(+/-)'s of Ketamine: Experiences, knowledge....

[Neo]

Thinking of ordering some Ketamine from an online source however, I'm not completely sure on it's affects on the body and mind. Havin' combined X and LsD with it I'm not completely of it actual effects. Enlighten me...

What are common prices for the powder and vials of different sizes?


~Rock yourself~
:yin-yang:

[superman]

What are common prices for the powder and vials of different sizes?
top notch quality used to cost me $800-900/oz canadian.
best enjoyed if you take as much as you can handle, then once you're used to it and know you won't experience some serious psychological trauma, take more than you can handle. the worst that will happen is you'll do too much, pass out/become a zombie, wake up a while later and not remember anything.
If you get the dose right, turn off the lights, put on some chillen music(preferably non-vocal), and lay down. subjectively, you will be transported to another dimension. the universe as you know it will cease to exist. when you come out of it, it will feel like you were gone for millions of years. kind of like a huge vacation.
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as for ordering it online, there's a very good chance you're buying from the police. K is readily available in most large cities and in my experience people in the K scene don't attract much heat. Certainly less risky than buying online from a stranger or strange company

[WarmCyanide]

Ketamine is a strong disassociative anesthetic. Medics used it in Vietnam to put soldiers who had limbs blown off out of their gourds, away from the pain. Used in Veterinary medicine and pediatric medicine to a lesser degree. So it's not necessarily a pain med. It's more like if you take enough, it separates your mind from your body. (hence needing a babysitter for first timers) I recommend to anyone who doesn't have much experience with K to have a "drugsitter" to watch you. start with only a little bit to become familiar with it's effects. then gradually go up.
Also a small amount of Benzo will help stave off muscular contractions. but not too much benzo or it's airway trouble. Inj if you must but try it up the nostril. If you do it, get ready for a night of whacky dreams and occasional minor spasms/twitches. use needle nose pliers to take metal ring off injectable bottle. rubber stopper will pop right out (or just draw it out) .... pyrex dish oven low heat until crystals then scrape. Dont know black market prices but When I used to order it
at my old job it was only 8 clams for a 10mL 100mg/ml vial from fort dodge. sit down before any you do any lines. BE CAREFUL!!! This shit has teeth!!!

[caesee]

Thinking of ordering some Ketamine from an online source however, I'm not completely sure on it's affects on the body and mind. Havin' combined X and LsD with it I'm not completely of it actual effects. Enlighten me...

What are common prices for the powder and vials of different sizes?


~Rock yourself~
:yin-yang:

Ummmm K...alot of memories. Back in the day I knew a vet that had an office on Nogales Mexico, and Nogales Arizona..it was $10 a vail in mexico, and $25 brought to you on the US side, but again this was before the big K craze. Differnt vails also, the yellow label was American Ketaset, the red label with Mexican Ketamina, and there was also purple and yellow labels. Anyway K is decesnt if used in moderation. Most people just do bumbs, they just take a key and put it the bag and that is enough to feel the effects..if you do nice size line you can and will get stuck in a K Hole. The feeling for me was like a traqualizer, and I would do nice size rails of it. I got to the point where I would cook up a vial and that would last a day mabey, line and after line beer after beer..Anyways one day I did two huge rails and got sick as a dog, and was blacking out consistly it took me a couple days to feel normal...but nothing exceeds like excess...so as I said before Moderation is the key, there is nothing wring with doing little bumbs and working your way up. Remember Ketamine is a SCH 3 substance, and if it gets seized I highly doubt you would just get a"love letter"...so be very careful..

[chemboy7]

Dissociative Anesthetics (Ketamine, Phencyclidine, Tiletamine, MK-801, DXM) produce a state of mind that is enjoyable to some and just plain unbearable to others. They can produce bad trips just like Psychedelics and thus set and setting play a vital role. They are definately not escapist drugs, they should not be taken hedonistically... very nice for exploring the mind though. Personally, I have a hard-on for all intoxicants, I would love to get my hands on some Ketamine... I wouldn't just take a bag of it to a party though, too much of a chance that some inexperienced traveler would freak out and blow my buzz. Yep, if I had some Ketamine the only company I would want is my blacklights, trance music, and a rig... I'm such a greedy bastard!

[chemboy7]

Anyone ever try MK-801 (Dizocilpine)? I remember a year or so ago a fairly well known scientific supply house was selling small amounts for outrageous prices, which says to me that they knew what ppl where using it for, and then they just removed it from their cateloge without explaination. It is by far the weirdest NMDA antagonistic drug I have ever experienced... it puts PCP to shame. Crazy nystagmus activity, your eyes flutter so much it's hard to see straight.

