Better explanation sorry confusion set in

[vanilla_mlkshake2007]

Ok In the past couple weeks I have mad some confusing posts to some people and I understand the confusion.Shaunclo got me really thinking to what I was posting and it didn't make sense the way I was posting it
First of all in in the past 3 weeks I've noticed that durind the past few years I have been using Avinzas,I have lost alot of dope,and I mean alot.
I guess its because when I started IV'ng 5 years ago I started with oxys,no lil balls,no problem getting the full effect each and every time.
When I started on the Avinzas a quick way for me to get a fix was to finely crush the lil balls that come in the capsule witha mortar and pestal ,add about 35cc's of water,put cotten in and filter it draw up and shoot.I always caught a hell of a buzz and therefore never figured anything was wrong but because of the amount I was using in terms of milligrams I could havde been high for the next 5 years for free had I done things right the first time around.
I had tried the heating method once or twice but always overheated and made my stuff gooey which would clog my works so I just stuck to doing it the way I just mentioned.
Now comes my finances are getting stretched.I've learned alot on this web-site and others such as harm-reduction.org,heroin helper.com etc.
A couple weeks ago I was running short on drugs so I decided to take only half a pill and heat it a very lil bit and inject it then I came and posted about the increased potency and how much extremely higher I got.The reason I found out this morning when I paid a lil more attention to what I was doing was because by applying the heat a bit whatever was in the balls would melt .Therefore when I finished filtering through the cotten instead of all kinds of white stuff being left in the spoon there was hardly nothing at all.
This brought me to the conclusion that even though I had been crushing to a fine powder the morphine wasn't really totally activated until the white powder was melted down a bit.This created a much stronger thin syrup mixture but not too thick so it was gooey and clogged my works up.I guess it just activated the morphine into the heated water.Maybe if I used hot water instead of room temp water there still wouldn't be any heating invoved,but I also noticed when I drew up the mixture there wasn't alot of white powder still left in the spoon.
I mean either way I guess the morphine was never going to a total waste because I would always lick the spoon and suck on the cotten,but what I guess I'm saying is had that mixtue been all sucked up through the syringe I would have gotten the high I have been getting dailey for the past few years I have been using Avinzas,but instead I had just been happy with the buzz I was getting.It was always fine enough for me.Doing it how I did it and licking the spoon I mean,but now that I have discovered this new way of I guess breaking the morphine down intgo the water and getting the whole IV rush at once instead of a IV rush and then a lil high from what I licked off the spoon I now get the whole enchilada at once.
I have recieved a few PM's asking exactly what I mean by enhancing the Morphine.I guess it should have always been that kind of high but because I didn't have as much knowledge as I do now I never knew there would be such a big difference.
I hope I have explained things a lil clearer.I guess you can't make a 60 milligram pill stronger then a 60 milligram pill it just all depends on how you choose to prepare that pill.I was always getting the whole thing just part IV and part orally nothing like I am getting now.
This being said would also be careless if I did not warn people who are going to try this anyways,to be very careful if you had been doing it the way I first was.During the past couple weeks I have come very close to overdose once or twice accidentlly of course but this wouldn't have happened had I known the difference the lil heat would have made.Please be careful.I'm not going to lecture cuz those of you on this forum already have your minds made up to if you are going to do this or not.If you get blurred vision or an extreme headache (like a high blood pressure headache) then obviously you've used too much.I know yesterday I got increased blurry vision to the point that everything almost became black then I had the worst headache of my life for about a half hour then a slight headache the rest of the night.
When I finally told my husband what had happened to me when I last IV'd he told me that the blurred vision was from the pill particles going to my brain and someday I was going to die from this "new way " I had created in my I'V use.My husband has no medical knowledge so maybe Candy could say why everything became blurry over time and then started to blackout.
I appreciate all the questions I never meant to make something so easy so confusing but I guess it was just the way I explained it Hopefully thgis makes things easier.sorry for the mix-up.

