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Soda
07-19-2006, 06:51 AM
Smoking heroin off aluminum tied to deaths
Mar. 14, 2003 10:15 AM
VANCOUVER, British Columbia - Smoking heroin off aluminum is suspected in three recent deaths and at least seven cases of serious brain damage in the metropolitan area, Royal Canadian Mounted Police say.
"Don't smoke heroin, period - but if you do, don't smoke it off aluminum," said Wayne Jeffrey, a police toxicologist. "There seems to be an interaction between some of the things heroin is cut with and the aluminum foil that causes a toxic reaction."
The unusually large cluster of deaths and brain damage reported in heroin smokers is the largest ever seen in North America, health officials say, and the source remains unclear.
"We haven't confirmed exactly what's going on," said Derek Daws, managing director the British Columbia Drug and Poison Information Center. "It's unusual that there is such a cluster that has occurred in this area in such a short period of time."
The first sign of trouble, officials say, is slurred speech and a wobbly walk, followed by an inability to speak and paralysis. Authorities say the signs can take weeks to develop.
Pathology tests to check for contamination in the body will take weeks to complete, officials said.
In warning of the danger, Dr. Diane Rothon, director of health services for the Corrections Branch, said irreversible brain damage has been "identified in the drug-using population in provincial correctional centers, the Drug Treatment Court and in methadone maintenance treatment clinics, among others."
Many of the survivors are too damaged to describe what happened, but Daws said investigators believe they all smoked heroin that was resting on aluminum foil and may have filtered the smoke through steel wool.
Regional coroner Jeanine Robinson said her staff has confirmed that one user died after smoking heroin from aluminum foil, "holding tin foil over a flame." The other deaths have not been definitely linked to the aluminum.
The latest cases date from last fall. Over the last 20 years cases have also been reported in Amsterdam, the United States, Taiwan, China and the rest of Canada.
SMOKING HEROIN DANGEROUS
The city's chief medical health officer is investigating why three Vancouver residents have died since last fall and seven others suffered varying degrees of brain damage from smoking heroin.
Dr. John Blatherwick said the 10 cases comprise the largest group of toxic heroin reactions in such a short time period ever in North America, and he's worried more people could die or fall ill before the cause is determined.
His investigation, however, is hampered by the difficulty of getting solid information from the living victims, who either can't speak or have irreversible brain damage. The victims are all adults, seven of whom live outside the Downtown Eastside.
"This is just not a Downtown Eastside story," Blatherwick said. "This is nice upper middle class people having drugs brought to their house, and this is destroying their brains for the rest of their lives."
Called "heroin-induced toxic leukoencephalopathy," the condition involves alteration of the white matter of the brain through exposure to a toxin or poison. Blatherwick believes the heroin, its cutting agent or possibly the aluminum foil used in smoking the drug is responsible for the damage.
Heroin is smoked by heating the powder on a piece of tin or aluminum foil over a flame. The resulting white smoke is inhaled, sometimes using a tube or rolled foil cylinder. The practice is often called "chasing the dragon."
Since brain damage is usually permanent, early detection of the condition and immediately eliminating exposure to heroin smoke is essential, said Blatherwick, noting the 10 cases were reported at Vancouver General Hospital and St. Paul's Hospital.
The condition was first reported in Amsterdam in 1982. In the past 20 years, sporadic cases have appeared in Europe, the United States, Canada, Taiwan, China and Lebanon.
Det. Robb McLaren is investigating the cases on behalf of the Vancouver police drug unit, which recently conducted a covert "dial-a-dope" investigation to catch dealers delivering drugs to peoples' homes.
Buys were made across the city, resulting in the arrest of 34 suspected dealers. McLaren said many customers outside the Downtown Eastside prefer smoking instead of injecting heroin to conceal the fact they are addicts.
"You don't have to worry about cooking it, sticking it in a needle, stick it in your arm, find a vein-all that ugly stuff," said McLaren, noting, however, that both methods of abusing the drug are equally addictive.
Traditionally, heroin is cut with glucose-which is harmless and often used for children who are lactose intolerant-to decrease the purity and spread out a dealer's drug supply. But McLaren has also heard of cases where heroin was cut with caffeine and even strychnine.
Dean Wilson, president of the Vancouver Area Network of Drug Users, suspects the victims may not have been smoking heroin at all. He believes it could be fentanyl, a synthetic narcotic whose biological effect is indistinguishable from that of heroin, except that fentanyl may be hundreds of times more potent.
Fentanyl is most commonly used intravenously, but like heroin, may be smoked or snorted.
Smoking heroin is not a new phenomenon, McLaren said, pointing to the Opium Wars in the early 1800s, when the English shipped tons of opium-from which heroin is derived-from India into China in exchange for manufactured goods and tea.
This trade produced a country filled with drug addicts, as parlors for smoking opium proliferated throughout China in the early part of the 19th century.

