How to get in "the scene" at last resort

[Dilly4000]

Well swim is at his last resort. Swim has used opiates for years now for pain relief. Of course swim didnt mind the occasional euphoria from it, but that was few and far between and the pain relief is the main reason. Well, now because of some stupid things swim did swim has been cut off from his pain managment doc, and that doc was the only doc that would treat swim with strong enough meds that worked. Mainly Fentyl patches and Dilaudid. Swim would take the meds as prescribed, but occasionally would IV the D for it to work quicker. Figured that he goes to the ER when in a major pain episode and gets D IV, so why not do it his self and save the money, time and frustration of the ER. It worked! Worked very well for a while. No problems. Well, that was until swim lost his meds (or they were stolen) havent found out which yet. So he had to go to the ER and was given meds from the doc there. Well , that violated the pain managment contract and thats the end. He knows it was very stupid, but when the pain gets that high and there was nothing at home to take there was no other choice. Its a one strike you are out with the doc. So there is nothing left, WD should start sometime tommarow morning and the pain is already starting to get worse.

With a Chronic disease and many surgeries the pain isnt ever going to go away it hasnt in 10 years. So now that no doc is gonna touch him, and since hs is kinda young they already were always suspisious and treated him very badly when it came to pain meds, he has no where else to look but to the streets, and dope, he really doesnt want to but how does one do that? Where to start? swim is scared beyond all belief, the daily pain before the meds led swim to suicide a long time ago and swim cant live with that pain again. Life has been worth living again with pain that was manageable for years now. And swim doesnt want anything to happen to his wife.

Swim also doesnt have alot of money, a little but not alot. So please tell swim any info that could help, this very scared, in pain person that has no where to turn and is at his last resort for pain relief and to keep his life. Sorry for the long post. Thank you for reading.

[moviebuff927]

Sorry to hear about the position you are in. Unfortunately in this day and age getting effective pain management usually means cutting a few corners. Who wouldn't go to the hospital when they have no pain meds and the pain is excruciating? But as you stated, that does violate the PM doc's contract.

As far as scoring street dope, I would look into other options you may have first. Turning to the black market for your pain relief should be your very last option. Can you get referred to another pain management doctor? You could explain your situation (although I would leave out the part about IVing the Dilaudid) and he should be able to help.

You say you don't have a lot of money...well, if you start buying drugs off the street you might end up paying more in the long run. Plus you have to worry about a reliable source, and that is a major concern if you're in pain. If you haven't caught my drift, this could turn into a disaster if you start buying your meds off the street, be it pharms or H.

All I'm saying is explore all your options first before you depend on a dealer to relieve your pain.

[Dilly4000]

Thank you for the reply, the docs in this area are all a lost cause for swim, they all talk to each other and he has been told that they all think that he is an addict and that the whole reason that swim goes to an ER is for drugs. They seem to neglect reading the Tome of a medical chart he has. Anway, swim is going to a different hosptal tommarow and going to try and find a pain doc asap, since he has no meds left he needs help now as the pain just keeps climbing. He is hoping beyond hope that he will find a doc that will see him tommarow and help and be compassionate. but his hopes arent high. He was hoping for the info about the scene as only an occasional fix. until he can find a doc, or when things get extra bad, not the end all be all of his pain managment. But at this moment right now, he is at a dead end. Tommarow might lead to a doc and meds and help, but chances are it wont, or it will take time. Thank you for the help tho, you have pushed him back towards staying "legit" so to speak and not go to the street just yet. but if 5pm tommarow comes and he is no better off than now, then he is gonna be in trouble. He really hates this situation, but he gave up on feeling bad for himself a long time ago, but he has to do what he has to do to survive. Thanks again for the info =) He hopes things work like you said.
Thanks

[moviebuff927]

I hope you get a good doc and hopefully find the relief you seek. I just know that it took SWIM a LONG time to find an honest, reliable street source for pain meds. When SWIM is in pain, SWIM needs relief. Simple as that. And with all the technology we have today, we have simple yet effective pain relievers but we fail to make use of them.

SWIM once knew of a doc who rarely prescribed opi's, not because of fear of DEA, but because he didn't think anyone needed strong opi's. Well, now this doc has a condition in which HE needs strong opi's for pain. I just hope it was as hard for him to get as it was for everyone he undermedicated. But we all know he gets every pain med he needs. I wonder if he could go back in time would he still have undermedicated his patients?

