Converting Heroin to Morphine (you read it correctly...)

[More Feen]

Okay,

There's this cool cat I know, Felis Frigo, and he simply loves da heck outta Morphine.

Now Felis lives near some open air markets that sells the Heroin and the KraK kocaine. He don't really dig the heroin, see?

He asked me if there was some way (an easy, kitchen method) of changing that heroin back to good old morphine.

"Method ain't gotta be 100% mang! (says Felis), just something decent, know what I sayin'?"

I says: "Yes, I know what you are saying." (think butters):

You want to basically de-acetylate the heroin, creating morphine.

Does anyone know a decent method for changing H back into M (again, doesn't have to be 100%)?

I think that maybe boiling it in water, or at least heating it up to 80'C for an hour or two might do the trick. What do you all think?

Thanks (on behalf of Ol' Morfy & Felis Frigo), :p;):o:rolleyes::cool:

M F

PS- If you din't put it together, Felis wants to indulge his Morphine-lust by buying & converting the easily-available Heroin to the dirty, seductrix Morfina... .

[nick]

Just cook it up-as you would a shot and then leave it for a few days.Should have broken down to all sorts of weird types of M by then.

[More Feen]

Okay, so water is the key.

As we talked about on another thread though, letting crap sit in a syringe is asking for more buggies to grow.

But a good filter should catch 'em.

Thanks Nick, enjoy your weekend,

M F

[chopstix]

But.. but, WHY????

[ausativa]

you should say its converted and dont actually do it and see if he can tell the difference... or tell him to eat it. there is still gonna be 6MAM and 3MAM if it just braeks down on its own over time.

[OverDriven]

Ummm...inject it? It turns into morphine as soon as it hits the brain.

[DCBA]

But.. but, WHY????

He already answered that:

There's this cool cat I know, Felis Frigo, and he simply loves da heck outta Morphine.

Now Felis lives near some open air markets that sells the Heroin and the KraK kocaine. He don't really dig the heroin, see?

Just remember its less potent weight by weight!
But i do like a morphine shoot too, its more physical than the heroin shoot!
The first opiates swim ever IV were pharmaceutical morphine ampoules of 10mg/ml (2ml) and 20mg/ml (1ml and 2ml).
Oh those were the days when swim could just pick ampoules from the nursery... But the thing was: it was controlled as hell, all amps would be delivered daily in the morning for the needs of the nursery according to the number of patients that needed them, they were counted and the same number of empty amps had to be delivered back to the hospital pharmacy next morning when picking the amps for the next day.. Offcourse the morphine (and other things) would be missed but it took time until they knew who took them, but one day they got swim picking up morphine/pethidine/dextroproxyphene amps and swim got fired and the police was called..
But there was a gap there, there was a big flask full of MSTs there were not controlled, swim thinks that they were kinda forgoten there.. It may seem strange but the pills were not controlled at all! You could pick as many as you wanted and no one would notice! And even ampoules of non narcotics weren't controlled as well! SWIM has picked many MSTs there, many benzos, and among other things also 1000s of tramadol caps and 100s of tramadol amps too (IVed tramadol sucks... swim would even drink the disgusting amps instead of IVing them..)
Swim does love the histamine rush of a morphine shoot! And swim also love the shoot of IVed dextroproxyphene, it has a even higher histamine reaction! And trust swim when he says that dextroproxyphene IVed is a very good opiate indeed, its way better than pethidine, way better..! Orally it doesn't do almost shit but IVed is a great rush indeed!
Algifene (dextroproxyphene) amps and suppositories (the liquid inside was easy to inject) were very sought after by 70s/80s junkies until they were withdrawn from the pharmacy market and made available only at hospitals, but there is still Algifene tablets with 25mg d-proxyphene and 300mg paracetamol that can be CWE'd.. altought they are not easily obtained!

But i also like heroin!

Ummm...inject it? It turns into morphine as soon as it hits the brain.
its completly different injecting morphine from injecting heroin..

[Paregoric Kid]

like nick said if you dissolve it in water and let it set it will start to degrade. the thing is I don't know how much or any of it will degrade past 6-MAM, it might take a while to degrade to morphine. heroin slowly hydrolyzes in water, with the most stability in the range of 4.2-5.5pH. and I've read it can sometimes take weeks to months. also the warmer it is the faster and more it will decompose. another thing is that from what I understand some consider 6-MAM to be even stronger than heroin.
Spontaneous hydrolysis of heroin in buffered solution.