shaunclo
07-19-2006, 10:38 AM
Shit, well then I must be one fucked up little bastard, cause I spent more than a year smoking like 2 G's a day off of foil before I moved onto the "spike" method.

illchemist
07-19-2006, 10:51 AM
Sounds more like MPTP poisoning rather than an interaction with aluminum. Smoking off of aluminum is quite safe and aluminum is inert to most substances. The whole "smoking off of aluminum gives you alzheimer's" is a myth.

Look at the symptoms: slurred speech followed by inability to walk followed by paralysis. This looks like a clear example of the MPTP poisoning leading to parkinson disease conditions. Either the authorities are just plain stupid and haven't checked the past literature on heroin poisonings or maybe it is another toxin. I am almost positive that this is MPTP posoning, however.

MPTP appears as a byproduct in a particular synthesis of a meperidine analog. I'm not going to go into the chemistry of how it's formed but it contaminates the product if it is poorly purified. It destroys dopamine transporters and leads to a chemically induced parkinson's disease.

-ill

Phluck
07-19-2006, 11:32 AM
There's a thing in heroin helper about this: http://www.heroinhelper.com/user/health/leukoencephalopathy.shtml

and according to him, the aluminum is not the problem. Apparently this problem can occur when smoking off of materials other than aluminum. The theory is that it's caused by some as of yet unknown adulterant found occasionally in heroin that causes this disease when heated and inhaled.

The exact cause is unclear, but what is known is that this only occurs in people who smoke heroin, and it can occur regardless of what materials are used to smoke it.

Phluck
07-19-2006, 11:34 AM
Oh, and while this can be extremely dangerous and even fatal, if you seek medical attention immediately once you experience any symptoms, you can at least have a partial recovery. So remember, if you experience slurred speech or difficulty walking, even several days after smoking heroin, seek medical attention immediately.

RobOC
07-19-2006, 12:31 PM
I always shot my H but I had many a friend who smoked it off of foil and did so for years. I recently learned that it is smart to first burn the aluminum foil before smoking off of it. Apparently this prevents what I think is Al oxide (not sure) from being formed when you heat it later on to smoke off of it. Anyway I knew alot of people who never burned their foil and alot who did and they are all OK today. I do however remember one guy who could no longer smoke his dope off foil because it would make him puke. He claimed that he had just smoled too much H off of foil in his past and therefore had to use a glass pipe.

Soda
07-19-2006, 03:04 PM
Sounds more like MPTP poisoning rather than an interaction with aluminum. Smoking off of aluminum is quite safe and aluminum is inert to most substances. The whole "smoking off of aluminum gives you alzheimer's" is a myth.

Look at the symptoms: slurred speech followed by inability to walk followed by paralysis. This looks like a clear example of the MPTP poisoning leading to parkinson disease conditions. Either the authorities are just plain stupid and haven't checked the past literature on heroin poisonings or maybe it is another toxin. I am almost positive that this is MPTP posoning, however.

MPTP appears as a byproduct in a particular synthesis of a meperidine analog. I'm not going to go into the chemistry of how it's formed but it contaminates the product if it is poorly purified. It destroys dopamine transporters and leads to a chemically induced parkinson's disease.

-ill
In short, MPTP is...

CUBErt
07-27-2006, 02:54 AM
I always shot my H but I had many a friend who smoked it off of foil and did so for years. I recently learned that it is smart to first burn the aluminum foil before smoking off of it. Apparently this prevents what I think is Al oxide (not sure) from being formed when you heat it later on to smoke off of it. Anyway I knew alot of people who never burned their foil and alot who did and they are all OK today. I do however remember one guy who could no longer smoke his dope off foil because it would make him puke. He claimed that he had just smoled too much H off of foil in his past and therefore had to use a glass pipe.

