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oneironaut
12-18-2009, 08:45 PM
this happened to my friend, i'd say about a month ago. he was supposed to have a bag waiting for me too, but he called early in the morning in quite a panic... 'i accidently shot over 50 units of isopropyl...'

he kept his steril water and iso in common containers, woke up sick as hell and without paying enough attention mixed the wrong solution in with the tar on the spoon. he said he noticed as soon as he started pushing, but with the dope being as good as it was, couldn't help but keep pushing. got a rush, but then his stomache hurt quite bad, and he said he could feel the burn moving through his veins. i couldn't imagine...

after he called i checked online and found no other cases... was wondering if anyone else has ever done such a thing that you know of, and how the outcome was.

oh, and what happened to my bag? also isopropyl... got spilled all over it

More Feen
12-18-2009, 09:39 PM
One of the dangers of non-ethanol alcohols is that enzymes will convert them to *-aldehydes.

For ethanol, a 2-carbon alcohol, this makes Acetaldehyde (a 2-carbon-aldehyde), which has narcotic properties, and is acted upon by other enzymes.

For wood alcohol, methanol, a one-carbon alcohol, the same enzyme creates Formaldehyde (a one-carbon -aldehyde), as in the stuff that is pumped into cadevers. Drinking small amounts of this can cause blindness by killing the "weak" cells of the retina. Drink a little more, and it will kill the brain, and the person.

For Isopropyl alcohol, a 3-carbon alcohol, with the "-OH" group attached to the middle carbon (carbon #2), I don't know how one's body Alcohol dehydrogenase will act upon it. Maybe the -OH group has to be on a terminal end for this enzyme to work, but I'm not sure.

Just read on Wiki that alcohol dehydrogenase converts isopropyl alcohol to ACETONE, this is not good news.

Toxicology
Isopropyl alcohol is oxidized by the liver into acetone (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acetone) by alcohol dehydrogenase (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcohol_dehydrogenase). Symptoms (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Symptom) of isopropyl alcohol poisoning include flushing (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flushing_(physiology)), headache (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Headache), dizziness (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dizziness), CNS depression (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CNS_depression), nausea (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nausea), vomiting (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vomiting), anesthesia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anesthesia), and coma (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coma). Use in well-ventilated areas and use protective gloves while using. Poisoning can occur from ingestion, inhalation, or absorption.
Isopropyl alcohol is about twice as toxic as ethanol (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethanol), and acts as a central nervous system (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_nervous_system) (CNS) depressant (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Depressant). Its metabolite, acetone (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acetone), is a CNS depressant in its own right. Around 15 g of isopropanol can have a toxic effect on a 70 kg human if left untreated. However, it is not nearly as toxic as methanol or ethylene glycol (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethylene_glycol).[8] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isopropyl_alcohol#cite_note-7) Isopropyl alcohol does not cause an anion gap acidosis (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anion_gap_acidosis) (in which as lowered blood serum pH causes depletion of bicarbonate (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bicarbonate) anion) as do ethanol (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethanol) and methanol (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methanol). Isopropyl alcohol does, however, produce an osmolal gap (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osmolal_gap) between the calculated and measured osmolalities of serum, as do the other alcohols. Overdoses may cause a fruity odor on the breath as a result of its metabolism to acetone (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acetone), which is not further metabolized.[9] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isopropyl_alcohol#cite_note-8)


Things could be worse.

50 units is about half a mL--right? So if it was water, it would weigh 500mg, or half a gram, give or take. The article says that 15g will have a toxic effect (probably by drinking it, not injecting it). He might survive without going to hospital, but shit like this can be averted, easily.

Remember, label your containers: (foods, liquids, fertilizers, injectibles, paint thinner, etc....)

M F

oneironaut
12-18-2009, 09:45 PM
damn i didn't know it was worse than ethanol... i knew that methanol could make you go blind very easily, but all that other info is new to me. this is good, thanks-- and he's been much more careful since then... was a pretty scary morning... i keep my iso in its origional container.

OverDriven
12-18-2009, 10:39 PM
He'll probably be fine, but his breath is going to absolutely wreak of acetone. Some people actually abuse iso (drink it). It does metabolize into acetone. It's bad for you, but not nearly as bad as something like methanol.

