Detoxing with loperamide

[LadyH]

Hello, I have read some interesting stuff about loperamide recently. I would like to begin my detox from heroin tomorrow. I am wanting to get clean for myself, as well as because I have a drug test on June 1st. What I hope to do is take the loperamide to get off of the heroin. If I am able to handle the withdrawals with just the loperamide, that would be ideal. If not, I have maybe 4 suboxone 8mg tablets to use as well.
I have been using heroin for about 3 years now. I use about .2 or .3 of a gram daily, IV. I've been clean before with the help of suboxone. I would just like to use it for a rapid detox now. If that's not possible, then I will just get on a sub maintenance routine with a doctor. The only problem with that is finding a doctor that is accepting patients right now.
I want to know how many milligrams of loperamide to take, how big of a box of Imodium to buy, and if it will make me test positive on my drug test. I also want to know how long I would have to wait to take my suboxone after taking the loperamide, since it is an opioid. Would it have any effect on when I can take my suboxone?
Is there any way you could help me with a tapering schedule concerning the loperamide?
Thanks so much for all of your help!

[LorTabitha]

June 1st as in next week?

You're cutting it REALLY close. It's 3 days minimum usually for the h to leave your system.

[Larkin]

I posted a similar thread in "other pharms". Unfortunately most of it was lost due to the forum going down. But i prefer lope over bupe any day. I just switched from lope to bupe and it sucks IMO. With bupe, i still sweat and have diarrhea as well as goosebumps. With lope i felt totally normal, sometimes even had good energy. With bupe i still feel like shit.. Although im using very low dose .25mg to .5mg. Because i plan on jumping soon. But lope is awesome for taking breaks and i def tapered with it.

Walmart sells 72ct bottles for $5, dollargeneral sells 72ct for $7. I feel the DG brand are a little better. Buy the bottles not the blisterpacks. Popping out 30-50 pills from foil is no fun!

I love the long half life, because when you wake up the next day you usually have a few hours of feeling decent still. I know when i feel like shit i take more to over compensate. But if i can dose while feeling well i can keep it relatively low. I jumped from 48mg and felt pretty shitty. hence the bupe

[Junkette]

I detoxed off a year h/opana/ whatever the fuck else I could get run with 1 8 mg sub film. I took 1/2 a mg every 12 hours and by day seven i was fine. Don't get me wrong the mental has been a nightmare but its worked out so far. I feel better than I have in a long time and I've been sober for the longest I have been in over a year. In your situation I would just use the sub. Wait till you're sick as fuck and go for the gold. Start small and just ride it out. You aren't going to feel great and you might still crave but that is the way it goes.

Lope could help you but the subs will be way more effective and they don't show up in pre employment drug screens. The h should be out of you system in 3 days as long as you eat right, drink a lot of fluids and pray your dope hasn't been cut with benzos because those take a good month to flush.

[JonnyM]

I am going to disagree with Junkette. I have used both lope and bupe in staving off withdrawals, and I will always prefer lope.

In fact I have a box of 800 (1600mg) for emergency backup. I can take about 100mg and feel completely normal.

If you decide to go this route on amazon.com type loperamide 800 and you will see some pretty good deals.

[skeezerjohns22]

Another good thing about lope is you don't have to worry about PWD's. You can pop some the last day/night of your H usage...Wake up, pop some more (if needed).

Fuck the dreaded "in-between/on the verge of" sickness that you have to grind out before taking bupe.

edit: If you go the lope route, i would suggest starting with 50mgs (25/2mg pills)...You also might want to throw some stool softeners in your cart if constipation is a problem for ya...However, I find that lope constipates me NO MORE than any other opiates.

[blinky89]

Another good thing about lope is you don't have to worry about PWD's. You can pop some the last day/night of your H usage...Wake up, pop some more (if needed).

Fuck the dreaded "in-between/on the verge of" sickness that you have to grind out before taking bupe.

edit: If you go the lope route, i would suggest starting with 50mgs (25/2mg pills)...You also might want to throw some stool softeners in your cart if constipation is a problem for ya...However, I find that lope constipates me NO MORE than any other opiates.


before i got scripted tramadol and had to get by on lope, the lope actually was LESS constipating than the oxy,hydro,morphine, or whatever else i had been taking. i see a lot of people say they are worried about taking lope bc of being constipated.....but in reality i go to the bathroom more when on lope than when real opiates.

back to the OP.....

as others have said, ide go for a mason jug full if you can find it :) i would suggest taking whatever it takes to get your WD under control first, then after that dosage is established, start trying to taper down. maybe taper down 6mg a week? you could adjust one way or the other after you see how it goes.

i wish there was a way to be a little more helpful here, but as we all know, kicking sucks no matter what you do. good luck to you and i hope it works out

[More Feen]

I know there's a lot to be taken into consideration when detoxing.

