kratom use

[Paregoric Kid]

could you boil the tea down to a gunk that you could eat or smoke?
could you compare this to an opiate? is it worth it?
I might buy some next week, is mrkratom.com good?

[jacky]

yes yes yes. alcohol fortified extracts can be a very potent smoke

[Paregoric Kid]

any idea on how to isolate/extract mitragynine

[jacky]

ethanol seems to work the best. I once tried a three times refluxed extract of a 100 grams of kratom . I dried most of the ethanol on some low potency kratom leaves. two lungfuls and I was reduced to a sick nodding peice of shit. too sick to move for a few hours. the effects lasted for around 8 hours, after the intitial dose I felt better within a couple of hours. I imagine I may have smoked around 200-30 grams worth of kratom in just one sitting. a person might not want to shoot up any extracts of kratom as there could be blood clotting compounds in the mix. mitrigynine picrate is avialable as a pure compound from at least one chemical supply house......

[jacky]

thats 20-30 grams not 200-30!!

[peacefulwarrior]

keeping this as 'uncontroversial' as possible...
This recipe which i found on erowid has been amazing! Usually Iuse 6 grams of 3x potency kratom...This recipe works so well that 6grams of normal potency kratom was even stronger than the 3x premiumsuperkratom.

Here is the link
http://www.erowid.org/experiences/exp.php?ID=37321

[peacefulwarrior]

Just to add a little more info for those who haven't tried kratom...
for me the website www.iamshaman.com has been a gold mine. 28 grams is about 9 bucks and with this recipe, 7 grams was all thatwas needed (although this obviously depends on yourtolerance). That amounts to about 2-3 dollars perperson! I highly recommend trying the recipe at the 6-7 gram doseand not underestimate it. If anyone goes for it, please let meknow how potent it was for you. Even if you think 7 grams is notenough...adjusting it up a bit still would be very inexpensive. Ithink this could also greatly help people get off harder or moredangerous substances as this has been my case. Not a bad deal.

Stay safe folks

[replicant76]

i tried this erowid recipe and it worked very good!:cool: by the way could anyone suggest a way to figure out how many cups or tablespoons = grams for kratom powder? i do not have a scale, so being accurate is kinda hard.

[jacky]

I am using kratom in doses of 5- 2.5 grams4-5 times daily right now. I am quitting over three years of solid opiate consumption and have slowly been weening off the opiates while taking kratom. I am now "classic" opiate free and could probably pass a drug test for opiates. the kratom helps alot. I get it in 250-1000 gram lots. I wiegh it out at home and shake in a bottle of water before swallowing the powder whole. I also take gelcaps that I make up to work. If I overlap a 5 gram dose too soon I feel shitty , dizzy and tired. If I keep the doses right I feel stimulated and good. I am looking forward to weening off the kratom slowly and hope I can use my opiate prescriptions no more than a day a week afterward. with the right amount of kratom a person could detox off of any hardcore opiate. the stuff is amazing. it is the best thing for opiate users to come along in a long time. its less addictive than buprenorphine possibly, relatively cheap, and legal. I have a pound of kratom that has been extracted once for tea.....this kratom is still potent, that is why I have switched to eating it whole. from what I can figure the alkaloids are somewhat stubborn even if using lime jiuce to extract. 1/3 of the alkaloids seem to come out the first wash, the second wash more like 60% of the alkaloids are freed. the last is just to make sure, taking a 100 grams of kratom to equal a 10 gram full strength dose. hopefully no companys will purify and sell the pure compounds as I think it would eventually end in the stuff being illegalized. KRATOM is amazing stuff.

[peacefulwarrior]

Funny thing is I used to love the stuff but took too much one time and got pretty sick...Now whenever I even smell the stuff I hurl. I can't get near it.

damn aversion conditioning ruined my flava haha

[SafeHaven]

I was just wondering, since kratom n opiates have totally different alkaloids in them, how kratom helps with opiate withdrawal...

[jacky]

kratom contains alkaloids that are not similiar to conventional opioid structures....the alkaloids are considered opiates however, they affect the opioid receptors, and share some structural features. kratom can help with withdrawl from opiates I thnik mainly in that it doesnt seem to be as habit forming. one website states that the active ingredient is a delta opioid agonist at lower doses and then switches to the mu receptor as the dosage climbs, so perhaps that makes a difference. kratom is most likely addictive in its own right. a person might be able to use this herb to their advantage combined with will power and self control...

