no more shootin

[Zoop]

The past two days, especially today, I have realized that I can't shoot buprenorphine anymore. I am out of veins. Not totally out, but out enough that the disadvantages of continuing IV bupe use outweigh the advantages of continuing it (like hitting in 'weird' places, using super thin needles and stuff like that).

It sucks. I went through the same thing six years ago and they came back, but I guess they need a hiatus again.

Back to sniffin'. Ain't so bad anyways. It's just bupe, ya know.

take it easy

[WarmCyanide]

I dont like bupe, I just like the smell of it. sorry zooper couldnt resist. good luck! alot easier to find a nostril hehe

[edhorfin]

Check this out and be careful.

http://www.annals.edu.sg/pdf/34VolNo9200510/V34N9p575.pdf#search=%22buprenorphine%20gangrene%2 2

[blueflutterfly]

Check this out and be careful.

http://www.annals.edu.sg/pdf/34VolNo9200510/V34N9p575.pdf#search=%22buprenorphine%20gangrene%2 2

[blueflutterfly]

Check this out and be careful.

http://www.annals.edu.sg/pdf/34VolNo9200510/V34N9p575.pdf#search=%22buprenorphine%20gangrene%2 2

oops...

i saw this shit somewhere before....here...

hey, how long you think it'll be before bup has all sorts of erestrictions on it like methadonw?

[candy]

Better off not to shoot your Bup. Better for your veins. If your shooting the pills, no matter how finely they are crushed and this goes for all pills, the particles that are not disolved and injected can lodge in the tiny capillaries of the lungs. After time, this leads to scarring and in some cases can lead to life-threatening conditions.

I know that IV administration is good, but it is not meant for pills!

[Opiyum]

A sad day indeed...

[Zoop]

Yeah, thanks everybody. I didn't expect that thread to get that many replies. 'preciate it.

Hey, that thing about the people in Indonesia (was it Indonesia?) that shot up subutex and got gangrene, damn. I think it was Ed who put it up there the last time too. I think that may have been the only two times Ed (nice pic of Wm. Burroughs, BTW) has posted a reply on anything here! Forgive me if I'm wrong. I actually didn't look at the number of posts by your name, Ed (if you read this), so I guess if it's more than two, then I'm wrong.

Candy, yeah, I know about the possibility of PE after long term use, even after not-so-long-term use too. I've been daily shooting the subutex, two times a day (q 12h), for about 4 months. Was sniffing before that. So I guess I'll just go back to sniffing. Hell of a lot easier. Maybe some of my veins will heal up. That left antecubital vein is NOT coming back, though. My right one is gone from years ago. Been using the big vein on the topside of my forearm, that one paid and paid, man. But all good things must come to an end (and you know what, all bad things must come to an end, too, so if you're having trouble, anyone who's reading this, think about that for a minute). I am so eternally grateful to my doctor for prescribing the subutex to me. I think he might do that for several of his patients. He is a cool guy. Chinese dude.

Every time I do an injection, I think about those pictures of the dudes in Indonesia with the nasty gangrenous arms and fingers, allegedly from injecting subutex. I am puzzled how that could have happened. I have been doing it for about 4 months and haven't experienced anything remotely like that. Even have missed a few times (could count on one hand, not sure exactly how many times, though) and it healed up in about a week, no permanent damagea, at least none that I could tell. Hurts like a mutha, though. I hate missing - I never will try and push the whole shot in, like I've done in years gone by (b/c I was fucking desperate!) - I'll pull out the needle as soon as there is the slightest tinge of painful extravasation (the solution being put outside the vein). So, my only theory about those guys that got gangrene from it are:

1. They were doing something other than shooting subutex and just told the doctors that's what they were doing.

2. They were shooting subutex, but using very dirty equipment and possibly were shooting subutex tablets that had been partially dissolved in someone's mouth before being given to whomever was going to inject it. (I say this b/c at least in England, those people on bupe maintenance have to go to a pharmacy every friggin' morning just like methadone, and get their daily dose from the pharmacist - they have to show him that they actually did put it in their mouth too. I heard one story about some chick that was running outside the pharmacy and then giving the partially dissolved subutex tablet to some sick-ass junky who then injected it! He got some serious infection needless to say).

