jumping ship/detox

[909kick]

Well my question is regarding what are the options for someone thinking about jumping ship i've been reading about different types of detox and what to expect.


-anesthesia assisted detox(im thinking way to pricey for me)
-sub/bupe taper in/out patient
-methadone taper(not really interested in methadone at this point)
-at home method going through hell and eating bottles of motrin, valium, gravol and what ever else u can get you hands on
-naltrexone pellet/pump(i just don't like the idea of this)
-what other options are there out? how much can i expect to spend at a basic inpatient facility?


thanks for your help

[Nonphixion]

Just go through the shorter hell of wd's... What is ur Doc?? I would not do bupe, i just think it's not worth after taking it for 2+ yrs... It's a bitch to get off it anyway to, so in the long run your gonna have a shitty time kicking, no matter what... Do it short & sweet, not long & drawn out...

[ausativa]

short and sweet is the way to go.. using opiates to detox IMO isnt a very good idea.. you will hit the wall sooner or later so you might as well get it over with you know what im saying? maybe in your case it can make it a little more comfortable since you have been using so long but even then i say just bit the bullet. good luck.

[909kick]

I have been thinking about a lot latley i have been using so long im not sure its helping my pain or not so i wanna see what i feel like after detoxing. I think i'm gonna need a pretty good supply of benzos and motrin to even think about starting this process think i'm gonna do the at home method with a one week taper to see where i can get with that then start thew cold turkey method after that.

[alowishus]

Good fucking luck.
Not taking a piss, I mean it.

A taper is always good, step yourself down some, don't want to just jump off at, say, a 630mg a day habit then nothing that is just setup for failure.
A taper isn't painless but it's ideal compared to CT

[Locke]

Look into immodium, trying to jump that way is a fairly safe option for a first go. But that option depends on a relatively low level of usage or it's probably on the no-fly list. I'm all about jump-starting the mental process with substitutions and miserable weekends trying to go CT until Monday morning (my monkey would like to take this opportunity to remind you that the minute after 11:59 on Sunday is technically Monday morning).

Choosing one of the options you listed depends on knowing your limits and knowing what you're preparing for. If you feel you know, go for it. Otherwise, the least drastic methods may prove valuable lessons for the future. And you should take a warm bath in epson salts and positive vibes. Combine the two and it's like a liquid rainbow.

[909kick]

im on about 60 mg's of oral HM and about 40 mg's of oxycodone on top of that

[Chipper]

The benefit of the slow-and-steady taper is that it acclimatises you to sobriety.

It takes time to get off the train and to stay off.

Maybe I'm wrong but I have always been of the opinion that the slower the detox, the easier the detox and the longer one maintains sobriety.

[Thanat0s]

...if you have the will to do it,
a switch to long half life opies(sub, 'done, pods)
for under 30days
is ideal...

with your habit, im sure a few 8mg sub, some weed, benzos, and loperamide will get you 'clean' as quick and painless as possible.

if you DONT have the will to not run wild with a long half life opiate,
CT with comfort meds is better option.

being strung on subs, pods,or m'done is the worst...

[alowishus]

...
being strung on subs, pods,or m'done is the worst...


.....Truer words, my friend, truer words, have never been spoke.

[HandMeSomeOpiates]

Rent a hotel room(if you are trying to keep your addiction from those at home) stock up on immodium, motrin, and Tylenol PM. Rent a bunch of movies and get prepared for life sucking for a week. Good luck man, I really hope you kick the shit.

[909kick]

well a big thing is i wanna see where my pain is without opis in me i've been on opiates for so long that i forgot whats its like to be off of them anybody have experience kicking well in CP?


thanx for all the help and support i got some benzos and percs and a big bottle of imodium, and motrin

[alowishus]

well a big thing is i wanna see where my pain is without opis in me i've been on opiates for so long that i forgot whats its like to be off of them anybody have experience kicking well in CP?
thanx for all the help and support i got some benzos and percs and a big bottle of imodium, and motrin


You're not gonna really know for sure where you're at for pain until you are clean for 2-3 months at least.