I will voice/advocate for the "under dog" here---your gastro-intestinal (GI) system.

Just giving a reminder to those about to take any opiate (morphine, H, loperamide, bupe, codeine, HM, etc...), especially a large dose:

It may be unpleasant (the subject & action), but you might want to let your previous opiate work its way out of your system enough to have a couple of good bowel movements before hitting your next opiate (in this case, loperamide).

I like loperamide and am thankful that its easily available & inexpensive, but if your guts are still jammed from previous opiates, and you whack 'em with more of a constipating medicine, it can make things rougher for you.

The first time I tried loperamide for detox, a 20mg dose--only 10 pills, I had very bad gut cramping for a day and a half.

Now, I will usually try to wait for a couple of good movements before hitting the lope--especially if I feel bloated.

All in all, regardless of which opiate(s) you are using, or the reason(s) you are using them, remember to take care of your GI system: starting from the very first dose of an opiate.

Your guts will thank you.

M F
(on behalf of your Stomach, Duodenum, Jejunum, Ileum, Cecum, Colon, Rectum, Anus & Associated Sphincters)

PS- Your body has a limited ability to gid rid of any poisons, toxins and chemicals you ingest or produce; keeping them in the body longer than needed (as happens with constipation) should be avoided.

[Pantopon Pete]

M F
(on behalf of your Stomach, Duodenum, Jejunum, Ileum, Cecum, Colon, Rectum, Anus & Associated Sphincters)



Ha!
Associated Sphincters!
Too Funny Morfy

[syntheticlove]

OH BOY,

After 10 years of opiate madness, I feel that this 'LOPE' is my only option left. I've been using Black Tar Heroin for the last 8 weeks in an effort to get over 4 years of heavy methadone and suboxone use. The last 2 weeks have been fun times that I did not need to do but once the Heroin gets on your mind, the compulsion is VERY hard to stop. Especially, when I get good clean heroin for $50/gram.

The methadone WRECKED my colon and digestion. Constipation became such a problem with 'done and subs that I don't know where to begin. I tried loperamide 2 months ago but could not hold down more than 12 pills/24mg.

Yesterday, I ate like 30mg of lope and hoped it would help me this morning. NOTHING, I was at the spot copping my 'LAST' .5 grams of BTH for the 10th time in 14 days.

Because of my extreme constipation problems, I even took 4-5mg bisacodyl(laxative) for 2 days starting several days ago. The reason being that I didn't want to be dangerously constipated/backed up during the 3-4 day loperamide treatment.

Right now, I am about to do my cotton shot after doing .5 BTH earlier today. I cannot hold onto my dope anymore. I have to do what I get right away and my tolerance is starting to sky rocket.

I really don't want to ever take more than 40mg of Lope at a time and certainly not more than 100mg/day. Lope and BTH are the only thing I have access to. and diphenhydramine/benadryl.

What are other's taking for a serious 'little' habit like mine???

[jsep]

OH BOY,

After 10 years of opiate madness, I feel that this 'LOPE' is my only option left. I've been using Black Tar Heroin for the last 8 weeks in an effort to get over 4 years of heavy methadone and suboxone use. The last 2 weeks have been fun times that I did not need to do but once the Heroin gets on your mind, the compulsion is VERY hard to stop. Especially, when I get good clean heroin for $50/gram.

The methadone WRECKED my colon and digestion. Constipation became such a problem with 'done and subs that I don't know where to begin. I tried loperamide 2 months ago but could not hold down more than 12 pills/24mg.

Yesterday, I ate like 30mg of lope and hoped it would help me this morning. NOTHING, I was at the spot copping my 'LAST' .5 grams of BTH for the 10th time in 14 days.

Because of my extreme constipation problems, I even took 4-5mg bisacodyl(laxative) for 2 days starting several days ago. The reason being that I didn't want to be dangerously constipated/backed up during the 3-4 day loperamide treatment.

Right now, I am about to do my cotton shot after doing .5 BTH earlier today. I cannot hold onto my dope anymore. I have to do what I get right away and my tolerance is starting to sky rocket.