Yea in my circle of friends we all "prep" the foil before smoking. Its kinda funny, no matter how sick/fiending someone is they'll almost always still prep even before taking one hit. I described it in detail in another thread, but I definitely think there are benefits to the prepping method. You can see vapors coming off heavily when you first do it, and they stop coming off after a while. The foil kinda tightens and crinkles up, as if it is losing a portion of its mass. You can definitely taste the difference when you smoke after prepping as well. You still get a bit of foil vapors especially if the lighter stays concentrated on one spot too long, which is why chasing the dragon is so important.

I also tried to buy a glass pipe at one point because I was still trying to find safer alternatives to foil, but I had a really hard time getting it to bubble or produce any smoke. Perhaps because it was tar heroin inside too thick of glass. It would probably be easy to smoke powdered heroin this way though.

Paregoric Kid
07-27-2006, 06:59 AM
the foil is not what is toxic. you cook food with foil and that is not toxic. foil is safe and is made for use around high temperatures. the disease is caused from a contaminant in the heroin that only seems to cause problems when smoked.
http://www.heroinhelper.com/user/health/leukoencephalopathy.shtml
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Aluminum neither melts nor vaporizes at the temperatures that it would be exposed to in the course of smoking heroin. It is, however, possible for acids to eat holes in it. This will be familiar to people who have stored acidic food--like tomato sauce--in aluminum foil. Heroin is an acid; this is why it burns when injected into a muscle. But there are two reasons why this would be unlikely to cause a problem to a heroin inhaler.

Heroin is not a very strong acid. What it is cut with, may be, of course. Black tar heroin is often cut with coffee which is extremely acidic. With the high-purity of the street-level heroin sold these days, this isnot such a big concern.
The products of th chemical reaction of aluminum with the most common chemicals (http://www.heroinhelper.com/user/health/leukoencephalopathy.shtml#common) found in street heroin do not vaporize at these temperatures.Aluminum Myth is Harmful

All of this is not to say that there is no problem. There is a disease that seems to affect heroin users only when they inhale it. But aluminum plays no role whatsoever in causing the disease. I believe many people jump to the conclusion that aluminum foil is the culprit because of the widespread belief that drinks in aluminum cans and food wrapped in aluminum foil cause Alzheimer's Disease. (It doesn't, but once the public believes something it is almost impossible to change the belief.) There are real things heroin smokers can do to make themselves safer, but smoking from a different surface (such as from a crack pipe) is not one of them. "

shaunclo
07-27-2006, 01:56 PM
There are real things heroin smokers can do to make themselves safer, but smoking from a different surface (such as from a crack pipe) is not one of them. "

So what are these things that someone who smokes H can do to make themselves a healthier H smoker?

Phluck
07-27-2006, 02:01 PM
the foil is not what is toxic. you cook food with foil and that is not toxic. foil is safe and is made for use around high temperatures. the disease is caused from a contaminant in the heroin that only seems to cause problems when smoked.
http://www.heroinhelper.com/user/health/leukoencephalopathy.shtml
"
Aluminum neither melts nor vaporizes at the temperatures that it would be exposed to in the course of smoking heroin. It is, however, possible for acids to eat holes in it. This will be familiar to people who have stored acidic food--like tomato sauce--in aluminum foil. Heroin is an acid; this is why it burns when injected into a muscle. But there are two reasons why this would be unlikely to cause a problem to a heroin inhaler.
Heroin is not a very strong acid. What it is cut with, may be, of course. Black tar heroin is often cut with coffee which is extremely acidic. With the high-purity of the street-level heroin sold these days, this isnot such a big concern.
The products of th chemical reaction of aluminum with the most common chemicals (http://www.heroinhelper.com/user/health/leukoencephalopathy.shtml#common) found in street heroin do not vaporize at these temperatures.Aluminum Myth is Harmful

All of this is not to say that there is no problem. There is a disease that seems to affect heroin users only when they inhale it. But aluminum plays no role whatsoever in causing the disease. I believe many people jump to the conclusion that aluminum foil is the culprit because of the widespread belief that drinks in aluminum cans and food wrapped in aluminum foil cause Alzheimer's Disease. (It doesn't, but once the public believes something it is almost impossible to change the belief.) There are real things heroin smokers can do to make themselves safer, but smoking from a different surface (such as from a crack pipe) is not one of them. "

I actually found some info that suggests this might not be entirely correct. I

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=10525989&dopt=Abstract

I found another article earlier with more info, but I can't seem to find it again... but it seems there are a few cases of intravenous heroin and cocaine use that led to the same disease.

