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exitwound

01-16-2006, 12:45 AM

I've been here for a while and I think that some of you have heard my story by now. I'll spare you the details, but rest assured that I am a multi-year CP sufferer with a baby son and a wife to take care of who can barely get out of bed no less funtion on his current meds.

I need to get my hands on supplementary Hydro (or anything else that will be of use and will cost me a reasonable amount!) and am throwing myself on the mercy of the Opiophile Inebria-nation.....I do of course keep my eyes on source sites like DrugBuyers, RXPharmacyForum etc but I suspect that some of y'all might be aware of sources that don't make it to such public hot-spots.

I am running low on meds and am in the middle of the worst flare-up of my life. My family needs me and I am just plain falling apart like this. Anyone who can help, your kindness is much appreciated whether it's posted publicly, via PM, IM or email....I'm no newbie, but I'm also not an old-hand junkie either and so I suspect there are some fairly obvious possibilities (other than go score some H on the black market since I'm homebound in the middle of the great white northern forests of New England!) that I might be overlooking...

Anyhow, thanks to all and I will do my damndest to return any and all favors -- both individually and collectively to this amazing community that I am happy to have found after all this time on the "entheogenic" web I think I've finally found a place that can be of the most help to someone with my tremendous pain problems.

paperrabbit

01-16-2006, 08:24 PM

tjhardwood

01-17-2006, 03:08 PM

I have been running out of meds myself, I was in two very serious car crashes about 3 years ago since then my ins. company will not pay anymore, of my bills. I have been ordering from overseas which is fine but, I have only found 2 places that I will trust sending money to. I am very aware of the busts that happened and that was terrible! My life with the pain got very bad for a while till I found those guys. Dont get me wrong they are very reliable but, they only carry a very limited selection if you know what I mean I really need something with a little more "KICK" norco is the only thing I can get from these guys and even then they are only 7.5's. If anyone can share some other places I would be in ypur debt! Oh yeah, 2 bulging disks hurt like a _____! Thank you in advance for any help.

exitwound

01-17-2006, 10:55 PM

One place that I've heard about is AbacusMeds.com....if you're a legit pain sufferer they'll give you your first fill without records, and they offer 120 count which is getting rarer.

If you send in records and ID, you'll get two extra refills at about half the cost of the initial consult/fill/shipping etc. It's a fairly decent deal that way.

tjhardwood

01-18-2006, 04:30 PM

Thank you for the suggestion I will try them I had heard of them before from another forum, so again thank you.

exitwound

01-20-2006, 06:51 PM

jacky

02-23-2006, 12:44 AM

perhaps trying some herbs/vitamins might help "beefen" up the analgesia or lower some tolerance effects? there are some real handy methods of juggling dosage, and manipulating sedation/tolerance that help a person manage a habit.

I know that some doctors are using dxm milligram to milligram with DXM to manage pain, this is an FDA approved practise I believe for helping to moderate tolerance to opiates in people with chronic pain/illness. in my past experience a person might only need to take the DXM once a week to gain a beneficial effect. basically I would take DXM on my sunday or saturday night, and the following two days especially I could cut my dose and experience a stronger effect from the opioids...then I would work the dose back up again the rest of the week.

ashwaghanda, dan shen, and other herbs can have a comfortable somniferic effect that some people might enjoy with opioids.

good luck, and I hope your condition gets better!!!

exitwound

02-23-2006, 01:19 AM

I've tried a lot of exactly what you're describing, Jacky. There's some validity to a lot of them, but the differences they make are barely (if at all) noticeable. One thing that does seem to help is the addition of 5-HTP occasionally.....it seems that the higher serotonin levels, and other effects of 5-hydroxytryptophan metabolism, work to balance other neurotransmitters and seem to make opiates more effective -- recently I've read that it is believed that 5-htp, during metabolism, helps the opiate molecules more efficiently reach and bind to the right receptors.

doctor diesel

02-23-2006, 04:12 AM

I've been here for a while and I think that some of you have heard my story by now. I'll spare you the details, but rest assured that I am a multi-year CP sufferer with a baby son and a wife to take care of who can barely get out of bed no less funtion on his current meds. I need to get my hands on supplementary Hydro (or anything else that will be of use and will cost me a reasonable amount!) and am throwing myself on the mercy of the Opiophile Inebria-nation.....I do of course keep my eyes on source sites like DrugBuyers, RXPharmacyForum etc but I suspect that some of y'all might be aware of sources that don't make it to such public hot-spots. I am running low on meds and am in the middle of the worst flare-up of my life. .

Exit,

I look after my wife, who has chronic fibromyalgia and goes through periods of very intense pain. She's regularly dosed up on codeine phosphate and tramadol, and when she's got particularly intransigent pain she has 3 or 4 0.2mcg buprenorphine pills.
But there are times when this lot isn't sufficient, and even though she is very codeine tolerant, I keep in reserve large amounts of codeine sulphate pills obtained at fairly reasonable cost from Jupiter Pharmacy, based in Canada. Although she's well past the ability to get high on codeine due to three years' of tolerance, we have found that 200mg of the stuff will knock away just about any pain she's suffering. It may be considered the 'weak opiate' but if you give sufficient of it, it's still a fantastic pain reliever.
However, the ultimate pain relief - beyond compare - that I give her (when needed) is poppy tea; this is far more effective than anything medics have ever given her - other than one time when she had gallstones and the doc gave her an injection of pethidine in the ass.
What I'm saying, Exit, is you'll be surprised by how powerful 200mg of codeine is, and that it's easily, reliably available from Jupiter; also that the dried pods are easy enough to obtain, and don't have to be too costly, and the tea is - as we say in England- the "mutt's nuts" for ultimate pain relief.
By all means PM me for sources.
Good luck fellow!

Doc Diesel.;)

shaunclo

02-23-2006, 11:42 AM

I am working with some ROPs which require me to send in my medical records (not a problem as I have a very real and very painful condition which I am being treated for and which could potentially go on for the rest of my life), but I have to wait until next week to hear if they'll accept what I've sent them and go ahead with sending me my supplemental meds.

I have to say, that after my refills with these places run out, I will almost certainly stop taking hydro. It's rapidly becoming all but useless to me! I need something more effective, potent, and useful for long-term pain.

Hey EW, you know what, Doc Diesel made an excellent recommendation for you. Poppy pod tea would help you out with your pain more than you think. Its quite nice, a lot of people under-estimate the power of PT. I remember reading that the methadone wasnt something that would help you out, other than when your getting low on your other stash, but you need to try PT. I gurantee it would lessen your groin pain and its quite cheap also. Let us know if you try it.

exitwound

02-23-2006, 08:15 PM

I've been using tea and other poppy products (pills of grounds, and also fresh pods/stems/latex from my own homegrown poppies) for about a year now. They tend to make me nauseous and tea doesn't keep very long, but I definitely take advantage of them when I can!

Fresh latex gathered by chopping pods off of their stems and gathering the white milky liquid that oozes from both sides of the cut, then placed under the tongue, is a very fast-acting and effective painkiller. I use it whenever it's available; in fact, the difference in pain levels between being "sober" and having some latex available, is exactly what convinced me to start seeing a doctor again. Even though they are very nearly useless for treating my condition itself or even completely/properly dealing with the pain, it's better than being entirely on my own and having to fend completely for myself when it comes to pain medication.

I'm trying for a hybrid approach.

ontario_opiophile

02-24-2006, 01:31 AM

I am being treated for lupus, high blood pressure, 2 blood disorders, I have an inflammatory bowel disease, fibromyalgia, i'm getting arthritis in my knees, I have some sort of vascular/heart problem that i'm looking into now. I've been told I had leukemia when I first got sick, it changed to everything from addisons disease, to cancer of some gland that produces cortisol. Now those have all been ruled out. They just can't seem to figure it out. I've been seeing doctors all the fucking time and nothing, no help. No pain relief. I suffer from chronic fevers, which is extremely rare. I have a fever 24 hours a day. It never goes away. Imagine having a low-medium grade fever all the time. I feel like a fucking zombie, I can't even walk around the block without feeling all sorts of pain for a week and ending up more bed ridden than I already am. There is such a lack of pain control where I live (Canada) There is such a lack of doctors. It's disgusting. I should be in University learning and moving forwards, but instead i've been sitting in my room for almost 4 years now. When they thought I had leukemia they put me in the hospital for 6 days, then they changed their mind. lol. Then I got out and I still had a blood disorder associate with leukemia but they had done a bone marrow aspiration to rule it out. So anyways, I saw the doctor and he said I wasn't sick, that I was perfectly fine and I have no need for help. He sat there and told me I wasn't feeling sick. And i was beyond ill and still am. So anyways, i've gone through about 50 doctors and I finally have one who puts all the pieces together and realizes how fucking ill I truly am. I have major health issues, and doctors just dick around. If they can't fix me, and make this shit go away, at least a bit, i think I deserve some fucking pain control and maybe some sort of anti-depresant that helps with fatigue. But no, I still don't have any need for pain medicine yup. Doctors are so retarded. I am truly starting to despise them. All they are interested in is poisoning my system with horrible drugs that actually kill people and are very toxic. I think that after almost 4 years, I deserve some relief. If it weren't for my special somemone helping me with m-done i'd be fucked. I would have blown my brains out. Pain is real and it can totally ruin somemones life and I know cuz it's done that to me. The fatigue and fevers are worse to me but pain can be controlled VERY easily, and if you give me something to take i can tell if it's going to work within 30 minutes or not. So why the hell is this so out of reach, why can't Dr. Quack put the pen on the prescription pad and help me for once. I don't abuse, i enjoy opiates, but I take what i'm supposed to, usually never more unless I actually need it? why do i have to keep suffering. Why does anyone in my position have to suffer? I have fibromyalgia as well and thats a condition that needs pain medicine 99% of the time. Still I get nothing. The doctor has sat down given me all the tests and said yup you have Fibromyalgia and then he didnt say another word about it. He sent me home. lol. Something has to change. I'm sure tons of you on this website suffer and have to score on the street or steal it from a loved one and deceive them because no one takes you seriously. It's easy for a doc to wash his hands clean of you and not think about you, but you have to go home and live in agony and every second seems like an hour. I truly hope that Exitwound and the others here find a reliable, safe, source of pain medicine, preferable from a doctor. If you have to buy illegally then do what you have to do. It's a fucking shame. Sorry I wrote so much. I just feel very strongly about the shitty healthcare system where I live. There are 10 pain doctors in my city of 1.2 million, that give out opiate based pain medication. None of them are accepting patients. There is no way to get in. They have stopped and are working part time and retiring soon, they only keep the people who are in severe pain and got rid of the rest. It's fucking ridiculous. I wish some opiophile members would become doctors, if there are any docs who are part of this site, send me a message I could use some help. Although there probably aren't many docs on here, i'm pretty sure most of us would be stripped of our licences because we'd prescribe ourselves all sorts of goodies. Oh well, Okay I'm going to bed now i've ranted enough. Have a good weekend everyone, be safe, and watch out for cops if your in posession of anything funky.