3. They were shooting subutex, using clean needles, alcohol swabbing the injection site and everything (like I do), but they are immunocompromised - they have AIDS in other words. That would explain the severe infections - when shooting tablets like that, even if you soak everything in isopropyl alcohol like I do, you're never going to get totally sterile stuff, because the tablet itself has some bacteria on it. Cooking the shot probably kills like 10% of the bacteria so the injection solution has germs and shit in it.

sorry fo' da long pos'

[chemboy7]

But all good things must come to an end (and you know what, all bad things must come to an end, too, so if you're having trouble, anyone who's reading this, think about that for a minute).

That's a damn good attitude Zoop; the glass is half full right?

[edhorfin]

Yeah, thanks everybody. I didn't expect that thread to get that many replies. 'preciate it.

Hey, that thing about the people in Indonesia (was it Indonesia?) that shot up subutex and got gangrene, damn. I think it was Ed who put it up there the last time too. I think that may have been the only two times Ed (nice pic of Wm. Burroughs, BTW) has posted a reply on anything here! Forgive me if I'm wrong. I actually didn't look at the number of posts by your name, Ed (if you read this), so I guess if it's more than two, then I'm wrong.

Candy, yeah, I know about the possibility of PE after long term use, even after not-so-long-term use too. I've been daily shooting the subutex, two times a day (q 12h), for about 4 months. Was sniffing before that. So I guess I'll just go back to sniffing. Hell of a lot easier. Maybe some of my veins will heal up. That left antecubital vein is NOT coming back, though. My right one is gone from years ago. Been using the big vein on the topside of my forearm, that one paid and paid, man. But all good things must come to an end (and you know what, all bad things must come to an end, too, so if you're having trouble, anyone who's reading this, think about that for a minute). I am so eternally grateful to my doctor for prescribing the subutex to me. I think he might do that for several of his patients. He is a cool guy. Chinese dude.

Every time I do an injection, I think about those pictures of the dudes in Indonesia with the nasty gangrenous arms and fingers, allegedly from injecting subutex. I am puzzled how that could have happened. I have been doing it for about 4 months and haven't experienced anything remotely like that. Even have missed a few times (could count on one hand, not sure exactly how many times, though) and it healed up in about a week, no permanent damagea, at least none that I could tell. Hurts like a mutha, though. I hate missing - I never will try and push the whole shot in, like I've done in years gone by (b/c I was fucking desperate!) - I'll pull out the needle as soon as there is the slightest tinge of painful extravasation (the solution being put outside the vein). So, my only theory about those guys that got gangrene from it are:

1. They were doing something other than shooting subutex and just told the doctors that's what they were doing.

2. They were shooting subutex, but using very dirty equipment and possibly were shooting subutex tablets that had been partially dissolved in someone's mouth before being given to whomever was going to inject it. (I say this b/c at least in England, those people on bupe maintenance have to go to a pharmacy every friggin' morning just like methadone, and get their daily dose from the pharmacist - they have to show him that they actually did put it in their mouth too. I heard one story about some chick that was running outside the pharmacy and then giving the partially dissolved subutex tablet to some sick-ass junky who then injected it! He got some serious infection needless to say).