GimpLeg
12-19-2009, 01:14 AM
according to the posts above mine, it sounds like he'll be fine.

and for your bag, I think letting it sit out and the alcohol evaporate (which shouldn't take long, especially if it was one of the 90+%ers) would leave it alright.

but yeah, who keeps iso out of the original container? making these little "kits" which I'm guessing he did, can be scary like this because of what happened here.

by kits, I mean having all the things in a convenient tote. (usually the ones I've seen have q tip ends cut off, a rig or two, spoon, iso, water) I'm gonna further guess and say that he had the iso in a different container because it was part of the kit, and that it was for cleaning his injection site. if this is the case, you can get alcohol wipes which might prevent this in the future.

oneironaut
12-19-2009, 12:06 PM
yea another friend of mine has a 'kit'. water and alc are different colors.
but the dude i was originally speaking of is fine, it happened a while ago. i was just
wondering if anyone else has, or has heard of, anyone doing the same.

thanks for all the info, i forgot i think it was powder at the time not tar.
should that have also been fine after the iso evaporated? if so...

The_Highwayman
12-19-2009, 02:10 PM
No offense but no matter how sick I have been, and I have been in that position where I was sick as hell ferociously prepping a shot I never ever mixed it wrong, but More Feen forgot mote about chemistry than I'll ever know, so I would trust his input

30_Units
12-19-2009, 02:23 PM
Keep your alcohol on pads. Easily averted.

Sucks to be dude. A rig not properly rinsed out after bleaching immediately made me stop after starting to push off. Gave me a crazy histamine reaction all up my arm. He had better dedication than I. Ugh. =/

(hopefully) live and learn.

abner
12-19-2009, 02:28 PM
one time i accidentally shot hydrogen peroxide. now that was one sticky situation.

D Man
12-19-2009, 06:19 PM
I suspect your bag went into his arm, as well, Oneironoaut. If he pushed 50 units of isopropanol without much ill effect, then it doesn't seem to me like he would have just shit canned your bag because it became tainted with iso. And what was your bag doing out in the open that spilling iso on it would have completely saturated it, anyway? Also, I'm sure he must have realized that the iso would have simply evaporated if left in the open. I smell something akin to methane gas going on here...

oneironaut
12-19-2009, 06:25 PM
well i aint mad at him. as long as i get my bag wednesday.

but even if not... it'll come. it'll come.

i don't know why i didn't think about just letting it evaporate when he called.

must've been the panic.

clinton
12-19-2009, 06:33 PM
No but it sOunds very fucking painful

SeVeN
12-19-2009, 07:30 PM
One time I shot selsa water thinking it was normal water. Dumb-ass.

Indy
12-19-2009, 07:42 PM
It's definitely toxic but believe it or not isopropyl is not nearly as toxic as methanol.

Grumpy_Eel
12-19-2009, 08:28 PM
I used to regularly use rubbing alcohol to shoot fent patches. I always used a solution of 30% iso/ 70 water. My best friend currently uses alcohol with his morphine. Says it works better.

I never suffered any ill effects, but thats just my personal experience. It really burns if you use much more then a third of alcohol.

Fat Pie
12-19-2009, 09:09 PM
Ages ago I tended to use disposable isopropyl alcohol wipes to clean my arm before an injection, and although I was never at risk of injecting the stuff because there was so little of it in a packet. It was basically just a piece of medicinal cloth soaked in enough isopropyl to moisten your arm after a few wipes, which would kill any bacteria on the surface of your skin before it dried out and could be disposed of. However, I still had my reasons for disliking the isopropyl alcohol wipes. Firstly, the smell of the stuff coming fresh out of the packet was retch-inducing, like pulling out Doctor Thompson's ether-soaked rag which was torn from an American flag in Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas!

Secondly, if you were to inject into an area of skin that was moist with isopropyl alcohol just after having been wiped, or to try cleaning up a freshly-made needle wound that was bleeding, the sensation would be similar to if, instead of isopropyl alcohol, you had been rubbing salt water onto your skin; in short, it would be quite painful. Two things you definitely do not want to have come into contact with a cut in your skin are salt (which I'm sure most of you have experienced, like me, or at least heard about) and purified alcohol (isopropyl included), because the stinging sensation is incredibly painful (unsurprisingly, owing to the pain that salt and alcoholic spirits caused when they came into contact with lacerations in the skin, they were used as punishments for sailors and slaves in the 18th and 19th centuries; the victim would be lashed with a whip, and then either salt water, sea water or spirits would be rubbed into the wounds). There is even a warning on each disposable package of isopropyl alcohol rubbing pads regarding the pain that it can cause when it comes into contact with an open wound: the sachets instruction section advises letting the liquid dry on the arm before injecting, which will obviously minimize any pain issues.

