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paesan
04-27-2005, 04:11 PM
Check out this article I stumbled across. Can you say "Oh Shit!!!!"

The Next Fix

The Independent reports (http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/crime/story.jsp?story=544439) the British government is considering "a radical scheme to vaccinate children against future drug addiction." A Labour Party M.P. told the paper "there is no reason to think this would not be a starter or beneficial."

Several companies, including the U.K.-based Xenova (http://www.xenova.co.uk/) and the U.S.-based Nabi Biopharmaceuticals (http://www.nabi.com/), are working on "vaccines" that stimulate the immune system to produce antibodies that bind with drug molecules, making them too large to pass the blood-brain barrier and thereby neutralizing their psychoactive effects. Nabi's nicotine binder, NicVAX, is in Phase II clinical trials and probably will be marketed initially to smokers trying to quit.

But the appeal to parents won't be far behind, and drug warriors are excited about molecule binders for illegal substances. Such "vaccines" could be forced upon drug offenders or, as the Independent suggests, administered to children. While many anxious parents probably could be persuaded to "protect" their kids, the story insinuates that the U.K. could make anti-drug "vaccination" mandatory, saying "the scheme could operate in a similar way to the current nationwide measles, mumps and rubella vaccination program."

The chairman of the House of Commons Health Committee told the Independent "this could have a huge impact on society in terms of preventing damage to others and dealing with addicts." He added that "the ethical perspective does need to be looked at closely"--which would be an unprecedented development in the war on drugs.

Having failed to keep politically incorrect substances out of our bodies, the drug warriors are taking the battle to our bloodstreams. The Center for Cognitive Liberty & Ethics explored some of the implications in a report (http://www.reason.com/hitandrun/005918.shtml#005918) published last month.

paesan
04-27-2005, 04:12 PM
Sorry Guys it copied and pasted funny. Just highlight it and you'll be able to read it.

red26
04-27-2005, 04:17 PM
And so it begins...

Peripat
04-27-2005, 05:43 PM
Vaccinations (especially first-generation ones) have been iffy in the past.

One more reason I'm glad I don't have kids (and am doubly glad I don't live in the UK.)

SuperJunky
04-27-2005, 07:59 PM
And I thought the society in huxleys brave new world was scary, atleast they could still get drugged up...

Paregoric Kid
04-28-2005, 12:53 AM
I don't think this will catch on anytime soon, especially with opiates, there are too many important medical uses. I wouldn't be surprised if they tried to give the option of being vaccinated or going to jail to arrested users. even if they started vaccinating everyone there are many ways you could get around it.

jacky
04-28-2005, 01:27 AM
I think a whole batch of negative side effects will be born of this type of approach , these receptor sites play such important and prolific roles in psychological and somatic well being that hindering thier performance may create some unforseen problems down the line. this type of thing should be left to the people who want the procedure and might die anyway if they dont get it..........there is a brain operation that helps opiate addiction and even causes euphoria in some people of itself, but no one is suggesting we coerce people into scarring their brains, so why is chemical scarring and destruction/augmentation of the brain acceptable on a nano scale any more than a operation that destroys brain function? I think it is part of peoples acceptance of technology as a control mechanism that seems futuristic or "advanced". a magic bullet still needs to be applied by the primitive "outdated" homo sapien..........

Dwale T. Brewer
05-05-2005, 03:40 AM
You all think that is scary? Do some research on the "New World Order" - watch us move towards one world government (with open arms like sheep to the slaughter, for the sake of "PEACE") - and one world leader; one world religion (for the same reason plus the trend towards Universalism "we all worship the same god with different names" excuse, "all religions are fundamentally the same, we must learn to peacefully co-exist" )- the devil loves detante; and scariest of all, a cashless world of one currency (with open arms to "stop the black market, and finally win the drug war"), and an INTERNATIONAL I.D. card (which will progress to imbedded chip combining information regarding some of the aforementioned without which, no one will be able to buy or sell (Like sheep to the slaughter, to be able to "always know where our children are", to "always know where the "bad guys" are", etc. etc.)
Maybe it sounds like I'm into conspiracy theories, but I'm not, just a realist about the future, much like Huxley was. This all can be read about in your Bible (dust it off and read it BEFORE it happens), along with information on current weather patterns and the increase of disease, war, evil in general, and even "sprituality" - I encourage you to dust it off and read all about it, BEFORE you see it on FOX or CNN or your local news channel or read about it in your newspaper or on the Internet. You can watch any of those sources to see the wheels are turning to put this all into action soon though. To me THAT IS REALLY SCARY!!!!!!! What is happening in the UK is just a small piece of the puzzle, and it does give me the willies. It all does.
:( :cool: :confused: :mad:

chucky
05-05-2005, 05:34 PM
As usual the gov trying to fight one drug with another, or some bullshit, makes me sick tha they can tell you what not to put in your own body and yet can tell you that you need to take something.What the fuck?

blackdog
05-05-2005, 07:44 PM
hey dwale i 've got new's fer you,were all gonna die. only some of us sooner and some of us later.I prefer the later.also i prefer to dooo itt myyyyyyyyyy waaaaayyyyyyyyyy..yes very scary stuff,what you wrote i also like to say they can try and control me ,but they can't have my guns untill they pry my cold dead fingers off them. peace

annodyne
05-07-2005, 11:49 PM
You don't have to allow your children to be vaccinated in the U.S. Then again why would you not want to prevent your children from experimenting with drugs? If i had a choice, I would choose drug free. Well I guess I had the choice, but not the wisdom to know better. It's a whole other can of worms once you feel what drugs can do to you, no?

chucky
05-10-2005, 03:02 PM
Hey, some people can handle a life with drugs, others cannot. I'm sometimes can sometimes can't. Yes it has ruined many lives but so has many things,If given the choice i would not vaccinate, are children have to learn to make decisions in life much bigger then doing drugs,but it is one of the larger.And choice lays the foudation of or lives and begin to build.In other words if i had not used drugs i would not be the person i am today and of that i am proud.

Peripat
05-10-2005, 03:14 PM
If given the choice i would not vaccinate, are children have to learn to make decisions in life much bigger then doing drugs,but it is one of the larger.And choice lays the foudation of or lives and begin to build.In other words if i had not used drugs i would not be the person i am today and of that i am proud.

chucky has a point, and a good one. I believe that if the history of drugs hadn't been tied up in so much legalistic nonsense, especially in the last century, drug use would be a decision like whether to drink alcohol or smoke cigarettes...

Some can handle it, and some can't. Imposing legalistic nonsense has just added another layer of hassle for those of us who perhaps can handle it.