hints on getting that script?

[surfer]

SWIM aint lying. SWIMs no angel [like many on this board] so SWIM’s gonna tell it like it is. SWIM is a hydro junky when possible

SWIM suffers from rather minor CP in lower back that flares up now and again. When it does hyrdo does the trick. the trick is finding the right MD to write the script. Most wanna start SWIM off on an anti inflammatory when SWIM’s already taking near borderline toxic doses. fuck that. doesn't do it and well...no euphoria right? plus SWIM likes hydro even when SWIM’s back don't hurt. tee hee

so SWIM uses hydro for pain and SWIM loves to suffer a bit, save em up and scarf a few vicoprofens for euphoria. Even when not in pain!

bless u sever CP people but sorry SWIM likes req. use too. sorry if it pisses u folks off. but SWIM got good insurance and SWIM wanna use it

SWIM found a GP at a "auto accident/work comp $ mill' who gave SWIM 54 vicoprophens [7.5 mg hydro w/ 200 Motrin] for rib injury 3 mon ago. that was something like 4 a day for 4 weeks they be gone just now, but that seemed mighty generous script. In the past SWIM was lucky to get 20-30 from most GP's.

[by the way SWIM suggests vicoprohen over vicodin and vicodin ES as they have 7.5 mgs of the good stuff less chance of large amounts of apap and only 200 mgs of ibuprophen]

gonna get appt and wanna know best to communicate the severity of SWIM’s lower back pain to the doc. ;)

got some x rays of back from another flare up....don't know if they will help or hurt

read a few posts about faking sciatica [sp] but SWIM think SWIM got degenerative disk stuff as SWIM's suffered back pain since SWIM was 18. don't think SWIM have sciatica but would pretend to if it increased SWIM’s chances!

this office also has a "sports med" MD who seems to do the occupational health stuff.

1. which doc sounds most receptive
and the biggie
2. any ideas on best ways to "plead SWIM’s case" of for more vicoprofen. [they use a 1-10 pain scale when you sign in]
2a. SWIM read the post about how to fake sciatica w/ the leg raise stuff, did outside research, but could not quite visualize what SWIM was supposed to grimace at.

thanks for the help from the devious minded out there and puritans should recognize their philosophy is what landed us in this prohibition mess in the first place.

it is insane that SWIM can wreck SWIM’s body getting high on all the booze SWIM want and have to "beg" for a drug that is physiologically far more kind to the body in the long run.

sorry about the rant...help appreciated

[WarmCyanide]

the last time i went to a doctor for acute ear pain, the redness and swelling were evident to the doc. told him Ibuprofen is barely working. In other words, I didnt want to come off as an ope head right off the bat and, well.. I didnt ask for some stronger pain relief. Moral of the story. If you have pain, SpEaK Up!!

If your docs not treating the pain, hand him a handkercheif on a stick and show him were the highway is! good luck surfer. let us know how it worked out

[Phluck]

Yeah, don't go in and ask for opiates. Remember, a legit patient wants relief from the pain, not drugs. Go in and say that ibuprophen, tylenol, and asprin all do practically nothing, ask him if there's ANYTHING he can do that will relieve the pain, it's so bad you can't function.

However, if you're not getting withdrawal when not using, then I wouldn't bother. Why? 'Cause getting a real habit is HELL. Taking the pills might be a lot of fun now, but if you need them to function, then you're screwed.

Withdrawal is the WORST agony you can imagine. It's worse than the worst flu you've ever had, it's impossible to get any kind of comfort. You might think now that if you get a bit of a habit, oh well, you'll just tough it out through the withdrawal and be fine afterwards, but it's not that simple. If you don't need the pills now, then wait until next time you genuinely do, and you'll get a treat.

If you start scamming some drugs when you don't need them, then you're going to get yourself into a horrible trap... something hundreds of times worse than you can imagine.

[surfer]

wise caution phluck...wise...no rationalizatoins from SWIM then. but this opiate euphoria urge aint rational is it?

SWIM told the doc who gave me the 54 vico's that lasted over 3 months all the ibu SWIM was eating wasn't helping and when he asked what sort of pain meds SwIM wanted SWIm told him....then he wrote for vicuprophen. at that point swim had a painful rib trauma injury...

now its just plain old back pain that is increased by daily chores like sitting down for work, picking up and caring for very young kids, yard work, etc.

[Phluck]

Not rational, no, but it's possible to control... ESPECIALLY if you haven't yet gotten to the point where you're experiencing withdrawal. I don't know if the very young kids you're caring for are yours, but if you need to be taking care of kids, and you run out of opiates, and end up in withdrawal, you simply won't be able to take care of them.