HistoryofMadness

02-24-2006, 01:52 AM

I suffer from chronic fevers, which is extremely rare. I have a fever 24 hours a day. It never goes away. Imagine having a low-medium grade fever all the time. I feel like a fucking zombie, I can't even walk around the block without feeling all sorts of pain for a week and ending up more bed ridden than I already am.
This may sound crazy, but I recently saw a documentary on Lyme's disease and this sounds like it... ever heard of / checked on that?

-H

ontario_opiophile

02-24-2006, 02:17 AM

it's interesting you said that I actually have looked intoit and was sent to see a doctor about infectious diseass, and lyme was supposed to be what he was going to check out, and he never did. He seemed focused on TB and i dont even have TB he wanted me to come back though so who knows. I have done a fair bit of camping and slept exposed on the forest floor with nothing more than a tarp and a sleeping bag so I have been exposed to tons of ticks and they carry it so who knows. I have to write that down. You just reminded me i have to go back and check that out. Thanks haha. That would be weird if it was. I always wondered if it was I guess i'll have to do more tests to find out. But apparently it's one of those diseases that you can't really do many tests for but who knows. I've been checked for so many things. Ive been told I had CANCER!! lol. Doctors are a joke. they had me thinking i was going to die for a while. I stll think I may die but I'm starting to lose my fath in them. i'm being treated for lupus which is somwhat like Lyme disease. Lupus has the fevers, arthritis, fatigue, red swelling, the autoiimmune blood disorders so I have all the lupus problems, i just dont have positive ANA"s which is ana nuclear antibody or anti nuclear antibody or something i dont know. But most people who have it have high ANA's. It's so confusing. I have a high creatine kinase enzyme as well so that means I have severe neurological muscular damage. I havent gotten word back on why it's high but i'm going to ask one of my many specialists. I have about 10 doctors. I have to get an EMG which is that thing they poke into your muscles to see if anything is wrong with how they are working or not working or so i've read. I could have a neurological problem along with all of this other stuff. There just so much wrong it's insane. I have had 100,000+ $ worth of medical care this year, thank god wedont pay for ithere in Canada. Our healthcare is kind shitty for paincontrol, but I get into the doctors quickly,moreso than other people because i'm priority due to all these problems. I'm just lucky I can get help fast. Most people wait 8-12 months to have another appointment with my doctors. It's just sickening. I only wait 2-4 weeks so i'm prtty damn lucky. It was hard to even get to see any doctors when they were first figuring allthis stuff out. I was told i was just depressed and a pussybasically by a few docs. I hope the medical care where you all live is better than mine. Right now it's equivalent to what i'd get in the U.S.A and better than i'd get in the UK but thats only because I get special treatment. Anyways thanks for mentioning the Lyme i hve to phone the doctor to get into see him about that. Night.

HistoryofMadness

02-24-2006, 02:24 AM

Anyways thanks for mentioning the Lyme i hve to phone the doctor to get into see him about that. Night.
Just wanted to run that by... the guy on the film had a similar story: no one knew what the hell was wrong, doc to doc, pain, etc. Sounds like a bitch; hope that's not it!

-H

exitwound

02-24-2006, 09:23 AM

O_O, sounds like you're in much the same boat that I am. Not a particularly fun boat ride, is it? :(

JimmyJoe

02-24-2006, 10:27 PM

O_O, sounds like you're in much the same boat that I am. Not a particularly fun boat ride, is it? :(

No, chronic pain is no fun at all and can pretty much keep you from living a normal life. I have debilitating migraines and have had them most of my life. I also hurt my back and when it flares up I can't do a damn thing. But the headaches can really cut into your productivity. I like to read alot and I simply can't do as much as I want because of the headaches. But both of you seem to be much worse off than even I am in terms of pain. The DEA under Bush came pretty close to getting Hydro rescheduled as a class II instead of a class III in 2004, but luckily enough doctors realized how much that would literally ruin the lives of thousands in chronic pain and stood up to them. I don't know if there is still a move to reschedule it or whether they dropped it, but I wouldn't be surprised to see it come up again before Bush's term is up. If they did do that it would pretty much shut down even legit internet pharmacies since rescheduling it would actually require the prescribing doctor to do a physical exam instead of just relying on medical records. The Pain Relief Network is pretty much an activist site but they may have some good links on pain-related issues.

hovadagod

02-24-2006, 11:29 PM

JimmyJoe

02-25-2006, 01:06 AM

I think it would actually make doctors start rxing CII's more often. They would have to and would have an excuse. It would open the door to doctors rx'ing CII's more often if it worked out right. What else would they do? They can't expect codeine and darvocet to work for moderate to sever pain. So they'd have to stock up on those pretty blue pads.

I'm not so sure. One of my friends had a tooth pulled the other day and his dentist gave him Tylenol #2 and he used to give hydro cause my friend had gotten it from him before. He asked the dentist about it, and the dentist said he wasn't federally licensed to prescribe anything stronger than that (I don't even think the doc was telling the truth about that, he was just being cautious). And, I've read about that sort of thing happening to others when they have gone to see the doctor recently. I think doctors will be afraid to prescribe them except for stuff like terminal illness like it is now and if it comes to relieving patients or keeping themselves out of hot water, they're gonna look out for themselves. And who can blame them? In the last 4 years or so prosecution of doctors has more than doubled (I think I read it had tripled under the current administration.) I think rescheduling hydro as a CII is a really bad idea. If anything, some of the current schedule II's should be bumped down to schedule III precisely for the reason you mentioned -- that it takes strong drugs to fight strong pain. It scares me to think, I might become seriously ill and the doctor will only be able to give me vioxx or some other worthless medicine for the pain.

Seems to me that if we don't have the right over our own bodies to alleviate chronic pain we don't have the right to much of anything. I'm an active person, but there have been times that I have been literally laid up in bed because of pain, and opiates are still pretty much the best drugs around to help distract your brain from the pain. Something as simple as a migraine can really wreak havoc in a person's daily life and for me at least, they keep me from getting anything done. The opiate high means nothing to me but being able to get out of bed and do my daily routine does. They'll give you allergy medicine, imitrex and all this other junk for migraines which for me is pretty much useless since it doesn't help much (at least in my case) but they are getting more reluctant about prescribing opiates for anything short of amputations and cancer -- at least where I live. A friend told me that pot really helps with migraines but of course that is illegal too (even though its 100 percent natural and has been used as a medicine for centuries). The pill companies are only interested in making money and not in making pain patients' lives more productive and liveable. And the gov't playing doctor these days and second-guessing doctors ain't helping much either.

exitwound

02-25-2006, 01:43 AM

HistoryofMadness

02-25-2006, 02:01 AM

By the way, just as a reminder -- I never intended to ask or solicit any kind of illict deal. I was just curious about legitimate, reliable sources for people in my situation. I certainly would never want to break any of the site's rules, after all the Opiophorum has been nothing but good to me!

Speaking on this topic I pm'd you regarding a pain situation I was/am in ... did I screw that up or did you choose not to answer? I respect it if you did, just wanted to make sure I didn't send it to the wrong person.

-H

exitwound

02-25-2006, 03:22 AM

Speaking on this topic I pm'd you regarding a pain situation I was/am in ... did I screw that up or did you choose not to answer? I respect it if you did, just wanted to make sure I didn't send it to the wrong person.

-H

The questions you asked were complex, and because I have never had addiction issues, I found myself wanting to write very complex answers. I have a young baby, a business to run and a lot of stuff that is (as you can see) keeping me up way too late at night....I haven't been able to find the time to do justice to the matter at hand. I'm not sure when I will be; I did get your message, though. I will try to find time to offer some useful feedback when I am able.

doctor diesel

02-27-2006, 07:11 AM

Ontario,
Lyme's and fibromyalgia symptoms are so very, very similar that it could well be that you have Lyme's rather than fibro - seeing as fibro can't actually be medically confirmed anyway. Just in case it is fibro, have you heard of the guaifenesin protocol?
I know a shit-hot Lyme's disease specialist in the UK who can deal with patients (if he has to) by telephone consultation and by sending a pack of stuff in the post, for you to supply blood samples and do other DIY tests. He is one of very few people in the world to have some fancy microscope which allows him to see the Lyme's bug (borrelia) in the blood and give you either a negative or positive. If it's positive he then treats with specific antibiotics.
It's not a hideously expensive service either - might be worth you looking into - PM me for a contact.
Also, I'd just like to say how much I feel for you, as I've been looking after my wife with fibro for four years now, and it's her extreme pain that got me into studying opiates, acquiring the heaven-sent poppy pods, and this excellent forum, of course.
Keep your chin up, as we say in Blighty!

Doc Diesel

mmnyc9

02-27-2006, 08:16 AM

The Religious Right has such a foot hold I wonder if things will ever change. It's fucking crazy if your in pain and there are Medications that work there's not one reason a person should not get whatever they need to make them function! It used to be the Republican Party stood for less Government in our lives at least that's what was represented. Who knows what they stand for I don't.

superman

04-20-2006, 02:41 AM

"It's fucking crazy if your in pain and there are Medications that work there's not one reason a person should not get whatever they need to make them function!"

well said. it's amazing how much productivity i have lost. but on the other hand it is a hell of a motivation for success when only lots of money will enable access to all the pharmaceuticals one needs to be a very happy and productive member of society.

ssjTiamat

04-21-2006, 01:39 PM

Hi Guys!

