Chemical_Boy
01-29-2010, 08:00 PM
I am surprised as all hell that I was able to detox here recently really easily compared to what I was expecting. Over the period of a week I came off of a binge that lasted for a month of heavy use. All it takes these days is a few good days of use and I start getting nasty W/D symptoms, so a month should be long enough to pick up a relatively nasty little habit for me. And especially doing 1/2 a gram or a gram a day of decent stuff...
My tolerance goes up quickly, so even at the end of a relatively short run- like a month- I am doing shots that would definitely turn me blue and cold at the beginning of the run. The shitty thing about it is that I don't even really get a rush or much of a buzz at that point... it just keeps me well.
It is when I get to that point- the point where even a heroic shot is like "meh... I think that was a little rush...."- that I know cessation of use without taper is going to be really a kick instead of just having W/D symptoms. Anyone who has been through it bad enough knows that there is a difference between just having some nasty W/D symptoms, or really truly having an experience that can be described as a real kick. To me, a real kick is completely incapacitating for about a week (couldn't fuckin work or function if you even desperately wanted to), followed by a month(s) of mallaise and depression, as opposed to just having W/D symptoms which definitely sucks and makes you miserable, but you can suffer through if you really need to and still function as a human. So, yeah, when shots start feeling that way, I know I am into the realm of actually kicking if I run out.
But for this "kick" I just stopped. I did have some suboxone. I did a four day taper on the sub and was able to spend the 5th and 6th days just feeling a bit tired and run down, and so forth. But it really wasn't that bad. I thought I was in for it... I am sure that one of the factors is that a month is not long enough to build up a truly serious habit. But still, I thought it was going to be so much worse.
I definitely have to say that I think buprenorphine has real potential when used as a taper or quick detox method. Maintaining on it, like I have in the past, doesn't do it for me. And I always end up doing whatever I have if I am holding any kind of full agonist (even methadone tabs) in order to get "one last buzz", so I have never really had the chance to get off of opies with a proper taper. I always just use, use, use, use, stop.........
Consequently, I never had it go this smoothly before. Since bupe will not buzz me out and I know this, there is no need to try to take more to get buzzed. And I started out with 4 mg, then 2mg, then 1mg, then 1mg. Comfort level so much better than in the past when I have stopped use, even after such a short time. Obviously if I had been using longer, the taper would have needed to be longer. I could see a two week taper on bupe helping even a mildly strong and long term habit be ended relatively easily (relative to full on kick).
Granted, if you have a large enough habit, bupe just won't get you well, regardless of dose. But for the way I used it, I am impressed. And fuck I feel lucky right now:D
Now to try to stay off the shit....:cool:
My tolerance goes up quickly, so even at the end of a relatively short run- like a month- I am doing shots that would definitely turn me blue and cold at the beginning of the run. The shitty thing about it is that I don't even really get a rush or much of a buzz at that point... it just keeps me well.
It is when I get to that point- the point where even a heroic shot is like "meh... I think that was a little rush...."- that I know cessation of use without taper is going to be really a kick instead of just having W/D symptoms. Anyone who has been through it bad enough knows that there is a difference between just having some nasty W/D symptoms, or really truly having an experience that can be described as a real kick. To me, a real kick is completely incapacitating for about a week (couldn't fuckin work or function if you even desperately wanted to), followed by a month(s) of mallaise and depression, as opposed to just having W/D symptoms which definitely sucks and makes you miserable, but you can suffer through if you really need to and still function as a human. So, yeah, when shots start feeling that way, I know I am into the realm of actually kicking if I run out.
But for this "kick" I just stopped. I did have some suboxone. I did a four day taper on the sub and was able to spend the 5th and 6th days just feeling a bit tired and run down, and so forth. But it really wasn't that bad. I thought I was in for it... I am sure that one of the factors is that a month is not long enough to build up a truly serious habit. But still, I thought it was going to be so much worse.
I definitely have to say that I think buprenorphine has real potential when used as a taper or quick detox method. Maintaining on it, like I have in the past, doesn't do it for me. And I always end up doing whatever I have if I am holding any kind of full agonist (even methadone tabs) in order to get "one last buzz", so I have never really had the chance to get off of opies with a proper taper. I always just use, use, use, use, stop.........
Consequently, I never had it go this smoothly before. Since bupe will not buzz me out and I know this, there is no need to try to take more to get buzzed. And I started out with 4 mg, then 2mg, then 1mg, then 1mg. Comfort level so much better than in the past when I have stopped use, even after such a short time. Obviously if I had been using longer, the taper would have needed to be longer. I could see a two week taper on bupe helping even a mildly strong and long term habit be ended relatively easily (relative to full on kick).
Granted, if you have a large enough habit, bupe just won't get you well, regardless of dose. But for the way I used it, I am impressed. And fuck I feel lucky right now:D
Now to try to stay off the shit....:cool: