withdrawl from benzos and junk

[nick]

HI all,I was hoping some of you kind guys could help me.Basically I'm coming off a mix of librium and diamorphine(pure H).I stopped the librium a week ago and my sleep pattern is still screwed.
Anyone have any ideas when I might actually sleep "properly"again.
For background info,I've been on this mix 15 years and I've stopped the librium dead I'm down to 1/3 of the junk I was taking.

[orangejuice]

well i dunno about tha junk, neva tried tha H, but every other opiate w/d ive eva been in mainly methadone w/d's, i couldnt sleep for a long time. put it this way. last time when i went into detox, i was in the hospital for 10 dayz(longer than usual)then went into a 30 day program and didnt get sleep the entire time i was in there, and thats with 100 mg of trazadone (thats all they will give you ) so yeah it could be a while, but like i said that was methadone, and hydro, i dunnno bout the H dude but good luck maybe sumone else will be abble to help you.

[robojunkie]

Are you on one of the English "diamorphine" clinics/plans/whatever they're called? Do you have to kick/taper? As for benzos I was only really addicted to them once awhile ago for about 6 months (kpins) and I detoxed with barbiturates (really...in a detox) and I couldn't sleep right for a couple of weeks, but then again I was on dope within, oh, two weeks of leaving that particular detox. Really I've heard anywhere from weeks to a couple months or more for a real night's sleep. Depends on the benzos, how many, how long...15 years is probably gonna be rough...

[zombiewoof23]

Coming off of a benzos for that length of use is no joke. WD's from benzo's can be fatal if you've been on them long enough. Here is an excellent resource for benzo's:

http://www.benzo.org.uk/

[HistoryofMadness]

if you have been on 15 years, just get used to the insomnia, or find a sleep aid that works... if its anything like when i kicked my 10 year (off and on) opiate habit, you won't sleep well for a few months, and even then you'll be really susceptible (is that a word?) to sleep problems, and getting your schedule off track...

its just part of it, but if it took that long to get where you are, it will take a while to get back to 'normal' (whatever that is!)...

good luck, and its not as bad as it seems right now... just learn to grab sleep when you can.

[halfalien_s4]

HI all,I was hoping some of you kind guys could help me.Basically I'm coming off a mix of librium and diamorphine(pure H).I stopped the librium a week ago and my sleep pattern is still screwed.
Anyone have any ideas when I might actually sleep "properly"again.
For background info,I've been on this mix 15 years and I've stopped the librium dead I'm down to 1/3 of the junk I was taking.
WDs from opiates is very uncomfortable....Wds frombezos, howeverm can life-threating. i took a lot of pharmacology and medical corses in highschool and college and i know from personal expiriende that stopping a bebzo (particularly a long-acting one like klonopin or librium) can cause ur body to go into seizures....especially if ur already prone to them! so this is something i would NOT advise doing except under medical supervision. as far as oiiates are tho, they are fine to come off of by themselves the best way to come off anything is to taper. itopiates will just make you feel like ya got a bad case of the flu. i suggest getting some kratom and keeping urself hydrated among other things. if u have any more questions just send mme an email!


jen;)

[halfalien_s4]

WDs from opiates is very uncomfortable....Wds frombezos, howeverm can life-threating. i took a lot of pharmacology and medical corses in highschool and college and i know from personal expiriende that stopping a bebzo (particularly a long-acting one like klonopin or librium) can cause ur body to go into seizures....especially if ur already prone to them! so this is something i would NOT advise doing except under medical supervision. as far as oiiates are tho, they are fine to come off of by themselves the best way to come off anything is to taper. itopiates will just make you feel like ya got a bad case of the flu. i suggest getting some kratom and keeping urself hydrated among other things. if u have any more questions just send mme an email!


jen;)
i had a grand mal seizure twice after skiping my klonopin twice...altho it was just a trigger and not thr roote cause, it lowers ur siezure threshhold signifcantly.....