You will feel every little thing right after you come out of it, EVERYTHING, then it takes time to settle your brain chem back down, body, etc.
To really know you have to give it clean time.

Go easy with the shit hardener (imodium) that shits more dangerous then you think, huge doses over a period of time aint good.
It's still an opie so it's not like your getting the stuff out of your body, they maybe outta your brain but it's still opies to your body.

[909kick]

Wow thats a long fucking time if i do try this which im seriously considering its gonna be rough.

[alowishus]

Wow thats a long fucking time if i do try this which im seriously considering its gonna be rough.

Staying clean always is. ;)
Getting clean is what everyone always frets about, it's hard to see passed the sickness to the really hard part, not doing drugs anymore. :o

[Ludakris]

well a big thing is i wanna see where my pain is without opis in me i've been on opiates for so long that i forgot whats its like to be off of them anybody have experience kicking well in CP?


thanx for all the help and support i got some benzos and percs and a big bottle of imodium, and motrin


I tried this once actually. I kicked and stayed clean for almost 10 weeks. It came down to the pain fucking up my life worse than the opiates. I probably didn't pick the best time and place to try this. I was living with my now ex-girlfriend in our newly purchased house. The worste part was kicking (i got through the worst of the acute WD's at home) but we had a shitty commute to and from work, 40 minute drive to the fairy docks, if no line at the fairy, then 35 min fairty ride, and another 40 minutes to work, then do it backwards going home (which could entail up to a 3 hour wait in the fairy line if it was a nice day (especially friday) and everyone wanted to go to the islands. The commute was grueling during this period, plus we were new home owners and she was gung ho about fixing it up and changing things in the house so I had to be halfway functional to help with the home modding. After 9 weeks of dibiliating pain, little to no sleep, and being fairly worthless as far as fixing things up and entertaining the kid I decided to go back on the opis.

I haven't thought about doing it again, though I do have a pipe dream about getting clean again and just dealing with the pain. Life is a little more calm now, no bitchy, demanding girlfriend with no sympathy built in to her, and (as sad as this really is) no kid (it was the g/f's daughter). So my responsibilities at the moment are minimal compared to the first time I tried it, I may be more successful next go around...or...I may just be permanently fucked up and need to just accept that and live as best I can...I don't know...

[909kick]

Well its been 48 hours with only 10mg's of oxycodone and i gotta say lopermide is awesome i could't do it without the lopermide kpins help to but i don't wanna became dependent on that shit. anyway guys wish me luck i got alot of confidence that im gonna kick for good this time im not goin down without a fight.

[909kick]

Would Lyrica or Weed help with this at all?

[doctor diesel]

Christ! Did I just see two cookie monsters having a conversation?

Jeezus, I'd better lay off these drugs.



Doc

[909kick]

Doctor diesel you sure did. Oh man the withdrawls are starting to catch up with me again.

[OrangeLude]

weed , water, weed, water.... with lopermide you had better drink a pool full too.

Weed is your friend and so is walking and any type of physical activity you can manage.

Start taking care of your body as you drain the drugs... do the things that are healthy asap...keep your brain as active as possible and when you =start to tickle the idea of saying fuck it I don't need to do this - remember the monkey is a gorilla in wd's....talks louder & bolder ...just tell him where to go...

pulling for you! Get there!

[Dolofinell]

the best of luck to you 909 I know what your feelin. weed is def. your friend.
Lope. 40-50mgs. 3x a day will help a ton for a bit taper from that. And for me
Xanax and valium (scripted) Dolo..

[Fat Pie]

Look into immodium, trying to jump that way is a fairly safe option for a first go. But that option depends on a relatively low level of usage or it's probably on the no-fly list..