[jacky]

check out a recent trip report in erowids new reports section for a description of kratom withdrawl symptoms by a person who sounds familiar with opiates..........

[bogumil]

im soaking 30 gr. of kratom in 40% wodka this night and will shortly boil it tomorrow, then evaporate the stuff down to putty on a waterbath.

yesterday i did the following:

i put 4 gr. premium kratom in a cup and poured coke on it.

mistake 1: never pour coke on kratom powder. it bubblez and fizzes and you have all the stuff running over the cup ...

i managed to drink it though.

i then put coke in a cup and put 2 gr. of kratom powder in it.

mistake 2: never put kratom powder in a glass with coke. it will swim on top of the coke and you have no chance to get it mixed for the next minutes. a mess.

after all i got the 6 gr. down though. but absolutely no effect, except that i felt like i had fever the next morning, but that might as well be a normal disease, since i had had throat pain the whole day before.

so far i had no luck with kratom...

[replicant76]

did u drink it on an empty stomach (at least 5 hrs since last meal) if i drink it on a full stomach i get nothing, but if i drink it on a empty stomach i get great effects.

try this recipe, this is what i use everyday
www.erowid.org/experiences/exp.php?id=37321

[doctor diesel]

did u drink it on an empty stomach (at least 5 hrs since last meal) if i drink it on a full stomach i get nothing, but if i drink it on a empty stomach i get great effects.

try this recipe, this is what i use everyday
www.erowid.org/experiences/exp.php?id=37321 (http://www.erowid.org/experiences/exp.php?id=37321)

I just used kratom for the first time. It was a tea made with 6g of powder. It tasted bad, but not that bad. It was on an empty stomach and within ten minutes I started getting a mild opiate-like buzz, and within half an hour I was in a mild, warm nod, not dissimilar to a moderate belt of codeine, but more rounded and 'warm'. Fuzzy and cuddly, it was. It lasted 3-4 hours and was very pleasant, but incredibly mild.

So I thought I'd do it proper-like, and I used 7g of ground leaf, prepared according to the erowid alcohol formula, though I only had access to 42% proof stuff, not the 80% that that guy used. It worked out exactly like he said it would, leaving me with a third of a cup of foul brown liquor. The annoying thing is that, having swallowed that (still on an empty stomach) nothing ever came of it. Could it be that it was too soon after the first sojourn?

Next time I'm tempted to make the straight hot-water tea again, but using twice as much powder.

All good education, but for the time being I'll stick to water-extracted co-codamols (tylenols), seeing as it's almost impossible to get anything stronger in my neck of the woods.

Bye all!

Diesel

[replicant76]

seems kratom is a fickle herb, if i use more than 6 grams with that recipe i get nothing for some reason. i think. man, i could get great effects with such and such amt. but the more i use the less effects i get. try that recipe with only 3 grams or so and see what happens.


I just used kratom for the first time. It was a tea made with 6g of powder. It tasted bad, but not that bad. It was on an empty stomach and within ten minutes I started getting a mild opiate-like buzz, and within half an hour I was in a mild, warm nod, not dissimilar to a moderate belt of codeine, but more rounded and 'warm'. Fuzzy and cuddly, it was. It lasted 3-4 hours and was very pleasant, but incredibly mild.

So I thought I'd do it proper-like, and I used 7g of ground leaf, prepared according to the erowid alcohol formula, though I only had access to 42% proof stuff, not the 80% that that guy used. It worked out exactly like he said it would, leaving me with a third of a cup of foul brown liquor. The annoying thing is that, having swallowed that (still on an empty stomach) nothing ever came of it. Could it be that it was too soon after the first sojourn?

Next time I'm tempted to make the straight hot-water tea again, but using twice as much powder.

All good education, but for the time being I'll stick to water-extracted co-codamols (tylenols), seeing as it's almost impossible to get anything stronger in my neck of the woods.

Bye all!

Diesel

[doctor diesel]

okay, I will do, but there's some pretty screwed up logic in all this....

diesel



seems kratom is a fickle herb, if i use more than 6 grams with that recipe i get nothing for some reason. i think. man, i could get great effects with such and such amt. but the more i use the less effects i get. try that recipe with only 3 grams or so and see what happens.

