Going on the Lam

[oddler]

Hey Philes.

So over the course of the last week, SWIM committed a few felonies.

Both were in state XX.

For one, SWIM has not been officially charged with anything, but the detectives are looking for him because he was caught on video during a burglary.

Later on, SWIM was arrested for possession of heroin (in a different city same state) but released later that night- that means that SWIM's burglary isn't on the records yet, right? the burglary is definitely felony territory.

Other than that I have a clean record. I have a valid passport. I showed up at my arraignment for the heroin charge. My plan is to take the train to Canada. What kind of trouble do you think I could have at the border. Both of these crimes were committed in a state not bordering Canada in the last 48 hours. Do you think I'll have any trouble crossing the border, and then once in Canada, does anyone have advice for how to start getting integrated into society?

Thanks. Any help will be appreciated.

Also, how does methadone, Bupe maint. work in Vancouver, BC, if you're from around there?

[Thanat0s]

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!



N1GR4 u may be fux0r3d...

iknow a few people tried to flee to canadia to escape charges in the US,
it never werkd for them...

MAYBE if you hit the border before data has time to catch up with ya youll be OK, BUT...
smarter men than you have gotten held up there(re:duckFeet)


best bet is to face the minimal charges within the US and get it over with.
you can get PLENTY of drugs in jail bro...

if ya really didnt wanna do dope in jail you shouldnt have done idiot shit that lands yer ass IN jail, eh?

[oddler]

Best of luck with that master plan.

Why do people always run on the silly shit .... save that one for murder.

Also, Canada can be a cunt to get into...

Fucking burglarly .... what a joke.

loser.

Thanks for your help.

[Thanat0s]

Best of luck with that master plan.

Why do people always run on the silly shit .... save that one for murder.

Also, Canada can be a cunt to get into...

Fucking burglarly .... what a joke.

loser.
+1^1000!!!

[smackNcheez]

Personal experience: If those charges are out of Oregon, and these are your first cases, you're really a fool to run. The sentencing out of there is damned near nothing.

[pullmyhair]

I agree that you might as well just bite the bullet and get it over with. But if you must, Mexico is much easier to get into. No bupe or mdone though (except in Mexico city, Tijuana, and I think I heard something about a clinic opening in Mazatlan). Maybe you should just think long and hard during your prison sentence about how to not be an idiot.

[Thanat0s]

its nothing compared to what youll get when you DO get caught...

and dont think you wont,
with the tech we have today,
MY ASS could apprehend you!

are you stupid?!

go to jail for 6+months,
no big deal, might do you some good...

i swear in a couple years youll fall on yer knees and thanx dog for the things this XP shows you.

do yer bitch time and dont complain,
a LOT of us have done worse and LAUGH(haw haw haw!) at the BS you are sceered of...

NO ONE IS GUNNA FUX YER AZZ.
really.

do yer time,
lern from it.

you DESERVE the time u got, OK?
accept that.
U FUKT UP!
OWN it.

if u wont, well, then FUK u go to bluliite an WHINE.
OPIO is for folk with real world perspective.
understand it,
or play around with the kiddos until u DO get THE FU*KKING POINT.

get it?!

[oddler]

Son, I've had them check my bank accounts to make sure I had the funds to 'vacation' there ..... You've got absolutely NO idea what you're in for and are about to find out in a real real real bad way.
...

This isn't dodging the draft .... customs is a whole new world these days.

thanks. that really was helpful. i know i did a stupid thing, and i've had a few to freak out about it, so i guess i just got rubbed the wrong way. but i do appreciate your advice especially pertaining to your actual experience.

[Thanat0s]

Son, I've had them check my bank accounts to make sure I had the funds to 'vacation' there ..... You've got absolutely NO idea what you're in for and are about to find out in a real real real bad way.
...

This isn't dodging the draft .... customs is a whole new world these days.


thanks. that really was helpful. i know i did a stupid thing, and i've had a few to freak out about it, so i guess i just got rubbed the wrong way. but i do appreciate your advice especially pertaining to your actual experience.
??? ME?
RLY?!?!

tell me
:

[oddler]

I guess it's not so much about a fear of having to go to jail, although I certainly don't want to do that, either.

