sorry if this is a stupid question but....

[danny]

what other opiates/opioids have good potential to be smoked? im hung up on chasing gear, its all ive ever done for over 15 years and i cant imagine anything that beats smoking (obviously i dont smoke my methadone lol) for quickness and convenience but - and i spose this is really more to the non uk opiophiles cause we dont really see a large amount of pharmaceutical opiates - what else smokes apart from gear?

(apologies if this is in the wrong section)

[Opiofreq]

Saw a dude smoking oxy's on a documentary.

Don't understand smoking pills ,but the dude looked loaded.

[JonnyM]

Uh oh here we go again.

Perhaps fentanyl is one of the only pharmaceutical opiates that should be smoked.

[Indy]

I think most of them CAN be smoked, but it's more about what form it's in, i.e. smoking pills you end up wasting a lot.

I really wanna start trying extractions on poppy seed tea again, and trying to make a purified product somehow, but I can't really afford the trial and error right now. But i bet you could smoke a PST or PPT extract.

[upstate_007]

Fentanyl can be smoked. With some pretty good results too.

There is no other pharmaceutical I would smoke. Ever.

[norseman]

I agree with Indy, I think pretty much any opiate could be smoked if its in the right form. From what I understand its best for the dope to be in freebase. But then again Fent and Opium smoke really well and Fent is normally a citrate, while opium is full of different alkaloids.

And ya Fent and opium are the only other opi's that swim has smoked, so no real experience.

[Indy]

For what it's worth the main ingredient in opium, morphine, is in opium in the form of morphine meconate, a salt similar to citrate or hydrochloride.

[HistoryofMadness]

don't waste pharms by smoking imo

[danny]

Uh oh here we go again.

Perhaps fentanyl is one of the only pharmaceutical opiates that should be smoked.

was this a case of utmfse danny? apologies for being lazy if it was.....

[euphoricontin17]

Hey Danny, it's no problem man, you didn't know, so you asked. Nothing wrong with that. I feel that what's not good is that on this fourm when someone askes about smoking pills/opiates people are so quick to *bash* and make smart-ass remarks, that it makes it difficult to actually find out *why* it's such a bad idea. i feel that as a board, we would make much more progress by clearly explaining why it shouldn't be done rather than just making fun/busting on people who ask/say they do it.

Furthermore, the reason why most pharmaceutical opiates (with the exception of fent) should not be smoked IMO (and this is a big IMO, not fact) is a number of reasons...

1. Most pharmaceutical opiates are in the form of pills, which are VERY unhealthy and it is just plain bad practice to inhale that ish when you can take it in a more healthy way.

2. As Indy stated, most pharm opiates are not in the "correct" form to be vaporized. Although there is no "correct" form, some forms vaporize better than others for various reasons.

This leads me to my next and most important point. I believe the biggest reason (sans health) you should not smoke pharm opiates is because, as stated above, they are not in the correct form, which leads to a phenomenon where the temperature for vaporization is higher than the damaging point of the chemical. Now don't quote me on that folks, I'm not all that smart and don't know the exact term, but it is something along the lines of the temp needed to get the pill or whathaveyou to turn into smoke, is higher than the temperature at which the chemical is damaged and made inactive by the heat. THIS is why everyone on here says smoking oxy is so stupid, because theoretically, your wasting the oxy and it is getting destroyed before you even inhale it. If these opiates were to be put into a more smokeable, preferably a freebase, form, they could be more easily smoked.

Hope this helps.

[Brony]

was this a case of utmfse danny? apologies for being lazy if it was.....

No danny, not at all. Nothing wrong with your question.


<snip>I feel that what's not good is that on this fourm when someone askes about smoking pills/opiates people are so quick to *bash* and make smart-ass remarks...<snip>

For the record, Jonny was just making reference to the fact that this topic has been discussed before. He wasn't going after danny.

[JonnyM]

was this a case of utmfse danny? apologies for being lazy if it was.....

Nope, its just that most of the time smoking the opiate/opiod as stated above will actually ruin most of the drug while also decreasing bioavaliability.

For example we have a few people that smoke oxycontin and fervently defend it even though all evidence suggests this is a wasteful and inefficient process.

I hope everything works out man.


For the record, Jonny was just making reference to the fact that this topic has been discussed before. He wasn't going after danny.
Yeah sorry if I came off as an asshole guys, It was more a comment on how these smoking threads usually end up.

[euphoricontin17]

Hey Jonny, when I said that, I wasn't referring to you at all, I really just meant people who like call other people stupid for asking about smoking pills, I wasn't trying to aim that towards you at all, sorry if it came off like I did.

[theDeanofGreen]

Hey Danny, it's no problem man, you didn't know, so you asked. Nothing wrong with that. I feel that what's not good is that on this fourm when someone askes about smoking pills/opiates people are so quick to *bash* and make smart-ass remarks, that it makes it difficult to actually find out *why* it's such a bad idea. i feel that as a board, we would make much more progress by clearly explaining why it shouldn't be done rather than just making fun/busting on people who ask/say they do it.