Unlike other addictions, you can't just get through your day dealing with cravings. Your body stops making its normal painkillers, so you're in constant agony... an agony worse than anything you can imagine. If you want to be able to be there for your kids, I wouldn't be going out of my way to do more. Enjoy them recreationally briefly every few months, but regular use will destroy you, and you still have the chance to save yourself.

[surfer]

SWIM thinks u are a compassionate person. [mean that and appreciate it]

SWIM also does not use every day nor every other day...at least 3 days betwixt to aviod [according to this site] the physical WD thing...SWIM understands many a person has lived to go back on those words as well. Who plans on it right? Recreational drug use is a slippery slope in SWIM's opinion and understands yer kind warnings.

SWIM thanks u for your compassion and concern. I'd like to give u some "points" or whatever the hell that rating system is. SWIM could give a shit about it as SWIM just likes the info here, but SWIM thanks u.

Once I speak to SWIM I will ask SWIM to give u those points and give SWIM your wise warnings

[chemboy7]

I would say your best bet if your looking to score kiddie dope like Hydrocodone would be to look online for a reliable IOP and skip fucking with the doctor and white coats (who the fuck actually enjoys trying to score from docs anyways, you know). Hydrocodone is one of the easiest drugs to find online without a script, right behind Codiene, just make sure that they ship from within the US so you don't have to worry about customs seizing it and once you have found a supplier and are wondering about them come and ask about them under "supply and resource"... someone here has probably heard about them before.

[pachick]

well i used to be a hospital hoper in a big way, and what i found that worked for me on the pain scale was 9 10 they were addmitting u, and 8 they give u t3's

[Hammilton]

I think that once you're caring for kids you really ought to be at the point where you aren't going online and asking people for help with scamming doctors.

I'm not big on preaching morality, but this really crosses two lines- idiocy and immaturity.

If you're honestly in pain you don't need help scamming a doctor because there's no need to scam. Go in and say this is what I've been on and this is what works well for me. If you've tried other things it'll be in your charts. If you have a legit condition, it'll be in the charts.

There's just a time when you need to grow up, and it sounds like you missed it by a bit, and it's really sad.

I have nerve damage in my elbow and TOS, which leaves me in damn near constant, crippling pain without narcotics. So, 9 months ago when I decided I was going to grow up and stop abusing pills, I went in and told the guy about my history of abuse and treatment. I told him that I had been clean for X period of time, and that while I enjoyed taking the narcotics when I was abusing them, I was motivated about 50% by the constant pain I was in. I brought a list of long-acting meds, ordered by abuse potential (lack of, rather) and asked him if he would be willing to treat me. He agreed and put me on methadone. Two of the other meds on the list were fentanyl and MS Contin. I spent 5 months of methadone, switched to fentanyl for about a month, and then back to methadone. Fentanyl isn't very effective for my pain apparently; it was so poor that I was considering buying other meds to control it- aka- abuse. So, I went back on done. Problem with done is that while it only helps pain for about 4-6 hours, penile insensitivity is about none until the 16 and not good until 24-30. I want to try MS Contin, but he's concerned about me abusing it. I don't know if I would or not. I didn't abuse fentanyl, but I had the Mylan and that would have been damn near impossible (without smoking adhesives, ugh!) MS Contin is a waxy stuff so you can't snort it. I suppose you could chew it. Meh.

Good night.

[Phluck]

SWIM thinks u are a compassionate person. [mean that and appreciate it]

SWIM also does not use every day nor every other day...at least 3 days betwixt to aviod [according to this site] the physical WD thing...SWIM understands many a person has lived to go back on those words as well. Who plans on it right? Recreational drug use is a slippery slope in SWIM's opinion and understands yer kind warnings.

SWIM thanks u for your compassion and concern. I'd like to give u some "points" or whatever the hell that rating system is. SWIM could give a shit about it as SWIM just likes the info here, but SWIM thanks u.

Once I speak to SWIM I will ask SWIM to give u those points and give SWIM your wise warnings

That's risky talk right there... thinking that you've got a method to avoid addiction while using regularly, even every three days, is pretty sketchy. The people who avoid addiction aren't the ones who think they've got things under control. The ones who avoid addiction are the ones who are always worried that they're on the verge of having a serious problem. Using every three days is pretty damn regular use. Everyone who ends up with a serious problem starts out saying they've got it under control, they're spacing out their use enough that they won't run into any trouble.

I know because I've been there. I'm not trying to preach or call you an idiot or anything. I fooled myself the exact same way, and I seriously wish I'd never gotten to the point where I was using even once a week. Sure these drugs can be quite safe. Some people get scripts that more than meet their daily needs, and they never run into any trouble. But if you don't have a legitimate need for such scripts, then you're going to end up in a position where you're stuck in this up and down cycle, being unable to care for your kids when you don't have your drugs.