If that's what happens, that's what happens. But I don't want to spend the next two years with someone making me take piss tests or doing home checks or going to aa meetings to get something stamped.

I don't want my family to have to deal with my bullshit anymore, yet know full and well that even if I put together some clean time, eventually I'll be breaking their hearts again. So I'm not just wanting to run away from my crimes. Also, I just remember hearing things about drug addicts not being treated like criminals quite as much in canada. I don't know if that's true or not.

Than, be gentle. I'm in a fragile state. Thanks all of you for your advice. You're probably right.

[clinton]

Do you have possession of what was stolen? Are you sure they have you on tape? Have you looked at the laws pertaining to your crime for first offenders? You could go rogue in the states living life as a transient living in shelters, on the outskirts of society , las Vegas canals , new york subway tunnels.. I don't know why the other cats are giving you such a hard time- you fucked up but we all have- not saying it's ok but no reason to treat you like some pos, be safe don't do Anything drastic and think this one out

[Flowergirl]

I don't think it would be very wise to run from that. It will haunt you forever or until you're caught, and I'd wager the latter will come first.

I don't mean to be harsh with you, so forgive me if it appears that way. If you don't want your family going through your bullshit, stop creating bullshit. It doesn't matter that you don't want to be under some supervision for the next 2 years; you kind of forfeited your right to choose what you do when you decided to steal shit that isn't yours.

This is 2 posters mentioning stealing and running in less than a week now. That's 2 too many. Knock it the fuck off.

http://lib.store.yahoo.net/lib/demotivators/problemsdemotivationalposter.jpg

[ausativa]

how old are you OP?

[chopstix]

I've run from misdemeanors and got away with it, but it was 12 years ago and things are different now, plus you're talking felony so that's different..

I might try and run to BC, depends on whether you have resources there.. I don't blame you for considering it..

[clinton]

do you have money saved?

[oddler]

If you don't want your family going through your bullshit, stop creating bullshit.

I'm a junkie. I've been using opiates for nine years; the bullshit comes with the territory. I'm not a member of this site because I want to join a 12-step program and get clean. But I don't need to keep wreaking havoc in the lives of the people I care about, and I do, just by proximity.


how old are you OP?

I'm 24


Do you have possession of what was stolen? Are you sure they have you on tape? Have you looked at the laws pertaining to your crime for first offenders? You could go rogue in the states living life as a transient living in shelters, on the outskirts of society , las Vegas canals , new york subway tunnels.. I don't know why the other cats are giving you such a hard time- you fucked up but we all have- not saying it's ok but no reason to treat you like some pos, be safe don't do Anything drastic and think this one out

No. It was only a little under $900, but the victim (a slum lord where I live, who I was an idiot to cross) told the police it was $2000. The money is gone. I knew I was on tape when I stole it, I was already planning on going on the lam, but got busted for possession on the way out. Thank you so much for your compassion. I know I fucked up. I did something wrong while I was strung out. It's not an excuse, but I'm a junkie who does fucked up things. Scratch that, I'm a HUMAN who screws up at times. Maybe my plan is stupid, though. Thank you, Clinton, for your advice.


I might try and run to BC, depends on whether you have resources there.. I don't blame you for considering it.. Thanks for understanding. I do have friends up there.


do you have money saved?

no money saved, but I have assets I can liquidate for probably a few grand.

[Flowergirl]

I'm a junkie. I've been using opiates for nine years; the bullshit comes with the territory. I'm not a member of this site because I want to join a 12-step program and get clean. But I don't need to keep wreaking havoc in the lives of the people I care about, and I do, just by proximity.

But hurting your loved ones doesn't have to come with the territory. I agree that it may be more likely to, but it isn't a requirement of drug use. There are plenty of people here whose drug use doesn't destroy their families. Be one of them by doing your damnedest to keep shit in check. If you cannot because of the drugs, then you're at a crossroads facing some heavy decisions. Make sure you CANnot instead of WILL not.

