what can be done for methylone hangover?

[SHELLEY]

shit makes you feel nasty the next day
anyone know a way around it? or at least to lessen it?

[danny]

take proper ecstasy the next time not shitty rcs, but seeing as youve ignored my sterling advice ill give you my all purpose hangover cure, drugs or drink....opiates (afghan brown if possible) and a full english breakfast, strong cup of tea with three sugars and then a couple pints of lager

youll be right as rain trust me, its always worked for me on a comedown...

[SHELLEY]

proper x has 10x the comedown
not to mention its 20-25 a pill, and often fake
methylone on the other hand is always real, free, and less hangover

will oxy and adderall help?

[danny]

i woulda thought so, but go easy on the phet, more of the first and less of the second...

ps dyou really get a bad comedown off kosher mdma? i always thought it was pretty good in that respect, it only gets brutal when it gets cut with other shit

i do accept its difficult to find tho, and people do tend to sell a lot fake shit, just as an aside ive never had a bad e-tab that was slightly crumbly, its when theyre rock hard with a laminated look its time to think twice...

[SHELLEY]

you'd think livign in miami i'd be able to find some e
but all i can find is the stuff that'll make you fry like an egg on the sidewalk
takes 2 days to fully recover, and i have responsibilities

the fact that the RCs cost me nothing really help in my decision making process

[borohydride]

5-HTP from the health food shop. You will feel better inside 60 minutes.

[viking]

B-12 and jager bombs always set me strait....

[SHELLEY]

b12? like in 5 hour energy drinks?
i really can't see booze helping my situation any
half of it is being dry/dehydrated and nauseous

5htp? i'll look for it when i go out

[TheTalkingAsshole]

yes 5-htp is the shit. little expensive, but so damn worth it.
works really well for any kind of "day-after" effect from drugs
except drinking, but i dont count that anyways.

to danny: some research chems that are around as MDMA-substitutes are actually a hell of a lot easier to manage
MDAI, bk-MDMA(methylone) and, to a lesser extent, Mephedrone/4-MMC all have an easier comedown/day after
unless of course your a braindead candy child, in which case you probably did too much
and it really doesnt matter wtf you do the next day.

[danny]

yes 5-htp is the shit. little expensive, but so damn worth it.
works really well for any kind of "day-after" effect from drugs
except drinking, but i dont count that anyways.

to danny: some research chems that are around as MDMA-substitutes are actually a hell of a lot easier to manage
MDAI, bk-MDMA(methylone) and, to a lesser extent, Mephedrone/4-MMC all have an easier comedown/day after
unless of course your a braindead candy child, in which case you probably did too much
and it really doesnt matter wtf you do the next day.

thats me my friend, i left a good half of my brain in various fields and warehouses around englands west country in the early nineties....

[Benz]

If you can afford it, a regular regime of DL Phenylalanine & 5 HTP (5 Hydroxy Tryptophan) is a good idea if you're taking ANY stimulants. Best if you get free form or chelated I've been told.

I did a detox which involved taking a carrier bag full of vitamins, amino acids & various supplements (alongside the traditional medical detox) followed by IV infusion of aminos & vitamins for about a week. I was using a LOT more drugs & drink before that.

I did start smoking brown again & am still on benzos but it's way less than before. I stopped bothering with other drugs but when I did take mephedrone it had a crash much like speed used to. I'm not a fan of stimulants anymore, when you get over 30 it takes longer to recover but if I did I would invest in those aminos. They definitely make a difference.

This influx of RCs is a bit unnerving. They'll maintain hysteria in the media & they are filtering into 'real' old fashioned drugs. Either getting passed off as something (like ecstasy or speed) or being cut with things like coke. They just haven't been around long enough for us to know what the long term effects could be.

People have been taking the likes of heroin, cocaine & cannabis for years. We know what they do & what the dangers are. These RCs are sketchy, you're lucky to get what you ordered.



Benz

[ryan5892]

shit sucks huh, I did it the day before court once thinking it would be like mephedrone, nope, I was up all fucking night, went to court with 0 sleep feeling like complete shit.

[ausativa]

thats me my friend, i left a good half of my brain in various fields and warehouses around englands west country in the early nineties....

LOL. that shit was funny man. i also think that good pure MDMA (molly) had very little to no comedown. usually these come in gel caps and not pressed tabs. its why i do LSD. there is no effects the next day at all. in fact i often feel refreshed the next day.

[TheTalkingAsshole]

thats me my friend, i left a good half of my brain in various fields and warehouses around englands west country in the early nineties....

well, i hope that didnt come of as derogatory,
i myself cant really talk shit against people who take ungodly amounts of beans, doses and whatever else may be available
the last great party i went to consisted of a 3-day speed binge followed by a 3-week depression

but i wouldnt worry too much, im sure its only harming the shitty half of my head.