3. They were shooting subutex, using clean needles, alcohol swabbing the injection site and everything (like I do), but they are immunocompromised - they have AIDS in other words. That would explain the severe infections - when shooting tablets like that, even if you soak everything in isopropyl alcohol like I do, you're never going to get totally sterile stuff, because the tablet itself has some bacteria on it. Cooking the shot probably kills like 10% of the bacteria so the injection solution has germs and shit in it.

sorry fo' da long pos'

I don't post too much and I have posted that link before. I know the guys in the photos were at a pretty low bottom, but I found those pics when I was googling "IV Buprenorphine" or something like that, for my own education. Hell, I want a rush as much as anyone. Those pics put me off it though. I figured I got the bupe to get clean, not dirty, and it would just be way too ironic if I ended up losing a hand from a drug I got to solve the problem. Probably just my luck, too. I'm not saying don't do it, just saying be careful is all.(it sounds like you're careful as hell, fwiw)

There's gotta be better stuff to shoot. I never did shoot mine. It just did what it was supposed to do, keep the wd at bay, and quitting it after a month at low doses wasn't too bad, comparatively speaking.

I do keep that link around, and when anyone posts about shooting bupe, I post it. Generally speaking, junkies are hard to gross out/freak out, but those pics constrict my sphincter, and from the replies, I wasn't the only one...

Buenos suerte.
Ed

[HistoryofMadness]

damn, i haven't shot in a long time, but these are words i don't hear much.

i've made 'the rounds' before and had to take a break, too, and its as good a reason as any to take a break, no?

[nick]

I'm trying to stop shooting up too.It's easier said than done.Good luck Zoop,I wish you well.

[Zoop]

MY "friend" only stopped for about five days or so, then found some new ones.

So, I been doin it the old fashioned way still, if you know what I mean.

Hey Edhorfin, thanks for posting that really, I mean people should definitely see it. You should post more often! I guess I understand if you're not really into opiates these days.

For the life of me, though, I can't figure out how the hell those guys got gangrene and shit from doin that. I have missed a few times with subutex and it is just like missing with anything else, painful for a couple days, gets a little lump there and then goes away, just like anything else. I got worried before when I did, because those pictures where in my mind, but nothing ever happened. Actually, I got this big bottle of erythromycin and I've taken it for five days a couple of times (500mg twice a day) when I think it got a little bit infected (redness and warm to the touch), which helped I think. (Candy, I know it's not quite a long enough course of an antibiotic, but it did help to resolve the cellulitis.)

So, anyway, just thought I'd give you an update. take it easy yall

[dorje]

it's Indonesia they already had gangrene and could only cop some Bupe for the pain.

[Curio]

I think 3/4 of these folks hit arteries....purposely or by accident..

[Duckfeet]

My take on the subutex and gangrene is that they probably were already fixing in tired veins and pushing through abcesses and such. I've seen junkies on heroin fixing right in the middle of infections and such, because they were down to the "one last vein" deal. The other things is that gangrene doesn't just kick right in. You gotta really neglect crap that is obviously in a bad way before you get anywhere near gangrene. Different culture--who knows what kind of crappy situation these guys were in. Or whether they had access to docs. Every junky I know, knew when he had infection and would end up going to doc: aches, gets red, gets hot, swells up...

As a boy who--stupidly, I know--has put all kinds of crap into his arm. I mean. I tried boiling down my own paregoric, after something I read in some old book and got cotton fever *twice*, before I quit it. We were always fixing percs, tylox, percocets...just about *anything* that had opiate in it...and when you'd miss it be a disaster. some of this stuff was messy as hell, and not made for the way we were doing it. But I was usually kicking heroin, and sick, and took chances...

My experience is the *misses* from pills--including subs--is what causes the problems.

Christ, some of the cuts they put in heroin are horrible, too. Border areas that I often live in, a lot of the dope-fiends got the this rotting off flesh crap, they swear is coming from the new tar...

It's a tough deal, but once you go down that road...

[SpecialGuy69]

I am so eternally grateful to my doctor for prescribing the subutex to me. I think he might do that for several of his patients. He is a cool guy. Chinese dude.


Zoop- we are going to the same doc- has to be- there are usually people there for immigration shots and shit, too- right? Wow thats weird- I was readin your post and it's gotta be him!