You'll never catch me trying to 12-step anyone.

DanK:
Accessorized Lamb on the Lam:
http://www.art247.com/images/large/MIRRORPIX/WA/WA2989717.jpg

And just in case we need it elsewhere, I present to you:
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Emo Emu, perhaps?

[clinton]

do you have a huge record?
2000 grand, do you think youd get real time?
maybe 90 days but you could get out of it(meaning supervised pissing,community service,restitution) if you seek treatment and blame the drugs etc etc

do you really think the cops are actively searching over 2000?


do you live in a big city?

you didnt hold anyone up right?
strong arm robbery?
did you break and enter? was it a party and you saw an opportunity?

[josh667]

How much of a previous record do you have? Do you think they will be throwing the proverbial book at you? If not I would just face the music, man. Good luck, anyways....

[oddler]

do you have a huge record?
2000 grand, do you think youd get real time?
maybe 90 days but you could get out of it(meaning supervised pissing,community service,restitution) if you seek treatment and blame the drugs etc etc

do you really think the cops are actively searching over 2000?


do you live in a big city?

you didnt hold anyone up right?
strong arm robbery?
did you break and enter? was it a party and you saw an opportunity?

small town. got a few detectives who are obsessing over it but no, I know it's small stuff. Basically I went into a place I used to work, asked if the owner was there, and when I found out he wasn't I just went up into his office and snagged the 900 petty cash he keeps in his drawer. Not that it makes it right, but this guy is NOT a good dude. He hires these poor hispanics, works them TO THE BONE, crazy hours, pays them less then minimum. He is scum.

I'm not so much afraid of the time. I already was planning on going to canada; that's why I took the money, I never would have done it on tape if I had planned on ever coming back to my one-horse town. It's my first offense except a few violations.

This owner/slum lord is friends with the DA, though. It's a very small town.

Flowergirl, you're right. I'm not making an excuse, saying I can't help destroying my family. But the fact that I use at all kills them, and then OF COURSE when I pull stupid stunts like this they are humiliated and hurt. They would just be better off without me. I'm not saying that for pity; it's just the truth. That's why I was planning on leaving in the first place.

Thank you all so much for turning this thread into something constructive. I know I'm a stupid kid, but I appreciate all of your time and responses.

[clinton]

not a kid anymore,we all hit that age when we have to realize this..sucks but its the truth
once you get where youre going start with the mmt....maintenance could go a long way..if you dont want to quit then at least a
regular maintenance routine could add some stability

[candyman20]

its ur first offense, quit bein a pussy i did 3 and a half years as a fuckin kid man up i did another one and a half as an adult jail aint that bad dude honestly bein an adult in jail is much better than the juvenile system u probly wont even go to jail ur prob facin probation and u wanna flee the country damn sack up

[oddler]

its ur first offense, quit bein a pussy i did 3 and a half years as a fuckin kid man up i did another one and a half as an adult jail aint that bad dude honestly bein an adult in jail is much better than the juvenile system u probly wont even go to jail ur prob facin probation and u wanna flee the country damn sack up

Sorry. I didn't explain this very well in my Original Post. I was already on my way up north. Before I committed the crime. Now I'm worried about the border crossing.

I've never been to jail and I'm not ashamed of that. It's cool that a lot of you guys have done time and I respect it and think that it definitely probably means you're more of a badass than I am, but I like freedom. I don't want to go to jail. It's not a matter of of one month or one year or a decade of probation. I'm sure that my punishment would be miniscule in comparison to what y'all have gone through.

But I don't want to go, and have no plans to right now. My plan right now was to start a new life up North. I was wondering mostly about the border crossing, and I have gotten a lot of very excellent advice from a lot of wise people.

I'm not a pussy for not wanting to get locked up. Maybe I am a pussy for wanting to run away from my problems- but then again, how many of us who have been addicted to heroin can say that we weren't running from some problem just by using it?

