Tolerance

[Dilly4000]

Swim has been IVing D's for about 1.5 months now, there is a steady supply of the 4mg ones. Well at first swim got a nice rush off of only 1/2 of a 4mg tab. Now swim has tried many many 4mgs tabs all at once and no more rush really. Still feels nice and gets the nod, but no more of that lovely rush. How did that go away so fast? and how can swim get back to it? or at least close? Swims knows about the whole tolerance and waiting thing, is that just it, just dont take any for a while? anythign else? Any help would be greatly appreciated.

[nick]

Sadly the only way to reduce tolerance,which seems to be your problem,is time.The only other avenue,which you seem to be exploring,is taking more.This is dangerous as you're shooting.Remember 2 in the arm is better than 1 in the ground.No high is worth permanent meditation six foot under.Take care.

[antony]

too much escalation too fast.

you gotta pace yourself. tolerance is the nature of the beast. take a break-if you can stand it.

[Dilly4000]

How could swim keep taking the meds but lower tolerance too? Take less and less a day, kinda like a taper, cause swim takes this med for chronic pain, he just discovered that it works better and faster IV and that there is the added bonus of feeling nice too =) so pain relief and feeling good all in 1 nice package. So taking more is not what swim is gonna do, if swim stays at current rate to even feel anything he will have to take WAY to many at once and that is a waste. He would like to get back down to maybe 1 or 2 tabs feeling good. So a taper down, taking less and less each dose for a couple days and waiting longer and longer between doses if possible could reduce tolerence back to what it was? how long might it take? Will swim ever get close to old tolerence again and get the same rush as before? The rush and nice feelings arent needed of course, but if he can get them why the hell not ? :P
He thanks you for all your help.

[LayinLow]

How could swim keep taking the meds but lower tolerance too? Take less and less a day, kinda like a taper, cause swim takes this med for chronic pain, he just discovered that it works better and faster IV and that there is the added bonus of feeling nice too =) so pain relief and feeling good all in 1 nice package. So taking more is not what swim is gonna do, if swim stays at current rate to even feel anything he will have to take WAY to many at once and that is a waste. He would like to get back down to maybe 1 or 2 tabs feeling good. So a taper down, taking less and less each dose for a couple days and waiting longer and longer between doses if possible could reduce tolerence back to what it was? how long might it take? Will swim ever get close to old tolerence again and get the same rush as before? The rush and nice feelings arent needed of course, but if he can get them why the hell not ? :P
He thanks you for all your help.

Well, swim was on about a month long binge of about 16mg of D's/day (1/4 IV, 3/4 snort) then swim ran out and couldn't re-up for about a week. Luckily swim was able to get a scrip for 20 Vic 5mg's which did nothing but take some of the back pain away, he said he still getting cold sweats, and swim only has 1 Vic and 1 T3 for tomorrow before work (YUCK) and then swim gets his supply this Friday, thank God. So basically what I am saying is to get your tolerance lowered, you need to go to a different opiate for awhile, quit for awhile, or quit using as much for ~~2 weeks. This is just what worked for me. But believe me, I or SWIM did none of this on our own doing. :cool:
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[chemboy7]

(1/4 IV, 3/4 snort)

What's the reasoning behind that? If your going to play with needles why not slam it all?

[blackdog]

yeah what chemboy7 said um hmmmmmmmm

[antony]

How could swim keep taking the meds but lower tolerance too? Take less and less a day, kinda like a taper, cause swim takes this med for chronic pain, he just discovered that it works better and faster IV and that there is the added bonus of feeling nice too =) so pain relief and feeling good all in 1 nice package. So taking more is not what swim is gonna do, if swim stays at current rate to even feel anything he will have to take WAY to many at once and that is a waste. He would like to get back down to maybe 1 or 2 tabs feeling good. So a taper down, taking less and less each dose for a couple days and waiting longer and longer between doses if possible could reduce tolerence back to what it was? how long might it take? Will swim ever get close to old tolerence again and get the same rush as before? The rush and nice feelings arent needed of course, but if he can get them why the hell not ? :P
He thanks you for all your help.

