Well, Swim has IVed Fent and it worked and he is alive and happy.

[Dilly4000]

New to this forums but have lurked here for a bit now. Anyway, swim has tried many many opioids over the years due to chronic pain from surgeries and illness. All started out on Hydro's then up to Hydromorphone (still swims absolute fav, IV of course) Swim has never tried "street" drugs, no heroin, or anything that wasnt prescribed legally to swim. Also for the most part Swim takes the meds as prescribed, maybe an extra here and there to really make sure the pain is going to go away, not that swim doesnt like the euphoria too :P. Well swim recently ran out of Dillies, knowing its pretty much a waste to take them oral, almost NO pain relief and definalty no euphoria, hell if its gonna take the pain away might as well feel a little nice too, right? Anyway, swim has done 4mg hydromorphone tabs IV for a while now to great succes for pain and for feelin well. until swim ran out, all swim had left was 25mcg gel Fent patches. Which seem to do nothing for the pain, hence the heavy use of dillies, with the occasional hydro or perc if swim had it. Anyway, after reading a TON, swim thought of trying Fent IV, or smoke or any other way other than just the patch. cause it didnt help the pain and thats all swim had till next dilly refill. SO swim followed instruction from various websites and met with pretty darn good success. No OD's, swim was VERY careful, lots of diluting, filtering, disinfecting. Very small pushes at a time to test the waters. It worked very nice, swim is getting many doses from 1 patch and swim is getting a nice relaxing euphoria. BUT, no rush, one of the things swim likes about the dillies is the quick rush followed by the calmness, with the fent its just the calmness. But swim is not brave enough to try anything different than what has already worked. But, has anyone known of any other IV ways that ahve gotten a rush from Fent? Swim doesnt want to keep doing this for long, wants to go back to Dillies to manage pain as it is easier, better, and more measured out, 1 tab = 1 dose.
Anyway, swim is just saying hi and happy that info from the internet has made pain more manageable. Sorry if swims post sounds a little odd as swim is trying to make sure swim follows all the forums rules and no incriminating evidence :P
Swim just wanted to know of any others experience with IV fent, swim has read every fent post on the forums. Any other experience, good or bad?

Thanks. and hello all! =)

[HistoryofMadness]

I'm sure the difference between a rush and an OD is very slim. Just my perspective...

[shaunclo]

I'm sure the difference between a rush and an OD is very slim. Just my perspective...

Not necessarily HoM, I mean you can inject a safe amount of dope and get a rush. I mean any amount of dope IV'd is going to give you some form of a rush. Thats the scary thing though, that rush!! Next time you want it a little bit harder, and maybe I can handle just this little bit more. Until the rush that you were once use to to is just boring to you now and you have to up the anti with , maybe a fatal dose.

Regardless if Dilly IV'd a fent patch and is still living, this is not a smart thing to do, it is just so hard to tell how much of the fent you actually have before you IV. As many times as I have shot up, I would never risk shooting a patch, the line of OD is too risky a one to walk, for me atleast........I know this isnt going to stop anyone from doing what they want to do, but those patches are sketchy things to IV.

[shaunclo]

