Quick question

[LayinLow]

I'm getting another shipment of 8mg D's tomorrow and was wondering if you can *IM* them? I have IM'd them a year or two ago (only 4mg shot) and I remember it working, but my memory sucks, so I thought I would ask it on here and see if anyone else that is into hydromorphone has IM'd these little wonders.

[devilsdrug]

maybe im a dumbass for askin but why oh why would one give up the wonderous rush of a dialuadid

[LayinLow]

maybe im a dumbass for askin but why oh why would one give up the wonderous rush of a dialuadid


Oh I know, I love the rush as well. It's just my veins are very hard to find, and while finding them, I tend to make myself a human pincushion. I was just curious really, doubt I would try it anyway, IV is the way to go.

[CUBErt]

Like I have said before, I think its pretty general opinion that IM'ing pills is a no-no. But Dilaudid, being so small, may perhaps be an exception. I have just heard horror stories about abscesses, etc resulting from IM'ing pills. I have never used needles, but in my opinion, if I was going to be sticking a needle in myself, I'd just go all the way and go for IV.

[antigonemuse]

really not worth the risk of abscess (8mgs arent so tiny) and the buzz would be waisted IM. Gosh, like DD said, the rush is worth finding a vein. i really hate it when i miss part of my dillie shot (or all of it)... Its like a total tease to not get that rush.

[defenestrate]

i don't IV shit, but i will IM dilaudid for the sake of the greater potency. i'm wonering whether PR or something else can bring the potency up as high. i know that snorting it definitely does more for me than eating it.

i am not condoning IMing pills-i know the risks any time i take a shot. i guess i'm just dumb, but i feel reasonably safe when i IM D. i also take a painstakingly long time prepping, making sure everything is sterile and as safe as possible, etc.

i have found that the white generic Ds i've seen don't seem to dissolve as cleanly as the yellow big brand ones (i'm referring to 4s here but assume that the same is true for 8s), but i still will IM them.

[LayinLow]

i don't IV shit, but i will IM dilaudid for the sake of the greater potency. i'm wonering whether PR or something else can bring the potency up as high. i know that snorting it definitely does more for me than eating it.

i am not condoning IMing pills-i know the risks any time i take a shot. i guess i'm just dumb, but i feel reasonably safe when i IM D. i also take a painstakingly long time prepping, making sure everything is sterile and as safe as possible, etc.

i have found that the white generic Ds i've seen don't seem to dissolve as cleanly as the yellow big brand ones (i'm referring to 4s here but assume that the same is true for 8s), but i still will IM them.

So how strong do you feel it when you IM it defenestrate? Is it as strong as snorting? I've been IVing my D's lately but plan on stopping. My veins are really hard to find, and I look like a human pincushion now. So now I'm going to be sticking to snorting and IM. Snorting works good for me, not quite as strong as IV, but a hell of a lot easier. The man I get them from is the first one to tell me that you can IM them if you want, he's been prescribed them for years. Just be really careful when you are prepping. What did you mean by "i'm wondering whether PR can bring the potency up"
As long as you're not just taking the pill like a normal pill (swallowing it) you get much more out of your hydromorphone. I love those little pills. I don't know if it matters, but I have the white generic 8mg D's, not the brand name ones.

[defenestrate]

i would say slightly stronger than snorting-i did it with some 4's, half a pill per cc of distilled water, with a teeny 27ga 1/2in tuberculin syringe. if it weren't so easy to dissolve into a fairly small amount of water, i wouldn't have bothered. and this is white generic 4s made by.. damn.. i'm thinking it started with an r.. roxane pharmaceuticals maybe? i'd feel better about the yellow 4s-those things practically prep themselves for a shot in water, but the white ones are still okay. you want to be really goddamned careful about air/unsanitary conditions when doing an IM or SC shot-the risks of abcess or similar are much higher for either.. and pills have a nasty habit of collecting tiny airbubbles on the particles which can lead to embolisms-also not your friend. however, since the D is strongest done IM/IV, and even the generics dissolve in room temp water without much of a fight, i consider it worth it.

i sure as shit would never eat them. my tolerance is too high-i wasted a few by trying to eat them. snorting is better, but shooting one way or another is strongest.

IM shots will NOT give you any kind of rush-they come on slowly, perhaps more slowly than orally depending on the pill. massaging the shit out of your muscle helps with pain, the possibility of abcess, and spreading the drug around so rub the area like crazy if you know what's good for you.

if i were to run into them again soon, i would probably IM one and snort one immediately. that might do the trick for a little while-but i'm afraid it might not be enough, and i don't fuck around with the chances of abcess or similar-i rotate spots EVERY shot, and will not hit the same area again if i can feel that a needle has touched it, which limits how many shots i can take. i prefer using the deltoid area-i started to shoot a pill into my quadrucep, but wasn't really happy with how well the entire pill dissolved in just 1cc (will try heating the water up next time), was kind of tired anyway and concerned about not paying attention and accidentally hitting a vein or similar, so i just scrapped it and consumed the D solution, which did effect me a little bit but was not as strong and snorting or IM.

what i meant by PR working is whether booty rocketing it (i.e. sticking the slightly dissolved pill up my ass) would make it as strong. it apparently is faster and stronger than any method other than shooting or smoking for a great many drugs. i'm willing to give it a shot just to see.