[johnny27]

Hi there, i'm really glad you're getting more bang for your buck. Maybe its not for me to say, but maybe because you were'nt getting all the morph in your shot like you are now, you've kept your tolerance lower all those years, you just expected you've got the morph in your shot and thought there was nothing better to get and therefore you were'nt getting extremely high and therefore want more of that high more of the time.
This could be a mixed blessing for you, just take it easy now that you know you can get that great hit anytime you want, because we all know what terror tolerance causes in our lifes, e.g more money for more drugs, stealing, and worse.
Really i'm not trying to preach to you, pls don't take it that way, i just know from my own experience that once i discover a new way or drug that takes me higher than ever, i just want to keep doing it. I suppose this new revelation you've found with your pill I'V use can be used for good, as you can get by on less drugs. Thanks

[SirDonkeyPunch]

have you ever tried taking the beads, trying to crisp them in a petri dish or spoon, then crushing them with the mortar in pestel. i beleive this would make it so even less heat is necessary since its breaking down the matrix of the pill before water is even in contact with it.

[superman]

"I had tried the heating method once or twice but always overheated and made my stuff gooey which would clog my works so I just stuck to doing it the way I just mentioned."

are you a self taught pill cooker or something? crush it, cook it with 130IUs of water, boil it for at least a few seconds. you want to cook that 130IUs down to 90IUs.

now you have hot water and goo mixed together. put the damn spoon down and don't touch it for 3 minutes. when the spoon and water and goo cools, the goo will have become a hard wax layer on the top. fold it back, toss in your cotton and draw the COLD solution intot he syringe. hot solutions will kill you slowly.


It blows me away that a somewhat seasoned slammer who has 188 posts hasn't bothered to read how to properly prepare an IV shot.

[vaxn8]

If you get blurred vision or an extreme headache (like a high blood pressure headache) then obviously you've used too much.I know yesterday I got increased blurry vision to the point that everything almost became black then I had the worst headache of my life for about a half hour then a slight headache the rest of the night. When I finally told my husband what had happened to me when I last IV'd he told me that the blurred vision was from the pill particles going to my brain and someday I was going to die from this "new way " I had created in my I'V use.My husband has no medical knowledge so maybe Candy could say why everything became blurry over time and then started to blackout.

The headache and blurry vision really do not sound like the effects of taking too much, especially the headache part. I read another post of yours and meant to respond, but got busy and never got back to it. It really sounds like you are not letting it cool down enough, and this can really be dangerous. A lot of the ingredients you want to get rid of are going to dissolve at high temps, if you inject it just like that, you are taking in a whole bunch of junk you don't want to and that is dangerous.

I tend to belive that what you experienced was more likely due to either:

1. particles that dissolved at the higher temp that you normally wouln't have included in your shot using coler water or

2. actual particles that just weren't filtered out.

You really have to be more careful with time-released formulations. All pills are dangerous to solublize, but the extended release are much, much more dangerous. If you don't believe this, try heating it up really good, pulling out what seems to be liquid at that temp, then let it sit at room temp until it totally cools down. You will be surprised at how much precipitates and falls out of solution.

Also, an unrelated thing, it would really make it a lot easier to read your posts if you would include some paragraph-type spacing. I don't think anyone really cares if you write in complete paragraphs, but adding some space inbetween lines instead of a giant wall of words makes it much easier to read.

[vanilla_mlkshake2007]

"I had tried the heating method once or twice but always overheated and made my stuff gooey which would clog my works so I just stuck to doing it the way I just mentioned."

are you a self taught pill cooker or something? crush it, cook it with 130IUs of water, boil it for at least a few seconds. you want to cook that 130IUs down to 90IUs.

now you have hot water and goo mixed together. put the damn spoon down and don't touch it for 3 minutes. when the spoon and water and goo cools, the goo will have become a hard wax layer on the top. fold it back, toss in your cotton and draw the COLD solution intot he syringe. hot solutions will kill you slowly.


It blows me away that a somewhat seasoned slammer who has 188 posts hasn't bothered to read how to properly prepare an IV shot.



I never said anything about a 130 IUS or 90IUs don't no if that was misunderstood too but I have done plenty of reading on maby different websites I just wasn't having any problem with the way I was doing it and thought I ws getting the most of my dope till I fdound out better I don't shoot it hot .That would probably burn the shit outta my veins plus I only posted this thread for the few people who had PM'd me asking me how I personally got the most outta an IV shot with avinza.MS contins and Oxys that don't gel are a whole lot easier and a whole lot different to do if you've ever done both of the different pills .The beads deffinately fuck it up compared to just a plain old pill that iseasily crushed and drawn up.I've probably read more about Iv preperation then alot of people hear because of the fact I have girl veins and then I always wanted to get things just right.With the avinzas or Kadiens I found it just takes much more work.So sorry if I camed across as so un informed super man.I'm sure yiu have all the answers,and have never ever made mistakes right?

