Clonopin questions

[satori]

I have a question! I finnaly found out that clonopin stays in your system much longer then xanax, that its more like valium in what it leaves behind for a while. If you take it for 2 days, then dont take it for 2 days is it possible to still become physicaly dependant? Should it be spaced more like 1 day taking 3 not atking if you dont want to have WD's? Any input?

[HistoryofMadness]

I have a question! I finnaly found out that clonopin stays in your system much longer then xanax, that its more like valium in what it leaves behind for a while. If you take it for 2 days, then dont take it for 2 days is it possible to still become physicaly dependant? Should it be spaced more like 1 day taking 3 not atking if you dont want to have WD's? Any input?

-note- the answer is in the last para if you don't want to read all this bs

Here's your problem: with a 72 hour half-life (gooogle that to be sure, but I think)... that means that if I took one klonopin now, its Friday midnight... then come Monday, midnight 3 fucking days later, only HALF of it is gone... that's why its called half-life...

Now, half-life is a curve, not a straight line, and it starts dropping off pretty rapidly after it crosses the half-life, so it'll probably be gone in a day, day and a half. . .

So let's say your on 2 mg, Friday, then Monday you will still have 1 mg, and you take another 2mg, now you have 3mg, and then Thur you still have 1.5mg in your system, and you take 2mg more, then Sunday you still have 1.75mg and you take 2mg more, then you have almost 4mg in your system.

The longer you take them the faster your tolerance builds, and the faster you get addicted... so yes, you would still get addicted even if you skipped 3 days between doses, and especially if you only skipped 2... you'd probably have to skip 5 days each time to be sure, if you're talking about taking them on a regular basis..

[satori]

OMFG! Holyshit that was a terrible experience. Ok! I would just like to say, clonopin... wd or whatever it is called was much much worse then any opiate wd i have EVER experienced. I didnt realize the half life was so long i thought it was like xanax, so if i took it two days in a row then stopped for a day or two it would be like starting over. Well i have been on it for a year i guess. I dont know how much i took on average but some nights it was .5, 1, 1.5, and 2mg. I had decided to "clean out" and stop taking everything, pain meds (what little i took) + clonopin. Well after 3 days i felt like i was going absolutely insane. I couldnt drive, i got about 30 seconds away from my house and had to turn around and have my MOM drive me (which was quiet strange for me). I asked my psycholigist (sp) what the beggening symptoms of schitzophrenia(sp) were. That night i tried to sleep, i was up untill 5:40 (went to bed at 1) just kinda rolling around and my leggs were all twitchy and hitting each other. I was like.... hearing things..... not quiet that it was almost all in my head, peception of hearing something in my head is the best way i can describe it. I was imganing things that werent there, talking to people etc. The next day i realized something. I have "been on" clonopin for almost exactly a year now. So after being on it a year i just stopped out of the blue and crashed hard. Im going to slowly go down now but i dont know what level to go to. My doses were all over the place, some nights it was 1/2 of a .5 tablet, a few times it was even 2mg. I have been able to function of .25mg a day for the past 2 days and feel MUCH better though not much better. Im not sure if i want to get back up to .5 a day because i feel i have made some type of progress getting it out of my system and down to .25 a day. I had also read that some drugs can interfere with the WD affcts, illicit drugs alcohol etc. Anybody know what those risks are?

[Babydollangel]