I really don't want to ever take more than 40mg of Lope at a time and certainly not more than 100mg/day. Lope and BTH are the only thing I have access to. and diphenhydramine/benadryl.

What are other's taking for a serious 'little' habit like mine???

I understand you not wanting to take much, but you have to take more lope than that for it to be effective. Try 90 milligrams. Or more. Nothing less would hold me when I had a habit like what you're describing.

I understand that the advice to "take more" may seem like the opposite of HR, but really, it's either that or you run back the dope spot. Try it--it'll hold you. Decrease when you can (day three)...

[More Feen]

Ha!
Associated Sphincters!
Too Funny Morfy

I like to remind people, as often as possible, that the Butt has 2 (TWO) sphincters:

#1 : is involuntary, it lets you know "sumpins knocking ** ** "

#2 : is mostly voluntary (after being toilet-trained), allows some discretion as to when and where a load is to be dumped.

M F

[ausativa]

if you are trying to get clean from opiates dont take lope. as soon as you quit taking it you will be withdrawal by the next day

[syntheticlove]

Withdrawing is no big deal.
It's just that jump out of you skin withdrawal from shooting Black Tar Heroin everyday accompanied by nonstop vomiting that gets me.

I plan on taking 100mg of Lope for 2 days with a maximum of 5 days lope use.

Would it help me to take my dose tonight or part of it? It takes about 18 hours for the loperamide to reach full blood serum levels.

The morning sick by 10am is what makes me run to the spot.

[Indy]

For me loperamide takes a really long time to kick in and lasts a really long time too. Sometimes what I'll do is take like 6 pills (12 mg) every hour until I'm good.

[Larkin]

For me loperamide takes a really long time to kick in and lasts a really long time too. Sometimes what I'll do is take like 6 pills (12 mg) every hour until I'm good.


I like to take my lope all at once, i feel like it takes about 2 hours to be fully kicked in... dry mouth, crossed eyes (if you take too much)

Lope is honestly a gift and a curse. Its amazing for WD, but that gave me the excuse to use. "oh ill just taper down with lope after my oc/h runs out".. haha yeah, i havent had oc in almost 6 weeks. I stopped taking lope and made 1 8mg sub last a loooong time. I still have about <1mg left that i will try to get 3 days out of. Then most likely back to the lope.

I would jump, but i will have to be around my gf and her family and do all kinds of stuff that is miserable in any degree of WD. SO, ill maintain on lope for a few more weeks. my tolly has gotten low. I should be ok with <50mg a day. SHOULD be

[irish]

If you are having really major constipation problems then pick up some mirilax. I have found that since it is more of a stool-softener/lube, it really cuts down on the cramping issue. Take a good amount of it too, get yourself cleaned out, you will feel a lot better, I take one of those little medicine measuring cups full to the top every 2 days or so, and it keeps things moving very smoothly. These are the little clear cups that measure up to 2tbs or about an ounce of liquid.

[babyd]

I'm going to try lope for the first time in 6 days (gotta get through my PM appt first). This may seem like a dumb question, but can I still have lope in my system and take bupe? I have 4 subs to help out with this kick. I figured I would start out on lope for about 3 days and then switch to a very low dose of sub for a few more days. Has anyone tried this and had success?

[Indy]

You can get precipitated withdrawals from loperamide and buprenorphine. And it's an especially bad switch to make because lope lasts soooooo long. Do it like .125 mg (1/8th of 1/8th of an 8 mg pill) at a time and if you start feeling worse, stop.

[jsep]

Withdrawing is no big deal.
It's just that jump out of you skin withdrawal from shooting Black Tar Heroin everyday accompanied by nonstop vomiting that gets me.

I plan on taking 100mg of Lope for 2 days with a maximum of 5 days lope use.

Would it help me to take my dose tonight or part of it? It takes about 18 hours for the loperamide to reach full blood serum levels.

The morning sick by 10am is what makes me run to the spot.

If you plan on doing your last shot tonight, then yes. A lot of people will start taking lope after their last dose (not waiting for the sickness to come around). I would take your lope dose right before bed (or perhaps half the dose, saving the other half for morning).. Really depends. If you want to avoid any WDs at all, then by all means, start taking that shit early.

Good luck.

EDIT: As Austavia and others have mentioned, lope will just continue your habit if you don't taper. When you stop taking it you WILL still get sick. SO, you need to get through those first two days and then start taking your dose down (it sounds like that's your plan).. Just making sure that's understood.