[HeidiW]

In my opinion, the ONLY way to do Dilaudid is IV. There just is no other way.:drool::drool::drool::drool:

[WarmCyanide]

In my opinion, the ONLY way to do Dilaudid is IV. There just is no other way.:drool::drool::drool::drool:



There's nothing more true than the above statement

[cig3f]

PLEASE READ, The Journal Nature, the world's foremost scientific authority speaks on intravenous administration of aqueous suspension of oral tablets

http://www.nature.com/modpathol/jour.../3880760a.html (http://www.nature.com/modpathol/journal/v16/n4/full/3880760a.html)

"Other less well-recognized tablet excipients that have injurious potential include magnesium stearate and siliciumoxid (silicon dioxide; 1 (http://www.nature.com/modpathol/journal/v16/n4/full/3880760a.html#bib1))."

Dilaudid Color Coded Tablets (for oral administration) containing:
2 mg hydromorphone hydrochloride (orange tablet) and D&C red #30 Lake dye, D&C yellow #10 Lake dye, lactose, and magnesium stearate.
4 mg hydromorphone hydrochloride (yellow tablet) and D&C yellow #10 Lake dye, lactose, and magnesium stearate.

"We reviewed the clinical data, autopsy protocols, and microscopic slides of the three subjects included in this study. A review of slides from all cases of fatal hydromorphone toxicity from 1985 to 2001 that were on file..."

"Embolized material seen in the lungs of all three patients was suspected to be crospovidone, a known constituent of certain preparations of hydromorphone tablets (Roxane Corp.). Two patients had been prescribed 4-mg hydromorphone tablets for pain management. "

"Particles present in the histologic sections of pure crospovidone powder resembled similar material in the wet preparation of the 4-mg hydromorphone tablet and were morphologically and histochemically similar to the particles in the lung."

"Upon microscopic examination, all three subjects demonstrated extensive pulmonary angiothrombosis and angiocentric foreign body granulomas associated with birefringent, rodlike crystals having the staining properties of microcrystalline cellulose (3 (http://www.nature.com/modpathol/journal/v16/n4/full/3880760a.html#bib3)). In addition to the cellulose particles, there were abundant, non-birefringent, deeply basophilic, irregular, coral-like structures measuring http://www.nature.com/__chars/less/special/le/black/med/base/glyph.gif100 http://www.nature.com/__chars/mu/black/med/base/glyph.gifm in maximum dimension."

FIGURE 1
Embolized Crospovidone (poly[N-vinyl-2-pyrrolidone]) in the Lungs of Intravenous Drug Users

Santhi Ganesan, Joseph Felo, Mario Saldana, Victor F. Kalasinsky, Michael R. Lewin-Smith and Joseph F. Tomashefski Jr

http://www.nature.com/modpathol/journal/v16/n4/images/3880760f1.jpg

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[Duckfeet]

My old lady's veins were shot, and she had to IM #4 d's in her butt. It never was that good and always pissed her off, and once it got infected. D's are just no good other than IV'ing. I mean, she says she always felt something, but it took too long, and you never get that wonderful dilaudid rush, which trumps everything...

[BigWaves]

http://www.nature.com/modpathol/journal/v16/n4/images/3880760f1.jpg

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EVERYTHING looks THIS scary under a microscope.

I wonder what a CLEAN dose would look like under the same mag.? lol. Not that it matters or anything. I'm STILL going to jab myself. Why? (Because I CAN? lol) becasuse I know there's NO rush any other way. And YES IV is the ONLY way to do hydromorph. The mfr.s vary, as do the additives. I hear the generics are anti-abuse but cookable. And the person who erroneously mentioned the "brand" Knoll™ 8 mg dillies...they were WHITE triangular-shaped with rounded corners, an 8 on one side and scored w/ a logo on the other [which looked like a "D" with a reversed [mirrored] "D" on the other side of the score.] I used to get those from about a half dozen different sources back in S. Florida, but here in Vegas they're scarce as FUCK. Man I'd fucking LOVE me some dilaudid now that I'm off methadone. Last year someone sent me 100 of the 2s and I DIDN'T FEEL SHIT because of that damn mud in my veins. What a heinous waste of good dope. I still cringe at the thought. oy.