This is my first post here but since finding this site yesterday during a random search.. I am failry impressed by some of the info I am seeing. Just my kind of community.

Seems like some of you are in need of an online source for Hydro. Well I can help. I am rather surprised that what I am about to divulge is not common knowledge here, but I guess I assumed it was just more widespread then it actually is.

I have been using Hydro and Oxy for about 3 years now for chronic pain. I have used the online source I am going to tell you about in a minute for a little over a year. I have used others in the past, but this one has been consistantly wonderful and reliable. I use them for my back up meds when needed.

The site is Norcoworldwide.com and the strongest med they offer is Norco 10/325. Perfect if your tolerance is not extremely high. But even if it is.. you just ahve to take 4-5 at a time and your ok. Here is how the system works.

You will schedule a Consultation with one of their Med. Practitioners which will cost you $120 upfront via credit card. They will schedule it usually within a day and they are always on time with the phone call. Thats right, they will call you at teh scheduled time to do the consult. Very simple process. They ask you what med your looking for and how much of it (max 4 per day for 30 days = 120 tabs). They will then ask you for what med. condition and actually sometimes they dont even ask that. But one thing they will always request is that you send in current med. records. But that is also a simple process, just fax 'em in,. Then they ask for your shipping preference in terms of how soon you need the meds and your all done. The cost for 120 tabs of Norco 10/325 is $125 ... not too bad. Plus shipping. Now with the med records.. they DO want them but you can get your first fill if your a new customer without the records. But you will not get any of your refills until the med records are received and approved. Sorry, forgot to mention that with your prescription they give you you also get 2 refills. Not bad again!

Thats about it. Just follow their instructions and rules and your all set. Like I said I have used NWW for just over a year now and have never had an issue. And because they are sticklers for the meds records they will stay in business for a good long time. But if you have any questions or concerns about them feel free to ask me here or via a PM or check out their site. They have a pretty extensive and active message board too.

I hope this helps and I hope I made a good impression for my very first opiophile.com post :)

See ya round!

ssjTiamat

antony

04-21-2006, 02:02 PM

http://www.modernsurf.com/spam/spamanm.gif

hmm, no med records on first fill eh? do you guys COD

devilsdrug

04-21-2006, 10:40 PM

antony damn you on it if they would let me give out any more ptss today you get em

ssjTiamat

04-21-2006, 11:20 PM

LOL.. sorry but I dont work for the dudes over at NWW.. just answering the original question.

But yea.. they do take COD I think there is an extra charge added for that tho.. like $10 or $12

I guess you can say it is fairly safe money wise although in the forums there is a few who have had a bad experience. And in typical tyranical webmaster fashion, if you don't see the posts right away they tend to be deleted by a mod if they are really bad. But I have seen that on plenty of sites. You gotta take the good with the bad sometimes. I have had some minor shipping issues but nothing major that could not be fixed. But any shipping issue is major when your out of meds and W/D kicks in and you just found out that it is gonna be another 3-4 days before you see Fed-Ex pull up to your door.

Anyway.. I would be happy to answer any questions I can from my exp. with using the service over the last year and a half, but probably best to check them out yourself. Just try to always use a credit card because no matter what anybody tells you (theres a story there) if they screw up you are usually covered by the credit card company via a chargeback!

ssj out!

BTW.. nice can of spam..

antony

04-22-2006, 10:11 AM

ssjTiamat

04-23-2006, 02:18 AM

I have a lot of questions about abacus, can you answer them? Sorry if it sounds abusive, but when you come around here on your first post RAVING about norcoworldwide, youre gonna get some flack.

lemme put it different: Im glad norcoworl.. is a good service that helps you out. but that sounded like a script for a commerical on Rush Limbaughs show.

need any gov't cheese for that spam

Ohh dude.. I totally understand. Its all good. I just tried to have fun with it after the fact. I have been around long enuf to understand that. And your right.. Im sure it did sound that way. I was just trying to be as helpful as possible and to give enuf info to do so. I know when I first started getting into the whole OP scene I was frustrated with posts that only touched on subjects that could have totally saved me a ton had they been more informative. But yea.. I know where your coming from and its all good my friend.

As far as abacus goes I had just heard of them the other day when I did my first looking around here at opiophile. What I can tell you tho is that for their prices and the quantities you get for those prices I would really stay away. A long time ago I decided that I was just never going to get Oxy online. Or anything stronger than Norco for that matter. So Just stuck with that thinking and moved on from there. Because In my entire 5 years in doing this I have seen only 2 actual legit sites for ordering the stuff and abacus is one of the 2! The other is no longer around. The only other online source I have ever seen is mail-order thru email - which 99% of the time is a complete scam. That is all I can say about that. Hope that helps even a little. Maybe someone else has a different opinion?

Thanks.

ssjTiamat

alowishus

04-23-2006, 02:51 AM

Perfect if your tolerance is not extremely high. But even if it is.. you just ahve to take 4-5 at a time and your ok.

http://img57.imageshack.us/img57/6259/fos6tx.jpg

ssjTiamat

04-23-2006, 01:33 PM

thanks.. i love you too.

g0forit

04-23-2006, 03:36 PM

lol.... i too can vouche for nww. great company and they are very helpful and quick. when i first placed my original order for my consultation, i was called within 5 minutes of submitting the form. then had the medication on my doorstep the very next afternoon :)

but yeah i'll have to admit... it did kinda sound like you were pitching a sale ;P

ssjTiamat

04-23-2006, 10:01 PM

but yeah i'll have to admit... it did kinda sound like you were pitching a sale ;P

LMFAO! Yea.. I know. Funny now as I look back. But thats ok.. cuz I am ful of shit I hear. LOL :D

flipside

05-01-2006, 08:58 AM

Just my 2 cents. As a terminally ill patient with mu,ltiple chronic pain conditions like Fibromyalgia, lupus, RA, OA, migraines ( related to a tumor) a ccompletely degenerated spine and a bleeding disorder, It has taken be 3 years of fighting to get any never mind adequate pain relief. My PCP was prescribing for me so I did not have to travel 4 hours each way to the pain clinic for my meds, until the DEA called him and told him to cease & desistst. It was not " withing his scope of nrmal practice" to write shedule II narcotics on a regular basis. Precisely, this was no pill mill, I was being offered a quality of life by the only doctor willing to write for me after hours of consultation with me and my family, as well as a seven page letter from me explaining the lack of quality of life. I identify and empathize with all of you, not oly am I unable to care for myself,after a month i the hospital I can no longer care for my son. he is 2 years old and has CP and is legally blind(he had a stroke in utero due to lack of oxygen when my heart and lungs stopped) I ended up on a vent for 5 weeks, he was born 3 months early and my family was called from all over to say good- bye, they were told i was going t die. Similar situation last month, after surgery to remove a malignancy I was sent home 3 days later to end up back at PCP's with a tmp of 103.9 and was sent home & told I had a virusus. in reality I had an abdomen pooled with infection and had almost bled out. After another emergency surgery which I as well as family was told I would not survive, was sent home again to be re-admitted the next day with pneumonia. Sent home 5 days later, actually stayed home for 4 days (in withdrawal and pain because of the amount of Dilaudid they were giving methrough a PCA in addittion to my Duragesic patch, sent home with my Duragesic only, ended up in ER and surgery with a pulmonary embolism that next day. Until recently I had three options, check into a nursing home for pain management and MABEY some physical conditioning ( I have lost 40% of my muscle mass due to immobility), I am 41 years old, have a 2 year old, a 8year old, and a 17 year old at home, a 21, and 23 year old back on the East Coast where I amfrom originally. I really should move back to Baltimore where I worked as a nurse for 13 yearsd at Hopkins and was a patient at tier pain clinic and got excellent care. Unfortunately I was an exception. I have no gaurantee that if I move back I would get the same care today 3 years later. I guess I'm just venting,The state of pain control in this country is criminal. What the DEA is doing is tantamount to practicing medicine without a license, and the HMO's have been doing that for years already, the God help those who don't have insurance...I recently through dumb luck and lots of research found a pain clinic near me and got a doctor who took one look at my records and actually apologized for m,y lack of treatment, she said it was unconcionable that I had suferred so long and been udermedicated. She even called my family in to promise my kids they wer gonna get tier Mommy back, at least mentally present with them once the pain had cleared. I am SO Fortunate, most every pain specialist I have seen (and I;'ve seen some of the country's top 10) are strictly interventional, however because of my bleding disoreder and my other medical issues, none of the non-narcotic options are available to me. Surgery is the optin I was pushing for even though I have been told in no uncertain terms it could very well cost me my life.I told every surgeoun I saw that at this point it was quality vs. quantity and that I'd rather slip off painklessly under anesthesia trying top fight then linger and suffer. I selfishly (my family thinks) am a DNR, however, I am revising that now that I have a doctor willing to medicate me. I know I will never be pain free untill I am six feet under, however, as u all know chronic pain is an all consuming, full time fucking job and the pay is your life. I am very active in pushing chronic pain legislation, and end of life choices as well as healthcare ascess. It is my anger I think that has kept me going and finding otheres like those of you o this site...just knowing I am not alone and having others to share with ehlps o much at the same time it breaks my heart. Wer are one of the most underserved and helpless of the population. So easy to vicitmize from the dealers on the street to our own doctors. Truly at the mercy of others, then we take matters into our own hands when left eith no othe choice but to self medicate then are penalized if found out like HA! Gottcha, I knew they were drug seeking, and then the dctors get to pat themselves on their back and feel justified in denying us the most basic and humane care.Leaving crappy alternatives like OP's, and seeking meds from the oly sources left available to us. It sucks, I'm sorry for the rant, but it's been long overdue, and even though I am being medicated at this point I am still undermedicated, but so afraid to rock the boat I am very wary of pushing the pain doctor for fear I'll lose what meds I am recieving. I was left on my own for three years using Op's and whatever other means necessary to obtain relief, now I need to do that to manage breakthrough. Unfortunately the decent (the one's that deliver~but cost an arm and a leg) are dissapearing fast. Scary. I think I am going to try the poppysed tea, but wonder how it will show up in a tox screen since my pain doctor randomnly does U/A's. I would imagine the metabolites of opium break down into the same metabolites of Fentanyl. If anyone knows would appreciate the info. Sorry for the rant, but thanks for the oppurtunity. Feel free to e-mail or Pm me re:OP's.

reddragon3668

05-01-2006, 09:28 AM

flipside, I am sorry to hear about your ordeal. There are so many horror stories out there. I have been fortunate to not have any trouble being medicated properly, but I know my situation is an exception rather than the rule. I am glad to hear that you are active on the legislative front. Something really has to be done about the DEA interfering with people's right and ability to obtain and legally consume medications that increase their quality of life. Chronic pain is debilitating. It really touches all aspects of our lives. I want to move from this area to a better location geographically, but I am so afraid that I will not be able to find a physcian that will treat me the way I am being treated now. It sucks. So, there are so many people here that know somewhat of what your going through. And I agree, support is a great asset.