ok first off let me say that my experience is only with xanax BUT dr offered me a choice between the two and having at the time never heard of Clon. I went with the alprozalam. Last sept doc took me off all of a sudden (said he thought my anti depressant should have had ample time to kick in hence not needing the X anymore.) well let me tell you, after being on 6 mgs daily of X. for almost 3 years I had one hell of a time getting off that med !! He wanted me to do a 2 week taper ! I tried it for a few days and almost admitted myself into a rehab. I felt like i was going crazy and im not exaggerating here !! I was very anxious and jittery, yelling at everyone in my family, freaking out when having to ride in the car to the point of grabbing the stearing wheel from whom ever is driving. Also went at least a week and a half with no sleep and had like electrical shock sensations in my extremities. I did a lil research and found out how dangerous ct is of xanax that it scared me ....I took all my med i had left --thankfully i never always took all my dosage I was allowed daily..i started cutting it in half like weekly even when the peices got so small I couldnt break them anymore I got out a knife and sliced slivers of the drug and took mainly at night. OMG what a freaking nightmare all that was.
siighhh went back to dr for cuz my GAD is again out of control and he put me on the same med along with effexor (which i have decided i AM NOT going to take, but he will be non the wise of that ..lol) Been only 2 months on X. again but already have thought about doing a taper. Havent but thought about it....lol...i hear there is a chance of seizure when ct these meds so be careful..i dont know if that is only for xanax or not but i read it somewhere.
Xanax has saved my sanity many times but im always scared of walkin in internist office one day and being cut off out of the blue such as what happened before.
I know you were asking about clonopin but i know its a benzo as x. so thought maybe I could help a little here. Benzos werent meant for long term use i dont think. although I chose/choose to make them part of my life there is a price to pay in the end.
Hope this helped some. My dr NEVER ever told me about any of this and the taper he had for me was inteneded to go for 2 weeks only !! what a crock !! i know better this time.

[satori]

YEA! Its terrible. I actualy think its worse then just stopping when on OXY (40mg day). I was losing my mind. Even though i felt so terrible i didnt want to get back up to 1mg a day so i decided to keep taking .25 each day untill i feel normal. Im ALMOST there lol. I still will be out and all of a sudden the sky and tree line will blend together or look like a TV screen (hard to explain) but im deff doing a bit better. I was so afraid because i thought i was just going crazy i had no idea it was due to CLONOPIN. DAMNED HALF LIFE!

[candy]

You are not supposed to abruptly stop taking Klonopins or any benzo for that matter!!! You silly guy! How are you doing now?

Years ago my Mom was hooked on Valium and ate them like candy. Doctor stops her abruptly and she goes nuts like Linda Blair. Holy shit! I was only a kid at the time and was scared shitless by her behavior. Man, I liked her alot better when she was trippin on the Valium. She ended up having seizures and was put back on benzo's(Xanax) and tapered slowly.

I realize it can be difficult to stop with a taper. You know they are there and you want to take them, but stopping abruptly can be really dangerous.

A few times working in the ER we would get someone going through Benzo withdrawal and actually experiencing psychosis. It was really quite something to see from a medical point of view, but terrible for the person experiencing it.

Be careful and if you can, try to taper off!

[Babydollangel]

I just wanted to add this......taking any kind of benzo (xanax for me) = toleracance/addiction.

I can take amounts that would leave a large animal knocked out for days but does nothing to me cuz of how long ive been taking them. I am trying though everytime I take a peice of that bar (i never take the entire thing at once for some reason..lol) to remember the helll that i went through before when getting off them..my doc will do a taper but its a ridiculous one that wont work so I am just taking enough to keep the GAD at bay and not feel crazy as you were saying cuz things sure start to get shitty fast when my x. is not in my system (or wait that could be my opies too....haha):D

[bronyraur]

here's some info on the half-lives of various benzos. Just some technical stuff, if it helps.


http://www.dr-bob.org/tips/bzd.html

[satori]

You are not supposed to abruptly stop taking Klonopins or any benzo for that matter!!! You silly guy! How are you doing now?

Years ago my Mom was hooked on Valium and ate them like candy. Doctor stops her abruptly and she goes nuts like Linda Blair. Holy shit! I was only a kid at the time and was scared shitless by her behavior. Man, I liked her alot better when she was trippin on the Valium. She ended up having seizures and was put back on benzo's(Xanax) and tapered slowly.

I realize it can be difficult to stop with a taper. You know they are there and you want to take them, but stopping abruptly can be really dangerous.

A few times working in the ER we would get someone going through Benzo withdrawal and actually experiencing psychosis. It was really quite something to see from a medical point of view, but terrible for the person experiencing it.

Be careful and if you can, try to taper off!