New to this forums but have lurked here for a bit now. Anyway, swim has tried many many opioids over the years due to chronic pain from surgeries and illness. All started out on Hydro's then up to Hydromorphone (still swims absolute fav, IV of course) Swim has never tried "street" drugs, no heroin, or anything that wasnt prescribed legally to swim. Also for the most part Swim takes the meds as prescribed, maybe an extra here and there to really make sure the pain is going to go away, not that swim doesnt like the euphoria too :P. Well swim recently ran out of Dillies, knowing its pretty much a waste to take them oral, almost NO pain relief and definalty no euphoria, hell if its gonna take the pain away might as well feel a little nice too, right? Anyway, swim has done 4mg hydromorphone tabs IV for a while now to great succes for pain and for feelin well. until swim ran out, all swim had left was 25mcg gel Fent patches. Which seem to do nothing for the pain, hence the heavy use of dillies, with the occasional hydro or perc if swim had it. Anyway, after reading a TON, swim thought of trying Fent IV, or smoke or any other way other than just the patch. cause it didnt help the pain and thats all swim had till next dilly refill. SO swim followed instruction from various websites and met with pretty darn good success. No OD's, swim was VERY careful, lots of diluting, filtering, disinfecting. Very small pushes at a time to test the waters. It worked very nice, swim is getting many doses from 1 patch and swim is getting a nice relaxing euphoria. BUT, no rush, one of the things swim likes about the dillies is the quick rush followed by the calmness, with the fent its just the calmness. But swim is not brave enough to try anything different than what has already worked. But, has anyone known of any other IV ways that ahve gotten a rush from Fent? Swim doesnt want to keep doing this for long, wants to go back to Dillies to manage pain as it is easier, better, and more measured out, 1 tab = 1 dose.
Anyway, swim is just saying hi and happy that info from the internet has made pain more manageable. Sorry if swims post sounds a little odd as swim is trying to make sure swim follows all the forums rules and no incriminating evidence :P
Swim just wanted to know of any others experience with IV fent, swim has read every fent post on the forums. Any other experience, good or bad?

Thanks. and hello all! =)

It sounds like you are just injecting enough of the fent to keep you "not sick" which is good. Just because you squeeze a tiny amount of that gel onto the spoon and start the process, you have NO idea how much fent is in that tiny drop of gel. It could contain 80% more than the last drop you did and thinking your safe you IV that, and then BAM, your blue and dead.

If you HAVE to IV the gel in those patches, PLEASE DONT SEEK A RUSH FROM IT!! Just keep yourself from getting sick till you can get your dillies back. It is way to unprecitable to try and measure how much fent your actually shooting.

[jab]

So, Dilly, what method did you use to make the gel into an injectable solution? Inquiring minds want to know. :D

BTW, welcome!

[HistoryofMadness]

Ok, shaunclo you've got me stumped. I say its a fine line between a rush and an OD with fent, and you say:

Not necessarily HoM, I mean you can inject a safe amount of dope and get a rush.
But then, in an apparent AGREEMENT with me, you say:



Regardless if Dilly IV'd a fent patch and is still living, this is not a smart thing to do, it is just so hard to tell how much of the fent you actually have before you IV. As many times as I have shot up, I would never risk shooting a patch, the line of OD is too risky a one to walk, for me atleast........I know this isnt going to stop anyone from doing what they want to do, but those patches are sketchy things to IV.

Which sounds almost exactly like what I was saying... but as if it wasn't enough, you posted ANOTHER one that totally agrees with my point, specifically that the line between a rush and an OD is too small to try to approach...



If you HAVE to IV the gel in those patches, PLEASE DONT SEEK A RUSH FROM IT!!

??? Now, why, praytell, would you... I mean how does this.... you see I can't understand... ah fuckit, from one junky to another, you should try to read more I think your cognition might need a new solenoid. :D

[(inaudible screams)]

I just finished a 7.5mg gel that I had been enjoying for the past 2 days.

My 2 methods of use were: eating a little bit (by putting a little gel on a q-tip) and putting the rest of the gel into an empty saline nasal mister and mixing it with water.

I have to say I felt better on the first night. It was probably a combination of my eating some gel and my body expeiencing fentanyl for the first time (+ I hadn't had any opies for about 3 LONG weeks)

Yesterday and today I have still been getting a sensation with the spray, but I have had a small headache after it wears off.

[superman]

you have NO idea how much fent is in that tiny drop of gel. It could contain 80% more than the last drop you did


I am positive that the gel contains a consistently distributed amount of the drug. that's the whole point of it, that is it acts as a transporter of fentanyl, the whole reason that theres so much gel is that the membrane allows a certain amount to pass through it within a given time period.

As long as your are metering your shots volumetrically, and taking care that your gel isn't evaporating and thus becoming stronger, you will be able to accurately dose.

That said, i find fentanyl to be fantastic when smoked on foil (dry, not gel). huge rush, completely incapacitating if you want it to be.