Anyway, best of luck to you and hopefully everything will work out :)

[Dilly4000]

Thanks again , swim will post on how things turn out tommarow. Worst case swim guesses he will end up in the ER from the pain and get a Dilly shot and some to take home, least that will get him by another day till he can find a doc. It is sooooo damn hard to find a good and compassionate pain doc and when he found a decent one he fucked it up. well, not totally his fault, but he wont get into that, he is very mad at the other person that ruined the doc relationship. So the wife and him are off tommarow to find a pain doc asap. Thanks again, swim wil let you know how it turns out.

[devilsdrug]

the fukkin dumb asses of course u are an addict

[Sunwheel]

Yes, doctors have an amazing logic. "Let's see...we prescribed Dilaudids for months and months....and now he's addicted. Didn't see that one coming...uh, better cut him off."

Do they expect magical patients who are somehow immune to opiate dependency?

the fukkin dumb asses of course u are an addict

[Luravex]

Yes, doctors have an amazing logic. "Let's see...we prescribed Dilaudids for months and months....and now he's addicted. Didn't see that one coming...uh, better cut him off."

Do they expect magical patients who are somehow immune to opiate dependency?


Good point, Sunwheel.....docs seem to think that medically prescribed drug dependency is somehow the patient's problem, and one that the patient is best suited to handle on his own......that doesn't seem logical to me....

Sorry to hear about your situation, Dill.....have you considered getting some dried pods....??? I mean, they're not all that pleasurable, and they turn your bowels into concrete, but they are fairly good at relieving pain and staving off withdrawls....at least as a temporary fix....

Also remember, they will screw up a detailed drug test too, since they contain the whole gamut of opiates....

[blenderqueen]

kratom & ultram & benzos if you have them will help with WD's. also since you obviuosly have med records a mile long you coudl sign up with an OP fax in or scan your records & have hydros in hand by tomorrow of course hydro is as strong as you can get from an online pharm but it's better than nothing!
good luck hope you find a decent Dr. I dotn'understand why that violated the cotract that you went to the ER? would it still if they had called your Doc & he ok'd it? Also what are you supposed to do when the office is closed & you have an unbearable episode? I guess you have to call PM doc first & get permission huh? what if you filed a police report about the meds being stolen could that help you or convince the DR. to take you back? maybe you need to travel for a pain dr many ppl do that as well. good luck I know wd's suck so I hope you can keep them at bay!


BQ

[Sunwheel]

Doctors need to realize that addiction comes with the territory of treating CP. There's no way around it, I don't care how many billions pharm corps pour into trying (in vain) to develop a euphoria/addiction-free opioid painkiller thats worth a fuck...its not gonna happen! And besides, if you need tons of meds just to get rid of pain, I'd say that *gasp* makes the patient DESERVE a little euphoria! Addiction is the price, and I imagine most CP patients are willing to pay. Doctors should explain the risks of w/d, etc, involved, and f the patient accepts, that should be all there is to it.

Goddamn, reading this forum makes me feel really fortunate that I don't suffer from CP, cause CP patients seem to get fucked around a lot. At least there's poppy pods, tho. There's always options...(altho I imagine poppy tea is a pain in the ass compared to popping a pill or two)....

[chemboy7]

At least there's poppy pods, tho. There's always options...

Yeah right but how long will the gravy train keep truckin'? Pods are getting afully popular, those relying on them for pain/WD relief would be wise to start thinking of back-ups.

[Levity]

Getting into the Scene...

One way would be to do a Google search for drug treatment centers around your area. Get a list of them, and start calling them up, asking if they treat or specialize in Opiate or Heroin addiction and recovery services. When you have a few that do, make appointments to speak with someone about volunteering your time with them. I work in such a place and they always need people to answer phones, take out the garbage, and do the paperwork.

You'll need to pass a background check, of course. But just be up-front about everything. You're on prescribed medications to control your own pain. You can understand the draw of abuse and the pains of withdraw and addiction, so you want to give back to your community. Just be nice, honest, upfront, well dressed, and present yourself as a concerned citizen.

Ideally, you'd either be offered a low paying job or a volunteer position for a few hours a week. Take it, and congratulations. Welcome to the single greatest resource for potential hook-ups. You'll be exposed to literally hundreds of junkies.