Tapering is good for coming off. I suggest that if you want to keep your intake low, stop IVing. Ask any IV user here, and their tolerance is for shit.

Take some breaks, get sick, and you'll know why you might want to calm down. Before you know it you'll be trying to get in to see the doc everyweek saying "yea my 'friends' ripped me off again." And your doc will tell you to go fuck yourself.

[jab]

This is definately the nature of dillie though.. it has about the quickest ramp-up of tollerance of any drug I know; especially if you bang them. Not only that, but they have no legs at all, so you end up banging them more often than other opies; which doesn't help.

The best thing you can do, as is stated above, if you can't be without pain meds at all, is to lower your dose (maybe even to a lesser drug with a longer half-life in vivo, like vics, M, etc) and drop the needles. After a period of feeling a little crappy, but not altogether terrible, say maybe 1-2 months, you can go back and bang some dillies again and enjoy them.

Other then that your other option is to stop.

Be safe!

[HistoryofMadness]

What's the reasoning behind that? If your going to play with needles why not slam it all?

this is very true, fuck snorting with dillies, its a bullshit waste of a good rush, if you're a shooter that is.

This is definately the nature of dillie though.. it has about the quickest ramp-up of tollerance of any drug I know; especially if you bang them. Not only that, but they have no legs at all, so you end up banging them more often than other opies; which doesn't help.

The best thing you can do, as is stated above, if you can't be without pain meds at all, is to lower your dose (maybe even to a lesser drug with a longer half-life in vivo, like vics, M, etc) and drop the needles. After a period of feeling a little crappy, but not altogether terrible, say maybe 1-2 months, you can go back and bang some dillies again and enjoy them.

Other then that your other option is to stop.

Be safe!

this is all correct, except even stopping shooting won't really slow down the metabolization, and to manage a shooting habit by eating, you'd have to literally eat 5-10 at a time. this of course will do nothing but increase your tolerance. bad idea.

the ONLY way to slow down a bad run on dillies is to switch to a longer-lasting drug, preferably a short (3-5 day) methadone run, with very small amounts (5mg-10mg) at a time, maybe twice a day.

the ONLY way to reverse a tolerance to dillies is to absolutely stop them and other opiates for a while.

switching to a longer-lasting opiate is your best choice, because then you can at least taper some and maybe get more out of your dillies... i'd pop a few mgs of dilly and then hit a morph or something and wait at least 12 hours for the next dilly... better bang for your buck.

[LayinLow]

What's the reasoning behind that? If your going to play with needles why not slam it all?


Because I'm by myself and very new @ IV. All I had was 10 1cc needles that I got at some grocery store. I'm not going to go into this head first unless someone experienced was there with me. And the times I did IV, the rush was nice, but it didn't get me more fuked up. My "refill" comes in today or tomorrow and I would like to know what size needles to use, I know how to prep, thats easy with D's, I just need some guidance.

[LayinLow]

Well I just picked up my refill.. 20 8mg D's. Can someone guide me in the right direction on what I was saying in the above message? ^ Thank u in advance.

[Opiyum]

Typed too much tonight so Ill just ask have you tried supplementing with pods and or thried any potentiators to lower your daily dose?

[moviebuff927]

Well I just picked up my refill.. 20 8mg D's. Can someone guide me in the right direction on what I was saying in the above message? ^ Thank u in advance.

The needles you had before were okay. In regard to the size, you probably wanna go with a 28 or even 29G needle. At the very lowest, a 25G. But anything lower than that is not something you wanna be putting in you veins because it's too big. Standard BD insulin syringes, 1cc, 28G, and 1/2 inch are perfect for Dillies. If you start banging more than a few pills, you may want to get a 3mL or even a 5mL syringe because of the increased amount. But then you gotta buy needles separate (sometimes they come with the syringes but they typically aren't the the ideal size or length you wanna use for veins) and that can be somewhat difficult, if you don't know what you're doing.

[LayinLow]

thanks for the reply moviebuff, I also am checking out the harm reduction page and getting many tips.