[candyman20]

no one wants to get locked up but if ur down to commit a burglary u should be down for jail

[oddler]

no one wants to get locked up but if ur down to commit a burglary u should be down for jail

I never have been good at being the way I "should" I guess. But you're right; I took a gamble, and if I lose, that's just how it will be. So I'm calling it a night here, folks. If I don't talk to any of you fine folks for awhile, don't worry, I didn't OD. I'm just locked up for a little while :-)

Thanks again to everyone.
Good night.

[More Feen]

Cannot say I'd ever consider going on the lam, but, it seems like Mex & Canada would be played-out.

I'd picture buying "vacation" type clothes, trying best to look mid-class (hair cut, clean cut) and head-out to Europe (Hamster-Hamster, Damn, Damn, Damn) or the other direction, Thai-Thai. If you could chat-up a respectable girl/family on the same flight, it might help during boarding & exiting.

I KNOW there's crap I'm not considering here, but if you gonna split the country, you oughta consider leaving the fucking continent. I see Canada as a 51st state, one with some common sense, and I see mexico as a 3rd-world, spanish-speaking country, that is over-run with drug-related violence and ultra-corrupt Po-Po.

Driving a Taxi in Holland or Thailand (or other job) sounds much better to me. Hell, Thailand sounds better than Europe.

M F

PS- Good luck

[clinton]

The only guy I know who did this did the homeless shelter thing, moved to Idaho or Montana and goes from shelter to shelter - he stole three grand from his job, 1st offense - he was 19 at the time, left without telling anyone,the police found his car on the side of the highway in Montana...there was a newspaper article about him, the police and his parents want him to come back but he cant be found- they know he's alive and eating because his photo was shown to the admins at the shelters and they stated he comes in every now and then to eat, wash up etc-
The prosecutor said that the kid wouldn't have seen a jail cell and would have been put on probation for a number of years-poor kid panicked, didnt talk to a lawyer, didn't ask for help and thought he was going to get a decade in prison..think about it man.

[Baroness]

Seeing as your record is clean except for the burglary and the drug charge, and that you are younger, I'm doubtful you would get prison time. Go turn yourself in, get yourself a lawyer, and play the addict card for a plea bargain that involves getting treatment at either a half-way house type of facility or some other type of minimum security facility.

In small towns, regardless of who the D.A. knows, they also know all the other lawyers, including the Public Pretenders, and usually things can get worked out. Generally, all sides are more than willing to do a plea bargain because it gives them a conviction and saves time and money. Hell, you might even be able to work out just getting straight probation.

As for not wanting to deal with reporting to a PO, dealing with piss tests and searches of your house, and not wanting to hurt your family and loved ones: the above beat the fuck out of being a fugitive. I'm sure the folks would rather deal with a probation officer than having to worry.

Man up and get it over with. Don't make it worse by running. You WILL eventually get caught and will have made your situation much worse and can count on prison time then. The charges you have now are not really worth running and looking over your shoulder for.

[TheTalkingAsshole]

join the Rainbow family

[doctor diesel]

Do you have possession of what was stolen? Are you sure they have you on tape? Have you looked at the laws pertaining to your crime for first offenders? You could go rogue in the states living life as a transient living in shelters, on the outskirts of society , las Vegas canals , new york subway tunnels..


That's brilliant advice! You could in fact be just like Sir Digby Chicken-Caeser and his pal Ginger!
6069


Doc

[Marlboro Man]

Get off dope or at least reduce your habit as much as possible. Nothing sucks worse than a a chain gang kick. Then turn yourself in. If you go out on the lam you'll inevitably only rack up more charges including more burglaries. That's just the nature of the the beast. try to get into better physical shape. Pump iron and do push ups while you have a window of time to do this before your court date. You don't want to go to jail as a 120 pound punk. It's going to be hard for you to do dope once you get out anyway with all the shit they'll put you through. You are looking at a minimal sentence. There is no sense in spending years of your life running from the law living under bridges and robbing old women just to eventually get caught anyway.

Man up and take your lumps with a smile. There really is no other alternative.

Besides, I'd go to Mexico before I went to Canada.

[Kenzie]

No bupe or mdone though (except in Mexico city, Tijuana, and I think I heard something about a clinic opening in Mazatlan).

Actually.... Temgesic is quite common all through Mexico.