[siggy]

I have just purchased powdered kratom leaf and am wondering what the correct tablespoon measurement to use for tea. Shaman says the powder is the same as the dried leaf but in a powder form - makes sense - but it would seem the powder would be more dense than dried leaf, so I am concerned that I might do too little or too much. I'm thinking since a tbsp. = 15 grams or so, maybe .75 tbsp. of the powder might be right for my first cup of tea? Also, should I strain this or do you think it will dissolve like instant coffee?

[replicant76]

I have just purchased powdered kratom leaf and am wondering what the correct tablespoon measurement to use for tea. Shaman says the powder is the same as the dried leaf but in a powder form - makes sense - but it would seem the powder would be more dense than dried leaf, so I am concerned that I might do too little or too much. I'm thinking since a tbsp. = 15 grams or so, maybe .75 tbsp. of the powder might be right for my first cup of tea? Also, should I strain this or do you think it will dissolve like instant coffee?

as far as i know 1 tblsp = 6-7 grams. may i suggest using this recipe, this is what i use daily.
http://www.erowid.org/experiences/exp.php?ID=37321

[voodoobudah]

Just my 2 cents worth:seems like "less is more with kratom" with me.I have tried it 6 or so times at various strengths and doses,and the best effects(my first) were with the regular strength leaf made into tea at the strong effects dose.The premium or resin type did very little .Maybe its just like the first time with any thing, and I never will get there again?

[replicant76]

i agree, any time i take too much i get no effect at all.

Just my 2 cents worth:seems like "less is more with kratom" with me.I have tried it 6 or so times at various strengths and doses,and the best effects(my first) were with the regular strength leaf made into tea at the strong effects dose.The premium or resin type did very little .Maybe its just like the first time with any thing, and I never will get there again?

[replicant76]

anyone know a good potentiator for kratom? i mix my tea with grapefruit juice already (thats more to mask the taste though) also i take tagamet almost daily, so any ideas beside those two?

[replicant76]

ethanol seems to work the best. I once tried a three times refluxed extract of a 100 grams of kratom . I dried most of the ethanol on some low potency kratom leaves. two lungfuls and I was reduced to a sick nodding peice of shit. too sick to move for a few hours. the effects lasted for around 8 hours, after the intitial dose I felt better within a couple of hours. I imagine I may have smoked around 200-30 grams worth of kratom in just one sitting. a person might not want to shoot up any extracts of kratom as there could be blood clotting compounds in the mix. mitrigynine picrate is avialable as a pure compound from at least one chemical supply house......

jacky could u explain the way u extrcted the kratom using ethenol?

[jacky]

I ground the leaves to a fine powder, used about two hundred grams of reg. kratom, I moistened the powder with spring water and let it saturate slowly, then I soaked the material in a small amount of everclear alcohol, the idea is that the h20 helps the alcohol soak in the cell walls, other wise using pure ethanol can crystalize the cell walls and make extraction less efficient, the left over kratom can still be eaten for the minimal amount of alkaloids that will remain . I let it set two days and did two more such extractions on the same mark......then I slowly evaporated the alcohol tincture and deposited the reduced extract on dried kratom leaves, 10 grams worth....this was then furthered dried at 110. giving a product that contained 20 grams to the gram of extract...this could be smoked using a ginseng bottle to vaporize rather than burn the material. it was potent..................it is alot of trouble for a product that is pretty potent in the raw form anyway, smoking it is a novelty for sure, but I would rather injest orally. it is nice to do this for herbal smoking blends though, and if a person needs to gelcap kratom, then this is a good way to go.......I dont mind simply shaking up powdered kratom in a drink and drinking....or packing it as a buccal quid.

[replicant76]

jacky, when u just shake up the powder with water are u using regular strength or something stronger? seems to me if u were consuming regular strength u would have to swallow an awful lot of plant matter. do u obtain better effects from consuming the plant matter rather than just the extracted tea? i use kratom everyday and am looking for better ways to utilize this great plant everyday.


I ground the leaves to a fine powder, used about two hundred grams of reg. kratom, I moistened the powder with spring water and let it saturate slowly, then I soaked the material in a small amount of everclear alcohol, the idea is that the h20 helps the alcohol soak in the cell walls, other wise using pure ethanol can crystalize the cell walls and make extraction less efficient, the left over kratom can still be eaten for the minimal amount of alkaloids that will remain . I let it set two days and did two more such extractions on the same mark......then I slowly evaporated the alcohol tincture and deposited the reduced extract on dried kratom leaves, 10 grams worth....this was then furthered dried at 110. giving a product that contained 20 grams to the gram of extract...this could be smoked using a ginseng bottle to vaporize rather than burn the material. it was potent..................it is alot of trouble for a product that is pretty potent in the raw form anyway, smoking it is a novelty for sure, but I would rather injest orally. it is nice to do this for herbal smoking blends though, and if a person needs to gelcap kratom, then this is a good way to go.......I dont mind simply shaking up powdered kratom in a drink and drinking....or packing it as a buccal quid.