Curio

05-01-2006, 11:38 AM

I've been ripped off trying to obtain CII opiates through an IOP, so I tried CIIIs from ROPs over the past few years and these are some that I feel will last the duration (until the DEA figures out how to stop ALL online sales):

www.rxscriptonline.com Uses Avee pharmacy, which will provide 15/200 hydro/apap compounds that are actually potent...one other place I used prior to that sent capsules that were so obviously crap because I not only had no pain control, but was having withdrawals ~ even though I had previously been on the 10/325 norcos! Then, they cancelled out my refills when I complained and wanted to transfer the prescription as a last resort ~ because they even wanted more money just to change the medication to a factory brand or generic when I had already purchased their two expensive refills that were consistently sub=par!

www.youronlinedoctor.com uses Woody pharmacy and I think you can only get the 10/80 compounds through YOD now, used to be you could get 15/80s...still better than the norcos when you require a high dosage and you're watching out for your liver!

www.yourpainmanagement.com I don't know who they use as a pharmacy, but the owner posts in some of the forums and apparently he has become pretty friendly with the DEA...now take that however you will, but with all the expanding he's done opening a separate pharmacy, some other pain related websites, etc ... I get the feeling he's got the inside track on how to stick around and won't be one to disappear via an online pharmacy takedown operation.

The other suggestion I will post is DHC, dihydrocodeine...VERY potent, IMHO...maybe not as much as hydro, but you can get the DHC as a single pill, with NO apap...
SWIM ordered twice from www.igloorx.com (used to be pharm88)
and received orders in LESS than two weeks...very good for an IOP, and they even take credit cards, which is becoming more and more rare with IOPs and ROPs as the DEA tries to cut the legs off all of the supply and money, etc...to these sites!

Hope that helps one or two folks! It saved my life to learn some of this info over the last few years...I would've driven off a cliff or blown my brains out same as O_O with the way things were headed...

Curio

05-01-2006, 11:44 AM

I would NOT use the ROP abacusmeds...
I WOULD, however, use www.abacusonlinegrp.com, which is unofficially an IOP...
SWIM has had multiple orders and received every one on time as well....just a little inconsistent on the communication end of things which heightens the anxiety a tad...goes with the territory, eh?

candyshop

05-01-2006, 01:59 PM

candy

05-01-2006, 03:09 PM

It is unfortunate that this happens and no one should have to suffer under any circumstances. Pain management is one of the most misunderstood concepts in healthcare today.

After major surgery, I was given Vicodin. Being on 80mg of Methadone I knew it would do nothing. Even loaded with an armful of information regarding pain control for patients on Methadone, I was still given Vicodin. You don't give Vicodin to someone with Hep C, tell them to take as many as necessary to control pain, and expect pain control.

Anyway, my point is that pain is seen as something subjective by doctors and other healthcare providers. If a patient does not exhibit what would be considered pain or symptoms of pain(moaning, writhing, crying, guarding, increase in vital signs) the doctor does not believe or see the patient as being in pain or enough pain to be medicated...This is a subjective approach to pain.

Pain is objective or should be treated objectively. Pain manifests itself in many different ways and not all patients exhibit signs or symptoms of pain in the same way. Just because you don't moan and groan or rock back and forth, doesn't mean your not feeling pain. Especially for someone who lives with chronic pain. So, patients are often left to suffer or are undermedicated. If a patient does not appear to be symptomatic they are seen as med-seeking or exaggerating their symptoms. The doctor does not look objectively at the patient and how they are coping with the stress of daily pain.
Do you really expect someone with back pain to rock back and forth.

I have seen it firsthand and it makes me absolutely sick. If you go to more than one doctor, you are seen as doctor shopping or med-seeking. Would you go back to same mechanic if he couldn't fix your car? NO! Why should someone continue to see the same doctor who won't treat them appropriately.

Sure, there are those who are only looking for meds, but if a doctor whould spend more time getting to know his patients healthcare would change.
How many times have you walked in with a list of things to talk about to the doctor and walked out feeling intimidated and overlooked. Either you forgot what you wanted to discuss or felt dismissed by his attitude and his hurrying manner. I know I have and do many others. It is difficult to discuss your needs in a few minutes and when that doctor has his hand on the doorknob and asks you,"is there anything else?" as he is walking out the door! What message is he sending? I don't have time for you!
Not all patients speak up or understand all the medical terms and so many patients have just stopped trying to fight their doctor or lack the insurance and money to keep going back.

And no one should be forced to lie or keep information out when seeing the doctor. I myself no longer volunteer about the fact that I am on Methadone. While pain control might be an issue for me, I will deal with it in some other way. Don't offer any information that you feel might be misinterpreted. You don't want to volunteer that you had a problem with pain meds a few years back. Unless you are faced with a life-threatening situation or in the event of an accident, keep that information to yourself.

While addiction may be seen as a disease in the medical textbooks, it isn't treated as one and with all the recent hype regarding the abuse of prescription pain meds, most docs are treating everyone they see as someone with a potential to abuse.

I know it may be difficult for those living with chronic conditions that cause pain. I can only imagine what it must be like. No one should be forced to buying their pain meds from some source thousands of miles away and paying the costs not only financially, but emotionally as well.

And I wish there was something I could do....

Opiyum

05-01-2006, 03:16 PM

it just sickens and enrages me to hear stories like flipsides and the others ,this is all i see getting accomplished by the war on drugs -no one should have to suffer pain when we have a cure (i also believe that adult human beings should actually have ownership of our own bodies and what we like with em,but not the point here) it is just fuckin vile that people are forced into situation where they have to go up against the law just to try to avoid horrible suffering -this is not a civilised country

Have you forgotten?
Noone owns their body we lease!
"From who?" you might ask.
"eghemmm."
Why from the lord of course, and what a fair and just lord he is and DAMN! YOU! WOMEN! if you think....For one moment that you can pervade that beautiful temple he provided for your soul with the milk of that damnable heathen of a plant the...Pop.....peeee...! A. M. E. N. my brothers.
"Amen."
"Can I get an Amen!"
"AMEN!"

(cue "I feel good" James Brown.):music2:

Dance Junkies! Dance!

exitwound

05-01-2006, 11:45 PM

It is unfortunate that this happens and no one should have to suffer under any circumstances. Pain management is one of the most misunderstood concepts in healthcare today.
After major surgery, I was given Vicodin. Being on 80mg of Methadone I knew it would do nothing. Even loaded with an armful of information regarding pain control for patients on Methadone, I was still given Vicodin. You don't give Vicodin to someone with Hep C, tell them to take as many as necessary to control pain, and expect pain control.
Anyway, my point is that pain is seen as something subjective by doctors and other healthcare providers. If a patient does not exhibit what would be considered pain or symptoms of pain(moaning, writhing, crying, guarding, increase in vital signs) the doctor does not believe or see the patient as being in pain or enough pain to be medicated...This is a subjective approach to pain.
Pain is objective or should be treated objectively. Pain manifests itself in many different ways and not all patients exhibit signs or symptoms of pain in the same way. Just because you don't moan and groan or rock back and forth, doesn't mean your not feeling pain. Especially for someone who lives with chronic pain. So, patients are often left to suffer or are undermedicated. If a patient does not appear to be symptomatic they are seen as med-seeking or exaggerating their symptoms. The doctor does not look objectively at the patient and how they are coping with the stress of daily pain.
Do you really expect someone with back pain to rock back and forth.
I have seen it firsthand and it makes me absolutely sick. If you go to more than one doctor, you are seen as doctor shopping or med-seeking. Would you go back to same mechanic if he couldn't fix your car? NO! Why should someone continue to see the same doctor who won't treat them appropriately.
Sure, there are those who are only looking for meds, but if a doctor whould spend more time getting to know his patients healthcare would change.
How many times have you walked in with a list of things to talk about to the doctor and walked out feeling intimidated and overlooked. Either you forgot what you wanted to discuss or felt dismissed by his attitude and his hurrying manner. I know I have and do many others. It is difficult to discuss your needs in a few minutes and when that doctor has his hand on the doorknob and asks you,"is there anything else?" as he is walking out the door! What message is he sending? I don't have time for you!
Not all patients speak up or understand all the medical terms and so many patients have just stopped trying to fight their doctor or lack the insurance and money to keep going back.
And no one should be forced to lie or keep information out when seeing the doctor. I myself no longer volunteer about the fact that I am on Methadone. While pain control might be an issue for me, I will deal with it in some other way. Don't offer any information that you feel might be misinterpreted. You don't want to volunteer that you had a problem with pain meds a few years back. Unless you are faced with a life-threatening situation or in the event of an accident, keep that information to yourself.
While addiction may be seen as a disease in the medical textbooks, it isn't treated as one and with all the recent hype regarding the abuse of prescription pain meds, most docs are treating everyone they see as someone with a potential to abuse.
I know it may be difficult for those living with chronic conditions that cause pain. I can only imagine what it must be like. No one should be forced to buying their pain meds from some source thousands of miles away and paying the costs not only financially, but emotionally as well.
And I wish there was something I could do....

You've done something simply by making that post and showing such care, such understanding about the plight we sufferers go through.