[vanilla_mlkshake2007]

The headache and blurry vision really do not sound like the effects of taking too much, especially the headache part. I read another post of yours and meant to respond, but got busy and never got back to it. It really sounds like you are not letting it cool down enough, and this can really be dangerous. A lot of the ingredients you want to get rid of are going to dissolve at high temps, if you inject it just like that, you are taking in a whole bunch of junk you don't want to and that is dangerous.

I tend to belive that what you experienced was more likely due to either:

1. particles that dissolved at the higher temp that you normally wouln't have included in your shot using coler water or

2. actual particles that just weren't filtered out.

You really have to be more careful with time-released formulations. All pills are dangerous to solublize, but the extended release are much, much more dangerous. If you don't believe this, try heating it up really good, pulling out what seems to be liquid at that temp, then let it sit at room temp until it totally cools down. You will be surprised at how much precipitates and falls out of solution.

Also, an unrelated thing, it would really make it a lot easier to read your posts if you would include some paragraph-type spacing. I don't think anyone really cares if you write in complete paragraphs, but adding some space inbetween lines instead of a giant wall of words makes it much easier to read.



Thanx vaxn8 What you have said makes alot of sense I tend to agree with alot that you posted .I'm learning more ev eryday just like I'm sure everyone on here is.

[Adormidera]

It blows me away that a somewhat seasoned slammer who has 188 posts hasn't bothered to read how to properly prepare an IV shot.

Yeah, except for "properly" is going to mean something different for every different person you ask and every source you check!

[blueflutterfly]

Vanilla

i know exactly what you're talking about. kadian is exactly the same...and unless you've tried to prep one of these for iv it's difficult to imagine. oxy, ms contin etc - none of these goop up the way the beaded caps do. (maybe the new formulas do, i don't know, been on 'done for 4 years now)
if you've ever fix'd one of these things you know how crazy it is to hear "cook it down and let cool". you just can't. anything more than a few seconds of heat and you end up with a substance along the lines of, well, imagine trying to fix gelatin - no amount of cooling is going to help you out...and the longer you cook the worse it gets.
anyways, i hear ya

flutterfly;)

[vanilla_mlkshake2007]

Vanilla

i know exactly what you're talking about. kadian is exactly the same...and unless you've tried to prep one of these for iv it's difficult to imagine. oxy, ms contin etc - none of these goop up the way the beaded caps do. (maybe the new formulas do, i don't know, been on 'done for 4 years now)
if you've ever fix'd one of these things you know how crazy it is to hear "cook it down and let cool". you just can't. anything more than a few seconds of heat and you end up with a substance along the lines of, well, imagine trying to fix gelatin - no amount of cooling is going to help you out...and the longer you cook the worse it gets.
anyways, i hear ya

flutterfly;)


Thank you and butterfly and all of you for being so understanding I would have never started this thread but it was the only way to answer the amount of pm's I got on enhancing morphine without doing so individually and honestly superman do you really think it took just ALL the amount of reasearch I read beacause I read ALOT more then anything as you see my interests in my profile is reading so I love reading and have read so much vauable information from you all but do you actually think that is how I really totally learned how to perfectly IV if there is a term for perfectly.No I was smart enough to get hands on instructions from someone in my area,but I was never stupid enough to inject hot morphine in my veins .So yes with help from the websites and 1 true friend that took the time outta their busy life to show me where and how to find good veins I think I have finally got everything together.That being said Johnny also had a very good point I haven't gotten addicted to the point I thought I was being that I had not extrated all the morphine from the avinzas and therefore I should keep my tolerance at the level it is now if that is possible without making a horrible addiction worse already.Oh and thanks to you also Adormidera you made some excellent points also its totally different and much harder then doing ms contins or any other kid of morphine besides Kadiens.I never proclaimed superman to be such a "seasoned slammer" whatever the hell that means.

[HistoryofMadness]

It blows me away that a somewhat seasoned slammer who has 188 posts hasn't bothered to read how to properly prepare an IV shot.