[Import]

5 HTP (5 Hydroxy Tryptophan)

Yeah, it's a precursor to serotonin which is what you need to help you rebound from a entactogen hangover.

And of course oxy and amphetamine will help... was that a serious question? Like Danny said, the oxy is really what you want though. The amp will just further deplete your neurotransmitters.

I've yet to try methylone, how'd it feel? Comparable to MDMA at all?

[TheTalkingAsshole]

Yeah, it's a precursor to serotonin which is what you need to help you rebound from a entactogen hangover.

And of course oxy and amphetamine will help... was that a serious question? Like Danny said, the oxy is really what you want though. The amp will just further deplete your neurotransmitters.

I've yet to try methylone, how'd it feel? Comparable to MDMA at all?

its pretty decent as far as its affinity for serotonin/dopamine receptors compared with mdma
i believe its about 1/3 as active at serotonin receptors, but just as active at dopamine receptors
but it definitely has lacks that intensity that comes with a good roll
in keeping with that 1/3 idea, ~300mgs makes for a very interesting experience,
although, i really wouldnt take that much every time

[jill]

b12? like in 5 hour energy drinks?
i really can't see booze helping my situation any
half of it is being dry/dehydrated and nauseous

5htp? i'll look for it when i go out


Just a little warning for anyone considering taking B12 OR 5 HTP:
B12 isn't absorbed orally via the GI tract. There are some forms of sublingual (SL) available that will give you a little bit, the way to get it really is via IM injection, usually 1000mcgs/month IM.

On the 5 HTP; there are a few interactions to be aware of:

-for anyone taking antidepressants, -- especially an SSRI, do NOT take 5 HTP with it. These medications (antidepressants also including tri-cyclics, MAOI's and Serzone) could combine with 5-HTP to cause serotonin syndrome, a dangerous condition characterized by mental changes, hot flashes, rapidly fluctuating blood pressure and heart rate, and possibly coma.

-tramadol (Ultram) -- Tramadol may also increase serotonin levels too much if taken in combination with 5-HTP. Serotonin syndrome has been reported in some people taking the two together.

-triptans (used to treat migraines) -- 5 HTP can increase the risk of all side effects, including serotonin syndrome, when taken with these types of medications (Imitrex i.e. sumatriptan, Zomig, etc.).

So, everyone, just be careful if you are on other meds too!

[goagirl23]

LOL. that shit was funny man. i also think that good pure MDMA (molly) had very little to no comedown.

Your right, you just slide right off and feel great the next day. Shelley, you must not have had good E yet....One thing that I love about the bay area, there's really good E!

[SHELLEY]

i've only done e a handful of times, think i only got really good/pure stuff once
i just wanted to try because free and available and my roommate likes the stuff
i took 160, then 130 a couple hours later
was fun but nothing i'd want to do on the regular
mental fog, everything is soft, energy but also able to relax (but NOT sleep)
i was lifting weights at one point, and we took out a bunch of guns and compared
i needed to do everything really carefully, even sitting down or lighting a cig, i had to take it step by step

y'all were right about not so much amps- that addy didn't do much but keep me high and weird feeling

[borohydride]

Sooner or later the drug-chemists are going to discover p-TAP (4 methyl amphetamine) & then all hell will break loose. Reports on the long-term effects coming from Russia sound very bad indeed.

[SHELLEY]

Sooner or later the drug-chemists are going to discover p-TAP (4 methyl amphetamine) & then all hell will break loose. Reports on the long-term effects coming from Russia sound very bad indeed.

tell me more...

[clonaze-whammed]

Your right, you just slide right off and feel great the next day. Shelley, you must not have had good E yet....One thing that I love about the bay area, there's really good E!

Yep, definitely zero hangover from real mdma.
In fact you should still feel warm and tingly the next day.
Eat breakfast, shower, then head down the boozer for pints and you're laughing.
Brand new!

[borohydride]

Long, long, ever so long-term serotonin depletion. It's only been about for 2-3 years but already it's destroyed hundreds of people with it's pernicious damage. Teenagers unable to study or work & a high suicide rate. Basically, imagine a permanent state of anhedonia; there you go...

It needs a slightly higher dose than methylone (200-300mg) but once it works, it feels VERY like MDA. I don't know if the N-methyl version is any better/more forgiving.

I think it is made because many precursors are getting hard to find - the precursors for this are not...

[Spork]

Opioids / Benzos.

[Canis aureus]

People said it yet, but opiates always help.

It's serotonin depletion which causes the come down of methylone, similarly as MDMA come down is caused (but only in lesser degree) because methylone causes similar flow of serotonin and dopamine and depletion the day after.

Some meds or herbs that rise serotonin levels might do the trick (help you to feel better); though those are often such that they increase serotonin only after long term use. Well, I'm no expert in this area: I don't know which molecules (drugs) could increase serotonin immediately without ruining the next day just like methylone or E...