To the OP.... if you're serious about going to Canada, to hell with going through a normal border crossing. Last year I hiked the entire Pacific Crest Trail and walked my happy butt right into Canada without anyone checking any papers.

Of course.... it is a bit of a walk, and might be hard to do if you're in WD's....

[eerased]

Like the others said with your record you would probably walk with little to no jail time.
CALL AN ATTORNEY
before you do anything like running. Even if you do get into canada how would you survive after your money runs out. You are far to young to be running from such a petty crime.

Even though it seems real bad right now for you keep in mind that this to shall pass!

[upstate_007]

Besides, I'd go to Mexico before I went to Canada.


Definitely. I would take beaches, tequila and tacos over cold weather and Tim Hortons any day.

[jdub]

Definitely. I would take beaches, tequila and tacos over cold weather and Tim Hortons any day.

Absolutely. Plus your $ goes farther.

[dharma bum]

I worked with a guy on an assembly line. He taught in some Asian country just for the experience and to see dif. parts of the world. BTW, he did NOT have a college degree. He said when he got there he only had 900 dollars and was able to start a life there. I think you need to teach English. I just googled it and its many SE Asian countries. Is that an option?

What scared me about the small time i spent was I went in with a benzo tolly 8-10 mg a day of Klonopin. I worried I was gonna die. This jail here will let you flop like a fish before they help you with anything. He said money went very far there.

[Dolofinell]

Bro going on the run sucks man, sucks bad. Especially when you have no record and are facing maybe 6 I dont know 12 months county time. If you have any sort of decent life where your at- family,friends etc. you'll stay put, man up to the 1 possible non-violent felony charge you'll catch. Your 24, and have alot of time to patch things up w/ any friends or esp. family you have hurt. Maintanence can be a blessing.

I'll try and keep it short, Im 32 now w/ kids been married 12yrs. to my high school sweetheart who has stuck by and watch me hit rock bottom (like the depths of hell rock bottom). Anyhow the point, I was 17 and committed almost the same exact charge as you, no record got hit with a felony larceny $1000-20,000. Got 6mos. in the county and 2 years probation.

I did my 6mos. had a year of probation under my belt w/ 3 dirty drops that my P.O. let slide but the next was 5 more mos. county and revocation of probation. I was a year into heavy IV heroin addiction and occassional crack use, all while still sliding by on probation (barely). I had a prob. appt and drop in 2 days and knew there was no way of cleaning up that fast, so it would have been off to the county for 5 more, then free.

My dumbass had burned bridges w/ my well off family, did'nt want to go to jail and had $4000 in my pocket. So what idea did I come up with, I'll take off w/ my money start over somewhere and life will be good. Loong story short I made it 23 days, drove from west MI to Detroit shooting h and esp. smoking ball after ball the whole way. Out of money, stuck in Detroit with 4 bucks left in my pocket, living in my car most of the time, and dope sick/crack fiending. Luckily I got pulled over speeding, warrant came up, cuffs were put on and I was back in Grand Rapids doing my measily 5mos. $4000 poorer.

Anyway, out of jail, I ran into my sweetheart and eventually we got married, my father let me start working for him again on his VERY large dairy farm, which I am now completely in charge of. Im not sayin lifes been perfect, I spent 7yrs on MMT now switched to subutex, but when I look back on what I may have done if that Detroit cop hadn't pulled me over. i.e. robbing a bank or something very extreme in desperation I'd probobaly be doing 25+ with no freedom. Instead of being where I am now almost 15 years later.

I had no,0,nada thought of the consequences of my actions back then, I do now though, think before you jump bro.

[SHELLEY]

reply #1- why would you post this? what is this i don't even...

reply #2- fuckin' thieving ass burglars deserve prison

[JonnyM]

The best advice I can give you is round up any money you have to get a lawyer. This can make all the difference... some public defenders are great but they are a minority.

Secondly you probably have a 50% chance of getting into canada, but you will not be granted citizenship or a work visa, therefore you will be unable to work, get a car, open a bank account. Running is a bad idea.

you are unlikely to get more then a few months in jail.

