. I've always had insomnia and anxiety but it gets x100 when sick. I'll chainsmoke thinking I'll feel better but I never do... Good thing for the bupe, that's all I can say. I miss heroin, I don't miss being sick.

[danny]

^
So true. It sounds so simple - just wait it out. But every day is like a month. And when one day finally ends, another fucking begins. And just the thought of going through a new day, every day, empty and anxious and restless and raw, is terrifying.


The most recent symptom I've picked up is extreme sexual arousal. Painfully so. I have to sleep with a pillow between my knees so nothing brushes past my girl parts. There is nothing pleasant about it. Sucks.

aint that weird? i wondered whether girls got that, i get the male equivalent of it, or did, thats for sure, 24 hour periods with double figure wanking is par for the course, feel rotten while your doing it but HAVE to do it, get about a second of relief, then feel sticky and horrible but end up doing it again in 10 minutes time, like a monkey on a stick....

[OXYKANTSTOP]

i have to say the urge to stretch or move is the fucking worst along with the restlesslegs,recently though i have been experenceing a extreame anxiety it gets so fucking

bat that it fells like i cant breath there is nothing i have tryed to eleveate it except ride it out thank god it seems to last around 15 min or slow ....another is the pain

between all my joints it feels as if they are really swolen some mornings when i wake up i cant even get out of bed it hurts so fucking bad..not sleeping is also a

motherfucker even with around 380-400 mgs of diphahydramine i take that dose nightly and every once and a while i fells as if it make some of the wd symptoms get

worse especialy the restlessness... anyone else experience anything similar??????

[Dantesheaven]

^
So true. It sounds so simple - just wait it out. But every day is like a month. And when one day finally ends, another fucking begins. And just the thought of going through a new day, every day, empty and anxious and restless and raw, is terrifying.


The most recent symptom I've picked up is extreme sexual arousal. Painfully so. I have to sleep with a pillow between my knees so nothing brushes past my girl parts. There is nothing pleasant about it. Sucks.

Damn, your boyo has quite the dilemma, deal with you high and happy and as sexual as a pile of dirt or miserable, in withdrawals, and willing to hump the shit out of him every 5 mins :p

[iriewon]

Personally get extremly bad RLS, puking up that lovely yellow mucus stomach bile acid shit yum, all over body pain, insomnia (thats nothing new though), and an all around feeling of I suck at life especially when I do fall asleep and wake up and i'm all sticky from bustin a nutt in my sleep all over myself when in wd it never seems to fail lol and of course all the other lovely feelings that come with opiate wd shitting, no appetite, motivation, and so on yall know the deal.

the 1st ones listed pertaining to the op's question especially that yellow stuff ugh. but all of them suck and happen. sorry cant think strait.

[Junkette]

Watery eyes....it's like I'm crying, and non stop nose running. Self-hate and guilt/anxiety. Feeling like I'm going to lose my mind.

[norseman]

I think we are getting close to describing the hell we all face. But there is one thing I have noticed the longer in this game and the more intense things get is how the mind/placebo effect is so powerful. Up until the last few years I did not believe in placebo effect, with regards to me. But that may have been my in maturity and ego stepping in.

For example. I remember Seven and I both hopped on the methadone bandwagon at about the same time a few years back, and a few mths into the "CURE" we had both fucked up at one time or another and ran out of drink early. Well I remember Seven telling me how he got this new w/d symptom he never had before and that symptom was nausea/vomiting. I also, up till that point thought I had experienced everything opi w/d could throw at me. Being through intense Fent/dilly w/d's to drawn out meth/Opium w/d etc. But I had never really had projectile type vomiting and nausea in the past before that convo.

Well after Seven had mentioned that 'new' symptom he got, I started getting the fur ball in the back of my throat causing salivation during mild methadone w/d which then quickly turned into full on nausea and vomiting at the most intense points until I got my drink or equiv back.