[LayinLow]

i had a grand mal seizure twice after skiping my klonopin twice...altho it was just a trigger and not thr roote cause, it lowers ur siezure threshhold signifcantly.....



I as well had 2 grand mal seizures while coming off of a 7-8mg habit of xanax a day. It was real scary.. was in the hospital for about 4 days. Coming off of benzo's is no joke and it is scary as hell... it is hard to be scared when you're dead though. Be careful guys, try to taper if you can, I didn't have the option and look what happend to me. Scary scary.....

[vanilla_mlkshake2007]

I really hope you listen to the words"life-thretening".Those are the most important things when it comes to opiate withdrawal.I was on a 20 milligram valium habit and they tried to ween me off them which they did successfully slowly all the way down to 1 and a half milligrams or 2 and a half and then none
Well believe it or not when it came down to 1 this is when my whole left side went numb,My blood pressure was so high that I couldn't lift my head off the pillow, and they really said I was close to having a stroke.
The DR had took my valiums totally away from me bacause I had OD'd on Soma one night 10 years ago when I got drunk and they had fond the valiums in my system.
Since then I have gained my Dr.s trust and gotten everything back so I am all set but I went through hell, throwing up and then dry heaves the runs you name it I had it.
Well anyways I don't suggest you go off the opiates cold turkey please talk to your Dr..I can't help you on the rest but the Benzo part,but I hope you listen to my advice, along with all these other great posts above.

[pinion]

I really hope you listen to the words"life-thretening".Those are the most important things when it comes to opiate withdrawal.I was on a 20 milligram valium habit and they tried to ween me off them which they did successfully slowly all the way down to 1 and a half milligrams or 2 and a half and then none
Well believe it or not when it came down to 1 this is when my whole left side went numb,My blood pressure was so high that I couldn't lift my head off the pillow, and they really said I was close to having a stroke.
The DR had took my valiums totally away from me bacause I had OD'd on Soma one night 10 years ago when I got drunk and they had fond the valiums in my system.
Since then I have gained my Dr.s trust and gotten everything back so I am all set but I went through hell, throwing up and then dry heaves the runs you name it I had it.
Well anyways I don't suggest you go off the opiates cold turkey please talk to your Dr..I can't help you on the rest but the Benzo part,but I hope you listen to my advice, along with all these other great posts above.

How long was your taper from 20mg to ~1mg and what were the decrements? I think that's important to note, thanks..

[nick]

Hi all,thanks for all the advice.I am one of the English diamorphine addicts.Sadly due to those evil bastards at CHIRON PHARMACEUTICAL there is very little diamorphine in the UK at the moment.So long term stable addicts are being given physeptone,which didn't work for us first time round.The situation is set to continue till least 2007 so the "party" is well and truly over.
This is why I decided to throw in the towel.Re the Benzos,after 15 years on 20 mgs of Librium a day my Dr just stopped the script.No weaning,no warnings of seizures nothing.The only mitigating factor is that after 15 years she figures I know what I'm doing.Which is partly true,but there is a diference between knowing the right thing and doing it-especially when drugs are involved.
It's been 18 days now so I'm passed the seizure stage,but decent sleep is becoming a fading memory.I feel like I'm in another dimension.Thanks again for all the advice and concern.

[devilsdrug]

nick u are definitely one of kind with the background although it can be compared to street habit i guess , i once didnt sleep more than 30 minutes for over a month a china white and alchhol habit , i think another thing u can try to help out is exercise be it just walkin or whatever this can help relax and bring on the shuteye a bit , i use to pace the cell or do pushups , pull ups and deepknee bends especially for the legs anyway couldnt hurt to try its not an end to the prob its just a little help

[orangejuice]

yeah dd is right. and it helps. I usually, wheni cant sleep, do sometihng that i kno is gonna wear me the hell out. likea little excersize, not to mention its good for you.