Of course, any of the following would be even more helpful ;)

*oxycodone - oxycontin
*hydromorphone/dilaudid
*fentanyl
*hell, even H

....but then, you probably already knew that :rolleyes: :cool:

flipside

05-02-2006, 03:03 PM

Ditto the above sentiment. Thank you Candee,Probably the most important piece of advice was NOT to share your history with your doctors. Being a nurse (although no longer working) I should have known better than to try and work within the system. I used to counsel clients ( who were working a recovery program or on Meth to be open with thier doctors) prior to my personal experience. Now I say Lie, Lie and deny deny deny. I lie awake at night sometimes wondering who else besides myself I've condemened to thier own private Hell for trying to do the "right" thing and excpecting the same from health care professionals who are supposed to know better. Even an addict, in chronic pain is stilll a patient first and the addict second, we don't treat whole people anymore, just this or that complaint, and as you so astutely pointed out, pain is usually subjective. I ,love your observation "who is gonna rock back & forth with back pain " For real, the state of pain control in this country just plain sucks, and we are supposed to be a civilized Nation? Yeah right.:cool:

shaunclo

05-02-2006, 06:34 PM

You've done something simply by making that post and showing such care, such understanding about the plight we sufferers go through.

Of course, any of the following would be even more helpful ;)

*oxycodone - oxycontin
*hydromorphone/dilaudid
*fentanyl
*hell, even H

....but then, you probably already knew that :rolleyes: :cool:

EW, I think personally that H would completely fuck you over. The reason I say this is that I think H can be a chronic-pain sufferers worst nightmare. There are mnay reason I think so, here are a couple.

1 - there is no such thing as a constant supply of H
2 - nothing else will ever work as good EVER AGAIN
3 - once you start, theres no stoppin. And I couldnt even possibly imagine being in pain and not being able to score. You would be fucked for life. I cant imagine the w/d's on top of chronic pain.
4 - NOTHING ELSE WOULD EVER WORK AS GOOD FOR YOU EVER AGAIN

I bring this up EW cause I think it would be the worst decission of your life. If you are in daily pain, than your dealer would need to be right across the street. And even that might not last long. I would stick to things that your doc can prescribe, cause once you cross over, theres just no crossing back. I had a couple of buddies that used H for pain, this was before I ever used, well when their dealer took off because of too much heat, one of them shot himself in the head cause he couldnt handle the w/d's on top of the pain, HE ALSO HAD ACCESS TO ALL SORTS OF PAIN MEDS, BUT THEY DIDNT HELP. He just wanted his H, and thats all he wanted because it was the only thing that worked for him after he tried it. This is just my opinion, but for pain, H can cost you a lot more pain than it can ever take away.

exitwound

05-02-2006, 10:50 PM

You make some damn good points, shaunclo. I've been talking about that fact in some of the other threads where I've recently mentioned H and my general med problems.

I really don't think it's likely anyway that I'll get my hands on H at all in the first place so it's a moot point.....but really, I don't want to get my hands on it. I'd much rather have oxy or dilaudid or fentanyl or anything that works.

Honestly, although I still have a lot of pain to cope with, morphine and hydro are lifesavers for me. I'm certainly better off than I was with nothing, or even with only poppies available to me. But it's incredibly frustrating that I never seem to reach the point where I feel like I can cope and consistently live up to my responsibilities to my wife and baby -- no less my responsibilities to myself! -- with my current regimen. And simply adding more of the same doesn't seem like it would get me there either.

I guess I'm mostly just thinking out loud, hoping that someone will eventually have a bright idea, or connect me with some source, that will fill in at least some of the gaps and help me get closer to my goal of average daily pain levels under a 5 out of 10. Living at 7.5-9.5 is too much to ask of anyone, IMHO. Not for someone who isn't quite even 30 yet and plans to live a long full life with many children and eventually grandchildren!

Anyhow, the bottom line is....you're right. And thanks :-)

jacky

05-03-2006, 12:32 AM

flipsides story is a good example of why this website was started, not all opiophiles are illicit neer do wells....some are people with such intense pain issues that they need every resource they can scratch against a drug monopolizing corporate led hi-archeal system.

I have witnessed cancer patients selling their oxycodones so they can buy heroin because there doctors wont or cant prescribe hydromorphone for breakthrough pain.

I also had two freinds, one an amputee, the other partially paralyzed from the waste down. both incredible people, one a burgeoning anthropologist. both employed, or in school fulltime.
roughly five years to 10 years after their accidents the state pharmacy board of Idaho decided that they had been doing painkillers long enough, and suspended their medication pain relievers. they both ended up on heroin, as there is no methadone programs allowed in Idaho, and this was before the legalization of buprenorphine as a outpatient maintenance drug...well, they both overdosed eventually. I know they made the choice themselves to do heroin...but given the state of contstant pain, I dont blame them. they should have been allowed some sort of pain reliever that was opiate based, pure and simple..they were screwed by a state pharmacy board that refuses to investigate obvious violations that are being perpetrated in Sun Valley Idaho, home to famous millionares, billionares and actors. The state pharmacy board even threatened to throw one of these guys in an institution if he didnt get off the painkillers.

I have heard some horror storys that the author Dr Otto Snow shared with me in some personal communications....corruption in local areas is rampant concerning prescription drugs, some DRs use these scripts to control people mainly women, holding their pain, or habit over their heads, and extorting sex and money from their patients, especially if they happen to be prostitutes.

we should start a new forum thread here at opiophile titled OPIOPHOBE ALERT!! this forum could headline peoples such as flipsides experiences in a collected forum...

take care, and good luck all.

Opiyum

05-03-2006, 08:33 AM

I have heard some horror storys that the author Dr Otto Snow shared with me in some personal communications....corruption in local areas is rampant concerning prescription drugs, some DRs use these scripts to control people mainly women, holding their pain, or habit over their heads, and extorting sex and money from their patients, especially if they happen to be prostitutes.

Cant wait to see these bastards on 60 minutes. We'll sick Andy Rooney on their asses. That'll teach'em.

shaunclo

05-03-2006, 06:15 PM

exitwound

05-03-2006, 08:25 PM

I think I wrote this in another post EW, but I wanted to bring it up one more time in case you never got around to reading it. Have you tried asking your doc for Duragesic. Its that patch that contains Fentanyl. Fentanyl is some STRONG shit, short acting, but combines with the patch it would probably give you exactly what your looking for. I mean if your doc is prescribing morphine for ya, and that stuff makes you sick beofre you hit the comfort zone, then I dont see why your doc would have a problem switching you from the morphine to the fentanyl. Man I couldnt even possibly imagine how furious I would be at my doctor if I was seriously in pain and he wouldnt give me what worked best. Im pretty sure that Morphine is in the same category as fentanyl. Please let us know if you have already tried this, or if fentanyl makes you sick also.

I haven't specifically asked about duragesic....partly because I don't have insurance (getting and keeping it with a condition like mine is incredibly complicated and often not worth the money saved) and it's so incredibly expensive. I also worry about pushing my doc too hard when he's put out many subtle (and some not-so-subtle) signals that he's not willing to deviate from my current regimen except for small changes in dosage or pill count.

I'm afraid if I put myself out there and bring up the topic of him possibly adding some medication he doesn't want to prescribe, it will only make things more difficult when it comes to getting whatever I am able within the parameters of what he *is* willing to offer me....

Believe me, I know duragesic would be an excellent choice for me. And I'd even be willing to deal with the hassles of insurance, or the expense alternately, if the option were offered to me. But I'm so nervous about making my situation worse that I'm very, very cautious about pushing my luck.

ginger

05-03-2006, 10:45 PM

I can certainly understand the problems with pain management...pain is a 24/7 problam for many...the only escape: opiates (as far as I know). I have my fent rx, hrdro rx and the poppies, valium, sometimes muscle relaxant rx and effexor (unbelieveabley horrible withdrawals so watch out). And when I can't stop the pain..add alcohol...and when that doesn't work..cry and bang your head against the wall. Fun, eh? I usually go and hide when it gets that bad...like a dying animal. P. found me once, beside myself in agony...

I have sciatica on both sides...why, no one knows...hopefully, I get accepted into a University Spine Clinic and they can get to the bottom (no pun intended) of it. SOmetimes I hate doctors and I tel you I hate insurance companies even more. I had my left index finger bitten off and myinsurance told me "You don't need to use yourleft hand." Forget that I am/was left handed and played the guitar, piano, and dulcimer. Oh well. I learnt to write with my right hand and now I am doing okay but I will never play an istrument well again. That sucks! Anyway, after a lot of fent this evening...I think I am rambling...:p

My heart goes out to those in pain...what in the hell is wrong with people in charge that they let folks suffer? In Britian you can get an rx for heroin, ubt I understand it is quite difficult to obtain. In Holland, they have euthanisia for people who are on death's doorstep..in pain with things like bone cancer (uncurable and horrendeously painful). Shit, what has happend to a little humainity?!

take care!

exitwound

05-03-2006, 11:57 PM

My latest move has been to sign up with a second ROP. Hopefully between both ROPs I use, I'll get enough Hydro to help me overcome the limitations of my mscontin regimen and sensitivity to morphine-induced vomiting =/

ssjTiamat

05-04-2006, 01:36 PM

flipsides story is a good example of why this website was started, not all opiophiles are illicit neer do wells....some are people with such intense pain issues that they need every resource they can scratch against a drug monopolizing corporate led hi-archeal system.

Exactly why I am here. Well said!

I have been a chronic pain sufferer for about 4 years now. I have gone thru the exact same scenario as candy, flipside and everyone else mostly. That post that candy wrote, I cannot tell you how many time I have written the exact same post on websites and in letters to doctors and doctor regulating operations. It is a fucked up world, and the worst part about it is that we have to lie, cheat and steal to bring our quality of life even close to what most people consider normal.

Out of all the sites and forums (communities) that I have been a part of however, I like this one the best. The people here are helpful and mostly considerate. I have been places were almost everyone is going thru the same shit I am.. but I don't want to hear 10 people complain about the same shit I bitch about. I originally came here when about 1 month ago I discovered poppies as a possible backup to my medication regimin. I have learned a ton about pods. I have also picked up some great info on my current med, oxy, as well as other things. I have (I hope) helped a couple people by sharing my ROP experiences and various other knowledge and I will continue to do so, because I continue to learn new things it seems every time I visit.