[superman]

Yep, if I had some Ketamine the only company I would want is my blacklights, trance music, and a rig... I'm such a greedy bastard!

I can completely sympathize with this. except i'd ditch the lights.

as for mk801, i don't know, lol.

But I have had pcp for sure, and a couple different analogs that weren't k or pcp, but were both sold as k. i am intimately familiar with ketamine and can easily distinguish it from others, especially since none of the analogs seem able to send me to the ketaverse or k-hole or whatever you may call that beautifull place.


For me, nothing compares to the real deal; Ketamine. the quality of high is just so fantastic, dose range so forgiving.

ahhh, how I love the ketamine goddess.... (for only a goddess could embrace me this way)

[devilsdrug]

years ago a fellow inmate had a funeral leave , he came back with this huge bag of k i swear the whole fukkin dorm was out of it course everybody in this prison were state certified heroin addicts any way it was days before thing got back to normal , it was just crazy crazy non stop, i still remember playin pingpong ha

[chemboy7]

I can completely sympathize with this. except i'd ditch the lights.

as for mk801, i don't know, lol.

But I have had pcp for sure, and a couple different analogs that weren't k or pcp, but were both sold as k. i am intimately familiar with ketamine and can easily distinguish it from others, especially since none of the analogs seem able to send me to the ketaverse or k-hole or whatever you may call that beautifull place.


For me, nothing compares to the real deal; Ketamine. the quality of high is just so fantastic, dose range so forgiving.

ahhh, how I love the ketamine goddess.... (for only a goddess could embrace me this way)

Oh, I by no way meant to imply that Dizocilpine was better than Ketamine... far from it. I'm not even saying it was completely enjoyable I was just saying that it's a very interesting compound, weird is a good word for it. It seems to be a tad more aggressive and negative than the other Dissociative Anestetics and has that push towards the flight or fight response that is usually attributed to PCP. The dose curve is nowhere near as forgiving as Ketamine either, full activity can be seen with 1mg (orally) and anything over 3mg is not enjoyable, IMO. It's one of those mind-fuck drugs that only people that are into losing touch with reality for a bit would find anything worthwhile in. When it comes to MK-801, and DXM for that matter, I'm glad I got a feeling for them but I could go the rest of my life and not come acrossed any and not have a problem with it... I wouldn't mind some Ketamine though.

[trip.more]

ketamine is amazing you shoud deffinently give it a try.Remember to start low,sit down after you do it so you don't fall, and have a sober sitter present.

[jacky]

K in prison!! K on ping pong...that is a fucking great story devilsdrug.

I love ketamine. havnt had any for a few years. before I saw contact the movie I did some k a few months before...the scenes in the movie where she was stopping and starting and shooting through wormholes in space was very similiar to some of my K experiences.

I got my K from a vet the first few times....the last stuff I had was from a hospital, made for human consumption..a DR diverted the material.

Ive had good, bad, meaningless, and meaningful experiences on this stuff.

just be careful mixing the material with heroin or other strong opiates. and dont drink any fucking alcohol with that stuff, unless you are already familiar with that.

and read some John C lilly material after doing K.

oohh, the book by Dr Carl Jansen is very very good. its called ketamine dreams I think.

ketamine can be pretty damn addictive as well.

I found that K, dxm, and salvinorin a go very well together. some of the feelings I got from all three were very very similiar to each other.
my first succesful salvinorin a trip was strikingly like K, so much so that I came to the conclusion that salvinorin a must be a kappa opioid agonist....and a couple of years later I found out it was.

ketamine is far more euphoric than salvinorin a though.
I look at it this way.
Ketamine is a brick battleship ...........
and salvinorin a is like catching a whisp of smoke, sometimes it just dissipates right before you.
with K, you are not going anywhere for awhile.

re-emergence from a K trip can be like being born again. you have been gone for so long, in another form, that when you start dealing with legs, and arms and other body parts , they can seem very long and clumsy.

one K trip I emerged from, I saw rays of light shooting out of my freinds head, I was speaking in tounges, and realized him and me as both buddha/boddhisatva type emenations. that feeling never really went away

[cronosaegis]

My pet orangutan got ahold of some MK-801, branded as dizocilpine. It went from Toronto to Louisiana with no problems. It came from a "legitimate" chemical supply house, that was selling research chemicals from about 01-03. It was probably the most trance like drug that the ape says he's ever had. He was listening to Gram Parsons and the Flying Burrito Brothers, and he could feel Gram. Later on, the machine switched over to Pink Floyd and his soul was riding along the notes of DSM and See Emily Play.