[johnny27]

hey nick, what did you have to do or go thru to get the diacetylmorphine script? Was it for ppl who have tried all sorts of maintenece and it did'nt work like subs, meth, laam? How was the h dose given, was it given IV by a nurse or did you take home and shoot it yourselve?
Please tell me to feck off, as this question maybe bad timing, if your pissed off, i'm really sorry.
I'm just really curious about the phram H maintence, i beleive there is only a handful of addicts on it legally, and none here in N.I. Thanks

[nick]

Diamorphine,oh yes,legal diamorphine to boot.The gig is after 5 years of the usual junky grind I found a dr in Leeds who would write for D.This is a rarity,sadly,there were 500 diamorphine addicts in the Uk,mostly in England a few in Wales,but now there has been a shortage ,which effects not only addicts but nth stage cancer patients, there could be a good few less.This is a national scandal which has been swept under the carpet.
I go to a pharmacy twice a week to pick up.I was on 150mgs a day plus the benzos.I'm now on a fraction of that.This was my choice,this may sound crazy,but at the end of the day a habit is still a habit.
I know just how "lucky" I was many friends who couldn't get scripted H are no longer around.
I don't think there is any diamorphine rxing in the rest of the Uk,but if you want anymore info.Including the best arguments for being rx'ed diamorphine pm or e mail me.
P.S. on reflection,I think the main reason I got lucky is that I'm a ;nice ,white middle class,public school boy,who knew how to mind his p's and q's.Which really sucks,huh.

[Babydollangel]

Nick,
whilst I am not familiar with the benzo in particular that you speak of I tried to learn about anything about my benzo (xanax) that I could get my hands on but only after it was too late !! I never even knew that xanax had any street value or recreational value at that time.
For two solid years my internist hands me a script of alprazolam and instructed me to take them 3 times daily....the 2 mg bars !! I knew nothing about the dangers of this drug..my dr told me to take it ...advised me it was his treatment for my GAD and so i did as he told me too..I trusted him.
Only when he took me off of them last sep (2 years later) did i find out how my body had become accustomed to this med being in my system..I cannot EVEN begin to tell you what wd from xanax did to me...of course when dr took me off he gave me a taper schedule ( a TWO WEEK one !!) which i found out very very quickly wasnt going to work. soooooooooo i took all that i had left (cuz i never took that whole bar...only took as needed breaking bar into 1/4ths) and slowwwwwwwwwlllllllllyyyyyyyy tapered which took me an entire 8 months.
I have recently been put back on this med cuz i truley have GAD and have a need to take it but I am not foolish enough to take it as he has prescribed !!
I did alot of research on this (benzo tapering and wd) several months ago and will never forget the horror of it. I wont even take more than one pill (altogether during the course of a day) cept when in wd from doc. even then xanax barely takes the edge off (and i will take more than prescribed during wd's !)
anyways, dont know if this helped you any or not but I am very very familiar with the hell of going through a big xanax problem...i lost alot of family and friends over being on that drug and i really had my feathers ruffled alot cuz my dr had me on it thus i had reason to take it and in my mind that was different than a person going and buying it off the streets illegally !
If i can help in any way please let me know..i have been down the benzo road (and still take it now even ) and know how it can make you feel. it totally took ahold of my life and body but i never realized it until i was told to stop taking it.
The thing that hurt the most with benzo wd for me was the 'electrical shock' sensatons i felt in my arms and legs and i think i went without sleep for about three weeks ! you HAVE to do a slow slow slow taper from benzos...they can be downright dangerous too as they lower the seizure threshold in the body so taking them out of your system so quickly could even be fatal.
Sorry this post is so long but this is one that i Know lots about so I hope it can help you. if you need to know more please dont hesitate to ask.

