Health tips for those that sniff their opana!

[Junkette]

I strongly urge all of you who snort your opana to frequently netty-pot and use saline nasal spray after doing your rails. I noticed that after doing opana er for about a week straight I started to develop a strange smell. Basically what it was, was old opana crusted up in my sinus cavity. Ever since I have been both netty-potting at least once a day and using a saline nasal spray. Not only does the opana seem more effective, my sinus' aren't hurting. :tongue:

[ausativa]

or just chill, till the next episode.

[Dutch]

LOL @ netty-pot in verb form!

[PharmBandit]

Junkette: Thank you for these tips and advice, SWIM rails Opana a few times pretty much every day and is almost always stuffed up/has some nasal clogging. He usually talks like he is sick.

I was wondering if you would care to elaborate on the health risks associated with sniffing Opana ER.

Over time, do you think the gel matrix could cause issues such as a deviated septum, or similar issues etc.?

Anybody's input on this subject would be greatly appreciated.

I really dont know much about the sensitivity of the nasal cavity and what exact fillers/binders/matrix/chemicals are in opana and the direct/long term effect on the sinuses. As I dont expect people to know but if you do know anything that would be a start to gaining more HR information and tips like the OPs.

But to come to think of it it does seem like SWIM has had some milk out of the nose experiences since he started railing Opana on the regular. Could be nothing could be something.

Thanks for bringing the potential harm to attention as SWIM never really thought much until now about potential dangers and harm to his nasal cavity/ sinuses from sniffing Opana.
As the gel matrix is obviously not water soluble correct?

But is it not corrosive enough to do damage like say coke thats cut with anything non water soluble and corrosive,

over periods of time leads to deviated septum in some cases correct? Its late and SWIM is rly high so please forgive but

can we please explore this topic more in depth? HPs? Mods? Anybody?

Pre-Thanks
PB

[firefeind]

.....and for those who prefer DIY you will need the following:

1 cup
1 straw
1/2 tsp sea salt
1/2 c. warm water

mix the sea salt w/ the warm water in the cup until as dissolved as possible. syphon the salt water up the straw and quickly stop the top end with your finger to make a seal that wont let the water out. tilt your head slightly sideways and slightly backward. insert the straw in to one nostril and slowly release your finger so that the salt water goes up your nose. you know you've done it right if the water "disapears".

now tilt your head slightly forward and bent to the opposite side of you you started. if performed correctly, the salt water will come out the OTHER nostril!

a litttle may drip down the back of the throat, which is why i always use himalayan sea salt- it tastes much better! i have enough strange tastes in my throat already, lol

[havok]

Long term snorting of any drug will cause nasal damage including a deviated septum..

I think because of all crap in Opana ER's, that snorting opanas will do the most damage compared to other pills. I know after snorting OG oxys for a couple years I definitely had some nasal damage.

If you snort Opanas everyday, you are definitely causing nasal damage. It will eventually lead to a deviated septum. However, if you take care of your nose, it will last longer.


Junkette: Thank you for these tips and advice, SWIM rails Opana a few times pretty much every day and is almost always stuffed up/has some nasal clogging. He usually talks like he is sick.

I was wondering if you would care to elaborate on the health risks associated with sniffing Opana ER.

Over time, do you think the gel matrix could cause issues such as a deviated septum, or similar issues etc.?

Anybody's input on this subject would be greatly appreciated.

I really dont know much about the sensitivity of the nasal cavity and what exact fillers/binders/matrix/chemicals are in opana and the direct/long term effect on the sinuses. As I dont expect people to know but if you do know anything that would be a start to gaining more HR information and tips like the OPs.

But to come to think of it it does seem like SWIM has had some milk out of the nose experiences since he started railing Opana on the regular. Could be nothing could be something.

Thanks for bringing the potential harm to attention as SWIM never really thought much until now about potential dangers and harm to his nasal cavity/ sinuses from sniffing Opana.
As the gel matrix is obviously not water soluble correct?