Paregoric Kid
07-28-2006, 01:46 AM
that isn't my writing it was in quotations, go the website. http://www.heroinhelper.com/user/health/leukoencephalopathy.shtml but to answer your question this is what he says on the site "How to Be Safer There are a number of things that a user can do to reduce his risk of contracting leukoencephalopathy. The most obvious is to not use, and it is important to remember that this is always an option. Many heroin users (addicts included) make that decision every day. For those who intend to continue using, here are a few tips that will help.

If there have been reports of heroin-related leukoencephalopathy in your area, don't smoke any heroin.
The problem adulterant does not seem to be used nearly as often with black tar heroin as it is with white powder heroin. For smokers with a choice, choose the black tar.
If you live in an area where you have easy access to syringes, switch to IV injection. The following conditions, which will simulate the advantages of smoking where the body is always experiencing the maximum heroin effect (no "time-bomb" effect), must be followed:
Never re-use a syringe, even your own.
Find a vein and inject a very small part that is in the syringe--5 units maximum.
Wait two minutes between such mini-injections.
Switch to snorting. Follow these rules:

Always use a fresh straw; never share.
Snort a conservative amount.
Wait 20 minutes before snorting again.
If you do continue to smoke heroin, memorize the symptoms (http://www.heroinhelper.com/user/health/leukoencephalopathy.shtml#symptoms) of this disease. If you notice any of these symptoms, go to your doctor right away. It is said that there is no cure, but doctors all over the world are having successes of varying degrees. The sooner you go to the doctor, the better off you will be. "

Black_Pony
12-01-2006, 11:13 AM
SWIM never preps and he's smoked alot of $h!t. When you say you get visible vapors from prepping, are you using that super thick non-stick foil, or the regular cheap stuff? I've never noticed vapors myself when i tried experimenting with prepping the thin cheap stuff... Although my vision does get a little blurry at times!

About slurred speach and difficulty walking, I usually get a spring in my step and think of something eloquent to say!

At least theres always spikes to save people from the 'health risks' of smoking...

nick
12-01-2006, 11:20 AM
that isn't my writing it was in quotations, go the website. http://www.heroinhelper.com/user/health/leukoencephalopathy.shtml but to answer your question this is what he says on the site "How to Be Safer There are a number of things that a user can do to reduce his risk of contracting leukoencephalopathy. The most obvious is to not use, and it is important to remember that this is always an option. Many heroin users (addicts included) make that decision every day. For those who intend to continue using, here are a few tips that will help.

If there have been reports of heroin-related leukoencephalopathy in your area, don't smoke any heroin.
The problem adulterant does not seem to be used nearly as often with black tar heroin as it is with white powder heroin. For smokers with a choice, choose the black tar.
If you live in an area where you have easy access to syringes, switch to IV injection. The following conditions, which will simulate the advantages of smoking where the body is always experiencing the maximum heroin effect (no "time-bomb" effect), must be followed:
Never re-use a syringe, even your own.
Find a vein and inject a very small part that is in the syringe--5 units maximum.
Wait two minutes between such mini-injections.
Switch to snorting. Follow these rules:

Always use a fresh straw; never share.
Snort a conservative amount.
Wait 20 minutes before snorting again.
If you do continue to smoke heroin, memorize the symptoms (http://www.heroinhelper.com/user/health/leukoencephalopathy.shtml#symptoms) of this disease. If you notice any of these symptoms, go to your doctor right away. It is said that there is no cure, but doctors all over the world are having successes of varying degrees. The sooner you go to the doctor, the better off you will be. "
I believe the cause of leukoencephalopathy are unknown.It's all speculation.If it's just something in the dope how come all smokers don't get it?It seems to occur in hot spots.