I know this is a bit off topic... but I want to say thank you to everyone I have conversed with here, EW, Zodiac, Mokelly, Devil, and others. The common ground we all share is either our legit or illicit use of these drugs, but either road we take we are all decent people. It is just a shame that the medical community puts such wall up and cannot see that. Because if they did, then the help would come easier and everyone would enjoy life a bit more as well as being able to have a normal life... just like everyone else.

I wish you all good luck! and hope that whatever endeavor you are currently working on turns out for the best.

ssj

aj11

05-04-2006, 01:55 PM

I live in St. Louis and suffer badly from TMJ and am in the same shit. All the oral surgens just think I am pill shopping and not in any pain. So they give me some Ultram, which does nothing for the pain. So I am forced to use H ocassionally when the pain is unbearable. I am looking for a reliable pill source also. I got ripped off by a site that was located in the Netherlands. Spent $170 on some bullshit. Suppost to be 10/500 lortab, took like 8 and nothing. Any help out there

Curio

05-04-2006, 02:13 PM

I've been ripped off trying to obtain CII opiates through an IOP, so I tried CIIIs from ROPs over the past few years and these are some that I feel will last the duration (until the DEA figures out how to stop ALL online sales):
www.rxscriptonline.com Uses Avee pharmacy, which will provide 15/200 hydro/apap compounds that are actually potent...one other place I used prior to that sent capsules that were so obviously crap because I not only had no pain control, but was having withdrawals ~ even though I had previously been on the 10/325 norcos! Then, they cancelled out my refills when I complained and wanted to transfer the prescription as a last resort ~ because they even wanted more money just to change the medication to a factory brand or generic when I had already purchased their two expensive refills that were consistently sub=par!
www.youronlinedoctor.com uses Woody pharmacy and I think you can only get the 10/80 compounds through YOD now, used to be you could get 15/80s...still better than the norcos when you require a high dosage and you're watching out for your liver!
www.yourpainmanagement.com I don't know who they use as a pharmacy, but the owner posts in some of the forums and apparently he has become pretty friendly with the DEA...now take that however you will, but with all the expanding he's done opening a separate pharmacy, some other pain related websites, etc ... I get the feeling he's got the inside track on how to stick around and won't be one to disappear via an online pharmacy takedown operation.
The other suggestion I will post is DHC, dihydrocodeine...VERY potent, IMHO...maybe not as much as hydro, but you can get the DHC as a single pill, with NO apap...
SWIM ordered twice from www.igloorx.com (used to be pharm88)
and received orders in LESS than two weeks...very good for an IOP, and they even take credit cards, which is becoming more and more rare with IOPs and ROPs as the DEA tries to cut the legs off all of the supply and money, etc...to these sites!
Hope that helps one or two folks! It saved my life to learn some of this info over the last few years...I would've driven off a cliff or blown my brains out same as O_O with the way things were headed...
wanted to add that youronlinedoctor will give the initial script fill plus three refills, which is pretty good for a ROP, rxscriptonline only gives initial script with two refills, not sure about yourpainmanagement.

ssjTiamat

05-05-2006, 12:54 AM

I concure.

I have used OP's and ROP's for the last couple years. And I can agree with comaTOES on all his suggestions. And I too have no idea what pharm. "yourpainmanagement.com" uses. And yes.. YOD DOES give the initial AND 3 refills which is the most you will likely find at any OP or ROP! Very good. And they have a good track record.

I have been using norcoworldwide.com exclusively for the past 2 years (initial script plus 2 refills of Norco 10/325) without any issues. Very solid outfit. They, like any OP will have a problme here or there but they are usually small and fixed promptly. NWW uses medipharm as their pharmacy.

Those mentioned are your total best bests. Seriously... take it from those who know and have used these places. Your cash is safe. And you WILL get the real stuff. No B.S. there. The only other suggestion I can make is to check out www.drugbuyers.com (http://www.drugbuyers.com) They are a FREE online pharmacy listing and watchdog community. Really just a forum like this one but 80% of the threads are about one OP or another which really allows you to see what other people have experienced and make a solid choice on who to spend your money with. They also have a decent database of all ROP's and OP's both foreign and domestic that lists current prices and meds available. Check them out and good hunting. Any questions, feel free to shoot me a PM.

ssj

thbronze

05-25-2006, 01:01 PM

exitwound

05-25-2006, 11:29 PM

Exactly why I am here. Well said!

I have been a chronic pain sufferer for about 4 years now. I have gone thru the exact same scenario as candy, flipside and everyone else mostly. That post that candy wrote, I cannot tell you how many time I have written the exact same post on websites and in letters to doctors and doctor regulating operations. It is a fucked up world, and the worst part about it is that we have to lie, cheat and steal to bring our quality of life even close to what most people consider normal.

Out of all the sites and forums (communities) that I have been a part of however, I like this one the best. The people here are helpful and mostly considerate. I have been places were almost everyone is going thru the same shit I am.. but I don't want to hear 10 people complain about the same shit I bitch about. I originally came here when about 1 month ago I discovered poppies as a possible backup to my medication regimin. I have learned a ton about pods. I have also picked up some great info on my current med, oxy, as well as other things. I have (I hope) helped a couple people by sharing my ROP experiences and various other knowledge and I will continue to do so, because I continue to learn new things it seems every time I visit.

I know this is a bit off topic... but I want to say thank you to everyone I have conversed with here, EW, Zodiac, Mokelly, Devil, and others. The common ground we all share is either our legit or illicit use of these drugs, but either road we take we are all decent people. It is just a shame that the medical community puts such wall up and cannot see that. Because if they did, then the help would come easier and everyone would enjoy life a bit more as well as being able to have a normal life... just like everyone else.

I wish you all good luck! and hope that whatever endeavor you are currently working on turns out for the best.

ssj

You're very welcome, ssj....and thank you too! Everyone who participates in these discussions contributes something unique and the more of us that take the time to add what we know and what we think/feel, the more we're all enriched by it. Certainly when it comes to sources, info sites, etc.....but also just the old adage, "misery loves company"! :o

It's a real pisser that so many of us have to turn to grey-area operations and the black market to get what we need, but while we're doing so, at least we can have the best options available to us!

Badly Drawn Girl

05-25-2006, 11:36 PM

Seems to me that if we don't have the right over our own bodies to alleviate chronic pain we don't have the right to much of anything. I'm an active person, but there have been times that I have been literally laid up in bed because of pain, and opiates are still pretty much the best drugs around to help distract your brain from the pain. Something as simple as a migraine can really wreak havoc in a person's daily life and for me at least, they keep me from getting anything done. The opiate high means nothing to me but being able to get out of bed and do my daily routine does.

I couldn't agree more. I'm so sick of hearing that I need to "cope." Why do I need to cope? Why should I be condemned to a life of constant pain? Before opiates I wasn't alive. I wanted to die every single minute of every single day. When I injured myself I lost a part of who I am. I can no longer play the sport I love, I'm very limited in what I can do for exercise, I put on a ton of a weight, and I sunk into a terrible depression. I make no apologies for self medicating myself. In the past year I've lost 45 lbs, I feel great, I'm eating healthy, doing what little I can do for exercise, I'm no longer holed up in my house like an old hermit. It makes me very angry that the medical community as a whole has so little understanding about chronic pain.

exitwound

05-25-2006, 11:50 PM

I couldn't agree more. I'm so sick of hearing that I need to "cope." Why do I need to cope? Why should I be condemned to a life of constant pain? Before opiates I wasn't alive. I wanted to die every single minute of every single day. When I injured myself I lost a part of who I am. I can no longer play the sport I love, I'm very limited in what I can do for exercise, I put on a ton of a weight, and I sunk into a terrible depression. I make no apologies for self medicating myself. In the past year I've lost 45 lbs, I feel great, I'm eating healthy, doing what little I can do for exercise, I'm no longer holed up in my house like an old hermit. It makes me very angry that the medical community as a whole has so little understanding about chronic pain.

Damn straight!

harleydawg

05-26-2006, 01:27 AM

exitwound, there was a big Op bust in september, and since then any domestic services (assuminng you are in the U.S.) are few and far between - the prices are simply outageous. I'm talking double to triple what they used to be.
That being said, it depends what extents you are willing to go through to obtain what you need.
Check your pms.

Try finding someone who will send to the north. Been a chronic pain sufferer for four years, best I gotten so far is percs 5/325. well I'm almost immune to them now. So what's next, what drug would be the next one a doctor might be welling to prescribe? But in the mean time I keep looking for someone who isn't going to scam me, and let me suffer some more. I'd appreciate any advice any of you fine folks might have. I've tried the pods, they do very little.

harleydawg

exitwound

05-26-2006, 02:19 PM

Try finding someone who will send to the north. Been a chronic pain sufferer for four years, best I gotten so far is percs 5/325. well I'm almost immune to them now. So what's next, what drug would be the next one a doctor might be welling to prescribe? But in the mean time I keep looking for someone who isn't going to scam me, and let me suffer some more. I'd appreciate any advice any of you fine folks might have. I've tried the pods, they do very little.

harleydawg

These days long-acting morphine drugs with fancypants names like Kadian and Avinza are very popular. They last 12-24hrs (really!) for most people, unlike MS Contin and Oxycontin which typically last only 6-8 hours for long term users.

Although honestly you would get better overall pain relief in most situations with Fentanyl or Oxycontin, Avinza, Kadian or MS Contin are all viable options and are often less expensive than other time-released pain meds. Plus, doctors are more willing to prescribe them than other types of LA meds.

vicodinhead

05-28-2006, 03:10 PM

exitwound

05-28-2006, 04:35 PM

never heard of poppy tea till i joined this forum. i was wonderin if that was something that is legittimely manufactured or is it black market? and if it is legit were would someone like me ( in chicago Illinois) look for such an herbal tea????

Neither. It's more of a homebrew thing.