So first I just wanted to bring up the idea that it "may" be possible for us to experience new w/d symptoms based purely on the "suggestion" of others. Kinda like a placebo w/d effect. I am not sure about this yet, like maybe i would have got that nausea/vomiting symptom without that "evil" Seven dude telling me about it happening to him. Like it may be a standard side effect of high dose methadone w/d, but too me it really seemed like it came almost right after I heard about it from him. And I reallhy do trust his experiences.

So what do you guys think about the possibility of some w/d symptoms almost being like a classically triggered placebo effect? Introduced my various means. Also, if they could be put down to placebo, then there must be away of reversing that symptom, with just the power of rational/logical thought, and possibly a godly miracle right?

I have only had a daily habit for roughly 10 years, and am 30 now so I got one more question for some of the Older crew, do you guys think that as time goes by the body has a harder and harder time dealing/copeing with the w/d symptoms we all experience? Or is it possible that as time goes by you older crew are able to handle and "make the best" of a bad situation; per se. We know the whole..... "with age comes wisdom, perseverance and many other great traits/truths." So in that idea alone maybe the body has less effect then the mind with regards to w/d severity and how we cope.

Also to lighten things up a little cause just the though of W/d's is enough for me..... Is it possible in the good old US of A, for me to start a civil suit against Seven for his provoking a new placebo induced W/D symptom for me to deal with, hehehe. No worries Seven. Well unless you won the lotto and want to share the wealth ;)

[SeVeN]

Damit. I always ruin everything.

So much of this shit is mental. Of course mind over matter doesnt seem to cut it when your every fiber is twitching and you cant stop throwing up bile.

Man, MD is strong shit, and youve been on high dose strong opies for a while. It seems like there are times ive been better about trying to be patient, but i dont know if being sick ever gets any easier.

[Princess Kitty]

I think we are getting close to describing the hell we all face. But there is one thing I have noticed the longer in this game and the more intense things get is how the mind/placebo effect is so powerful. Up until the last few years I did not believe in placebo effect, with regards to me. But that may have been my in maturity and ego stepping in.

For example. I remember Seven and I both hopped on the methadone bandwagon at about the same time a few years back, and a few mths into the "CURE" we had both fucked up at one time or another and ran out of drink early. Well I remember Seven telling me how he got this new w/d symptom he never had before and that symptom was nausea/vomiting. I also, up till that point thought I had experienced everything opi w/d could throw at me. Being through intense Fent/dilly w/d's to drawn out meth/Opium w/d etc. But I had never really had projectile type vomiting and nausea in the past before that convo.

Well after Seven had mentioned that 'new' symptom he got, I started getting the fur ball in the back of my throat causing salivation during mild methadone w/d which then quickly turned into full on nausea and vomiting at the most intense points until I got my drink or equiv back.

So first I just wanted to bring up the idea that it "may" be possible for us to experience new w/d symptoms based purely on the "suggestion" of others. Kinda like a placebo w/d effect. I am not sure about this yet, like maybe i would have got that nausea/vomiting symptom without that "evil" Seven dude telling me about it happening to him. Like it may be a standard side effect of high dose methadone w/d, but too me it really seemed like it came almost right after I heard about it from him. And I reallhy do trust his experiences.

So what do you guys think about the possibility of some w/d symptoms almost being like a classically triggered placebo effect? Introduced my various means. Also, if they could be put down to placebo, then there must be away of reversing that symptom, with just the power of rational/logical thought, and possibly a godly miracle right?

I have only had a daily habit for roughly 10 years, and am 30 now so I got one more question for some of the Older crew, do you guys think that as time goes by the body has a harder and harder time dealing/copeing with the w/d symptoms we all experience? Or is it possible that as time goes by you older crew are able to handle and "make the best" of a bad situation; per se. We know the whole..... "with age comes wisdom, perseverance and many other great traits/truths." So in that idea alone maybe the body has less effect then the mind with regards to w/d severity and how we cope.