Ketamine was never very nice according to Strangway. He says it put him into a place, as though his soul was bottled up somewhere. Strangway would usually come out of the trip and go into an intense depression for a few days, as though his soul hadn't completely come home.

[candyshop]

to me that all just sounds scarey-i spend much of my waking hours trying to stave off hallucinations- can not imagine inviting them at this point in my life

[chemboy7]

My pet orangutan got ahold of some MK-801, branded as dizocilpine. It went from Toronto to Louisiana with no problems. It came from a "legitimate" chemical supply house, that was selling research chemicals from about 01-03. It was probably the most trance like drug that the ape says he's ever had. He was listening to Gram Parsons and the Flying Burrito Brothers, and he could feel Gram. Later on, the machine switched over to Pink Floyd and his soul was riding along the notes of DSM and See Emily Play.

Ketamine was never very nice according to Strangway. He says it put him into a place, as though his soul was bottled up somewhere. Strangway would usually come out of the trip and go into an intense depression for a few days, as though his soul hadn't completely come home.

I've always wanted to get twisted on weird mind drugs with an ape... that's the American dream in action right there, we'd probably get along. To pull it off with true grit though we'd have to get a sound-proof Vegas hotel suite with trippy floral carpet designs kept at a constant 64 degrees, a hand gun for shooting TVs with, a couple asain flight attendants, a police hat and a pair of aviater sunglasses.

[sister morphine]

Okay before I say anything I must first say that I am pretty a much a purist to Dope, then all other opiates, then benzos, weed, and that's about it. I won't touch coke or crack anymore because of how dirty the come down is and just how much of a fiend I become on it. And Pretty much all hallucinogens I just don't trust, and see no point committing such a long period of time to them when I don't know in the beginning how they will affect me. I am not looking to escape reality, just numb myself from the ever present ever impending pain it causes. (I hope that makes sense to you guys.)

But all these conclusions I have come to about my drug use have come from about five years of experimenting with pretty much every drug out there, and Special K "especially" I have a very strong opinion of. The first time I did it was 4 yrs ago and I was given an enormous line and then told by some fuckin moron that I should lick whatever was left on the plate, and that this would all be great and give me a great fuckin high. I was an innocent ignorant 19 year old who basically had no idea what she was getting herself into. Next thing I knew I was in the worst K- hole I have ever heard described by anyone. All I could see was black and these crazy demented blobs, I was hurling all over myself, and all I remember thinking was just telling myself not worry, that I could get through this, that I could make it out alive. I mean, I have od'd many times, off a mix of H and Kpins, H and Coke, etc., but nothing ever was so traumatic and disgusting as when I used Special K. I only tried it one more time, and when I did I did a tiny line of it, but honestly I did not like it at all. I don't see why anyone would do it over all the other amazing drugs out there, specifically, my lady love, Dope.

Now I don't want to seem preachy or like I'm dissing anyone who enjoys it. ACtually, I am envious of those people who can find some good in it. I just wanted to share my experience in hopes that no one new to the drug makes the same stupid mistake I did. And in no way do I want to glorify Dope either, because although I am fuckin obsessed with the shit, when I say shit I mean it really is shit, and it will destroy your life and all those close to you without you even having any say or control over what is happening at all. It will take control of you, trust me, and as I am sure most of you know already, you become helpless to its powers of relief, if it only relieves the pain for a moment, that moment indeed seems to be worth a lifetime...if only at the time, that is...

Really the relief seems to be a death wish in disquise, a mask of lies we wear to hide...I could go on and on but I think I'll stop here....peace to all in search of their own fix..to die, to stay alive, or maybe just to thrive waxing and waning just as the moon glistens off the tide, so full yet so empty all at the same time...

[trip.more]

anyone try MDMA or 2c-b with ketamine?it's supposed to make it easier to recall more of the experience.

[chemboy7]

anyone try MDMA or 2c-b with ketamine?it's supposed to make it easier to recall more of the experience.

About a week ago as a follow up to my Methylone/MDMA experience I decided it may be a gas to drop 20 mg of 2C-I (which is the closest Phenethylamine, both structurally and pharmalogically, to 2C-B)... it was not enjoyable at all. 15 minutes after I had downed it I was pulled from tranquility into a fit of violent vomitting. This lasted all of about an hour, but I was sick on and off the rest of the night. Also kick started one of the worst depressive fits I have ever had to date, lasted well past the effects of the drugs too... about 2 1/2 days trapped in a black hole, alot of the time spent bawling for no reason.