HistoryofMadness

05-28-2006, 05:02 PM

musingpoet

05-31-2006, 01:13 AM

orchidfanatic

06-11-2006, 12:11 AM

Hey EW, you know what, Doc Diesel made an excellent recommendation for you. Poppy pod tea would help you out with your pain more than you think. Its quite nice, a lot of people under-estimate the power of PT. I remember reading that the methadone wasnt something that would help you out, other than when your getting low on your other stash, but you need to try PT. I gurantee it would lessen your groin pain and its quite cheap also. Let us know if you try it.

methadone help me before my surgeries with very painfull bone on bone condition. vicodin 10-660 did nothing for me.. now that artifical joints are installed PT takes care of any pain that I have ... and lets me do things I normall dont want to do because of pain.. doctors dont care about my pain since my surgeries.. also KRATOM works pretty good too but Its really stimulating to me.. do any of these listed online pharms ship to US I thought it would get confiscated ? what is a CP sufferer to do besides Kratom and PT?

Curio

06-11-2006, 03:29 AM

I did not catch if you were seeing a doctor, but fentanyl patches, or fentanyl suckers work well, and are a step up. Actually, a big step up from 5 mg hydro. The suckers are my preference, as you can use them in public without question. I did try the patch, but, the release was quite slow compared the suckers. What about going from the 5mg to the Norco? That'll up you 5mg of the hydro and lessen the APAP which is bad for your liver anyway. If no doctor, then (not that I noticed;) ), but online pharmacies fedex norco and other such things. A bit costly, but when you are in pain, you are in pain! Or just jump up to 7.5mg. No need to highten your tolerance too quickly. It really depends on your pain. A flat fee to access to some good online pharmacies are usually a lifetime access fee. I you feel comfortable with that, I would try it out. In the meantime, hot bathes, hot packs, and so forth help. (assuming your pain is helped with heat and not cold). And IMHO, say away from Mexican and India pharmacies...not always reliable in my experience. But, that is just me.:D

You should NEVER PAY just for info on good online pharmacies...
check out
drugbuyers.com
rxpharmacyforum.com
rxwatchers.com
medicationstoyou.com

also be aware that while these places are free of charge to access (except for db's VIP side), there ARE "shills" who frequent these places; they are, however, pretty easy to spot once you've been around awhile....for those who don't know, shills are people who work at websites selling stuff and generally selling crap, because they feel the need to go around to all the forums and message boards and post under fake names about fake orders and how great the service was...at THEIR pharmacy/website..

if anyone's interested, better move fast....even the Records Online sites are being shut down in record numbers, in record time by the ever present, helpful Nazi's of the Dea/Homeland program

Curio

06-11-2006, 03:32 AM

wanted to add that youronlinedoctor will give the initial script fill plus three refills, which is pretty good for a ROP, rxscriptonline only gives initial script with two refills, not sure about yourpainmanagement.

UPDATE ON YOURONLINEDOCTOR: their AWESOME compounding pharmacy, Woody's, was raided and shut down by our govt's resident A-holes in Homeland security/DEA....last I heard they were out, either for a long time, or for good (baaad, very bad!).:mad:

halfalien_s4

07-22-2006, 06:53 PM

hi exitwound, my names jen and im new here....im also a CP patient...have been since i was 17 (im 30 now). if you dont mind telling your story again i would like to hear it....so what have you been thru? im willing to bet its a lot like i have...ive had 4 car wrecks, the first head on - left me with another permanent head injury (ive had 5 of those - 2 open, 3 closed), and a permament whiplash neck injury. the 2nd i got rear-ended by a drunk, the 3rd i got sandwhiched, the 4th i got t-boned by a big truck that ran a stop sign. that one permantly injured my mid & lower back. after that first wreck i was also left with debilitating migraines...i also have TMJ, MPS (myofacial pain syndrome), & CVID (common variable immunodeficiance) that i inhereted at birth - its genetic. basically it didnt get bad until i was 25 & thats when my allergist caught it. my immune system does not make IgG anti-bodies so i cannot fight off bacterial infections. i mosly get a lot of sinus & ear infections, but a couple yrs ago i ended up getting west nile from a mosqito bite. since then ive had meningitis twice....and i ive had 3 gran mal seizures since may of 04' cause unknown but everyone is starting to think it may be an after-effect from the meningitis since that is a common after effect of that illness...well thats my story in a nutshell, the CVID causes my bones to hurt a great deal sometimes, i also have to get IVIG (immunoglobulin) by IV every 28 days to help my body fight off germs. west nile would usually kill a person like myself...my docs said it should have killed me...guess im not done here yet! :)

exitwound

07-22-2006, 08:01 PM

well, halfalien, it's a very long story. basically I have an arthritis/fibromyalgia-like condition that causes my immune system to attack my whole body and all my tissues to become severely inflamed which is incredibly painful.

I currently take 320mg of Oxycontin per day, 50mg+ of oxycodone breakthrough tablets, and several other supplemental pain medications but lately my pain levels have been approaching 10 again due to an extreme flare of my condition. I don't know what to do. :-( My doc has already given me extra pills but it's still not even close to enough.

halfalien_s4

07-23-2006, 03:19 PM

i have bad days like that too....MPS is a co-existing condition a lot of times with FMS so i know how you feel and i can honestly say that...im sorry to hear that ur flares r so bad right now tho, that really sux. if u ever need anything or want to talk feel free to IM me...

eternalsunshine

07-31-2006, 09:27 PM

anyone use them? I won a free consultation and want to make sure it isnt scam. thanks!!!

vaxn8

07-31-2006, 09:33 PM

search, i know this has been discussed a few times at least

orangejuice

07-31-2006, 09:33 PM

i think i remember right when i say EW does....if ur out there maybe u can confirm this. I had the same question as you, eternal, and he said that it wasnt a scam. I just didnt ever use em cuz u gotta give em ur SSN and some other different stuff so i never did... keep us posted if u decide to go through with it i need a good online site .

caesee

07-31-2006, 10:05 PM

anyone use them? I won a free consultation and want to make sure it isnt scam. thanks!!!

they are just like any other ROP, but they are a little more pricey then most. I have heard mixed reviews when it comes to shipping, and refills coming on time. There are other ROPS that have better reviews and customer service, such are norcoworldwide, ypm..ect.. Look at there prices on meds compared to others, and you will see the difference..

exitwound

07-31-2006, 11:42 PM

They aren't perfect, but they are a good ROP.

eternalsunshine

08-01-2006, 07:17 PM

thanks guys.... I did try searching but found one thing so......I will update and tell my experience. they set up a consultation today but my answering machine picked up after 2 rings and they hung up. now I dont know what is next. there # doesnt work so I have to wait for a response. anyway thanks for the info.

eternalsunshine

08-03-2006, 06:16 PM

okay I had my consultation yesterday and got my pills today.........pretty cool place

glm

08-03-2006, 07:39 PM

One place that I've heard about is AbacusMeds.com....if you're a legit pain sufferer they'll give you your first fill without records, and they offer 120 count which is getting rarer.
If you send in records and ID, you'll get two extra refills at about half the cost of the initial consult/fill/shipping etc. It's a fairly decent deal that way.

Abacusmeds is a decent source. JMO

devilsdrug

08-03-2006, 07:51 PM

no offense but aoks from somebody with 6 posts is like ___________ fill in blank

exitwound

08-03-2006, 09:50 PM

no offense but aoks from somebody with 6 posts is like ___________ fill in blank

Yep.

eternalsunshine

08-06-2006, 07:37 PM

alowishus

08-06-2006, 08:35 PM

*Too Music*

DD's a sn-ob, DD's a sn-ob, ne-ner ne-ner ne-ner, ne-ner ne-ner ne-ner......

(sorry couldn't come up with more than that....)

Curio

08-07-2006, 02:32 AM

no offense but that is how you get more post , right? You are a forum snob when people ask questions and when they give info. THIS IS A FORUM!!!!! anyway the count on my script wasnt too high but nina said they would do a records review and can up it when I get my refill. Pretty happy, especially since I won the consultation!!!!

1) DD was actually being quite polite about it IMHO....he was simply stating how such a post might be interpreted; we have had a few show up here simply to spam us via the pm system or by their postings...

2) RE: your consult:
so what you're saying is that you got a lower quantity of pills prescribed than you were expecting/requesting? I have heard this about them and it's why I suggested people avoid this one. abacus (and most other ROPs) usually won't do a "records review" and change the current script AFTER they've already issued an rx/dispensed 1st fill...it would require ANOTHER consult to change the prescription most likely.

I followed the story of some poor person who went back and forth with them for several months trying to not only get the quantity changed to what it was supposed to have been initially, but to even get each refill dispensed and delivered!

Basically, if you got a free consult, the money paid to them has to come from somewhere ~ usually the medication charges.

HistoryofMadness

08-07-2006, 04:09 PM

Ok, ringo, calm down. Everybody back to your corners, there's an important announcement that's about to be made:

YOU GUYS ARE DISCUSSING TWO DIFFERENT PHARMACIES!!!!!

I did some research, and its simple: there are 2 different abacus meds. One is an overseas operation that deals with the heavy stuff, and the other one is stateside, I'm almost positive, and they do the normal OP process, with the consultation, records, etc. And they don't deal with the heavy shit, just hydro as far as I can tell...

Curio

08-07-2006, 07:12 PM

HOM: I posted earlier in the thread that these are two different companies
I would NOT use the ROP abacusmeds...
I WOULD, however, use www.abacusonlinegrp.com, which is unofficially an IOP...
SWIM has had multiple orders and received every one on time as well....just a little inconsistent on the communication end of things which heightens the anxiety a tad...goes with the territory, eh?
...and just to update:
I would not use abacusonlinegrp any longer either...they have become unreliable

alowishus

08-07-2006, 07:19 PM

Well dang nabit who can you trust....

Gerkes

That's who.:rolleyes: :rolleyes:

HistoryofMadness

08-07-2006, 10:25 PM

HOM: I posted earlier in the thread that these are two different companies

...and just to update:
I would not use abacusonlinegrp any longer either...they have become unreliable

Yes, that is what prompted my research... I'd assumed some hadn't noticed that, or had forgotten. But it also seems like all these things are hit or miss... I've heard equally good and bad things from pretty much all these pharms.

eternalsunshine

08-16-2006, 06:11 PM

It was abacusmeds.com that I used. Nina did tell me they would do a records review a few days before my refill. I really think they are a good company. This was the first one I have used and i think I'll stick with it.