Also to lighten things up a little cause just the though of W/d's is enough for me..... Is it possible in the good old US of A, for me to start a civil suit against Seven for his provoking a new placebo induced W/D symptom for me to deal with, hehehe. No worries Seven. Well unless you won the lotto and want to share the wealth ;)

That's why I refuse to share or even linger here. The power of suggestion.

[Thanat0s]

first, yawning, running eyes, then nose,
then i may vomit this tellow foamy battery acid, then my stomach 'rolls' dry heaving with enough force to likely lauch my rectum thru my mouth.

then 'the fear,' ive actually called the hospital thinking i was dying. this 'hole' in my chest where fear lives opens up. its a cold empty feel, deep and PAINFUL.

restless everything, zaps too.
MY BONES. they seem to want to rip out of my flesh, fleeing my miserable body.

depression, severe anxiety, temp regulation, saucer eyes.

food is impossible to even comprehend, but my stomach is digesting itself before moving on to the next organ.

weak. joint pain. im full of cold hydraulic fluid.

[Indy]

Just being soooo tired but unable to sleep.

And my hair hurting.

[opana'd]

I get all the nasty gut issues but the worst thing is the body temp. It swings back and forth some but mainly just hot as hell. Drives everyone nut especially me because I know the cause. :)

[clinton]

The body temp is bad, hot hot then cold cold , nonstop sweating , beads, buckets full, pain in the thighs right above the knee and as mentioned in the first post nonstop sneezing and phlegm

[Count Zero]

restless MOTHER FUCKING legs, if i could just get a bit shut eye i could grind it out. bastard.

No doubt that's it for me as well. The rest of it sucks, but the rls is my bad, I get it in a small way after more than a few days on pods, nowadays it's the first and only symptom, reminds me to chill out for awhile. I remember one particularly delightful kick after a roughly 8 year run when I stepped back from the nightmare and thought-wow the only part of my body on the bed is my head and neck and shoulders-the rest was pointed straight at the ceiling and flailing away. It was interesting, it was like I was observing someone else having wds, I even remember thinking at least I'm getting some excercise.

--- auto merge ---


That's why I refuse to share or even linger here. The power of suggestion.

No shit, I'm worried they're going to suggest me into wds and I haven't had a proper habit in years. If I have to suffer I at least want some upside.

[borohydride]

The term "restless legs" doesn't come close to describing the torture of this symptom. For me, it also applies to my arms, back and shoulders. If I could tear off my skin, I would. "Restless" makes it sound like a minor irritation. It's like rats nibbling at your flesh from the inside out. .

Hence the argot 'kicking the habit'...

[danny]

No doubt that's it for me as well. The rest of it sucks, but the rls is my bad, I get it in a small way after more than a few days on pods, nowadays it's the first and only symptom, reminds me to chill out for awhile. I remember one particularly delightful kick after a roughly 8 year run when I stepped back from the nightmare and thought-wow the only part of my body on the bed is my head and neck and shoulders-the rest was pointed straight at the ceiling and flailing away. It was interesting, it was like I was observing someone else having wds, I even remember thinking at least I'm getting some excercise.


when i say 'restless legs' count im being gentle, i remember distinctly a rattle off heroin AND methadone when i was younger when i wrapped two belts round my legs, tied them tight and got someone to sit on my legs, no good, they couldnt stay there for any length of time without being kicked off by the twitches...fucking horrible, the absolute pits, as ive got older i get weird shit like panic attacks and fucked up blood pressure etc, as a young un rattling i knew i was sick, but i knew it werent gonna kill me, now it feels like theres a strong possibility that it is, ive never had that before and it scares the mud out of us....

[Cherry's Jubilee]

Restless legs and the hair that's not really there but feels like it's wrapped round a tonsil.