[devilsdrug]

i again agree with super smoke it , there is a rush and a nod there,just be careful as he has said ull feel it before u exhale

[shaunclo]

Well what can I say HoM, I have been all over the place lately, I am back on me subs and am hating every second of it, but nice dissection buddy:jerkoff:, you showed me:peeonme:

Hot Damn, what would we do without these smileys, oh wait, we could grow up and not use them anymore:angry2:

[vaxn8]

I've had a lot of experience with both fent and dil iv. I have never, ever achieved the same rush from fent in a patch that you can get with the pure fent citrate solution. And trust me I have gone very high on the dose trying.

Topic Creator: Be careful with the fent, 4 mg dilaudid really isn't much. I'm glad to hear you're taking it slow. I'm not trying to belittle you at all, (I would kill for a tolerance that low) just want you to be careful. Fent is the only drug where I've done it and woken up with the needle still in.

[shaunclo]

Hey Vaxn8, what do you think about Fentanyl Citrate amp 100micrograms/2ml, is one of these amps good enough for a good buzz. I never understood the whole micrgrams thing.

A buddy has the chance to pick up 10 of these amps for 145$,...........good??

[vaxn8]

Hey Vaxn8, what do you think about Fentanyl Citrate amp 100micrograms/2ml, is one of these amps good enough for a good buzz. I never understood the whole micrgrams thing.

A buddy has the chance to pick up 10 of these amps for 145$,...........good??

Shaun: obviously its going to depend on your tolerance. Have you actually seen the vial? If you are saying you think the concentration is 100 micrograms per each 2 ml, I would recheck that info. That sounds way too low. Depending on what it is being used for 100 - 200 micrograms is used as a starting dose (for anesthesia!). In an experienced user, 200 micrograms isn't going to be much, but it would be a safe place to start. It certainly is possible you are getting that concentration, but you really need to make sure, you know how much dose matters with this stuff!

I would grab it in a second and really wouldn't care about the cost, to me it would be that worth it. Don't forget the downsides though, it is really quite short acting, dosing dangers, ect. If you have only had fent from a patch, you truly haven't experienced fent iv! :D
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You know, the more I think about that price, it is possible it is 100 ug in the 2 ml, that is really very diluted, but if you were getting 1000 micrograms (which = 1 milligram) $145 would be awesome!

The reason I am spelling out micro and milligrams is to accentuate the difference, or at least try to. I know some people get confused with micrograms. If it helps, 1000 micrograms is equal to 1 milligram.
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[shaunclo]

yeah Im positive it is 100micrograms, so 2 would be the ideal dose to start with (with my tolerance atleast) I have had the patch a couple of times, but never IV'd it, but I have had fent amps before, but I forget what the dose was. Thanks for the input.

[HistoryofMadness]

Well what can I say HoM, I have been all over the place lately, I am back on me subs and am hating every second of it, but nice dissection buddy:jerkoff:, you showed me:peeonme:

Hot Damn, what would we do without these smileys, oh wait, we could grow up and not use them anymore:angry2:
I'm shipping you a bottle of midol, stat, my friend...

And the book "idiot's guide to taking a fucking joke!"

hehehe hope you're feeling better friend. and for more feel free to see me in my office, over in the flame forum.

[shaunclo]

I'm shipping you a bottle of midol, stat, my friend...

And the book "idiot's guide to taking a fucking joke!"

hehehe hope you're feeling better friend. and for more feel free to see me in my office, over in the flame forum.

Some Midol would help actually, please send O/N. As for the book.............I CANT READ!!!! .........sobbing.....

[Dilly4000]