Furthermore, the reason why most pharmaceutical opiates (with the exception of fent) should not be smoked IMO (and this is a big IMO, not fact) is a number of reasons...

1. Most pharmaceutical opiates are in the form of pills, which are VERY unhealthy and it is just plain bad practice to inhale that ish when you can take it in a more healthy way.

2. As Indy stated, most pharm opiates are not in the "correct" form to be vaporized. Although there is no "correct" form, some forms vaporize better than others for various reasons.

This leads me to my next and most important point. I believe the biggest reason (sans health) you should not smoke pharm opiates is because, as stated above, they are not in the correct form, which leads to a phenomenon where the temperature for vaporization is higher than the damaging point of the chemical. Now don't quote me on that folks, I'm not all that smart and don't know the exact term, but it is something along the lines of the temp needed to get the pill or whathaveyou to turn into smoke, is higher than the temperature at which the chemical is damaged and made inactive by the heat. THIS is why everyone on here says smoking oxy is so stupid, because theoretically, your wasting the oxy and it is getting destroyed before you even inhale it. If these opiates were to be put into a more smokeable, preferably a freebase, form, they could be more easily smoked.

Hope this helps.

Dude you are a stand up guy. Seriously, we should all be more like euphoricontin in our responses, we might actually help more new comers, or just anyone who has a question that you might think is stupid, so instead do everything to not answer the question and belittle the person, potentially causing harm and driving them away. You hit it on the head, I assumed that heating a pill up to that tempurature killed the active ingredients, but if you could figure out some way to free the base like with cocaine to crack I guess you could smoke it and it would work much better, but when you stop to think about it the bullshit involved in that its just ridiculous, you need to stop what you are doing and just eat the goddamn things, or if you just HAVE to snort them. Didn't mean to get off topic just had to chime in on that subject, thanks again E.

I have seen the guy on the Oxycontin Express documentary smoking Oxys off foil, and somehow getting high off them, I mean I know it can work but he practically catches the thing on fire, looks like a complete waste to me, just my opinion.
I say forget about smoking any pharms until you can get your hands on Fent, and even then you better do alot of fucking research before you smoke too much, I have heard it's very easy to over do it.
Hope in the mean time you realize eating the pills is SOOOO much more worth your time and money good luck!

[euphoricontin17]

Hey thanks Dean, It feels good to know the post is appriciated. I just do my best to make informative posts when I have knowledge on the subject. i figure if it helps one noob or lurker smoke one less ever-so-special opiate pill, It was worth while. I mean opiates are generally more expensive by weight, than gold, so I really strongly feel we shouldn't waste them. Hell, some people are water activists, some animals, I am an opiate-conservation-activist! :)

[danny]

youre all sound, i didnt think no one was having a dig at me, just a bit of an odd question as the actual gear situation seems to be maybe a bit better in the uk, im not sure although no doubt it varies city to city and between the city and the boondocks just as it does over here
but where pharmaceuticals are concerned the states seems WAY out in front of the uk, youve got things that we dont see but sound the business, like fentanyl (being a long time tooter fentanyl sounds like the holy grail) dilaudid and opana, the doctors seem keener to write scripts that the ones over here thats for sure
even that has a down side cause i see what they charge you for some of them...
if youre a smackhead over here youre pretty much guaranteed a methadone script, its free if youre not working and about £7 a pick up if you are
people moan about the NHS (thats our state controlled health system, i may be way off the mark here but i understand obama trying to do something similar) but despite its many flaws, i think i personally would rather have it than the way things are in the usa (although i may be misinformed there)

[b00ty_m4n]

Saw a dude smoking oxy's on a documentary.

Don't understand smoking pills ,but the dude looked loaded.
:confused: I have never understood smokings pills either to me its kinda waisting goods IMO!:confused:

[The_Chef]

Seriously folks, what's the big deal with smoking? Even with stuff that can be smoked (opium, certain types of heroin, fentanyl gel) it takes practice and good technique and even then isn't a particularly effective mode of administration. It just isn't worth it. Give you lungs a break and get higher while you are at it.

[Thanat0s]

circulatory system is where its at...

shoot drugs, not thugs.

[clonaze-whammed]

Seriously folks, what's the big deal with smoking? Even with stuff that can be smoked (opium, certain types of heroin, fentanyl gel) it takes practice and good technique and even then isn't a particularly effective mode of administration. It just isn't worth it. Give you lungs a break and get higher while you are at it.

Personally I think its an extremely effective ROA, second only to IV, speaking from a no3 base heroin perspective, ie Europe. Didnt seem to take much practice for swim, even self-taught. No3 heroin is made to be smoked, to IV you need to add citric add. Hits you as soon as you exhale.
I would never dream of smoking OC though, or any pharm for that matter. Even when I had fent I prefered buccal.

[Dhedmo]

Erm...

[hero 1]

on the doc oxycotin express the dude smokes his pills. yoy can find a link on this page if you do a search on the mfse. there are no dumb questions on this site a lot a smart ass awnsers to lame queations.the only dumb question you can is is where to score and ask for an address or try to solicit drugs on this site no that is just plain out stupid