Thirdly, the cops WILL try to bring you in again and question you. DO NOT, read this again DO NOT say ANYTHING without a lawyer present. They are very good at psychological mind games, and it seems natural to talk to them, but resist the urge and DON'T TALK TO THEM. Nothing you say will do anything but hurt you.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wXkI4t7nuc

[clinton]

Good Advice Mohawk- The cops will try to lather you up, say they have yr best interests in mind- they don't , get a lawyer

[Dolofinell]

reply #1- why would you post this? what is this i don't even...

reply #2- fuckin' thieving ass burglars deserve prison

If your referring to my post in reply #1 which I dont think you are, just giving some advice... that was the last time I stole anything.

and reply#2- there's plenty of Dr.shoppin, street walkin hookers in prison as well.

Disregard if you were'nt replying to me, I dont catch on quick

[SHELLEY]

If your referring to my post in reply #1 which I dont think you are, just giving some advice... that was the last time I stole anything.

and reply#2- there's plenty of Dr.shoppin, street walkin hookers in prison as well.

Disregard if you were'nt replying to me, I dont catch on quick

no, i was talking to the OP
and yeah but people making business transactions that hurt no one don't deserve prison like a fuckin thief does

[Baroness]

I just want to reinforce what Jonny said : DO NOT TALK TO THE COPS WITHOUT YOUR LAWYER.

You'd be amazed how many people actually do this.

[Pantopon Pete]

Emo Emu. That's what we should be talking about, people. I commend you, FG.

[Poppylvr]

oddler, I was caught redhanded, video proof, for 34 second degree felonies for stealing narcotics from the hospital.
I was allowed to plead guilty to ONE COUNT.
I served only probation; was sentenced to 3 yrs, off in 18 months for good behavior. Probation was a cake walk, much easier than my nursing board probation.
Face the music, plead out and you may get lucky like me.

[nick]

Run,run where? The days of running are long gone,man.Get a GOOD Lawyer and go deal with it.

I'm with Shelley,can't believe anyone would post this! Certainly not if you're on the clock.

[dieselbaby]

its nothing compared to what youll get when you DO get caught...

and dont think you wont,
with the tech we have today,
MY ASS could apprehend you!

are you stupid?!

go to jail for 6+months,
no big deal, might do you some good...

i swear in a couple years youll fall on yer knees and thanx dog for the things this XP shows you.

do yer bitch time and dont complain,
a LOT of us have done worse and LAUGH(haw haw haw!) at the BS you are sceered of...

NO ONE IS GUNNA FUX YER AZZ.
really.

do yer time,
lern from it.

you DESERVE the time u got, OK?
accept that.
U FUKT UP!
OWN it.

if u wont, well, then FUK u go to bluliite an WHINE.
OPIO is for folk with real world perspective.
understand it,
or play around with the kiddos until u DO get THE FU*KKING POINT.

get it?!


You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Thanat0s again.

LOL

[Saint]

reply #2- fuckin' thieving ass burglars deserve prison

O come on.. and you NEVER did anything stupid or illegal? You never bought anything that *fell off a truck*? No, really? Just really???
Well I guess you're a saint then..

I'm amazed by how *assholery* some people are towards the OP here.
So, o.k., maybe it's a stupid thing to do, maybe he's an ass, hell I don't know the guy, but at least try to give a normal answer or ignore him. He was asking about methadone clinics too, practically no one bothered to seriously answer that one.

Instead people are either bragging about their own *criminal careers* or suddenly having *holier than thou* attitudes because he stole something (oh my, imagine that.. he actually STOLE something..).
It wasn't a hold up, no guns, no violence used, he took 900$ from his boss who he happened to find an asshole. (Assuming he's telling the truth here ofcourse..).

Come on guys, it's not like you never did anything illegal or crazy.
And even if you didn't, why sit on your high horse? Looks like some of you NEED some horse badly instead of sitting on it.

I've never committed burglary but at least I can imagine someone doing it when they're 24, dopesick and desperate.

And if I lived in the US - in some places of the US at least - well, give me Canada or Mexico any day..

edit: I see at least Johnny, Clinton and Poppylvr and a few others had the decency to give a normal answer.
And Nick a down to earth one :-)


Best of luck with that master plan.

Fucking burglarly .... what a joke.

loser.

Guess you have to be going down for murder to get a normal reply here, what a fucking asshole post.
Jeez, this guy is 24 but you act like a 15 year old here. Are you high or what?

Oh right, burglary is a joke, OP a loser, so what's KEWL then?
I'm done with this thread.

[Ickyuck]

Oh jeezus, FUCK THE 12 STEPS.

[jerseygrl89]

I was charged with burglary when I was 18 im 21 now.I did 4 months & got off probation last year.
like everyone has said get a lawyer & man up and face it.I really wish u luck.
I thought this would be the last place that everyone would be so judgemental.

[chopstix]

I was a Corporate thief and anyone with a gripe can fucking blow me - except SHELLEY, she can blow me literally..

[Flowergirl]

I was a Corporate thief and anyone with a gripe can fucking blow me - except SHELLEY, she can blow me literally..

I thought you were better than that. I feel like I don't know you anymore. I'm in mourning now.

[Saint]

Well saint, you are more than welcome to look at the private messages between myself and OP ... any issue YOU think is there, is not.

And yes, stealing is way low on my list of admirable qualities .... I'm simply implying that running to another country while holding a USA passport is not going to be an easy feat.

As far as being high ... no I'm not, how's all those meds going for you?

I'm glad there's no issues between you and the OP there - I take your word for it - but I still think there's an assholery smell to that post. Calling the guy a 'loser' didn't really help much either. But whatever, if he's o.k with it, fine..

Regarding the *stealing issue*: personally I haven't stolen a damn thing in over 25 years. But I remember dire straits where I didn't have much choice but to steal, just to get by. I'm talking food here.
Also there's stealing and stealing. I do not consider stealing in Wall Mart the exact same thing as stealing from relatives/friends/family although it's still stealing ofcourse.... I was simply amazed by how judgemental some people are.

I mean, ehm,

Let he who is without sin cast the first stone eh?

(Yes, I'm an atheïst but this sums it up pretty damn well so I asked HIS permission to quote by lack of a better one)

And me and all those meds are just fine, thanks. Actually I consider those 10 mgs methadone and 1.25 mgs valium I just swallowed a JOKE.

[kdog]

so is this dude still around or what?

[Saint]

I was a Corporate thief and anyone with a gripe can fucking blow me - except SHELLEY, she can blow me literally..

I'll blow you anyway, you know that :tongue:

[clinton]

any updates oddler?

[strikks]

I ALREADY DID THIS some of you remember me i was a member of this site and got a drug sale charge. everyone on here said"don't run" but like the flock of seagullss....I RAN SO FAR AWAY.....i only delayed the inevitable and hurt my family more cause they worried about me not to mention it is more likely you will commit MORE crimes when on the run.
Well i had a bright idea....i'll move to canada i can get codedine over the counter.......WRONG...the first think they look for is if you are wanted for a capitol offense so i was cool there they didn't mention my warrants now mind you this is not a border crossing this was an immigration request. the next requirement was that they wanted me to prove i had a MINUMUM of 10 grand in my bank account to support myself until i found work.....i stopped there cause i didn't have 10 grand or a bank unless mattress savings and trust counts......my point it is very hard to run to canada unless you wanna be an illegal immigrant on the run from the mounties aye??

[Marlboro Man]

Oh jeezus, FUCK THE 12 STEPS.

I always figured the twelve steps was just some long drawn out horse shit that was completely pointless.

I told them the twelve steps was a recipe for making the shit rather than a path to salvation and recovery.

[oddler]

any updates oddler?

Hey all. I guess I was too busy running to see all the play this thread got long after I had made up my mind and such.

Well, first of all, to everyone who said you won't get into Canada, you were totally right. I get held up at the border, they went through all my shit, read all my text messages, and strip-searched me before sending me on my way back into the United States. After the ordeal with customs I was glad to be walking anywhere.