Hiya all, Thanks for the overwhelming response and info swim really appreciates it =) (is swim doing that right still? :P) Anyway, here is swims way, swim DOESNT suggest anyone follow just because everyone is different and what works for one might kill another. So swim is just giving how he did this for knowledges purpose. Swim emptied a 25mcg/hr gel fent patch into a cleaned and disenfected perscript pill bottle with the label taken off, ya know those orange ones. If swim did it correctly according to a opiod converter the total fent in the patch is = to about 40mg of dillie. So very strong! so if 4mg = pain relief then its 10 times stronger. BUT on the safe side swim added more than 10x warm water to the bottle along with the squeezed out gel. Then shook like mad for a long time and then swim let it sit there to dissolve. So according to swims syringe size 1 full syringe = about 4mg of dillie, actually prob weaker. swim pours some of the mix to a spoon and heats it up a little just until little tiny bubble form, then stirs a little with a disinfected stir thingy :P suck up into syringe, BUT swim doesnt slam the WHOLE thing at once, swim is being careful, swim likes the rush, but being alive is much better so swim has abandoned that, Swim will wait for dillies again =) Anyway, swim SLOWLY pushes into vein, about 1/8 to 1/4 of the syringe at a time, waits about 20-30 secs which is when swim would usually feel the rush to see how swim feels before going farther. If all feels ok, pushes a little more till syringe is empty or pain is better or feeling to loopy to go on. This worked for swim many time now, but swim will stop this asap once dillies are back so this is just a desperate measure for pain relief and to prevent withdrawel. Swim does NOT suggest anyone try as swim doesnt want anyone to die, then again if someone was gonna try anything swim says here aint gonna change their mind and there is a wealth of info out there anyway that is already posted. ANway Thanks again for all the info and response. Swim is just gonna stiick to what is working and not push it (no pun intended :P) Swim hopes this helps =)

[vaxn8]

Sounds like a pretty good plan! With fent, it's always worth it to be careful, especially when you are dealing with it in an extracted form. If you had the pure solution, once you know your dose it's no problem, but when extracting you can get variability. Fentanyl isn't the most water soluble drug, so consistency is going to depend on lots of variables, some out of your control. Good plan though!

[insaneike]

I dont know about IV'd. I only smoke mine. I also get the25mcg/hr, 2.5mg total fent patches. You fkn rush like mad off smoking it!

later

[Dilly4000]

How do you smoke it? Swim has had no luck in trying that. Not that swim is gonna try it but more info is always good :P. Also, how would you make fent more soluble? any ideas to make it dissolve better? heat is the only thing that swim tries and swim doesnt see any gel left and the clear watery solution seems to work, but swim wants to make sure swim isnt wasting any. Swim doesnt have many left and still had a bit more till next refill. Swim thanks you all again =)

[superman]

"Hey Vaxn8, what do you think about Fentanyl Citrate amp 100micrograms/2ml, is one of these amps good enough for a good buzz. I never understood the whole micrgrams thing."
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personally i think 100mcg is far too much for aq single hit. with my currently very low tolerance I would not do more than 25mcg for my first shot

last patch i had was 50mcg, i had an 80mg oxy/day habit, and i got 2 decent smashed from the patch

SO, be carefull, 100mcg is a lot
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"How do you smoke it?"
search for 'fentanyl' by username superman.

"how would you make fent more soluble?"
Don't worry about it, you will not have a problem with solubility.

[vaxn8]

personally i think 100mcg is far too much for aq single hit. with my currently very low tolerance I would not do more than 25mcg for my first shot
And where are you even coming up with this, it is just not true? 100 micrograms of fent is equal to 10 mg of morphine or 1.5 mg of dilaudid, all of these doses are perfectly fine and used for opiate naive people.


SO, be carefull, 100mcg is a lot
It is really not. Obviously, people need to be careful with fent, but 100 ug is certainly not an unreasonalbe starting point.
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"how would you make fent more soluble?"
Don't worry about it, you will not have a problem with solubility.
What are you considering a problem with solubility? Fentanyl is very lipophilic and not terrible water soluble. if you don't calculate it right you could easily leave some behind. The octanol-water partition coefficient for morphine is 6 and almost 9600 for fentanyl, it is highly lipid-soluble! That is why it works as a transdermal drug and morphine doesn't.

These are the real solubilities...

Dilaudid 1 to 3
Oxycodone 1 to 6
Methadone 1 to 12
Morphine 1 to 18
Fentanyl 1 to 42

[(inaudible screams)]

Swim doesn't mean to be nitpicky, but swim thinks you are using the acronym swim way too much.

And if you wanna learn about smoking: superman has made a thread with direction on how this can be accomplished. I would tell swim to use the search button.

[PantyShot9]

I am positive that the gel contains a consistently distributed amount of the drug. that's the whole point of it, that is it acts as a transporter of fentanyl, the whole reason that theres so much gel is that the membrane allows a certain amount to pass through it within a given time period.