YES! Wtf is that???? I fucking hate that most of all, second only to the feeling that somehow my insides are falling out and I have to curl up in the fetal position to hold it all in. And it scares my dog. :(


Physically,low blood pressure-feels like the life force has been cut off,a truly terrible feeling,but the WORST by far are the pychological symptoms-depression,suicidal depression.
First sympton is always yawning,closely followed by watering eyes,runny nose et al.It's like the bodies reanimating.
That's enough-I don't like thinking about it to be honest.

Right with ya there. Bye bye to this thread.

[Benz]

^
So true. It sounds so simple - just wait it out. But every day is like a month. And when one day finally ends, another fucking begins. And just the thought of going through a new day, every day, empty and anxious and restless and raw, is terrifying.


The most recent symptom I've picked up is extreme sexual arousal. Painfully so. I have to sleep with a pillow between my knees so nothing brushes past my girl parts. There is nothing pleasant about it. Sucks.



Involuntary ejaculation after a particularly hefty habit was nasty too. Shouldn't have been but it was.



Benz

[borohydride]

Involuntary ejaculation after a particularly hefty habit was nasty too. Shouldn't have been but it was.

So, if wanking ever becomes an olympic event, we already have a training schedule sorted out? Hmmmmm..... never noted a particular problem myself & GF isn't so polite as to not mention it should it be an issue...

[danny]

So, if wanking ever becomes an olympic event, we already have a training schedule sorted out? Hmmmmm..... never noted a particular problem myself & GF isn't so polite as to not mention it should it be an issue...

tellin you my man, the instant i start clucking, if i touch it (trust me no one else is going to when im in that state) it spits, if wanking becomes an olympic sport all you got to do is keep me and benz off the kit for a couple days, gold and silver guaranteed...i want fuckin premiership footballer wages to rattle though, fuck a gold medal, whats that gonna fetch us at crack converters?

[borohydride]

tellin you my man, the instant i start clucking, if i touch it (trust me no one else is going to when im in that state) it spits, if wanking becomes an olympic sport all you got to do is keep me and benz off the kit for a couple days, gold and silver guaranteed...i want fuckin premiership footballer wages to rattle though, fuck a gold medal, whats that gonna fetch us at crack converters?

Swings & Roundabouts - what you save on gear, you spend on tissues (or socks ;-)

[OpiatedChronically]

tellin you my man, the instant i start clucking, if i touch it (trust me no one else is going to when im in that state) it spits, if wanking becomes an olympic sport all you got to do is keep me and benz off the kit for a couple days, gold and silver guaranteed...i want fuckin premiership footballer wages to rattle though, fuck a gold medal, whats that gonna fetch us at crack converters?

you ever whacked yourself enough on those days to the point that eventually nothing comes out? And it doesn't feel as good? Fascinating to me how the body behaves when you're kickin....hell, what else are ya gonna do with the time? 'Least it releases endorphins.....

[danny]

you ever whacked yourself enough on those days to the point that eventually nothing comes out? And it doesn't feel as good? Fascinating to me how the body behaves when you're kickin....hell, what else are ya gonna do with the time? 'Least it releases endorphins.....

yes and yes, i been to the dry cough stage without clucking as well, me and my babys mom had a relationship that was sex and hate.

[OpiatedChronically]

yes and yes, i been to the dry cough stage without clucking as well, me and my babys mom had a relationship that was sex and hate.

glad I'm not the only one, that could have been embarrassing lol j/k sex and hate, addicting in and of itself sometimes isn't it?

[danny]

glad I'm not the only one, that could have been embarrassing lol j/k sex and hate, addicting in and of itself sometimes isn't it?

aye it was with me and her, i was only a kid at the time, so was she

[Buckshot]

I get the unusual symptom of having to very frequently urinate. Like seriously getting up 6 or 7 times in a night to piss. As soon as I fall asleep I wake up and lie in bed in disbelief that I have to piss yet again.

Does this happen to anyone? And can it be treated?

its happening to me right now

[Fat Pie]

Hot and cold flashes. Seriously, fuck 'em.