[johnny27]

i always steal lots of chlordiazpoxide from my alcholic uncle who never uses them (and yes it is shameful and i'm not proud) I usually use them with PT to help me get the nod on, taking about 40mg with my tea, it never really affected me much although. Recently i was perscribed depakete for bipolar 2, and i took 30mg librium with my PT. For some reason the librium really scared me this time, i was confused, very slow breathing, i had to keep reminding myself to breath, and also i was missing time, i would put on the microwave for 2 minutes, and next second i realize the microwave had finsihed, sorta like black outs. So the mood stabilizer, must have interacted with the benzo, maybe something to do with both meds work on GABA, so i've not done any librium since, i got really scared

[nick]

Thanks for the concern Babydoll.The librium is chlordiazepoxide.It's rxed a lot in the UK,or used to be the bastards are cracking down on Benzo scripts.Librium is very similar to valium.
I still haven't had more than a few minutes sleep each night and this will be around 22nd awful night.Plus I've had severe pins and needles,but the weirdest thing is there is an area the size of a large dinner plate over my left shoulder that has gone numb,no feeling,nada.I'm not sure if this is from the benzo withdrawl or the reduced diamorphine.Whatever kicking sucks big time.Sometimes I think I've gone crazy,I mean,if you were offered Benzos and junk free till death what would you do?

[johnny27]

I beleive the numbness effect, is def from the benzo WD. Its associated with seizure activity, so be very careful, its maybe a sign the your seizure threshold has dropped, as the numbness is a feeling that epelitcs have when they get a seizure, either before, after or during. Maybe you should mention it to your GP, i really don't want to worry you, it should probaly pass at this stage into the withdrawl, but rember that librium is a long acting benzo, and has a massive halflife, so be on the safe side and maybe phone your doc to talk to him. All the best of luck nick, your doing great.

[nick]

Thank you all for the concern.I had the dubious pleasure of seeing my consultant today.I told him about my back and he's sending me to see a neurologist at ST James in Leeds.
My consultant,jesus,I think he could be the most hated man since Hitler.One of my friends was seriously considering burning his house down.Luckily the consultant lives someway away so his house is still standing.For the time being anyway.

[vanilla_mlkshake2007]

How long was your taper from 20mg to ~1mg and what were the decrements? I think that's important to note, thanks..


It was tapered down to 5 a day immediately and then a milligram a week for about 6 weeks then I downed it myself to half a milligram for a week or two and then I just stopped completely,I guess I didn't realize that that half milligram made a difference.
But anyways thankfully valiums and somas are part of my monthly prescribed drugs now so I have no worrys about ever withdrawing again.I guess it was a good week and a half until I started getting serious withdrawals from the half milligram I was doing once or twice each day,but even when that lil bit came outta my system I was in terrible withdrawals,so therefore they put me on 5's and now my DR made a mistake and gave me a script for 2 of the 10 milligrams a day 2 months ago,and just told me not to do 2 every day.
I am not doing more then 2 a week so I guess I am still doing good,but when I look back on the withdrawals I had from valiums,I remember now how terrible they were.Totally different from morphine withdrawals though.
I was so happy when I had gone that whole week without the valiums ,I really thought the tapering had worked, and it probably did.Alot of it may have been psychological,But I know I don't wanna ever have to go through it again. I won't have to now that I have a good DR instead of a quack..

[HeidiW]

Nick, I feel for you. I think you should give serious thought to the fire project . . . .:)

[edarrin]

HI all,I was hoping some of you kind guys could help me.Basically I'm coming off a mix of librium and diamorphine(pure H).I stopped the librium a week ago and my sleep pattern is still screwed.
Anyone have any ideas when I might actually sleep "properly"again.
For background info,I've been on this mix 15 years and I've stopped the librium dead I'm down to 1/3 of the junk I was taking.


Likely 3 months to a year. May be at the long end of the spectrum due to the length of time. I went through a 6 month taper using clonazepam and it was a f'ing nightmare. had to work through the whole thing in a demanding job. I was falling asleep at stop lights in my car for a few seconds here and there. gets bloody dangerous...the sleep deprivation.