True dat. I used to go abroad with my parents to try and kick now and then, usually for 2 weeks (it never worked; I was always using the minute I got back), and I always brought some Imodium with me. I had no idea lope helped with w/d; I just used it because it was good for helping with the runs, and I had read in one of Frank Moraes's books that it was an opioid (although I thought that any relief I was feeling was purely a placebo effect; I thought that an OTC drug couldn't possibly mitigate opiate withdrawal effects).

It did help a little when I wasn't IV'ing and my habit wasn't so bad (i.e. a year into my addiction), even though I didn't use much lope to control the w/d.

It certainly didn't work when I was IV'ing and my habit had gotten even worse (i.e. 2 years into my addiction).

Put it this way:

I started using dope IM every day from the first time I tried it in February '08 (I knew about w/d and addiction, but I didn't give a shit until it was way too late; all I thought about at the time was 'I want to get fucked up and this is now my DOC').

On my first holiday to Hawaii (Maui) in August '08 after 6 months of constant use (albeit IM and in smaller amounts, because of my low tolerance, although it slowly got higher and higher as time went on) I felt almost no w/d effects whatsoever; some bowel problems and a slight case of the runs appeared, but that was it.

On one of my yearly holidays to Galway, Ireland (where my father's family live; it was just me and my dad staying in a hotel that time, although we could visit the family house any time we pleased. My mum would usually come but she didn't that time for some reason) after I got kicked out of school in April '09 (for using, of course; I was never caught, per se, but they knew about it anyway), with me using quite a large amount of H daily and with a high tolerance (but still only IM), I had pretty bad w/d for a few days (which was mitigated by a small amount of lope). However, it cleared up eventually, and I was able to relax and enjoy myself for the rest of my time there.

On my second to last holiday to Galway, Ireland in August '09 (we stayed in the family house that time, although everyone there was away on their own holidays), with me having used large amounts of dope IV constantly for months at a time, the w/d was the worst it had ever been up until that point (even with the aid of lope), to the point where I almost decided to fly home early by myself. It took days to clear up, but when it did, I felt relieved (and again, I was able to enjoy the rest of my holiday).

Tolerance, eh? What a bitch it can be.

Thank God I don't have to deal with that bs anymore. My last holiday to Ireland was my best one yet; I went with a female friend from school, had a great time, went to my cousin's birthday, swam in the sea (for the first time in ages) etc. All thanks to the subs.

I'm glad that shit is now somewhat back to normal. I'll be going to Galway again this August, and hope for more of the same as last time (not the two times previous to that). Then it's on to Sorrento, Italy (near Naples) in September, which we used to visit every year back when I was younger (from ages 8-12). I can't wait to go back to the exact same hotel we used to use and enjoy myself all over again.

[909kick]

Alright guys thought i would update i have given up after many sleepless night and pain that is not even touched by cocktails of ibuprofen lyrica and benzos dont even come close to touching i have thrown in the towel although im taking less meds im still depressed im not ready to come off of opis i guess i will try again in a year and see where im at thanks for all the advice and support guys.

[mainline]

Coming off when you're a CP patient makes it even harder. Just trying is enough for me to be inspired by you. I may be young ( I'm 20) But I've been using opiates since 03 and became a CP'er in 2007 after i was in an accident in 2006 (I was a gymnast for 10 years, it brutalized my body to the extreme and once i got seriously injured I had to throw in the towel... Now i have all kinds of shit wrong with my spine) But seriously dude, Even though your taking your meds again, Good for you for getting off for however long you did. It gives someone like me ( who has no intention of getting off anytime soon right now, anyway. I just wanna be able to walk around my city and work and do normal 20 year old things) but i'd like to think the opi's won't be forever, and your story gives me that little hope i may need one day. Cheers

[hydro chris]

BEST OF LUCK TO BOTH OF YOU WHEN ITS UR GOOD AND READY.

[edarrin]

i guess i will try again in a year and see where im at thanks for all the advice and support guys.


