Well, this is strange

[Canis aureus]

Hello!

I just tested kratom 25grams when top of my methadone, and surprised. It did work! I didn't expect that much, but I felt yet dizzy with 25grams of superfinely powdered bali leaf. I emptied whole 25grams instantly to the empty stomach and felt it coming in about 30 minutes. What was strangets was that it felt better than morphine...

I was taken 120mgs methdone prior to it... and I really didn't expect such effects...

[paragoric]

Yeah, I've found the same to be true, the few times i've mixed the two .....it's possibile kratom might work on some slightly different receptors

[Zoop]

I've taken kratom with pod tea and found that it adds to the effect.

I think kratom provides a really good effect by itself, really. It is definitely is a full-on opiate. The biggest drawbacks are that it tastes like homemade sin and it only lasts for about two hours, tops.

It WILL get you hooked, physically, if you take it day in and day out for about three weeks. So, be careful kids (I don't mean you Canis, just in case some young'uns are reading this).

[Sunwheel]

I love kratom...on one stretch I took it once a day (sometimes twice) for a month, and I BARELY got any w/d effects. The anxiety of anticipating the w/ds was worse than the actual w/ds....but, like I said, I ONLY did it at night when I could just sit and enjoy it after getting everything done. Its short action is a good thing in a way. But, the euphoria usually lasts about 3 hours on me, and I feel sedated and calm afterwards for about 5 or 6 hours....this is when the nods come in (rare for kratom, but if you're sleepy enough, they'll come along.)

But, that doesn't mean people should treat it like its not a real opiate or something...its every bit as mentally addictive as some "real" opiates.

Another draw back is hypnagogic dreams....fucking scary shit.

I've taken kratom with pod tea and found that it adds to the effect.

I think kratom provides a really good effect by itself, really. It is definitely is a full-on opiate. The biggest drawbacks are that it tastes like homemade sin and it only lasts for about two hours, tops.

It WILL get you hooked, physically, if you take it day in and day out for about three weeks. So, be careful kids (I don't mean you Canis, just in case some young'uns are reading this).

[jacobs ladder]

i didnt really find kratom to be all that great. It definately gave me some of the opiate sensations, but i foudn it to be more speedy, almost hullacenagenic to a very small degree almost like bud. In larger doses it made me nervous. I dont know, i mean that was just my experience with it , granted to i was using it during a period when i was taking about 120 mg of oxy a day.

[jacky]

I just recieved some confirmation that the malaysian kratom that has been offered in the USA recently is of high quality, no specifics, but this is a confirmation from a Lab that does hplc/tlc work.

what that means? I suppose the alkaloid levels are above average compared to say the bali or thia materials....but with as vauge a statement that the person made I would only guess.

its nice to know that there are other sources being worked on besides the bali growing network. I know of plants being grown in the dominican republic, thialand of course, burma, malaysia.

I think that kratom might grow in southern united states near the ocean in northern mexico as well.

I love this amazing plant!!
been growing some small trees over at a freinds house....plant will double its size 2 to 3 times a year it seems. the plant in the dominican republic was just a small cutting 2 years ago, now it is a large shrub, with many possible cutting material. I could see a person having hundreds of plants planted from just one mother plant in a 5-7 year period.

[Canis aureus]

Well,

came just in mind that plants aren't familiar yet in Europe: I have tried to get it here as well.Would love to grow it indoors as small shrub (the climate being much too cold here though).

Plant/cutting business hasn't started here, but kratom is sold by vendors quite similarly as in States. I guess it won't take too long before plants selling starts.

I really like that plant as well. It divides opiate loving persons: some really likes it some don't much at all. it has some psychedelic like properties, or the effects are more like psychedelic opiate buzz. Tested it one time with shrooms and that wasn't good. Got so dizzy that had to stay in bed whole night.