I know that among people using these drugs for psychological purposes using 2C-B/2C-I as a follow up to MDX type drugs in an effort to "highlight" the Enactogen experience and ultimately lead to dwelling on the possitive affirmations that it provides is quite popular; and I have used these drugs for the same purpose many times myself with stellar results... but this time was very different. It is obvious to me that those Phenethylamines antagonize the Serotonin activity of the MDX drugs, have known this for some time; just wondering now if this could explain my hellish experience. I am nearly sure that it is, the only other thing it could be (cause it most certainly wasn't set or setting) was the Methylone; and being that Methylone and MDMA show about the same activity I'm not leaning in that direction.

Granted I have had countless possitive experiences with this combo before it burnt me but, for me, it is not worth the risk of being sent to that hell again. And I'm the type of guy that can usually half-assedly enjoy a bad trip too; not this one man. The MDX class Phenethylamines are very generous with their Serotonin secretions; throwing another Serotonin active drug from another sub-class on top of it can indeed be a blast but I am beginning to think it can fuck with your brain chemistry in very undisirable ways also.

[jacky]

I took ketamine a few times when I was detoxing off of dope especially for the feeling of relief and escape that the ketamine can afford...
I was doing a clinic assisted detox, they would give me klonipin and muscle relaxers every day....
I stayed away from dope but when I was backed against the wall with cravings I used the ketamine.

using the material IV, using the correct amounts, and using for the right reason can drasically effect the experience that a person has.
I wouldnt crave dope for several days after each ket. session.

I wouldnt trust myself around ketamine if I had daily access, but for a special treat there is nothing that compares.
salvia divinorum comes close, but is not nearly as euphoric as K.

astral travel, boddhisattva entities streaming in beams of light emenating from the tops of peoples heads, transmutation of exising body, experiencing concurrent parrallel bodies, all without much fear .......

I had some bad experiences too, but mostly when taking too little and then experiencing the trip while stuck in the body of Jacky instead of whatever entity I would morph or co-join with.

I think the problems with ketamine are suffered for the same ignorant actions that some of us make when using dope, overdoses and deaths associated with the lone trippers more than the raver partiers.

shooting versus snorting or eating....the material is more active when IV'd.

what I liked to do was 50 milligrams to 60 milligrams in the leg muscle....wait several minutes, and then push the other 50-60 in the vein.

and then get the needles away from yourself quick!
blood and ketamine are messy together.

there is something about ketamine that seems hyperreal. the fact it is a man made substance just adds to the technological spin.
I watched the fabric of my clothing morph into a new stronger and quantum action ready flight suit....
ketamine turned my imagined world of organic and synthetic dualism on its side....organic technology was all there existed, and the synthetic was an observance post doomed for deconstruction.........

but do ket too many times and it becomes a novelty bear trap probably.

a great book by Karl Jansen MD PHD is "ketamine :dreams and realities"

[Digitopium]

I guess not many in this crowd grew up in/around the "rave scene" as it unfolded. Thats really what started the K craze, at it is reffered to above.

K is, next to synth opiates, my favorite substance. No other drug really fucks with your physics that way...just short of the K-hole threshold, it can feel like you are on a moonbounce when you are walking around...and the intense way it gives you slight visual reverberations and slurs colors and objects together. One of the most fun experiences I have EVER had in my entire life was on a big rectangular tramploine after doing a nice fat line...the way it fucks with your equilibrium...I would do a half ass front flip and it felt like my body kept on spinning for seconds after I stopped moving.

Anyway, really fun stuff. There ARE legitimate online suppliers. Certain steroid suppliers whos ordering info can be obtained from drugbuyers or similar forum sites carry it. Best of all, if you can get a source whos supply originates from the far east, you might be able to get freebase K, which is a super fine, flour like powder that has a minty menthol taste it leaves in your nose as opposed to the burning-ness of K HCl. Thats the best SWIM has ever had....man, I am craving now....:D

[vaxn8]

I wouldnt trust myself around ketamine if I had daily access, but for a special treat there is nothing that compares.



Jacky- this craked me up- I do have everyday access to ketamine and absolutely have NO interest in it. I hated the stuff and wouldn't take it if it was my last day on earth! I'm with Sister Morph on this one! Yuck!

[superman]

"as opposed to the burning-ness of K HCl"
i've snorted ridiculous amount of K and never had it burn, your's must be cut with something.
even the lower grade stuff that gets sold @ raves never burns...

maybe it's just me.... i can't see how my nose could be damaged though, i've only snorted pounds of powder.....