That is my experience. Wish I had better news but I don't. Actually my opoid habit picked up significantly after that experience. And I still use benzos regularly...although I'm no lomger physically addicted. Try and get a script for Lyrica. It is a newer version of neurotonin and seems to help with anxiety etc. Now I rotate Lyrica and benzos.;)

[satori]

I might have TLE. Last time i went off K'pins without tapper i couldnt drive. Well i was ok for a bit then when i was driving everything turned into a screen. Distance disapeared everything was flat (2D). I could barely keep the car going straight but i was close to home so i turned right around. That night i couldnt sleep, body was shaking and i was dalerious(sp). I ended up talking to pirates about my boat and getting my wife and kids on it (i dont have a wife kids or a boat).

[nick]

Well it's been many weeks now and sleep is still elusive.Never sleep well or for more than 4-5 hours.I should have kicked junk THEN benzos.I know I'm a fucking idiot.
Thanks for all for the concern and advice,believe it or not,it helps.

[Ragdoll]

I wish so much I had some good advice, or at least some magic spells for you, Nick. The sleep thing is where it caught me. Diphenhydramine can provide sufficient sleep so you function...sort-of.... at least it's something. My own experience is that I went through a hideous w/d, somehow survived it, made it through a year...somehow (ssri antidepressants, diphenhydramine, weed)...

and finally ended up back on. I couldn't continue on such a small bit of normal sleep. And here I am.

Maybe you're being too hard on yourself; expecting too much? Perhaps taking a small amount of benzo before bedtime would be more of a step forward than a step back?

My thoughts are with you, brother...

[nick]

I wish so much I had some good advice, or at least some magic spells for you, Nick. The sleep thing is where it caught me. Diphenhydramine can provide sufficient sleep so you function...sort-of.... at least it's something. My own experience is that I went through a hideous w/d, somehow survived it, made it through a year...somehow (ssri antidepressants, diphenhydramine, weed)...

and finally ended up back on. I couldn't continue on such a small bit of normal sleep. And here I am.

Maybe you're being too hard on yourself; expecting too much? Perhaps taking a small amount of benzo before bedtime would be more of a step forward than a step back?

My thoughts are with you, brother...
Thank you sister,but I doubt I'd get a script for benzos now.My doc is of the little pain won't hurt you school.Plus were in the middle of a benzo crackdown,so no benzos to even buy,I'm screwed basically.

[edarrin]

Well it's been many weeks now and sleep is still elusive.Never sleep well or for more than 4-5 hours.I should have kicked junk THEN benzos.I know I'm a fucking idiot.
Thanks for all for the concern and advice,believe it or not,it helps

I'm not sure of your whereabouts or insurance coverage but I am serious...if you can check out Lyrica. you can get 150mg capsules and they work pretty good. I wish they had been available when I did my taper. You may need 600-750mg at first to feel it, although I found 300mg with some weed effective. It will make your life easier...

However, as a caveat, I don't know about the addictiveness of Lyrica. It is classed as an anticonvulsant and for neuropathic pain. It works by binding to the delta 2 subunit of voltage-gated calcium channels in the CNS. http://emc.medicines.org.uk/emc/assets/c/html/displaydoc.asp?documentid=14651 It is basically a GABA analogue. They do recommend a taper to stop so....

I've been through that hell (or one pretty similar) so I feel for ya

[Ragdoll]

Thank you sister,but I doubt I'd get a script for benzos now.My doc is of the little pain won't hurt you school.Plus were in the middle of a benzo crackdown,so no benzos to even buy,I'm screwed basically.

Ohhhh.....my fav-o-rite kind of doctor: Herr Doktor Mengele.

[Soda]

Hospice eases the dying process by mixing lorazepam and morphine sulfate. My very shallow impression of you tells me you are alive and not dying. Embrace your youth. Shoot a gun. Watch more pornography. Moan and groan. Urinate in public. Set fire to something, or break a window. Don't suppress it anymore. Break lose.