It blows me away that a virtual shooter rookie would be trying to take a vet to task... I'm not taking up for vanilla's way of doing things... its obviously a work in progress, but she's talking about "crisping" which is apparently a method that's different from the basic method you mentioned.

You'd be surprised at all the different ways of doing the same things. You'd also be surprised to learn that much of the things old vets do and teach are more about ritual than necessity.

No offense, hopefully, to you superman, obviously you're a respected member... but you should be a little more respectful of other members too.

I know this is late. I'm just catching up. So sue me.

[vaxn8]

Thank you and butterfly and all of you for being so understanding I would have never started this thread but it was the only way to answer the amount of pm's I got on enhancing morphine without doing so individually and honestly superman do you really think it took just ALL the amount of reasearch I read beacause I read ALOT more then anything as you see my interests in my profile is reading so I love reading and have read so much vauable information from you all but do you actually think that is how I really totally learned how to perfectly IV if there is a term for perfectly.

DAMN Vanilla! You have set the record, 111 words in one sentence! Wow! I just had to put it in word to count it after reading it.:) Hope you take this as intended, not ripping on ya or putting you down, it just cracked me up when i read it!

[reddragon3668]

.If you get blurred vision or an extreme headache (like a high blood pressure headache) then obviously you've used too much.I know yesterday I got increased blurry vision to the point that everything almost became black then I had the worst headache of my life for about a half hour then a slight headache the rest of the night.
When I finally told my husband what had happened to me when I last IV'd he told me that the blurred vision was from the pill particles going to my brain and someday I was going to die from this "new way " I had created in my I'V use.My husband has no medical knowledge so maybe Candy could say why everything became blurry over time and then started to blackout.

I never knew this, but I recently found out that one of the side effects of opiates is blurred vision. I think some meds may be slightly worse about causing this. I had never experienced this until recently... the doc put me on Demerol for breakthrouh pain... 100mg every 4-6 hrs as needed.... anyways, all of a sudden like, I started noticing that I could not read things that I was used to reading with no problem. Also, my contacts started bothering me.... Since the demerol was the only thing that had changed, I went and read a bit on its side effects, and sure enough, both the blurred vision and contact irritation are both documented, albeit obscure, side-effects of the drug.

Is there any chance that you blurred vision was a normal side effect? Just wondering! I too would like to hear what Candy has to say about this.

[HistoryofMadness]

DAMN Vanilla! You have set the record, 111 words in one sentence! Wow! I just had to put it in word to count it after reading it.:) Hope you take this as intended, not ripping on ya or putting you down, it just cracked me up when i read it!

excellent observation, and furthermore, you gotta admit that sentence was well-structured; no run-ons, no mismanagement of phrases, no comma splices, its got to be pure accident or pure genius...

by the way there's a joke in my comment above, try and find it...

[thbronze]

Thanks Vanilla for post,very generous of you for explaining what you thought was necc.,how you write is doesn't matter,this isn't english class,its you,keep it that way.Question-when you got the headache did your face get fully flushed immediately after bootin,during pins and needles, and feel like it was going to explode?Just happened to me and am curious.Also have you had M-eslons?Also the licking and sucking of spoon part needs a little more detailed explaining of your process please.
just kidding,take care and be careful

[vanilla_mlkshake2007]

Thanks Vanilla for post,very generous of you for explaining what you thought was necc.,how you write is doesn't matter,this isn't english class,its you,keep it that way.Question-when you got the headache did your face get fully flushed immediately after bootin,during pins and needles, and feel like it was going to explode?Just happened to me and am curious.Also have you had M-eslons?Also the licking and sucking of spoon part needs a little more detailed explaining of your process please.
just kidding,take care and be careful

Why thank you all so much especially you Vax8 for being the first one to realize 111 words in the sentence.
I never did that before.Some record to set I guess,but I was a little pissed off to say the least,I have since got over it and hold no hard feelings against you Superman.
To tell you the truth it just never worked for me till this first time and I was excited that if need be I can double the way a pill effects me.
Of course I read alot but it was through reading and actual hands on experience that I learned to do it this way.
No bronze I have never heard of meslons and yes my face got REALLY flushed after booting and then a splitting headache,but I took 2 valiums and it went right away.Now the buzz stayed with me just not that God awful headache,yes it did feel like it would explode.