Abacusmeds.com

08-18-2006, 01:39 AM

2) RE: your consult:
so what you're saying is that you got a lower quantity of pills prescribed than you were expecting/requesting? I have heard this about them and it's why I suggested people avoid this one. abacus (and most other ROPs) usually won't do a "records review" and change the current script AFTER they've already issued an rx/dispensed 1st fill...it would require ANOTHER consult to change the prescription most likely.

Hi

This information is totally incorrect.
If the Dr has prescribed you a count of medication that you are not happy with, then I am able to book you in for a records review a few days before your first refill is due, this is free of charge, the Dr will then review the file and of he sees fit he will up the medication count.

The reason behind the Dr usually ordering the script with a lower count initially is due to a patient not faxing over their records before they are consulted, so if for instance you wanted 120 count the Dr will not write this until records are there, so he may issue an emergency script of 60 or 90 whichever he sees fit and then once your records are faxed he can then review and up the count.

So it is always advisable to send your records over before your consultation so you can get the medication count that you require.

The only time when you would be billed for a new consult is if you have had your initial fill plus one refill and have one refill remaining then we are unable to change any script once the first refill order has been placed, so you would then need to order a new consult or wait until you have finished your 2 fills to reorder.

Thanks and i hope that clarifies things

Nina :)

www.abacusmeds.com (http://www.abacusmeds.com)

alowishus

08-18-2006, 02:07 AM

Nina, if you don't mind me asking, what is you affiliation, job title, place inside the company of www.abacusmeds.com (http://www.abacusmeds.com/)?

Thanks

HistoryofMadness

08-18-2006, 05:46 AM

Please note (again, for those that weren't here earlier) that there are two different sites being discussed that have the same name. Lisa, you are describing one, and ms. coma was talking about another. Its completely natural, as I'm sure you can understand, for folks to have a lack of trust with online pharms. On the whole, you guys don't have the best reputation...

Hi

This information is totally incorrect.
If the Dr has prescribed you a count of medication that you are not happy with, then I am able to book you in for a records review a few days before your first refill is due, this is free of charge, the Dr will then review the file and of he sees fit he will up the medication count.

The reason behind the Dr usually ordering the script with a lower count initially is due to a patient not faxing over their records before they are consulted, so if for instance you wanted 120 count the Dr will not write this until records are there, so he may issue an emergency script of 60 or 90 whichever he sees fit and then once your records are faxed he can then review and up the count.

So it is always advisable to send your records over before your consultation so you can get the medication count that you require.

The only time when you would be billed for a new consult is if you have had your initial fill plus one refill and have one refill remaining then we are unable to change any script once the first refill order has been placed, so you would then need to order a new consult or wait until you have finished your 2 fills to reorder.

Thanks and i hope that clarifies things

Nina :)

www.abacusmeds.com (http://www.abacusmeds.com)

Abacusmeds.com

08-18-2006, 12:23 PM

Nina, if you don't mind me asking, what is you affiliation, job title, place inside the company of www.abacusmeds.com (http://www.abacusmeds.com/)?

Thanks

Hey

No i dont mind at all. I manage Abacusmeds.com

Thanks
Nina :)

Opiyum

08-18-2006, 01:44 PM

Holy Shit! The thread started talkiing man! I'm Trippin' FUCKIN' Balls Man!

eternalsunshine

08-18-2006, 09:50 PM

I did not send my records till after the consultation so it makes since why my script was lower then expected. Any good dr. isnt going to send the max without records, that would be crazy. If you guys try abacusmeds.com, you would see how affordable, reliable, fast and friendly they are.And I mean fast!!!!! NO bull here!

JakeMyDog

08-18-2006, 10:47 PM

An excellent source for this type of information is at http://www.drugbuyers.com

including some very useful sourcing info.

Sorry if this is common knowlege.

Curio

08-19-2006, 05:14 PM

my apologies to Nina as perhaps this was simply a few "bad eggs" who posted misinformation on two different boards I belong to...I have heard that you personally, are very professional and seem to be a genuinely caring person when managing people's accounts, etc..

also apologies to people who I may have confused by bringing up info on another company in this thread...I just like to clarify between these two companies especially....
because I frequently see people confusing abacusmeds the ROP with abacus the IOP....hate to see anyone get bad or good credit either way by simple misreading of their web urls/site names

as you were....

(joke)

Curio

08-19-2006, 05:17 PM

anyone use them? I won a free consultation and want to make sure it isnt scam. thanks!!!

okay, I see the problem here that maybe a mod could fix for us....this post is where the thread went off topic...this was previously exitwound's thread about sources for meds...this post changed the title of the thread when perhaps a new thread should have begun on the specific abacusmeds company...

just a thought

Curio

08-19-2006, 05:25 PM

HistoryofMadness

08-20-2006, 12:23 AM

um...(raises hand slowly..) "HOM, who is LISA?"

for the record, your honor, I (MS>COMA...lol..),
discussed TWO places during this thread as it has progr...digresssssed....lol...

lmao

"Who are you to judge your Honor!?" copyright 2006 by ComaToes :D

okeee dokee yeah, the robe thing. whoops....wow this shoe tastes like fruit stripe gum and asphalt mixed together....

ahh... you caught me... this is the "post-ironic" thing that I've mentioned in my sig... I make jokes about calling someone a name that's close to theirs and now I've done it so much its actually become the way I address people sometimes.. fucking scary... it was supposed to be dina...

Holy Shit! The thread started talkiing man! I'm Trippin' FUCKIN' Balls Man!

haha thanks actually I wasn't in the best mood but this fucking crazy mofo made me laugh out loud... but not only is the thread talking so is the board... i tried to give you points and it TOLD me to 'spread some around' - fucking whore.

Actually I'm tripping too dissociociociocioation man nation

defenestrate

08-24-2006, 12:43 PM

okay, a quick lesson for those new to online pharmacies (i'm going to speak strictly of NROPs here, as that is where the bulk of my personal experience lies):

1. ANY NROP who specializes in cIII or more highly restricted pain medications knows that they are battling customs for every package they send. they have to jump through hoops, and often run into trouble even within their own countries, so you have fly-by-bights and places that mean well but simply cannot deliver things reliably for a long period of time due to gov't interference/customs catching on/shady business partners/etc. they know that they cater to desperate people (addicts and CP patients), and they price accordingly. if you're lucky, they won't rip you off. it is quite possible to get serious pain meds from overseas NROPs, but it's really hit-or-miss even with the best of them.

2. NROPS dealing in benzos, sleep meds, sexual aids, muscle relaxants, antidepressants, antibiotics, etc can often be extremely reliable for long periods of time. they still run into some of the same issues as the other NROPS, but your chances of success are significantly higher, and you can make a fairly educated guess by going to places like http://www.drugbuyers.com and doing research. i have dealt personally with 2 places like this, both of whom were reasonably quick and had reasonable prices (very reasonable if you consider that i don't have health insurance and hence would have to pay a pretty nasty fee just to get a script more than likely). they do exist, but it is up to you to find them (the two i have worked with have eiether restructured or disappeared, so i don't have a recommendation right now).

eternalsunshine

08-24-2006, 08:02 PM

I actually did start a new thread about abacusmeds.com and they sent it here......go figure. I am almost up for my refills so i will let ya'll know how it goes.................

Woods

09-02-2006, 01:36 PM

I suspect there are some fairly obvious possibilities (other than go score some H on the black market since I'm homebound in the middle of the great white northern forests of New England!) that I might be overlooking.

So why other then that? There are always a variety of drugs available wherever you go, you just have to know where to look.

Now, I know this isn’t exactly the time or place for a pro-socialist tirade, but capitalism weakens and damages healthcare from all angles. Among other things, capitalism creates a chronic doctor shortage in order to justify outrageous wages, and leads to doctors who don’t care about the wellbeing of their patients nearly as much as they do about making the most money possible.

Basically, my main point in the above paragraph, for the purpose of your problem, is to suggest that the alternative pharmaceutical industry might be the way to go for further treatment.

Powerful opiate painkillers may be one obvious solution, but there are other drugs you may wish to look into as well. MDMA, common garden variety ecstasy, as long as it’s good and clean, potentiate opiates like nothing else I’ve ever seen. Plus, while nodding out can be a problem on opiates if you wish to e lucid, as a stimulant the MDMA will actually help you retain more lucidity.

HistoryofMadness

09-03-2006, 03:34 AM

Now, I know this isn’t exactly the time or place for a pro-socialist tirade, but capitalism weakens and damages healthcare from all angles. Among other things, capitalism creates a chronic doctor shortage in order to justify outrageous wages, and leads to doctors who don’t care about the wellbeing of their patients nearly as much as they do about making the most money possible.

Man, I am a sucker for this shit. Anyway, this is an unfortunately misguided statement. First of all, 'capitalism' doesn't create anything; doctors are in short supply because its a very difficult process to get through, and most people don't. The market creates costs, and if society produced more folks to do the job, the costs would go down. I'm not saying its right, I'm just saying that the quantity and costs of doctors isn't an intentional creation of capitalism.

Secondly, any doctor that doesn't care about the well being of his/her patients is going to lose them to more caring doctors. You may be confusing the typical lack of sociability of doctors, combined with a little god complex, for lack of concern. But regardless, these traits are generated from human nature, not capitalism. You are giving that system way to much credit.

Lastly, socialized medicine is a terrible idea for the 20-45 year olds (give or take, depending on how much longer a person works) because you have (1) a very large population that's about to retire en masse, (2) and very lazy generation of fat-ass kids whose parents are raising on television and game shows instead of outdoor activity, meaning that they will be in terrible shape in just a few years, and (3) a corrupt system in place that has allowed costs of pharms to skyrocket, along with all healthcare costs (but this is not the fault of capitalism, its just plain old corruption, which exists in all systems, including socialism, and the populace is just as likely to be harmed by either)...

So, unless you want to pay simultaneously for a large generation of retirees, taking mucho meds (and losing pensions and suffering from rising cost of living) and a large generation of unhealthy kids that will no doubt produce the largest DOLE (handout / nanny gov programs and on meds) for disability, many of which will be made up by the unholy trilogy (docs, pharms, and insurance crooks) who will be getting stinking filthy fucking rich, while you are also paying corporate subsidies for the fuckers, then avoid socialism / universal healthcare at ALL COSTS!!!