[jacky]

kratom tea is potent and very bitter, if you have good material. I have found that kratom can be extracted more than twice when brewing teas even when using lime juice to strip alkaloids...so I would save the once extracted leaf and then just eat it. I dont mind bitter but kratom is sorta a sharp and acidic bitter, I prefer the whole leaf because you get the full amount of alkaloids, I just grind it to a powder, and shake it up in 6 ounces of water, just enough to shoot it. then I have another drink ready to wash it down. I started this method using whole poppy seeds when traveling and not wanting to brew tea, I would just pour a cup of seeds in a 12 ounce juice, 4 or 5 times a day. with kratom it is too easy. some people probably might hate the texture, but I am an open feild for taste and texture experimentation.......I havnt noticed that much of a difference between the super strength and regular strength kratom, the super strength is a little bit more potent, so I just use the regular strength. ....................I once had a very potent refluxed extract of kratom, 100 grams of kratom was used to produce about a gram of extract, I put this on a little inactive kratom that I had and evaporated the alcohol. I consumed one quarter of the extract and was knocked silly, sick and nauseaous, on the nod( I was using poppy seeds and codeine as well). I would rather consume more material and be able to control dosage better than have a real potent extract.

[Endorph]

i'm very experienced with kratom, been using for a while now. i think it's an excellent tool for addicts, for withdrawal or whatever reason. i find the best way to consume it is to make a tea, strain out the crap, and drink it while it's still very hot; the hot water definitely has something to do with it's affectiveness. drinking whatever is left at the bottom will certainly help as well. by using regular commercial potency kratom this way it can be stronger than the more potent kinds. and of coarse go for the powdered kind as the surface area will obviously be increased, therefore more absorption.... anyway, that's basically what i've found to work best out of many methods. although, i have never tried an alcohol extraction. i think this is fine though.

[replicant76]

i wouldnt think it would, but does smoking this extract require that u do it on an empty stomach for desired effects like the tea does?

I ground the leaves to a fine powder, used about two hundred grams of reg. kratom, I moistened the powder with spring water and let it saturate slowly, then I soaked the material in a small amount of everclear alcohol, the idea is that the h20 helps the alcohol soak in the cell walls, other wise using pure ethanol can crystalize the cell walls and make extraction less efficient, the left over kratom can still be eaten for the minimal amount of alkaloids that will remain . I let it set two days and did two more such extractions on the same mark......then I slowly evaporated the alcohol tincture and deposited the reduced extract on dried kratom leaves, 10 grams worth....this was then furthered dried at 110. giving a product that contained 20 grams to the gram of extract...this could be smoked using a ginseng bottle to vaporize rather than burn the material. it was potent..................it is alot of trouble for a product that is pretty potent in the raw form anyway, smoking it is a novelty for sure, but I would rather injest orally. it is nice to do this for herbal smoking blends though, and if a person needs to gelcap kratom, then this is a good way to go.......I dont mind simply shaking up powdered kratom in a drink and drinking....or packing it as a buccal quid.

[Perspect]

I found this kratom on a danish webshop looking like this: http://www.ethnoplanet.dk/images/kratom.jpg
I guess it's the resin you speak of, would it be worth the money to shell out 15$ on ten gram? Apparently, it's from Bali.

[replicant76]

I found this kratom on a danish webshop looking like this: http://www.ethnoplanet.dk/images/kratom.jpg
I guess it's the resin you speak of, would it be worth the money to shell out 15$ on ten gram? Apparently, it's from Bali.

i have never been able to achieve effects from the resin boiled as tea or taken as a pill.

[Endorph]

Yeah, I would certainly advise not to smoke it. It's much more efficiently used by ingesting a tea. Absolute best way, hands down.

[HlLLBlLLY]

One important thing about kratom, make sure you don't get tempted and over-do the dosage. I made that mistake the first time i used kratom. I felt like i was on the edge of feeling a good buzz the whole time, til i was at 9 grams of super. ended up with writhing stomach pains, vomiting and severe headache.