Smith PT (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed?term=%22Smith%20PT%22%5BAuthor%5D&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsP anel.Pubmed_RVAbstract), Hirst M (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed?term=%22Hirst%20M%22%5BAuthor%5D&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsP anel.Pubmed_RVAbstract), Gowdey CW (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed?term=%22Gowdey%20CW%22%5BAuthor%5D&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsP anel.Pubmed_RVAbstract).
Electron-capture gas-liquid chromatography was used to study the spontaneous hydrolysis of heroin in phosphate buffer (pH 6.4 and pH 7.4) at 23 degrees C. Aliquots of solution were taken over a 24-h period. After extraction at pH 8.9 into propan-2-ol (10%)-ethyl acetate, deacetylated products were made into hepafluorobutyrate derivatives which were analyzed quantitatively using nalorphine as the internal standard. Heroin decomposes to 06-monoacetylmorphine (06-MAM) under these conditions. Further decomposition to morphine was not observed. Spontaneous hydrolysis was faster at pH 7.4 (first-order rate constant, 9.6 x 10-5 min-1) than at pH 6.4 (first-order rate constant, 3.0 x 10-5 min-1). In 24 h, the decomposition to 06-MAM was 13 and 4%, respectively.

Stability of Brompton mixtures: determination of heroin (diacetylmorphine) and cocaine in presence of their hydrolysis products.

Poochikian GK (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed?term=%22Poochikian%20GK%22%5BAuthor%5D&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsP anel.Pubmed_RVAbstract), Cradock JC (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed?term=%22Cradock%20JC%22%5BAuthor%5D&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsP anel.Pubmed_RVAbstract).
The application of a rapid, selective, and sensitive reversed-phase high-performance liquid chromatographic method to the separation of the hydrochloride salts of heroin (diacetylmorphine) and cocaine and their hydrolysis products is described. The method was used to study the stability of heroin and cocaine in Brompton mixtures in pharmaceutically useful pH range and vehicles at different temperatures. The pH range of optimal stability for both heroin and cocaine was 3.0-3.5. The disappearance of heroin and cocaine in Brompton mixtures followed pseudo-first-order kinetics in buffered solutions. Increased alcohol and decreased syrup concentrations diminished heroin hydrolysis but did not influence cocaine stability. Substitution of morphine for heroin in Brompton mixtures markedly increased the rate of cocaine hydrolysis.

Kinetics of heroin deacetylation in aqueous alkaline solution and in human serum and whole blood.

Nakamura GR (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed?term=%22Nakamura%20GR%22%5BAuthor%5D&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsP anel.Pubmed_RVAbstract), Thornton JI (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed?term=%22Thornton%20JI%22%5BAuthor%5D&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsP anel.Pubmed_RVAbstract), Noguchi TT (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed?term=%22Noguchi%20TT%22%5BAuthor%5D&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsP anel.Pubmed_RVAbstract).
A kinetic study of heroin hydrolysis in alkaline aqueous solution at room temperature was conducted by a gas chromatographic method to measure the consecutive reactions of diacetylmorphine to monoacetylmorphine and of monoacetylmorphine to morphine. A first-order reaction was observed in both instances, and the rate for the deacetylation of heroin was greater than that of monoacetylmorphine. The rates of in vitro hydrolysis of diacetylmorphine in human whole blood and in serum were compared by the same method. Diacetylmorphine was hydrolyzed twice as rapidly in blood as in serum. While morphine was an end product of hydrolysis in the blood, it was absent in the serum.

in another thread someone mentioned about heroin degrading into 6-MAM and heroin from UV-C light but I don't know how long it would need to be exposed for, just wanted to throw that in there since it was just mentioned.

[D Man]

Hey More Feen,

Different strokes for different folks, I know, but I'm so curious that I just have to ask: What is it that Felis prefers about morphine over heroin?

I mean, my friend Jim says that the euphoria of H is just sooo much better, and without all the pins and needles and histamine reactions, too. I know Felis pushes slow to minimize the histamine reaction, but what about the orgasmic euphoria that H provides? Does Felis get that from morphine?

Just bitch- slap me if I've pissed ya off, but I'm really just asking more out of curiosity than anything else. Some people like onions, and others don't... It's all good! ;)

[chopstix]

But.. but, WHY????