Make some friends, get a few dealer's numbers, and you're set.

Option number two is a bit trickier, but less time intensive. The homeless are your best bet for information on the street. Take a poll of ten or so homeless guys, asking if they know where to get dope. Give them a few bucks for helping you, and offer even more if they can introduce you to a connection.

Beware of the hood or black corner dealers. This isn’t racist, but in my experience, black dealers and neighborhoods only deal in powder cocaine, crack cocaine, and a bit of weed. But, if you can make a friend through a homeless guy, he could always try to hook you up. Money talks in these situations; don’t show too much, but don’t be afraid to let it be know you’re willing to pay a finder’s fee for a good connection.

But aside from that, if you have a legit need and legit, documented injuries or disease, you can find a doctor who will help you. Don’t give up. If you need any more advice or anything, PM me.

[repeek]

Do be wise as well Dill, most pain centers do a drug screen before taking on new patients. You sure don't want to be dirty when you find that Dr. Right.

[Dilly4000]

Well swim went to the docs and it was the best doc experience EVER! They treated swim very well and discussed all sorts of ways to treat the pain, even non opioid ways. He was given meds to get by until insurance kicks in and he can get better meds. the docs knew WAY more than any other doc, not just pain docs than swim has ever been to. So things are going very well and swim wont have to go "to the streets" for his pain relief. Whcih he is very happy about. Swim knows he likes the euphoria, who wouldnt :P, but the relief of pain comes first and he is gonna be a million times more careful not to do something wrong to mess up with these docs. He thanks all of you for the info and help, hopefully thing will be looking up from here on out.



PS: swim also went to a new doc for his condition and disease and WOW he was awesome too and things should be better there too. Just an all around good day when it came to docs for swim.

[moviebuff927]

That's good news, Dilly! I'm really glad everything worked out the way it did. Things do actually work out the way you want them to SOMETIMES. But don't get your euphoria give you a big head or you might mess this connection up as well. Just like you said, first comes pain relief, then pleasure. But first and foremost is your physical pain relief. Last and by far is your wanting to do it for the pleasure. I know it's hard, damn it's hard. But you've got to do it so you can make your shit last, bro.

Take care.

[LayinLow]

Well swim went to the docs and it was the best doc experience EVER! They treated swim very well and discussed all sorts of ways to treat the pain, even non opioid ways. He was given meds to get by until insurance kicks in and he can get better meds. the docs knew WAY more than any other doc, not just pain docs than swim has ever been to. So things are going very well and swim wont have to go "to the streets" for his pain relief. Whcih he is very happy about. Swim knows he likes the euphoria, who wouldnt :P, but the relief of pain comes first and he is gonna be a million times more careful not to do something wrong to mess up with these docs. He thanks all of you for the info and help, hopefully thing will be looking up from here on out.



PS: swim also went to a new doc for his condition and disease and WOW he was awesome too and things should be better there too. Just an all around good day when it came to docs for swim.

Awesome Dilly, I was pulling for ya. I'm glad you found a good Dr. If I may ask, what meds is he going to put you on when your insurance kickis in? And what meds did he give you to "get by" on? Sorry for being so nosey, I just wanna know. :o

[Sunwheel]

Really? That sucks...kratom is getting popular too. I've heard some head shops sell it...fucking sucks! I've toyed around with the idea of getting pods, but never decided to take the plunge...I figured it might make my lesser opies that I enjoy not so enjoyable anymore...

Yeah right but how long will the gravy train keep truckin'? Pods are getting afully popular, those relying on them for pain/WD relief would be wise to start thinking of back-ups.

[Dilly4000]

Well swim was given hydromorphone, so something he is used to, this is just to get by until insurance kicks in cause it is cheaper than other stuff it seems. He isnt sure what other things the pain doc is thinking about when Ins starts. Swim is being a "good Boy" with the meds now. Pain has been brutal so he has had to use the meds often and they arent as effective as they used to be, but its better than nothing and no WD's to worry about, worse comes to worse just 1/2 a pill will stop WD's. He does NOT want to mess up this. He hopes to talk to the doc next week and discuss other possible meds that would be more effective but that will have to wait for now. Thanks for all the well wishes. He really appreciates it. Not many people out there understand, but you guys "get it". Thanks again!