But is it not corrosive enough to do damage like say coke thats cut with anything non water soluble and corrosive,

over periods of time leads to deviated septum in some cases correct? Its late and SWIM is rly high so please forgive but

can we please explore this topic more in depth? HPs? Mods? Anybody?

Pre-Thanks
PB

[Mulch]

I strongly urge all of you who snort your opana to frequently netty-pot and use saline nasal spray after doing your rails. I noticed that after doing opana er for about a week straight I started to develop a strange smell. Basically what it was, was old opana crusted up in my sinus cavity. Ever since I have been both netty-potting at least once a day and using a saline nasal spray. Not only does the opana seem more effective, my sinus' aren't hurting. :tongue:

+1 I noticed the same thing, I think if your snorting anything this is a good idea, for health and for maximum absorption.

[Dr. McKay]

I heard that the Ers contain silica in them so snorting them over a long time can cause silicaosis.
Not 100% sure about this, but I have read it in several different forums.

[Junkette]

I have little to know clue about the long term health risks, but I'm 100% certain that the er opana has been created to make snorting less effective, and as we all know the people coming up with these inventions (I.e. Time matrix) have no concern for our well-being in the long run.

Everyone I know irl is now using nasal spray and neti pots because of the immediate and vast improvement they have seen in their nasal health.

Personally I wait about 30 minutes to an hour and then I rinse whatever is stuck in my sinuses out promptly. When you are railing opana, the second or third lines are pretty much being wasted because of how much shit you have blocking your blood vessels at that point.

[Woody Bear]

1+ for nasal sprays and neti pots. I don't snort stuff because it's not as efficient as plugging, and also I am prone to getting nosebleeds. But I do do nasal rinses when I get congested or nosebleeds, as that helps a lot when I the nose problems start up again.

[Dr. McKay]

can someone please xplain neti pot ?
Thanks !

[JuStOnEmOrE?]

It's basically a device that makes it easier to pour a warm saline solution through your sinuses. Like literally in one side and out the other side.

[Fae]

1+ for nasal sprays and neti pots. I don't snort stuff because it's not as efficient as plugging, and also I am prone to getting nosebleeds. But I do do nasal rinses when I get congested or nosebleeds, as that helps a lot when I the nose problems start up again.

You have really found plugging more effective? That's great.

Not to sound asinine *again :)*, but , could you decribe your ritual?
I know some ppl break the pills up, some go with the pill intact, etc.

I, obviously, have never plugged,(yes, I used and read The MFSE) but, I would like a better BA w/the Opana.

Thank you Woody.

[borohydride]

I've never snorted a crushed pill. A Woody correctly says, plugging almost always gives much more bioavailability. I've snorted powders obtained from pills, but we always get out the good stuff. Watching others, I decided it didn't look too nice.

[Woody Bear]

You have really found plugging more effective? That's great.

Not to sound asinine *again :)*, but , could you decribe your ritual?
I know some ppl break the pills up, some go with the pill intact, etc.

I, obviously, have never plugged,(yes, I used and read The MFSE) but, I would like a better BA w/the Opana.

Thank you Woody.
Yes, plugging is absolutely better than sniffing, as you've got a far larger volume of mucus membranes up your bum, than you've got in your nose. Provided you are cleaned out down there first, to prevent the drug getting absorbed into faeces, then plugging will always be more efficient than snorting. You don't have to do an enema before hand, but if it feels like you need a shit, then you aren't cleaned out enough to plug.

I don't recommend plugging powders or pills, I know that plugging MDMA tablets works, but it's always better to plug solutions, because the absorption will be better, because the drug doesn't have to fight it's way to the outside of the pill before it can be absorbed. So if you have pills, it's best to prep them like you were going to use them IV, except use twice as much water as normally.