He already answered that

I read the post big guy, my question remains.

Heroin is effectively morphine with a higher lipid solubility, that's all - it's not like crack vs speed or something..

[More Feen]

Hey More Feen,

Different strokes for different folks, I know, but I'm so curious that I just have to ask: What is it that Felis prefers about morphine over heroin?

I mean, my friend Jim says that the euphoria of H is just sooo much better, and without all the pins and needles and histamine reactions, too. I know Felis pushes slow to minimize the histamine reaction, but what about the orgasmic euphoria that H provides? Does Felis get that from morphine?

Just bitch- slap me if I've pissed ya off, but I'm really just asking more out of curiosity than anything else. Some people like onions, and others don't... It's all good! ;)

D-Man & Chopstix:

Felis has given heroin a fair shake, and straight-up doesn't dig it. The ONLY reason he would want to use it is because of its availability.

Yes, he prefers the nearly instantaneous rush & histamine release of Mother Morphine. Sister Heroin puts him to nod land without much euphoria, for some reason. He doesn't like Fentanyl either.

If there were a competing bunch of homies on the other block selling Morphine, or, god-knows, Guatemalan Purple Tar Morphine, he'd prolly spend his life savings there, and avoid the heroin peddlers altogether.

Thankfully (sadly) that isn't the case.

I'm sure if Felis finds a good source of pharm. opies, he will stop his bitch-whining :cool:

Paregoric K: This is GREAT info I will study the best conditions and pass-on to Senor F. Frigo.

Thanks guys, Felis knows this sounds crazy, he even remembers ppt-ing pharm. morphine and baking it with AA trying to make something he'd like better. Oh well.

M F

[Woody Bear]

Heroin is most stable in mildly acidic conditions, and when kept refridgerated it will keep for a month. But it's not stable in basic conditions, especially hot basic conditions where it breaks down rapidly.

So if you were to add dissolve the heroin in water, and a pinch of baking soda, then boil it for a few minutes, most of the heroin would break down, first into 3-MAM and 6-MAM, and these get broken down into morphine. The solution would then contain mostly morphine freebase and baking soda, so you'd have to add citric acid to get it to dissolve into water again.

Also heroin isn't just a way of getting morphine into the brain, it's a way of getting 6-MAM into the brain. It's the 6-MAM that gives heroin it's extra euphoria over morphine. The heroin breaks down in the brain into mostly 6-MAM with a little bit of 3-MAM, this takes a couple minutes. Then it takes an hour for most of the 6-MAM and 3-MAM to get broken down into morphine.

So most of the heroin rush and the best part of the high happens before hardly any of the dose has changed into morphine.

In the quote, Paregoric Kid posted, "Kinetics of heroin deacetylation in aqueous alkaline solution and in human serum and whole blood." It talks about just that, translated it says:
diacetylmorphine [heroin] breaks down into monoacetylmorphine and the monoacetylmorphine [breaks down] into morphine.

Diacetylmorphine breaks down twice as quickly in blood as in serum (blood plasma with no red blood cells). And morphine was found from [the break down of heroin] in the blood, but in serum they found moonacetylmorphine but not morphine."

[More Feen]

I think that Frigo would like 3-MAM, or more likely 6-MAM, than Heroin, Woody-B, perhaps he need to find a sweetspot when boiling in alkaline conditions. 15 minutes=6MAM?? 20minutes=3MAM, 30minutes=Morphine?? Test should be done.

There is just something about the strong opiates that is missing for him.

Some people really dig fentanyl, Felis could dose himself until he OD'd & died, and never really feel the a buzz.

Very similar situation with heroin. He's tried #3 and #4 (from different continents, in different countries) and it had a very similar effect to Fentanyl. He could take it, until he nodded and passed-out, and feel only the smallest of euphoric tickles for ~ 5 seconds in his belly.

He's an open-minded guy, gives anyone/any drug a chance to make a positive impression. Heroin did not do it.

What can I, or Felis Frigo do? Nothing.

I think the fact that Frigo likes morphine, and can dig a good codeine high (when his morphine tolerance is LOW) says that is what he likes. He likes poppy products too.

Maybe if PAIN were ever a factor when trying Heroin of Fentanyl, their superior analgesic effects will become noticeable and desired.

M F