Kadian question(or any morphine in a capsule)

[beardly01]

Alright, I've searched and only turned up a few things mentioning this.

In one discussion the people were discussing the crisping method and just had the skins(capsules with no beads) and they seemed to have a desire to use them. So my question is this: do the skins(capsules) contain any morphine or is all of the morphine in the bead matrix?


Thanks,
Beardly.

[oneironaut]

the morphine is in the beeds, not the capsule, as far as Kadians and Avinzas are concerned. i've actually never heard of medication ever being contained in the actual capsules, but who knows i may be wrong. i have a lot of experience with Avinzas though, and know that they don't for sure.

crisping works well for insufflation, so i've heard, but i haven't been too successful with it, nor have i had the desire to snort that horrific burn in a long time, but thats how i used to do it, unfortunately.

if you want to just break the time-release, all you have to do is crunch the beads into a fine powder-- i usually use a makeshift mortar and pestle, but there are other methods if you use your imagination. once crushed, you can mix the powder in a small amount of nice cold water and stir for a minute, then drink. doesn't taste too bad and hits you quite quickly. if you prefer you can mix in water and iv, but don't do so without a micron or wheel filter, for there is a lot of talcum powder in the beeds, and that shit aint no good.

hope this helps, welcome aboard.

[erica]

Side note: That stuff never did anything for me, really. I tried the crisping method and didn't feel anything. Ended up downing 60 of the 60mg avinzas and finally got a little bit high...

[oneironaut]

^^^yea me either. i never understood the point, and couldn't quite get why anyone would want to heat their morphine.

like i said, if you want to defeat the time release, just grind up into a fine powder. then you can mix it in water, etc. I usually take 4 90s a day... hit the vein, strait to the brain. i much prefer 100% bio vs. 30%, or else i'd do it some other way.

and why the ef would anyone heat the skins? there may be a little residue on the inside of them, but that would be miniscule.

[michellebaines]

I've found the best way for preping kadian for ingestion (iv, mixing with liquid & drinking, etc.), is to crush the beads in a mortar/pestle type pill crusher then filter through a mesh tea strainer into a cup or onto a piece of paper. For injection then mix powder with water to dissolve. (do ont throw out remaining bead particles in strainer, save to steep in water at a later date when u really need it [pour saved bead frags into strainer and place strainer in abt 1/8-1/4 inch of water in a cup and allow to soak for abt a min then proceed as normal]).

You need far less filtering using this method because you are not trying to get rid of the big fragments.

[dharma bum]

Waay back in the day people would swear that Tylox capsules had phenergen in them.....and butalbital...

[paroxetina]

My experience with morphine is limited to avinza and mscontin, but with the avinza, I found crisping to be useless, or else I was doing it wrong. I'd crush the beads with a mortar and pestle (as oneironaut suggested) and mix it with water, then drink or plug it. I found that plugging had a slightly faster onset.

The high from morphine was pretty useless for me though. The thing I like about an opiate high is the motivation and euphoria. With morphine, it made me sleepy and - I'm not kidding - crazy as fuck.

I told this story on here recently, but I'll mention it again. A friend came over to watch the 2008 super bowl with me, and I had a few avinzas. She's a fellow opiate user but hadn't done morphine, and didn't have a super high tolerance, so I gave her 60mg, and I think I did 120. We crushed it, drank it, and sat down to watch the game. I pretty much passed out, and began occasionally speaking nonsense phrases. I'd lift my head up, say something, and immediately know that it didn't make sense, though I couldn't remember what I'd said. This kept happening, and my friend thought it was hilarious, being less fucked up than me. Eventually she went home. I went to bed, but I woke up standing at my front door with no pants on (I sleep in just a t-shirt) WITH THE DOOR WIDE OPEN and no memory of moving from my bed to the front door (a decent distance).

Hence, I have no desire to do morphine again, since it lacks my desired opiate effects, and it makes me crazy.

[Swellin]

paroxetina Its weird how drugs effect people in a complete oppisote way. For me when i take morphine i get the exact oppisite effect, i get a huge rush of energery, i get really hungry and i could clean my house for 10 hours straight, and still be fucking high as a kite after 10 hours. Also i have never nodded out in my life. i came close when i ived for the first time but never a full blown nod.

[taj]

like i said, if you want to defeat the time release, just grind up into a fine powder

actually that's not entirely true, at least for avinzas, Some of the beads when you crush them defeats the time release, but not all.. it's how they make them.. with some ir beads, and some er beads..
therefor that's why people crisp, to defeat the other portion of the time release beads..

http://www.avinza.com/pdf/ELN0015-A_Avinza_Master_PI_D1.pdf

^^^ read the first sentance in the paragraph that starts under the warning

[Narkotikon]

Since you mentioned Kadian specifically (which happens to my preferred morphine pill by the way), it's basically this. It's really easy:

1. Take your Kadian pill or pills, empty the bead contents of the capsules into one of those twist-n-crush pill crushers, like the kind they sell at pharmacies. I bought a good one at Wal-Mart a long time ago. Heavy / sturdy plastic with a nice, big, Tuperware-like bright blue top.

2. Twist and crush your pills a few times. I prefer to do it only once or twice at most, because I purposefully want bigger pieces of the beads (I'll tell why a little bit later).

3. Take your rig and fill up with however much water you need. Add said water into the pill crusher with the powdered morphine AND beads.

4. Use top of rig / plastic cap to swish mixture around mixing thoroughly. Then kind of swirl it around like you're panning for gold. Helps to tip it from side to side. Eventually all of the large bead parts will settle onto one side.

5. Throw your cotton into the liquid side of the water mixture, leaving most--if not all--of the bead fragments on the other side. Don't worry if a few bead fragments get too close or on the cotton. Just make sure the cotton is tight enough so bead fragments won't interfere with drawing up the liquid.

6. After done drawing up liquid, prep and shoot.

Like others have said, DO NOT throw away the bead fragments. You can do a second rinse and get a decent shot out of that for later or for when you're sick. Also, you can use coffee filters to filter out the bead particles and that, but I've never seen the need to do that. I've always done it the way as described above.

And yes, some pills, like Avinzas, have some additional time-release mechanism like Taj was talking about. That's why people crisp.

The reason for why I like Kadian the best to shoot is because you don't have to crisp. I mean, I guess you could, but I don't see the point. The morphine is in the little balls, and to my knowledge, not made as part of the balls themselves. If the balls were part morphine, which I don't know, maybe they are and I just don't know it, then yes, crisping would get more out of it. But, as far as I know, Kadian has all the morphine inside the balls, so crisping isn't necessary.

Again, that's why I like them the best for IV. People say they suck for pain relief, like if you were to just swallow the pill, but personally I LOVE THEM for IV use.

[paroxetina]

paroxetina Its weird how drugs effect people in a complete oppisote way. For me when i take morphine i get the exact oppisite effect, i get a huge rush of energery, i get really hungry and i could clean my house for 10 hours straight, and still be fucking high as a kite after 10 hours. Also i have never nodded out in my life. i came close when i ived for the first time but never a full blown nod.

See, that's the effect I'm going for, and I get it from hydro, oxy, dilaudid (in that order) but not certain other opiates, like morphine, fent, or opana.

The same medication absolutely effects different people in different ways, that's for sure.