I DIDNT STOP ON PURPOSE - Exactly. I didnt think it was in my system for the past year. I thought it had an 8 hour half life. So i take it one night then not for two, then two nights and not for two i wouldnt become "dependant". I didnt realize the half life was so damned long. I had basicly been on it sense last summer (was on it two years befor that and tappered off over a 3 month period) but i had thought it was maybe at most a week (started increasing use, never above 1.5 except two times). Well! Like i said i went crazy and had no idea why. I didnt say OH! i will just stop taking it, i had no idea i had technicaly "been on it" the entire time.

Im doing better now though, i seem to be adjusting to .25 a day, then in two weeks i will take .125 for two weeks, then half again.

[Babydollangel]

I DIDNT STOP ON PURPOSE - Exactly. I didnt think it was in my system for the past year. I thought it had an 8 hour half life. So i take it one night then not for two, then two nights and not for two i wouldnt become "dependant". I didnt realize the half life was so damned long. I had basicly been on it sense last summer (was on it two years befor that and tappered off over a 3 month period) but i had thought it was maybe at most a week (started increasing use, never above 1.5 except two times). Well! Like i said i went crazy and had no idea why. I didnt say OH! i will just stop taking it, i had no idea i had technicaly "been on it" the entire time.

Im doing better now though, i seem to be adjusting to .25 a day, then in two weeks i will take .125 for two weeks, then half of that.

Satori,
Glad your feeling/doing better.......yeah the bigger half-life with clon. was one reason I thought about trying it out instead of xan. i dont know which would be worse though cuz once I dont have any xan. in my system talk about loosing touch with reality and FAST !
Since I had finally rid myself of this med over a very slowwwwwwwwwww and painful process I am now back on it and reading your postings have made me re think somthings.
thanks for letting us know how it is going...benzos are just bad to get addicted to not only feeling crazy but the dangerous part of it.

glad your better and hope you didnt mind my commenting so many times about it since Im not on your actual med but just one in its class.

[Neo]

I have a question! I finnaly found out that clonopin stays in your system much longer then xanax, that its more like valium in what it leaves behind for a while. If you take it for 2 days, then dont take it for 2 days is it possible to still become physicaly dependant? Should it be spaced more like 1 day taking 3 not atking if you dont want to have WD's? Any input?


The best way not to get your body addicted, where withdraws could become a problem is to NOT start!!!! I understand ur concern but, don't take any if ur that worried about withdraws, seriously man. Otherwise if u decide to take it for any chunk of time, you run the chance of your body becoming addicted.

[satori]

i have already said i have been on it a year atleast thats my best gues. When i first asked i asked when i figured out i had been on it roughly a year. I had taken it for two years a while ago so im not new to it by any means but i thought it had a much much shorter half life. So i cant simply not start taking it because i have been taking it.

Babydollangel: thats fine! No problems. Sometimes its good to talk to others about something like this. Its... quiet terrible really.

[satori]

Alright i got down to .125 then stopped three days ago! AHHH i feel a lot better. Sleep has been kinda hard but i have been able to get some sleep so its great! It has deff. had a large affect on me though, a bit more anxiety and not going out but its starting to go away a bit.

[alowishus]

I'm pretty fucked right now, tryed some MDMA crystal for the first time, last night about 1am eastern, well It's like the 1st time I tryed X, I just get a speedy buzz like the later stages' of a acid trip, just a white wash over all the things I see, and I try to be VERY quiet, too loud is not good, so I took 6 2mg klonopins to try and get some sleep, and then a big glass of grit to help the sleep.

What do strychnines do to others, I really don't feel anything, I know that if I take the 60 or so I'l most likely pass-on right? I'm most disapointed the MDMA was a BIG lET DOWN for what I was told. I got cold and sweaty feet and hands, just like the strychnine from all the blotter we used to take. I hate that speedy buzz.

So I guess my quess is what does klonopins or other benoz's do to other????

[zombiewoof23]

I'm pretty fucked right now, tryed some MDMA crystal for the first time, last night about 1am eastern, well It's like the 1st time I tryed X, I just get a speedy buzz like the later stages' of a acid trip, just a white wash over all the things I see, and I try to be VERY quiet, too loud is not good, so I took 6 2mg klonopins to try and get some sleep, and then a big glass of grit to help the sleep.