I think the real misunderstanding that took place hear is the difference between injecting regular pills such as oxycontins,morphine sulfates,dilaudids,etc.Time released drugs are much harder to inject,and it really takes alot of trial and error (well it did on my part),but anyways Thank you all for having my back.
And usually I am a lot more careful about spacing my words .This was just a heated thread for me at the beginning.

[vaxn8]

Why thank you all so much especially you Vax8 for being the first one to realize 111 words in the sentence.
I never did that before. Some record to set I guess,but I was a little pissed off to say the least,I have since got over it and hold no hard feelings against you Superman.
So who were you pissed at? me or superman? :confused- :speechles

I really don't care how people write, it just cracked me up when i was reading it. When a post isn't written clearly enough, I just skip them. Just like when I see the word "prolly". For some reason, that is worse than nails on a chalkboard for me. :violent3: To each, his/her own! :D

[vanilla_mlkshake2007]

So who were you pissed at? me or superman? :confused- :speechles

I really don't care how people write, it just cracked me up when i was reading it. When a post isn't written clearly enough, I just skip them. Just like when I see the word "prolly". For some reason, that is worse than nails on a chalkboard for me. :violent3: To each, his/her own! :D



Oh I wasn't mad at you at all and never have been.I kinda think your kool!

[pointed]

excellent observation, and furthermore, you gotta admit that sentence was well-structured; no run-ons, no mismanagement of phrases, no comma splices, its got to be pure accident or pure genius...

by the way there's a joke in my comment above, try and find it...

You put your semi-colon where??? (I vote for pure genius, btw. Good one, Vanilla!)

[vanilla_mlkshake2007]

You put your semi-colon where??? (I vote for pure genius, btw. Good one, Vanilla!)

Thanks for all you noticing I didn't realize I was so edgy that day but it kinda was an ok sentance .That being said the first original thread was a mess with alot of paragraphing needed.
That being said I don't think if someone gave me $100 I could ever make a 111 word sentance again in the rest of my life.:)

[vaxn8]

it kinda was an ok sentance

What you have to do is take a normal breath, then read it. When you get to the end, you'll either be face-down, passed out or will be taking a giant gulp of air. That's what cracked me up and made me notice it.

[superman]

I think the real misunderstanding that took place hear is the difference between injecting regular pills such as oxycontins,morphine sulfates,dilaudids,etc.Time released drugs are much harder to inject,and it really takes alot of trial and error (well it did on my part),but anyways Thank you all for having my back.

must be. there must be odd pills in your part of the world. i know my tech works universally for every opie i've ever shot (1000s). OCs, morp, tabs of every kind, beads, you name it they all cook awesome for me. actually i'd rather have time release hydromorph and time release morphine over anything else because they're cheap as shit and always cook fantasticly. and when i run out i do a couple 6ml pulls on the combined dried leftovers ultimately coaxing every mg out of the pillmass.

oh yeah, i can be an insensitive prick at times, especially when my F'n back is hurting, like now.
I am also kind of anal about information that is going to be publicly available for years to come. I'd hate to see people applying techniques that have increased risks associated with them.

So ya, please don't take offense to my rudeness.

[vaxn8]

i'd rather have time release hydromorph


super- What kind of time-release hydromorphone do you see up in Canada? Did Pallidone get pulled off the market up there also?

[Adormidera]

I never knew this, but I recently found out that one of the side effects of opiates is blurred vision. I think some meds may be slightly worse about causing this. I had never experienced this until recently... the doc put me on Demerol for breakthrouh pain... 100mg every 4-6 hrs as needed.... anyways, all of a sudden like, I started noticing that I could not read things that I was used to reading with no problem. Also, my contacts started bothering me.... Since the demerol was the only thing that had changed, I went and read a bit on its side effects, and sure enough, both the blurred vision and contact irritation are both documented, albeit obscure, side-effects of the drug.

Blurred vision is definitely a standard side effect. I get it too. A good part of that is from the general drying-out effect opiates have on the body. You may find, as I do, that a mousturizing-type eye drop will help.

Interestingly, you can also get blurry vision with withdrawal, when your pupils dilate very large--you know when you go to the eye doctor and they dilate your pupils with drops and you can't see well for a couple hours? Same principle.

[superman]

super- What kind of time-release hydromorphone do you see up in Canada? Did Pallidone get pulled off the market up there also?

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haven't had any for a very long time though. maybe a year or so ago