[Seedy]

fuck methylone i gotta say! worst comedown i ever experienced afterrr piperazines.

[chopstix]

Fuck Chinese chemists.

[Import]

Long, long, ever so long-term serotonin depletion. It's only been about for 2-3 years but already it's destroyed hundreds of people with it's pernicious damage. Teenagers unable to study or work & a high suicide rate. Basically, imagine a permanent state of anhedonia; there you go...

It needs a slightly higher dose than methylone (200-300mg) but once it works, it feels VERY like MDA. I don't know if the N-methyl version is any better/more forgiving.

I think it is made because many precursors are getting hard to find - the precursors for this are not...

It's not supposed as toxic as the chloro version though. I don't know if 4-chloro has the same subjectively awesome effect as the 4-fluoro, but its serotonergic toxicity is significantly higher. It probably feels fantastic actually, because of the enormous release that causes the tox...

I've read in a couple places that 4-chloroamphetamine is used by researchers to selectively destroy those systems in animal studies (according to wiki, it's similar to the way they use 6-hydroxydopamine to kill off dopaminergic cells).

[TheTalkingAsshole]

I don't know which molecules (drugs) could increase serotonin immediately without ruining the next day just like methylone or E...

MMDA and MDAI are just wo (very) available substitutes with little to no day after effects

i should also add that it is much more than just serotonin/dopamine that is depleted by MDMA
oxytocin is another system that needs to go into recovery after a hard(or dirty) roll

personally, idk what everyone is talking about when they say "good" or "real" E has no ill effects in the days after
any time in the last 1 1/2 years when i rolled, it was always mollie(crystal MDMA)
whether i took .1 or .5, the days after were always markedly "shittier" than the days before the roll

[Larkin]

Long, long, ever so long-term serotonin depletion. It's only been about for 2-3 years but already it's destroyed hundreds of people with it's pernicious damage. Teenagers unable to study or work & a high suicide rate. Basically, imagine a permanent state of anhedonia; there you go...

It needs a slightly higher dose than methylone (200-300mg) but once it works, it feels VERY like MDA. I don't know if the N-methyl version is any better/more forgiving.

I think it is made because many precursors are getting hard to find - the precursors for this are not...


It's not supposed as toxic as the chloro version though. I don't know if 4-chloro has the same subjectively awesome effect as the 4-fluoro, but its serotonergic toxicity is significantly higher. It probably feels fantastic actually, because of the enormous release that causes the tox...

I've read in a couple places that 4-chloroamphetamine is used by researchers to selectively destroy those systems in animal studies (according to wiki, it's similar to the way they use 6-hydroxydopamine to kill off dopaminergic cells).

I was thinking it with boro's posts and now for sure with imports.... It sounds a lot like PMA


Shelly i know this is a couple days old but take your own advice you posted about stims, eat some protein and get some rest. Im sure the 5-htp helps, but the best cure for drugs is ALWAYS more drugs... so go smoke a few roxis and eat a ham and cheese sandwhich next time. Do enough to get a good nod, when you wake up, you will be right as rain

[borohydride]

It's not supposed as toxic as the chloro version though. I don't know if 4-chloro has the same subjectively awesome effect as the 4-fluoro, but its serotonergic toxicity is significantly higher. It probably feels fantastic actually, because of the enormous release that causes the tox...

I've read in a couple places that 4-chloroamphetamine is used by researchers to selectively destroy those systems in animal studies (according to wiki, it's similar to the way they use 6-hydroxydopamine to kill off dopaminergic cells).

Think about the metabolism of this drug - therein lies the toxicity.

It is similar to PMA but less actute toxicity, more chronic toxicity.

I see some vendors in Poland are selling this stuff (along with dimethylaminorex - a safer choice given that it doesn't have the 5HT2b agonist activity).

[nick]

Fuck Chinese chemists.

Word.

Two other quick points.
1.5 HTP never did shit for me.
2.There's virtually no comedown with pure MDMA.

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Sooner or later the drug-chemists are going to discover p-TAP (4 methyl amphetamine) & then all hell will break loose. Reports on the long-term effects coming from Russia sound very bad indeed.

Yeah,I've been hearing about this drug and the general opinion is avoid at all costs.Apparently it's spread to the Baltic states and the Ukraine,which is worrying.

[Lopossum]

If you can, you should take 5-HTP or L-tryptophan in the morning, on an empty stomach, on days when you plan on using serotonergics (not sure if actual word or I made it up). Also in the morning, on an empty stomach, the day after. A B-complex vitamin and some fruit will help you out too, because chances are you were pissing a lot while you were taking whatever it was, and vitamin C and the B-complex are water-soluble. I did a lot of methylone this summer and this is just my experience (although usually when I was "hung over" from it, it was actually because I had been drinking a lot).

[buffer]

For me.. opiates. Next best thins is benzos. I like to shoto dope all day after a night of E