You can really do what you want, but on the direction you're going now, it's not a matter of "if", it's a matter of "when". You're probably rolling your eyes right now... but if you keep using this way, come back in a year and tell me if you don't need help.

[Fleeting_Glimpse]

if you are prepared for withdrawl than it really isnt that bad in my experience, now im not talking heroin or O contin but 5 - 10 mgers should not be a big deal, anyway I think if you can offer swim some advice on getting what he wants i think you should either help him or dont post anything, because I don think he needs a lecture from mom.

[Phluck]

I'm just giving my advice here. It's up to him to do what he wants, but if he's taking care of kids and dealing with an addiction, he's going to end up with some serious problems, and those kids are going to suffer as well.

If withdrawal isn't that big a deal for you, then you're in a minority. If my advice is doing any harm, then he doesn't have to read it. Chances are he'll ignore it and end up dealing with his problems in the future, I probably would have myself. But I don't think my advice is hurting anyone, it's just words on a screen. If I see someone who looks like they're doing something to hurt themselves, I'm going to speak up. Most of the time it's probably going to go ignored, but if I get one person to stop and think long enough that they reconsider what they're doing, then it's worth it. 'Cause I sure as hell wish I had done some thinking myself when I started getting into this addiction.

[devilsdrug]

i call BULLSHIT

[HistoryofMadness]

Go with whatever works. And hammilton, I think its absurd to preach to addicts on a opiophile site about needing to grow up because they like to get high... wtf are you doing that's more 'grown up'?

Boo-fucking-hoo I'm in pain so its cool for me to get high, but not for you... that's bs. All I got to say is using pain as an excuse to get high is about as bad as anything else.

[chemboy7]

I believe that it is one of the rules in the user agreement to not "12 step" someone.

[HandMeSomeOpiates]

Yeah, don't go in and ask for opiates. Remember, a legit patient wants relief from the pain, not drugs. Go in and say that ibuprophen, tylenol, and asprin all do practically nothing, ask him if there's ANYTHING he can do that will relieve the pain, it's so bad you can't function.

However, if you're not getting withdrawal when not using, then I wouldn't bother. Why? 'Cause getting a real habit is HELL. Taking the pills might be a lot of fun now, but if you need them to function, then you're screwed.

Withdrawal is the WORST agony you can imagine. It's worse than the worst flu you've ever had, it's impossible to get any kind of comfort. You might think now that if you get a bit of a habit, oh well, you'll just tough it out through the withdrawal and be fine afterwards, but it's not that simple. If you don't need the pills now, then wait until next time you genuinely do, and you'll get a treat.

If you start scamming some drugs when you don't need them, then you're going to get yourself into a horrible trap... something hundreds of times worse than you can imagine.
I cannot agree with this man more. Great post! I am addicted to Lortab's. Have been for 2 years now ans it's pure HELL!! I wish I had never taken this pill. It controls my life, if I'm out of pills I'm dope sick for 3 days and those 3 days are PURE hell on earth. I love opiates, and I always will. What can I say, I love getting high on opiates. If they didn't control my life and have me where I have to eat pills to feel normal, I'd never stop. I know deep down that one day this will come to an end. Either in a grave or straight up CT. These pills grab hold of you and won't let go, please do yourself a favor and do not get on hydro. It's not worth it bro, take it from someone who knows first hand.

[renton]

I doubt this guy has anything to worry about from hydro. It's kid stuff up there with codeine, so while it can get you a decent high you cant put it anywhere in the same class as oxy's and fentanyl. That being said I think wd is part of the deal for pleasure and pain relief. Nothing is free in this life so you gotta be prepared for some down sides to opies. I mean I dont think it's the end of the world cause your hooked, people can and do break addictions all the time. I was on the fentanyl patch plus taking about 400mg codeine a day and quit cold turkey and made it out allright with the help of some valium. But I'm on disability so I can spare the time for the lifestyle. If you got a family that's your first responsibility no if buts or maybes.

[Phluck]

I doubt this guy has anything to worry about from hydro. It's kid stuff up there with codeine, so while it can get you a decent high you cant put it anywhere in the same class as oxy's and fentanyl. That being said I think wd is part of the deal for pleasure and pain relief. Nothing is free in this life so you gotta be prepared for some down sides to opies. I mean I dont think it's the end of the world cause your hooked, people can and do break addictions all the time. I was on the fentanyl patch plus taking about 400mg codeine a day and quit cold turkey and made it out allright with the help of some valium. But I'm on disability so I can spare the time for the lifestyle. If you got a family that's your first responsibility no if buts or maybes.