The way I plug solutions is by sucking it up into a 10 mL syringe, usually, I like to dissolve the drug in 2 mL water, suck it into the syringe, add 2 mL to the spoon (or bowl or watchglass) to wash it, then suck it up into the same syringe. I'll then do a second 2 mL wash, leaving me with 6 mL in the 10 mL syringe, and confidence that every last bit of the drug has been washed and sucked into the syringe.

Then I'll fit a 10 cm length of silicone tubing to the end, lubricate the tubing with aloe vera gel, and then it's ready to insert. I'll lay on my back with my legs up on the bed to administer it, and just beforehand, I'll pull some air into the syringe. This means that as long as the syringe is pointing down, that the drug solution will get pushed out first, and then air will flow through after it, to flush all the liquid out of the tubing at the end.

As soon as I push down on plunger, I'll remove the tubing, and then get up and go have a wipe, and then wash my hands and go dispose of the silicone tubing and syringe. I then have enough time to go back to bed, and lay down and get comfortable before it hits.

I use 3.2 mm Bore, 2.0 mm wall silicone tubing, that I ordered online. This stuff is perfect for plugging solutions, and fits on to the end of a syringe perfectly. It's nice because the walls of the tubing are firm enough, that it won't collapse when you try to insert it. I have used silicone tubing that is sold in pet shops as aquarium air-line, but didn't like it because it was harder and more uncomfortable than my special ordered silicone tubing.

The volume I use for plugging: 6 mL, is my favorite, because usually I plug DMT hydrochloride, and the larger the volume is, it slows down the rush. If I would use a smaller volume, then the rush would hit quicker, and I have had a time where I collapsed next to my stereo, too incapacitated to sort out my music or climb on my bed. DMT can produce a lot of pre-trip anxiety, so I prefer to plug 6 mL solution then 2 mL, as the larger volume will produce a slower gentler push into the experience.

Now if I plug morphine, then 2 mL works great. The thing to remember is the larger the volume, the longer it takes to absorb, so the slower the rush will be. However, if you have very concentrated solution, like 0.3 mL, then if you do have any small faeces pieces up there, then those pieces will absorb far more of the drug, then they could if you were plugging a more dilute solution.

You can feel 6 mL solution when it's plugged, and occasionally this can send your body the feeling that it wants you to evacuate your bowels, however your body will absorb 6 mL water very rapidly. If the water is hot or cold, or too acidic, it will definitely send you that uncomfortable sensation. But if it's warm water, and not over-acidified, often I don't get the urge to evacuate, or if I do, then it's mild and only lasts 5 minutes or so.

When I used to plug mushroom tea enemas, I found that 110 - 120 mL was the most water I could take and still be able to fight off my body's urge to defecate. However it took about 45 minutes to absorb all that solution, so it's not something that I would want to repeat. Honestly 2 - 6 mL solution is something that I think most people would be able to handle without issue.

If you've never plugged a solution before, then worrying about the solution leaking out, is natural, but if it's done correctly, it won't be an issue. Sticking a 10 mL syringe directly up your bum would be uncomfortable, because the needle port at the end is pokey and would hurt. Even a 1 mL syringe I wouldn't like to stick directly up my bum. Which is why I find the silicone tubing so convenient, because it's easy to administer the solution to the right place.

Now in your bum, you have two sphincters, the outer, and the inner. The tubing has to be inserted past the inner sphincter in order for it to be securely locked in place, and not leak out. You can tell when the tubing is in the right place, because you'll feel resistance as you push it in, all the way until it slides past the inner sphincter, and then the rest of the tubing will slide in without hardly any resistance.

Usually I have to push the tubing 5-6 cm before I can feel that it's in the right place. 2.5 mL syringes are so short, that I don't think that even if you stuck one all the way inside, that it would reach far enough. Which is why if you plug solutions, it's always worthwhile to attach a length of silicone tubing to the end. See my avatar for a picture of a 10 mL syringe with the tubing attached.