What do strychnines do to others, I really don't feel anything, I know that if I take the 60 or so I'l most likely pass-on right? I'm most disapointed the MDMA was a BIG lET DOWN for what I was told. I got cold and sweaty feet and hands, just like the strychnine from all the blotter we used to take. I hate that speedy buzz.

So I guess my quess is what does klonopins or other benoz's do to other????

It doesn't sound to me like you got pure MDMA. Either that or you ingested too much, like I did the first time. Although my experience was enjoyable, especially since I didn't catch myself on fire that night. I woke up to cigarette burns all over my blanket. It was intense, but it wasn't too overly speedy. A buddy of mine and I did two huge rails thinking it was coke one night, and that's how I got introduced. Of course as soon as it hit my sinus and I felt the burn, and got the taste, I knew we had messed up. We did alot of coke at the time, so we laid out some monster rails. Whoops. My friend woke up with his lip hanging off. He had been chewing on it all night. Its funny now, to picture him with what appeared to be a huge piece of raw meat hanging off of his face, and knowing he had to explain it in class. It was gross, but it healed up alright. Oh yeah, and apparently you can see to type, so that tells me you didn't take too much. I could not focus on a damn thing, smoking a bowl was next to impossible.

[alowishus]

It doesn't sound to me like you got pure MDMA. Either that or you ingested too much, like I did the first time. Although my experience was enjoyable, especially since I didn't catch myself on fire that night. I woke up to cigarette burns all over my blanket. It was intense, but it wasn't too overly speedy. A buddy of mine and I did two huge rails thinking it was coke one night, and that's how I got introduced. Of course as soon as it hit my sinus and I felt the burn, and got the taste, I knew we had messed up. We did alot of coke at the time, so we laid out some monster rails. Whoops. My friend woke up with his lip hanging off. He had been chewing on it all night. Its funny now, to picture him with what appeared to be a huge piece of raw meat hanging off of his face, and knowing he had to explain it in class. It was gross, but it healed up alright. Oh yeah, and apparently you can see to type, so that tells me you didn't take too much. I could not focus on a damn thing, smoking a bowl was next to impossible.


No I didn't take that much I got a gram, and I did like, well I put the tip of my knife in the plie twice and just mixed that in some fruit drink and chuged, The guy said if I snorted it I'd be sorry - painful. I just think my serotonin levels are so out of fuck that it's not doing what it should, just a lay man's opinion. I guess I could take more but I just don't have the time to be munged!!!

I didn't look like any of these fuckers though!!!!

[LayinLow]

I'm pretty fucked right now, tryed some MDMA crystal for the first time, last night about 1am eastern, well It's like the 1st time I tryed X, I just get a speedy buzz like the later stages' of a acid trip, just a white wash over all the things I see, and I try to be VERY quiet, too loud is not good, so I took 6 2mg klonopins to try and get some sleep, and then a big glass of grit to help the sleep.

What do strychnines do to others, I really don't feel anything, I know that if I take the 60 or so I'l most likely pass-on right? I'm most disapointed the MDMA was a BIG lET DOWN for what I was told. I got cold and sweaty feet and hands, just like the strychnine from all the blotter we used to take. I hate that speedy buzz.

So I guess my quess is what does klonopins or other benoz's do to other????

MDMA crystal? As in meth? Never heard of it. If all you got was a speedy buzz and feelings of a late acid trip, I doubt you got real MDMA. MDMA is a very powerful drug, and you will know when you get the real deal. From what you state, I belive you got MDA, MDMA's cousin which tends to last longer, more visuals, and not as much lovey-dovey type stuff. When you get real MDMA in a strong dose, you will feel pure bliss my friend.

[HeidiW]

You did crystal meth. There is is no real MDMA anymore.

[alowishus]

IT WASN"T METH.

I didn't take that much...hence the lite buzz


This is straight from the Dam. Molly as it's called.

[andy_riverbed]

i once took like 11 of those fuckers, and man was i wilding out

i started fucking around with some india ink paintings i had, and i would see all the lines movieng around and colors

it was awsome

i was also told i stayed in a sort of 3 day delirium

wel anyways, thats it