Well, everything affects people differently. I don't have a whole lot of experience with hydrocodone, as it doesn't seem to be used in Canada, but the one time I took a 7.5mg Vicodin, I was using about 160mg of Oxy a day, and it took away my withdrawal, and even gave me a little bit of a buzz. It seemed to be WAY better than codeine. So maybe some people aren't affected that much by it, but I've heard of people being seriously addicted to it.

People do break addictions all the time, but some people are able to do it more easily than others. I don't think it's because they're stronger or better people, a lot of it is circumstance, and your own personal body chemistry. Personally, I've had withdrawal experiences that were fairly tolerable, and experiences that were absolutely hellish, and I think my mindstate had a lot to do with it. It wasn't something I could control easily, it was just luck.

[shaunclo]

I doubt this guy has anything to worry about from hydro. It's kid stuff up there with codeine, so while it can get you a decent high you cant put it anywhere in the same class as oxy's and fentanyl.

I use to think this way also, I use to think that everyone who was addicted to hydro or some lesser form of narcotic that I was on had no problem whatsoever and that they had small problems compared to me. Well my perspective has changed since one of my good friends completely lost everything due to Vicodin. The whole time he was getting loaded and complaining about how bad it was getting, I was just like, "dude talk to me when youve moved up to the hard stuff", like I was hardcore and he wasnt, well this friend ended up losing EVERYTHING!!! I thought I had lost a lot when my H habit had gotten way outta hand, but the bottom line is that someone can get just as strung out on vicodin as they can on H or Oxy or Fentanyl, and it is ignorant to think they cant.

[northernstar]

hey you got a link for fakeing that scatica? my buddy claimes to havve gotten hydromorphones with his
"plainer arch".....

[extrajordanary]

I would say your best bet if your looking to score kiddie dope like Hydrocodone would be to look online for a reliable IOP and skip fucking with the doctor and white coats (who the fuck actually enjoys trying to score from docs anyways, you know). Hydrocodone is one of the easiest drugs to find online without a script, right behind Codiene, just make sure that they ship from within the US so you don't have to worry about customs seizing it and once you have found a supplier and are wondering about them come and ask about them under "supply and resource"... someone here has probably heard about them before.

So where exactly is this "supply and resource" section that you're talking about? I can't seem to find it. Is it a forum here on this site?

[Curio]

Go with whatever works. And hammilton, I think its absurd to preach to addicts on a opiophile site about needing to grow up because they like to get high... wtf are you doing that's more 'grown up'?

Boo-fucking-hoo I'm in pain so its cool for me to get high, but not for you... that's bs. All I got to say is using pain as an excuse to get high is about as bad as anything else.


I don't think he came across like this at all....unless he edited or something..

[kdreimiller]

I definately have sciatica. The only thing they've ever scripted for me is ultram and that other high octane NSAID, I forget it's name ketoprofen or something. Ultram, not really fun obviously and keptoprofen just tears your stomach up. I've gone t o multiple docs, not to shop but because I would move to different areas and they dont do jack for me. So I just live with it, try to sleep right, have decent posture and when it gets real bad, lay flat on the floor till it stops hurting, which takes a while sometimes.

[devilsdrug]

sometimes one has to join the world of self medicaters ,,, edit responsibly

[Curio]

sometimes one has to join the world of self medicaters

yeah, and that's just after reading this one thread!

:eek: :argue: :fever:

[kdreimiller]

and self medicate :D

[bronyraur]

Boo-fucking-hoo I'm in pain so its cool for me to get high, but not for you... that's bs. All I got to say is using pain as an excuse to get high is about as bad as anything else.

Amen to that.

I take pain meds for chronic pain (MS Contin and Perc) and it would be BS for me to say that I am ONLY using them for pain. F*CK! I like Jesus H Christ when I take them. And sometimes I take more than I should to get, you guessed it, high! This site is no place to stand on the soapbox, because whether your CP patient, junky, rec. user, or all of them put together, we're all in the same boat, we use opiates in one way or another!

And with that, I better get off of my little soapbox.

[shaunclo]

I think there is a lot of wise things being said in this thread, but a lot of preaching too. I mean we all knew exactly what we were getting into, when we got into the opiate scene. We all have been told mnay times over and over again about the cons of being an addict. And I dont think a 1 of us actually went into it thinking, "I am going to become a full-blown junky" Everyone thinks they will have their drug intake under control, but the bottom line is 90% of us dont, there is a disctint possibility that if you play with fire, you will get burned.

I know how frustrating it is seeing someone who isnt burnt yet, starting their own little fire with a smile on their face having a great time, when we are all laying in our hospital beds unable to move because we are all singed and burnt. But who the hell here listened to the other people saying, "Becareul, this will probably get you." I know I didnt, and no matter what anybody said, I was gonna do what I was gonna do.