[Maggie38]

This suggestion might get laughed at but, go to the store and get a bottle of Melatonin. Your body produces this naturally but sometimes it doesn't produce enough for sleep. I have cronic insomnia and I take Ambien for it but, sometimes I double up on the Ambien and I run out before refill day. My husband bought some Melatonin for himself to sleep and I tried it one night. Believe it or not, it worked. Didn't really help me to fall asleep but when I did go to sleep, it kept me asleep. You can't overdose on it, and you will / can have vivid dreams on it.

[Soda]

This suggestion might get laughed at but, go to the store and get a bottle of Melatonin. Your body produces this naturally but sometimes it doesn't produce enough for sleep. I have cronic insomnia and I take Ambien for it but, sometimes I double up on the Ambien and I run out before refill day. My husband bought some Melatonin for himself to sleep and I tried it one night. Believe it or not, it worked. Didn't really help me to fall asleep but when I did go to sleep, it kept me asleep. You can't overdose on it, and you will / can have vivid dreams on it.

Ambien is crazy. It potentiates something called GABA in the brain, which can make people do some crazy things. Someone I know/SWIM (me) took a dead squirrel home, poured root beer on it. And then threw it out a window or something like that.
I guess I should ask you if you've ever tried taking melatonin during a withdrawal. That's what Nick is dealing with.

In other news, no one deserves to feel physically cold and sick from opiates. It's not an acceptable way to live, no matter for how long. There's just no reason to be unhealthy because of a drug that is generally benevolent to all of our body's organs.

[Maggie38]

Ambien is crazy. It potentiates something called GABA in the brain, which can make people do some crazy things. Someone I know/SWIM (me) took a dead squirrel home, poured root beer on it. And then threw it out a window or something like that.
I guess I should ask you if you've ever tried taking melatonin during a withdrawal. That's what Nick is dealing with.

In other news, no one deserves to feel physically cold and sick from opiates. It's not an acceptable way to live, no matter for how long. There's just no reason to be unhealthy because of a drug that is generally benevolent to all of our body's organs.


Any and all drugs affect different people in different ways. If everyone took a Goody Powder and felt better, then I guess we'd all be taking Goody Powders. Like with Ambien, some folks have got up the next morning with food in their beds and not know how it got there. I take it and it puts me to sleep. No crazy shit going on. All drugs have different stories, effects etc.... for everyone.

And no, I can't say that I've ever had to withdraw from anything other than alcohol. 5 years of drinking every single day til I was blacked out and then quitting cold turkey= no fun. No benzos, no opiates, no methadone or anything to make it easier. I had DTs for 3 months. Obviously I have no idea what I'm talking about huh.

I was merely suggesting a healthy (healthier) and less expensive way to achive some sleep with Melatoin. Not only does it help promote sleep, it is also an antioxidant. It may work...it may not work. But either way it goes, I hope you get better soon Nick.

[betmylife]

Ambien is crazy. It potentiates something called GABA in the brain, which can make people do some crazy things. Someone I know/SWIM (me) took a dead squirrel home, poured root beer on it. And then threw it out a window or something like that.
I guess I should ask you if you've ever tried taking melatonin during a withdrawal. That's what Nick is dealing with.

In other news, no one deserves to feel physically cold and sick from opiates. It's not an acceptable way to live, no matter for how long. There's just no reason to be unhealthy because of a drug that is generally benevolent to all of our body's organs.



I know you guys are trying to help, but this thread is from last year.....I think Nick may have conquered his problem....at least I think.....before lots of people chime in....although I guess its useful info either way.....peace


BML

[Soda]

Maggie, I never questioned you were a genious. The fact goes without saying. Look at yourself. You radiate intellect and experience like a highly polished gem. It is a nonissue. As for Nick, I bet my life he is still involved with opiates. Or, perhaps, thinks about them now and again, like I think about Maggie on those cold sleepless nights in my cabin.

[ProdigalSon]

I wanna hear more about the rodent washing...