[syntheticlove]

Just gotta get through the first 2 and then a lesser sick is fine.

I could NOT decrease by BTH use. The shit just feels so 'right'.
Last night, I took 50mg and just woke up to a slight nausea and desire to jump in car.
I just took another 60mg so hopefully that holds me some.

It is ironic how, due to constipation, I am very nervous about taking more than a few loperamide pills in a day.

Where as with my 'script, I didn't blink an eye at taking #50 10/500 Lortab or 10/325 Percocet in a days time, APAP and all..

I did have some serious "AST" levels on liver tests after about 12,000 vic, perc, and lortabs later(over 7 years). I did the liver test at the clinic, 2 years into methadone, w/ no APAP during that period.

CWE- it saves livers.

[syntheticlove]

MIRALAX!!!

Thank you for reminding me. One of my doctors told me about this when I was having massive colon trouble. He said it is 'SAFE' to take a cap full each day. I started using it last November up until I cut back on my suboxone in March. I fear taking anything everyday except HERBS and OPIATES of course. Therefore, I took 2 caps of miralax every 2-3 days.

Looks like 'lope' won't wreck my body after all. Now-TO THE SPOT- J/K...

[Amc6825]

I have thought about this before but it just seems to unnatural/unhealthy to take that much medicine over the prescribed amount. Especially something Like diarrhea medicine. But good luck

[blinky89]

I have thought about this before but it just seems to unnatural/unhealthy to take that much medicine over the prescribed amount. Especially something Like diarrhea medicine. But good luck

^^^i remember thinking this back when at the very beginning when i first discovered vic/percs....oooooh how times change LMAO

[felix]

I hope this isn't thread necromancy, but I wanted to report my results on this subject, and didn't really feel the need to start another lope thread.

About the time this thread started, I was working down an oxy habit that exploded into a real bank-buster in no time, and was basically maintaining and occasionally finding a subtle high on DHC (it was cheap and easily available). Then over the summer, I started maintaining on lope, and working my tolerance down enough to enjoy DHC a little more. By August I had come to the conclusion that it was all over for the near future, and spent about 30 dollars on 400 lope pills. I'm about done with them all, and I'm pretty much over the habit now. I started at about 40mg a day, the first two days were always crappy, I figured that was bleed-through w/d; I'd wake up in a familiar sweat, feel profoundly apathetic, etc., but by the end of week one, I'd feel "normal" (which was a very strange feeling when it happened for the first time). I tapered down a little bit every week or two, and was down to 15mg after a month. Two months, 6-8mg, and oddly enough, I was able to jump off from there. I still take lope when I want to ensure regular shits. I have a physically demanding job, and don't have time to read the news while my bowels figure out what they want to do.

This has been particularly welcome for me, since there are certain w/d symptoms (everyone has some) that I can't endure, and lope has seen me through them. For me, it was RLS. I remember waiting overnight to get some oxy in the morning, I wound up doing a terrific Michael J. Fox impersonation. Even 4 weeks out cold turkey (no lope), I'd have RLS. Somehow lope saw me through this. I had to kick for personal, financial, and circumstantial reasons (no money, or no dope to be found), so it was going to happen one way or another, but this actually worked. I was worried about finding myself addicted to lope, but aside from the inability to control the consistency and exact timing of defecation (which as I recall, is something people consider to be normal), I can't find any negative side-effects.

Side-note: Lope has done nothing to diminish my tolerance. I've played hooky three times during my detox, and each time I've found that my tolerance is still much stronger than I would've expected. I think maybe a cold-turkey w/d might have better results tolerance-wise. I recall that whenever I had to just go without everything, my tolerance would drop quickly (rise quickly as well, of course), but I think it may be a long time before I can find cheap highs. Though, when I'd only use lope for a week, my tolerance would drop just enough. Twelve weeks is, apparently, is a different matter.

Anyhow, hope some of this is useful.

[Buckshot]

Does anyone know if lopermide is chemically addictive, like our other opiates are?

Like will someone evntually have to detox from lopermide?

[GOLD N DIEMONDS]

Does anyone know if lopermide is chemically addictive, like our other opiates are?

Like will someone evntually have to detox from lopermide?

YES SIR,
used ong enough just like any opiate its adidcting and you will go through withdrawls,
The key with deto9xing is a shoirter duration with a constant taper of the Lpoe intaKe

[Fat Pie]

Opiates are opiates.