As long as your are metering your shots volumetrically, and taking care that your gel isn't evaporating and thus becoming stronger, you will be able to accurately dose.

That said, i find fentanyl to be fantastic when smoked on foil (dry, not gel). huge rush, completely incapacitating if you want it to be.

What do you mean dry?

[(inaudible screams)]

Check my last post. If you search the forums you will find what you seek.

[superman]

1 g of fentanyl citrate will dissolve in 40 ml of water.

I suggest that to be absolutely sure to avoid solubility problems, you could add a couple drops of acetic acid.

[BorisB]

I don't know if this was mentioned, but when Swim prepared fent for IV, he noticed that the fent gel was not entirely dissolving in the water he added. Swim created a solution that would become 100mcg/ml fentanyl out of a 50mcg/hr gel patch (total 5.1mg fent). In order to get the fent to dissolve, Swim added citric acid (lemon juice worked). Fent citrate is the common water soluble thing, so swim was sure that was the key.

Surely enough, the first IV swim ever did was that fent and it seemed to work, although the tolerance kept swim from feeling a rush. Should've smoked it. That gel is excellent smoked, though swim wants to try it orally.

[Zoop]

If you got a regular-sized tolerance, 100mic's is a regular-sized hit of fent. Did 100mic's IV all the time back when I was working in a hospital pharmacy. It was a VERY nice hit, plenty rush there too.

This was the injection solution in ampoules, though.

For the dude up there who said he don't understand what a microgram is, it's 1/1000 of a milligram, or one millionth of a gram. One million micrograms in one GRAM. So, 100mic is 0.1mg. Get it?

While we're on the topic of shootin fent patches, can't you just take out ALL the gel at once, to start with, and then dilute it? You know how much fent is in the patch to start with?


The full prescribing information for Duragesic patches is at :

http://www.duragesic.com/active/janus/en_US/assets/common/company/pi/duragesic.pdf#search='duragesic%20prescribing%20in formation'

It's a PDF file.

At 25ug/h patch, it says, has 2.5mg of fent in it. At 100ug per shot, that's 25 hit's. That's fucking awesome!

Just take out ALL the gel, dilute into 25 ml of water, and then draw up 1ml shots for approx. 100ug per hit!

[Zoop]

Boris, you shouldn't be shooting lemon juice. It has loads of bacteria in it. For real, you shouldn't have to add any acid to the solution. If all the gel isn't dissolving, it doesn't matter. Leav it sit long enough and all the fent citrate WILL dissolve. The gel likely has some shit in it that won't completely dissovle, but that don't mean that all the drug won't dissolve.

And for the dude up there who was talking about hte partition coefficients, isn't that the partition coefficients for the FREE BASE forms of those drugs?

For fentanyl citrate, it's in a salt form, so it's gonna be different!

[hovadagod]

SWIM has IM'd 1mg-1.5mg fent and was fine. He thinks so at least. He woke up squatting at a cabinet. How long was he there???? I wish I knew. Could have been an hour in which case it may have been too high a dose.

[vaxn8]

SWIM has IM'd 1mg-1.5mg fent and was fine. He thinks so at least. He woke up squatting at a cabinet. How long was he there???? I wish I knew. Could have been an hour in which case it may have been too high a dose.

Fent is the only drug I have iv'd and woke up with the needle still in, kinda scary, it was a pretty high dose though.

Zoop's right, lemon juice isn't good to inject. If you really need to have injectable citric acid, vitamin C is a safer choice.

[superman]

my favorite acid for injection purposes is acetic. i choose it because it's made from acetic anyhydride, that is NO boilogical components, nor anything that bacteria will feast on (unlike lemon juice).

carefull with that fent!!!!! hate to never see you online again

[BorisB]

I think the fent. in duragesic patches is without base. I figured it wouldn't dissolve well in water, or at least concluded so once I saw it wasn't dissolving well in water. I suppose un-sterile lemon juice is a bad plan, but precautions were taken for sterility in said experiment.