[chopstix]

I wanna hear more about the rodent washing...

Road Kill Float? Little ice cream with that??

Ambien stories rock. We should have a forum for bizarre ambien stories..

[kazman32]

Benzo withdraw is no joke....Ambien makes people do crazy things...My friend drove 30 min to my house in a 'zombie' state pretty much sleepwalking, Ive read on the internet so many people wake up not remembering what they did the night before, covered with brusies, wine bottle empty, car smashed up etc...

[Soda]

I wanna hear more about the rodent washing...

It was totally furry and almost adorable. But dead. It wasn't nasty in the slightest. It seemed to have died of boredom. In the woods near a prestigous private highschool the name of which must remain obscured not for my safety, but for the dignity of the squirrel who I still think of. Anyway, I took him back home with me and poured boiling water on him, which turns his eyes white, like it had melted away his irises. So he was like a spirit at that point, eyes white, body unscathed, almost NOT dead. I then poured rootbeer on him. Why?
The next day he wasn't where I had left him. In any case, he is still alive.
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[chopstix]

I know someone who binges on Ambien. I don't get it but she'll get a script and take the whole thing in like a night. Wake up a day or two later with no idea what happened.

She was staying with a foster family in france and doing this. She said they started acting really funny towards her after awhile, I wonder why.. God knows what she was doing in those blackouts..

I take a lot of benzos but ambien gives me the shakes. Can't take it. I thought I had a neuro disorder when I was taking that stuff..

[Soda]

I know someone who binges on Ambien. I don't get it but she'll get a script and take the whole thing in like a night. Wake up a day or two later with no idea what happened.

She was staying with a foster family in france and doing this. She said they started acting really funny towards her after awhile, I wonder why.. God knows what she was doing in those blackouts..

I take a lot of benzos but ambien gives me the shakes. Can't take it. I thought I had a neuro disorder when I was taking that stuff..

Nice one Chopstix. This is like a new level opening before my eyes. Taking anything over 10mg is playing with the "line". Ambien can create immense feelings of euphoria, horniness, and other interesting things, but it can also generate these things called fugue states that have people communing with dead spirits and doing Soda-esque feats of heroism.

In fairness, the Air Force uses it. So does Colin Powell. And Mag. And they seem to get a lot done.

[Synack]

I'll second Mag on the melatonin ... it used to work for me.. but that was before I ever touched opiates, before the surgery. before the pain. back when a 5mg perc would kick my ass to the curb and knock me out for at least 4 hours...

[kazman32]

I know someone who binges on Ambien. I don't get it but she'll get a script and take the whole thing in like a night. Wake up a day or two later with no idea what happened.

She was staying with a foster family in france and doing this. She said they started acting really funny towards her after awhile, I wonder why.. God knows what she was doing in those blackouts..

I take a lot of benzos but ambien gives me the shakes. Can't take it. I thought I had a neuro disorder when I was taking that stuff..


my buddy will, don't understand it, he smashed up a car on that shit....

[Maggie38]

Nice one Chopstix. This is like a new level opening before my eyes. Taking anything over 10mg is playing with the "line". Ambien can create immense feelings of euphoria, horniness, and other interesting things, but it can also generate these things called fugue states that have people communing with dead spirits and doing Soda-esque feats of heroism.

In fairness, the Air Force uses it. So does Colin Powell. And Mag. And they seem to get a lot done.


Mag is BRILLIANT!! :D

[nick]

Soda man,your life is safe.I kicked.......REALLY.WAS clean for a few months and...........nevermind.

The goodnews is that I did manage to kick the benzos.

[Ragdoll]

That's more than good news, Nick - it's great news. And the squirrel story is absolutely...unforgettable. Melatonin did help my sleep at one time, however, it also caused me to become quite depressed after taking it for a couple of weeks. Ambien gave me the best 10 minutes of sleep I've ever had. The problem was what to do the rest of the night.