Next time try it with a bup taper. If you can manage to obtain some you can likely taper with 2 8mg subs. Get a pill splitter and cut them up. I tapered a bit prior and was able to feel OK on 1mg on day one. In the past it has taken 2mg but never more than that. After a pretty good stretch as well.

I have done it a few times....it's a piece of cake compared to what you tried last time. You won't get high on a low bup dose so it is a lot easier to taper with. The trick is to use the bup to taper only. I tapered off a month ago in 18 days. Seems to be the smoothest landing so far. I am still listless and anhedonic due to lack of endorphins though. Cutting ties this time and preparing for the long haul.:(

[jimmyfingers]

9 time out of 10 I would do a quick bupe taper. Start somewhere at 4-8mg and work down to .125 and probably less than that. 7 days taper with bupe.

Jump then have some trazadone and benzos and whatever else ready for the next week. It should be pretty painless. Most detoxes use sub with a 4-5 day taper.

[909kick]

Alright im gonna do it again these are the meds i have to help this time:


-lot of clonodine
-kpins
-toradol(for pain and headaches)
-codeine(for a quick brutal taper LOL)
-lyrica and baclofen for RLS
-and some weed (don't know how much use it will be)



My one question is should it be safe to take this stuff together from my research i can't seem to find anything dangerous about it. I really want to be sedated the for the first really bad day i hope this time is easier then the last.

[909kick]

30 Hours in im waiting for that sharp sprike of a Hydromorphone with drawl and there is non i think i have covered all the symptoms i experience during with drawl i'm besides the bit of depression thats unavoidable.

[909kick]

i think im done with the worst part of with drawl although i hear the worst part is yet to come that life.

[JTDuffet]

How long has it been and whats been taken so far? i used to do a lot of low level kicks in the day, but this last one, its been over 2.5 years and haven't gone more than 18 hours in between doses... 1 time.. the rest of the time it was always doing more before the previous would run out.

now im on the done taper and its been great.. slow and steady and it hasn't been that bad yet.. im sure the last drop/kick will be a little rough, but kicking 1mg of done shuoldn't be as bad as 2.5-3 grams of IV dope...

good luck... i was glad to see you decided to try again.. and not wait the "year" you stated in the earlier post.. congrats..

-jt

[GOLD N DIEMONDS]

Hey I am sure I missed it but
'general age like 25-30?
younger you will bounce back faster

Sounds about right I roughly figure your at the 2.5 day mark
IME first 3 days are the worst, slowly lifting after that.

my last Cold Turkey kick about 4-5 years ago was like that
and it was not planned AT ALL, had many many years of an IV run
always re-upped once a month -
procrastinated a bit and me connect just up and disappeared
I had no comfort meds - first 3 days was hell
by coinkydink that's when I found the Opi site
and read about Imodioum -did NOT believe it- but downed a bottle
and forgot about even taking Imod.
, while me .357 mag was calling me.
a few hours later I fell asleep for maybe 45 minutes, was godsend sleep
enough so I put away the mag. and read OPI every fucking day since
(well just about , missed a few days I'm sure :)

BUT anyways the 72 hour mark seem to be a common one
for the next week I could not sleep more than 1-2 hours every 36 hours.
SURPRISE LY it didn't feel that bad, was doing heavy yard work and shit
could even work me self employed job, a bit shaky but it's highly skilled work

SO THIS NEXT WEEK SLEEP IS YOUR BIG FRIEND
try to save benzos for the sleep, unless you have a shitload of them
and don't even think about pain level for a month

NOT SURE WHAT YOUR A CPr for??? ( condition)
but sleep, exercise, eat well, wack off etc

I had over 14 months of total clean after that KICK FROM HELL
before I chose to use again
and learned how to play the long game
oh and I have multi pain conditions too

MUCH LUCK - it just gets better for you from here out
keep posting , every day if you can-
it helps thee mind see improvement

rambling ---
(fuck one of me longest posts er sorry)

[OrangeLude]

all right you've got us on board & pulling for you....BIG TIME. Hope you get a good start....I believe in doing as much healthy shit as you can get yourself to do. Food, fluids, movement. Fiber, proteins. There's a lot that has been written on good diet for healing from addiction. Add in a prayer or two. No proof but certainly no harm either.