After plugging the solution like that, it will not leak out, unless you consciously try to relax your hole. So after plugging a solution, you don't have to keep your ass in the air. You can get up and stand up immediately. I've plugged solutions and after cleaning up, immediately sat down in my chair. The only time I've had a problem with it leaking out, was when I was using large volumes of mushroom tea, but 6 mL of solution is not going to cause people who don't need diapers a problem.

[Fae]

Thank you Woody for taking the time to explain everything so indepth.
I'm printing out your post to keep.
+100

[duck]

Lol. I hope you have a date over sometime and they find that guide printed out.

[Junkette]

I want to point out that women can plug things vaginally as well. What you need to do is create a solution, soak it in a tampon, and insert it into your vagina. The worst possible outcome from this would be a yeast infection...but that is easily remedied.

[Woody Bear]

I want to point out that women can plug things vaginally as well. What you need to do is create a solution, soak it in a tampon, and insert it into your vagina. The worst possible outcome from this would be a yeast infection...but that is easily remedied.
If you soak the Opana solution into a tampon, then it will stay in the tampon, and plugging the tampon will not get you high. Now if you were to soak the Opana solution on to a small piece of kitchen roll, and it was concentrated enough, then it would be possible to feel it if you plugged it, as it would work similar to the Fentanyl patches.

However soaking Opana solution into a tampon, would be like taking a Fentanyl patch, and extracting the fentanyl and soaking it into a whole roll of toilet paper, and then duck taping the toilet paper roll to your skin.

Sure there will be some small amount of Fentanyl escaping the roll and absorbing into your skin, just like there would be some small amount of Opana diffusing out of the tampon and being absorbed vaginally, but in both cases, the amount of absorption would be so low, than no one would be able to feel it.

[Dr. McKay]

my wife was telling me the same thing about tampons and how this would not work!

[OxyGTP]

What about with the IR's? Any negative effects?

BTW Snorting Opana > Plugging - At least that is how it is with the IR's.

[Dr. McKay]

So I went out and bought the nasal spray. I have been shooting a bunch of that stuff up nose to clear it out in between sniffing my opana. Yes it does work very well to get out the gunk, but now I am having a new problem.. I am getting a darn bloody nose from this.
Never happened before I started using the saline nasal spray. It is not like blood is dripping out of my nose, but when I either blow my nose after putting the saline in or maybe using a Q tip up there I am getting a bit of blood from one nostril.
Is ther anything I am doing wrong ?

[durden]

Woody, thanks from me too regarding the plugging info.

I wanted to add one thing, regarding insufflation...

I've noticed that When I snort for several days straight, at some point I lose almost all efficiency. I realize that some of this is simply tolerance, but there's something else going on... I think someone else put it best when they said, after a while, your blood vessels are so covered in gel that none of the drug is getting through. So when I get to this point, I feel the clumps just go straight through after a couple of swallows, and they end up in my stomach.

Even worse, I think when this happens that the percentage getting into the lungs goes up. If I snort for anything close to a week, I always develop a bad cough. A couple of times it has gotten really bad, and the most recent time, I think I developed a pretty serious infection. I sounded like a fish out of water (and felt like one), and had to go to the doc, who said it was asthma (dunno about that) and gave me a couple of inhalers (which helped).

So,

1 - I think a nasal wash is a good idea, even if just to improve bioavailability once the sinus tissues are gelled up.
2 - I think it's bad when it gets into your lungs
3 - The combination of these things has let me to seriously consider IV (and plugging).

Also, if one searches the web, there is a "straw" method somewhere, which seems to help. Basically you load the powder into a bendy straw that's been shortened. You put one end in your mouth, and one in the nostril. Then, carefully, you blow into the tube. It shoots it into your nose, but closes off your throat so that (in theory at least) none of the powder goes down your windpipe. I've only tried it a few times but it seemed to work.