So I slowly made my way back down south. Spent a few days doing speedballs in a motel, thinking I was going to OD and save everyone some trouble. But I didn't.

Got in touch with my parents and an attorney. Nothing is really looking up, yet, but I'm no longer running or suicidal, so things are certainly better than they were.

Thanks everyone for your advice and concern.

-oddler

[jill]

Good to see you post, oddler.

I hope things work out the best they can for you.

[jimmyfingers]

Well, it is nice to see you post and that you are okay. Canada is difficult to get into if you are a perfect citizen with no record. Its pretty much impossible now if you have some troubles going on.

It really sounds like you are scared to go to jail. Its not like the tv show Oz. Your 24 and a man now. You had to put some effort into stealing that mans money knowing you would be on tape. Hence, you should be prepared to take the conseq.

My advice, get a lawyer (i see you already did)
do not talk to police no matter what
Get into a rehab asap- this looks very good in court
Start some volunteer work- looks good as well
Make plans for your future- enroll in school, learn a trade, something that shows you will be able to become a tax paying citizen that can take care of himself. This way the judge will not worry about putting you back into society under some supervision like probation.

I feel if you play your cards right, you will end up with 5 years probation. If you keep up the lifestyle like this before court, the judge will feel forced to put you into jail/prison

[danny]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ie358Z0z-4Q

soz couldnt help it

tony starks hat ftw.

[strikks]

Well, it is nice to see you post and that you are okay. Canada is difficult to get into if you are a perfect citizen with no record. Its pretty much impossible now if you have some troubles going on.

It really sounds like you are scared to go to jail. Its not like the tv show Oz. Your 24 and a man now. You had to put some effort into stealing that mans money knowing you would be on tape. Hence, you should be prepared to take the conseq.



My advice, get a lawyer (i see you already did)
do not talk to police no matter what
Get into a rehab asap- this looks very good in court
Start some volunteer work- looks good as well
Make plans for your future- enroll in school, learn a trade, something that shows you will be able to become a tax paying citizen that can take care of himself. This way the judge will not worry about putting you back into society under some supervision like probation.

I feel if you play your cards right, you will end up with 5 years probation. If you keep up the lifestyle like this before court, the judge will feel forced to put you into jail/prison

^^^GREAT ADVICE!!

[borohydride]

Getting good legal representation is vital. I got my guy (Hugo Ter Brake) to liaise with the authorities on the basis that I would only turn up when he was with me (and when it suited me). That was for a rather serious matter that WAS national news and so on. What happened? I'm here aren't I ;-) It's only $900 (well, OK, only $2000). Police forces have a budget. It's not like your picture is on the news or teams are sweeping the nation looking for you. In cases like this they will simply assume that you will turn up sooner or later. Getting onto a program & getting clean before you deal with them should help an awful lot in court. The judge has to weigh up how likely you are to re-offend. If it was to feed a habit & you have that problem solved then they will likely consider you a far lower risk.

It seems that you are more concerned about maintaining your opiate addiction. You are stealing, upsetting your family and then trying to run away. It really doesn't speak well of your character.

[sourcecod]

I second what boro says, Get GOOD legal representation.

A former tenant of mine who was renting was apparently xanied out of his mind when he decided to beat people up and then brandish a samurai sword to authorities on the front lawn of my property. He was intially facing multiple felony counts. With a bit of good legal council and a bit of benjamins, he got out of the jam completely. Later the same dude, got caught up again at his new place where he lives ( yes I kicked him out, but I love the guy), and again, facing multiple felonies, he was able to plead guilty to a misdemeanor, pony up a few grand and managed to only get 6 months probation and no jail! this is after assault on a cop!

so no matter how bad it looks, good legal council and some loot can save your ass, well, in the USA anyway. In china you'd be fuxored.

Good Luck.

[SuperJunky]

The only reason to say that your going on the LAM is to see if your being monitored and if so may soon be charged/ are facing charges. Thats why I said this at one point. I has kinda hoping something was going to happen, and then I would to have been facing 25 years or so. Not that any of this applies to you, you already know what you did and you got caught.