Also...a thing that has kept my mind occupied...is doing things differently. Taking different routes to the store or to a friends house. Walking or riding my bike instead of driving. Talking to different people. When I was using or on bigger doses of 'done - I had no desire to go out or be social...it comes back. The need is there and it can be filled. Get some funny movies and try it. Laughter can only help to build those pathways back

....much good luck!

There's no failure so long as you're trying to do the right thing. imho.

[909kick]

I think its been about 90 hours since my last very small dose. If your wondering i have CRPS on one side of my body more upper body still have pain in my lower to though. Every time i start feeling like shit i knock myself out with Clonidine witch has been amazing drug for me saved my life during this W/D. using the meds i stated above they helped so much that i did't even use the codeine to taper it was't bad at all i'm a little depressed but the little thing in life like all your support has been huge thanks to everyone that has helped me.




I thought this was gonna be a nightmare but with the coping strategies i have learned to deal with my pain it has not been that bad.

[909kick]

I went outside today for the first time in a while wow sober life feels weird maybe when my body starts producing endorphins it will get better.

[909kick]

Well i did it no more hydromorph in me its been a little while but im not counting i think it makes it worse. I just wanted to say thanks to everyone and get off this site before i get a trigger effect goin.




Thanx to all that helped me.

[Duckfeet]

Yep: we all have such different backgrounds, and it's always difficult to come up with plan--from mdone and bupe on down to cold fucking turkey, there's no free lunch...mostly is about getting thru the first 72 hrs, and then figuring a 'day at a time' way of dealing with life. Some people go to NA or church or dance naked in the moonlight...*anything* to replace dope with an alternative life...just "not doing opiates" never worked for me...had to have something else or craving returned w/vengence...Once you've been addicted, you'll find just how easy it is to get addicted again, and too many times, one gets a little hopeless about ever getting off this shit...but it does happen, and I wish you all the best in your pursuit...I know people who've gotten off and *stayed* off, but I doubt they hang around here much...we be too sympathetic to the backsliders...thankfully :)

Best wishes...

[JTDuffet]

Keep it up.... I am looking forward to the day i get the keys to the handcuffs and can sleep in... and not worry about the clinic, or money, or dope.. its nice...

i want to go to the 'dam with a friend, i want a dirtbike, i was checking out 2011 camaro SS, etc. etc...

now that I aint blowing every penny, new doors are opening up again...

Concgrats on the successful kick.!>!>!>! :p

-jt

[soggy]

I know it's not a popular opinion on opiophile but I would suggest giving the health care system a try.

Two years ago, I entered an in-patient 2-week addiction treatment program to try to kick an opiate pill addiction.

They took pretty good care of me and although the WDs were hell, they were easier to deal with in a hospital setting than they would have been at home (in pain, take this, can't sleep, drink this, etc.).

I stayed clean for a year before I relapsed; I'm now in a MMT program.

Everyone's journey is different.

soggy

[909kick]

Hey soggy is the inpatient treatment program you attended at CAMH? Just so you know I managed to stay clean for 1.5 months then I was feeling close to a relapse and kinda edgy so I decided to travel to the US to get a one month in duration injection of Naltrexone depot. I can tell you i'm still sober and don't regret getting the injection beside some minor side effects (minor headaches, and mild OCD and depression) i'm ok not perfect but i rest easy knowing i'm on the road to staying clean and thats what really comforts me at night.



Thanks Soggy and all that have posted your help has been great. My only advice to people that want to stay clean is just keep on making attemps at it it won't happen over night but it will happen you might even have to try 10 plus times but what the hell I feel its worth it.