[trip.more]

"as opposed to the burning-ness of K HCl"
i've snorted ridiculous amount of K and never had it burn, your's must be cut with something.
even the lower grade stuff that gets sold @ raves never burns...

maybe it's just me.... i can't see how my nose could be damaged though, i've only snorted pounds of powder.....

I've never had it burn either, must be cut to all hell.That book jacky mentioned is great just finshed it a week or so ago, it's a must read if your interested in ketamine.

[Paregoric Kid]

it's very weird stuff. reminds me of pcp and dxm, but not exactly.

[Dr.Ivan]

Neo, could you pm/email me with the you-know-what?
Much thanks:p

[new2thegamepgh]

Ive notice that K is great to use while u attempt to detox. It kind just makes u out of it, takes away the RLS and generally just helps. U can also skin pop it so it kind of takes away the urge to spike up. I had it twice and both times used it as I wa detoxing. It along with SUBS & ativans really really helped. I recomend it to anyone who wants to detox but hates the cosequences.
Use thew K, Subs, ativasn every day for 3 days. Then just half the Subs and ativans on Day 4. By day 5 maybe a lil more K adn ativans.
Mix it up, try it in different formulas tapered to what access you have to benzo's adn or Suboxine.

[Dr.Ivan]

Or if anyone else knows of the url in mention, could you send it to me?
Not meaning to be a 'troll' of course...

[john_doe]

Ketamine is alright. At first it's fun and it feels fun to feel all drunk and psychedelic but after a while you start to want to vomit. And that totally ruins the trip. I still have 250mg left in a vial that once had 500mg in it. It's just sitting on my dresser and I won't use it for a while probably. Maybe never. It made me feel so sick to my stomach. And very dizzy. But otherwise it's good. It won't let me attach a picture so I will do that when it allows me too. I like to show pictures so people have something to look at. No one posts enough pictures on this site. So look for pictures soon.

[superman]

"U can also skin pop it" eeeewww... the thought of skin popping something just so it can fester and kill me is such a disgusting thought. K would be better off in your vein or muscle IMO

as for nausea, i'd say about 20% of the people that i gave a moderate dose to felt nausea, most just loved it though

[ShaneFlipside]

I've only had K once, and I didn't do enough and I was kicking (nose running freely stage at the beginning) - but it was still an OK high. But I have had many many experiences with real phencyclidine - and I always tell people it might be the only substance that actually suppresses all the symptoms of opiate withdrawal when you are on it - but logicaly I'm sure this actually means all the disassociative anaesthetics do - think about it - they make it where you can't feel your body, and then make you not worry about that and use it anyway ( I know many times I've functioned above normal not below normal in physical ways while on PCP - even improved night vision). So, not being one who fears the depths/heights it takes you to - I have fond memories of my youthful experiences with what the Brotherhood of Love referred to as cannabinol even they knew damned well that it wasn't a cannabis product. By the way, eating hash is much more disassociating than smoking dope - I think pcp mimicked just enough of the experience of massive doses of hash to have made the naming seem appropriate . Anyhow - I'd also love to do more K. But I hope everyone knows the story about eminent scientist John Liillly (yeah, the dolphin/isolation tank guy) who got so into his K hallucinations that he tried to warn President Ford of an alien invasion after he'd been communicating with them while K'd up. At least he lived to a ripe old age a unlike poor Mckenna and his DMT elves - he got that weird brain cancer that is like a spider in your brain - making you wonder if maybe he was communicating with aliens. Wouldn't it be weird if cancer was an alien haha. Not funny I guess - OK I just wanted to join the fray - like I said - I'd love to have some - but I doubt I'll pursue online purchase out of fear of the pigs at some point cracking down.

[jacky]

yeah, I wouldtn skin pop K, but muscling it is a different story...the stuff works in a muscle quite nicely....though I used to like pushing a half and half ratio...1/2 IM, and 1/2 IV for the best effects.

[chemboy7]

Anesthesiologist talking about the different ways they use Ketamine and the drugs they use along with it:

http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=303718

was the pt opiod tolerant? i seem to recall hearing of ketamine used in low doses to trick up the mdma tolerance system... actually i think i read that in this forum?

so maybe that was the reason?


I can see using small doses of Ketamine to make up for Opaite tolerance, but MDMA?

http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=311982

[Chipper]

A tip for K users:

Nausea from K can be avoided by keeping your head still as long as possible just after the trip.

It is (like) motion sickness and can be avoided. If you try to fight it by moving around, you will feel much worse.