[devilsdrug]

and sure what he his sayin just cause the gel isnt disolvein doesnt mean the fent aint, in fact ur prolly better off , but myself i said screw it the smoking of dried gel is great but gotta be careful

[superman]

you're right the gell doesn't mix too easily. what i have done in the past is to empty a few patches into a shot glass, add a little water to increase viscosity, and mix thoroughly.

the gel and water are miscible with agitation, but you'll still be slamming a fairly thick shot. thus why this can't be good for your health. but i know a few shots of this hasn't killed me, but i certainly wouldn't make a habit out of it

[BigWaves]

Those are a couple o mighty opies you're playin with! *drools* they see to be workin ok for you, but be ever so careful with that F! It's too strong to be trifled with on an impaired head. I'd opt to use one or another and compliment the experience with something weaker...stretch out your supply yknow? but thats me.

I think what you gotta do to make a smokeable form of fent is to evaporate it [duragesic patch gel mayhaps?], like pod tea putty, then scrape it up with a blade and chop it up. Sprinkle a little on a bowl of some herb and hit away-you'll feel it almost instantly if there's enough...and it's working. Your mileage may vary.

Let us know if/how it works...but please remember and don't ever forget:

WARNING/GUARANTEE:
Habit-forming!!! If not satisfied for any reason,
return the unused portion of your medications to me
for a FULL REFUND plus I'll even throw in a $25 voucher towards your next order!!!

[thbronze]

Shaun: obviously its going to depend on your tolerance. Have you actually seen the vial? If you are saying you think the concentration is 100 micrograms per each 2 ml, I would recheck that info. That sounds way too low. Depending on what it is being used for 100 - 200 micrograms is used as a starting dose (for anesthesia!). In an experienced user, 200 micrograms isn't going to be much, but it would be a safe place to start. It certainly is possible you are getting that concentration, but you really need to make sure, you know how much dose matters with this stuff!

I would grab it in a second and really wouldn't care about the cost, to me it would be that worth it. Don't forget the downsides though, it is really quite short acting, dosing dangers, ect. If you have only had fent from a patch, you truly haven't experienced fent iv! :D
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You know, the more I think about that price, it is possible it is 100 ug in the 2 ml, that is really very diluted, but if you were getting 1000 micrograms (which = 1 milligram) $145 would be awesome!

The reason I am spelling out micro and milligrams is to accentuate the difference, or at least try to. I know some people get confused with micrograms. If it helps, 1000 micrograms is equal to 1 milligram.
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[kchampagne]

So, Dilly, what method did you use to make the gel into an injectable solution? Inquiring minds want to know. :D

BTW, welcome!

I cut it with vinegar or lemon juice, I let it sit on the stove for a while on VERY low heat, then I cook it and up it goes!
Kerry
I usually shoot a little less than a fifty patch.

[JonnyMohawk]

I cut it with vinegar or lemon juice, I let it sit on the stove for a while on VERY low heat, then I cook it and up it goes!
Kerry
I usually shoot a little less than a fifty patch.

Leave dead things alone.

[skank69]

Fent is the only drug I have iv'd and woke up with the needle still in, kinda scary, it was a pretty high dose though.

Zoop's right, lemon juice isn't good to inject. If you really need to have injectable citric acid, vitamin C is a safer choice.
is it worth doing it that way dose it last very long and how much do you use

[TOOL]

is it worth doing it that way dose it last very long and how much do you use


No very bad idea in the sake of harm reduction... you can OD way easy.... not good stuff

[skank69]

No very bad idea in the sake of harm reduction... you can OD way easy.... not good stuff
ya it dose'nt sound like the smartest way to do it .smoke'in it is bad enough my lungs are killing me!! lol

[More Feen]

Fentanyl, it seems to me, seems to be such a great blocker of pain, that it blocks out its own euphoric rush.

Does that make any sense?

I know that fentanyl makes swIm insensitive to pain, puts him in a GREAT f*cking mood, but has never given a euphoric rush.

Honestly, swIm gets a better rush from 30mgs of oral codeine, than with fent. BUT, fent really makes swIm insensitive to pain.

swIm has used fent when coming off of a long Morphine jag--worked wonders.

[bronyraur]

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