[starla]

I get the unusual symptom of having to very frequently urinate. Like seriously getting up 6 or 7 times in a night to piss. As soon as I fall asleep I wake up and lie in bed in disbelief that I have to piss yet again.

Does this happen to anyone? And can it be treated?

its happening to me right now

+fuckin 1. i came here to post just this.. the constant pissing. i can pee and go sit down and almost instantly be busting again.. drives me insane. by far the most annoying part of withdrawls for this chick. BLAH! it's full on pissing too. every single time.. every 10 minutes or so. :/ fuckin sucks.

as for treatment i would love to know the answer.. someone please help us out ! i'd owe you BIG time.

[Princess Kitty]

I get the unusual symptom of having to very frequently urinate. Like seriously getting up 6 or 7 times in a night to piss. As soon as I fall asleep I wake up and lie in bed in disbelief that I have to piss yet again.

Does this happen to anyone? And can it be treated?

its happening to me right now

When I am not on opiates yea I have this problem. Have had it for years. The only thing that works for me is dehydrating myself especially if I'm going out of town and I don't wanna stop every 45 FUCKING minutes.

[Cognitive_Shift]

It depends on how much i'm using.

With a baby habit of a bag a day? Sweating, hot/cold same time, insomnia, no appatite, not diareah but major fucking shits (volume wise)

When i'm using a gram a day? Suicidal idealization, depersonalization, extreme irritability, hammer fisting my theighs in frustration to feel something, periodical screaming, extreme RLS, body hurts all over, laying there too anxious to go to sleep and too tired to keep my eyes open, kicking legs as hard as i can, hypersensitivity to touch, sound, light, random boners that are so fucking hard it hurts, extreme fatigue that just laying there and breathing is a complete and utter chore.

The worst part about it is that TIME MOVES SOOOOO SLOW. Also i'm clinically crazy in WD, my thoughts are so insane.

[at&t]

Since you guys asked,

Vasopressin.

makes you not have to urinate every 10 mins or 1 hour or whatever.


ps. for myself? the only Really bad part is the Depression Despair Panic Suicide MADNESS. The rest of that shit? Even the week long unremitting zero-sleep insomnia? even the shitting and puking blood? It Sucks like None Other to be Quite sure.............................................. ... but..

Oh-- and also, the Other really bad part? Is that it seems to get that much worse EACH and EVERY fucking time as one gets older and older with time slipping by... And afaict, it doesn't make you stronger like that guy said. No... It makes you weaker.
It makes you ALL the MORE a slave to this garbage, and All the more beaten, battered and horrified of Ever trying to change.

Awful shit.

at&t

[thedudeabides]

I get the unusual symptom of having to very frequently urinate. Like seriously getting up 6 or 7 times in a night to piss. As soon as I fall asleep I wake up and lie in bed in disbelief that I have to piss yet again.

Does this happen to anyone? And can it be treated?

its happening to me right now


This is interesting to me bc With my kidney disease I have to piss all the time anyway, unless im really fuckin high on opi's..... weird

[normus420]

This thread hurts to read. Here's my special symptom.. I get sweaty balls yes sweaty balls, well its not just my balls but my whole crotch sweats and it sucks. But the worst symptom by far is the restless leg/arm/whole fuckin body. Followed closely by the horrible insomnia that cant be treated with anything but dope. yuck.

[doctor diesel]

Feeling cold to the core while drenched with sweat.
Stinging/watering eyes.
Litres of arse gravy.
And "sneegasm", where I sneeze and spurt at the same time.



Doc

[Buckshot]

+fuckin 1. i came here to post just this.. the constant pissing. i can pee and go sit down and almost instantly be busting again.. drives me insane. by far the most annoying part of withdrawls for this chick. BLAH! it's full on pissing too. every single time.. every 10 minutes or so. :/ fuckin sucks.

as for treatment i would love to know the answer.. someone please help us out ! i'd owe you BIG time.

So glad to hear that I'm not alone on this....as I was starting to think I may have had some kind of tumor or something making me piss so much.