Third and lastly, it came to my attention that apparently washing your hands with soap and warm water is more effective at killing bacteria than alcohol wipes, which can be used, but soap is better (can't remember where this info came from). That was the final nail in the coffin for isopropyl alcohol wipes for me. They smelled terrible, stung horribly if they came into contact with my wounds (either through me trying to inject into a part of my skin that was already dampened with the stuff, or through trying to wipe clean areas of my skin that were bleeding), and were apparently not as effective in killing bacteria as soap. Soap allowed me to wash my skin with warm water, which soothed and relaxed my muscles, allowing my veins to become more visible (and therefore easier to hit with a needle). The soap was not only a great way to kill bacteria, but also a smooth lather that I could combine with warm water to get rid of any dried blood or scabs.

As a bonus, I had begun to inject properly into the veins in my hands, wrists and lower arms, as opposed to the crooks of my arms, which were badly scarred and infected (thus being useless to inject into). Washing my hands with soap now gave me the opportunity to thoroughly clean the areas I injected into on a regular basis (I regularly wash my hands with soap; another routine I perform thanks to Obsessive-Compulsive Disorder), meaning I never get infections of any kind these days. I had been starting to use isopropyl alcohol wipes less and less for a while before I abandoned them, often choosing not to bother with them in most circumstances, since my inner arms always seemed to get infected or already be infected anyway.

My switch to properly injecting into the veins around my lower arm and washing my hands with warm water and soap was the death-knell for the isopropyl alcohol wipes, so I threw any I had left away, while successive orders of supplies for injection equipment were left absent of the wipes. I knew that shooting the stuff itself wouldn't be a very healthy move, and I'm sorry to hear that your friend got sick after accidentally injecting the stuff (to be honest, I didn't know you could buy containers of isopropyl alcohol liquid). That's just another reason to consign the stuff to the sin bin, and use good ole' fashioned kitchen/toilet sink soap, accompanied by lashings of lovely warm water from the tap. There's nothing else like it! Ah, bliss...

More Feen
12-19-2009, 09:40 PM
No offense but no matter how sick I have been, and I have been in that position where I was sick as hell ferociously prepping a shot I never ever mixed it wrong, but More Feen forgot more about chemistry than I'll ever know, so I would trust his input

Thanks Highway-M for the complement, but I rely/use sites like Wikipedia to get or check my answers.

Wiki & other such sites aren't always the greatest sources, but usually okay.

Regarding shooting something that wasn't intended, it happens because people & equipment aren't perfect. Given enough time & enough attempts, mistakes will always find a way in.

Accepting this logic causes us to double-check & triple-check things to reduce the likelihood of fucking-up. I would have imagined slamming Isopropanol would have killed him, before reading the Wiki-article.

M F

Woody Bear
12-20-2009, 07:19 PM
Third and lastly, it came to my attention that apparently washing your hands with soap and warm water is more effective at killing bacteria than alcohol wipes, which can be used, but soap is better (can't remember where this info came from).
Washing hands with soap doesn't kill bacteria, but it does wash them away. Alcohol kills bacteria, but it doesn't remove bacteria from your skin. It's best to do both, or at least one, but if you have to choose, wash your hands as it's more effective then the alcohol wipes.

The reason is that if you wash your hands and injection site, then you'll remove most of the bacteria. But if you just use the alcohol wipes, you'll only kill a small amount of the bacteria on your arm. So sure you'll kill it on the injection site, but if you touch the injection site with your fingers, you'll transfer loads of bacteria to the spot. And if you don't make it in one hit, then you might have to try another spot that hasn't been wiped.

So Fat Pie is absolutely right in that washing your hands is better than using alcohol swabs, as by removing bacteria as much as possible, when you wash your hands, then even if you accidentally touch the injection site, you won't transfer much bacteria to it.

taj
12-20-2009, 07:47 PM
I suspect your bag went into his arm, as well, Oneironoaut. If he pushed 50 units of isopropanol without much ill effect, then it doesn't seem to me like he would have just shit canned your bag because it became tainted with iso. And what was your bag doing out in the open that spilling iso on it would have completely saturated it, anyway? Also, I'm sure he must have realized that the iso would have simply evaporated if left in the open. I smell something akin to methane gas going on here...

+1

first thing I thought of when you said the bag got "ruined" was that he just did that one too. May have thought that since he screwed up that first bag by shooting it w/ rubbing alcohol, he decided to shoot yours too, this time properly. Especially since he realized it was some good shit, and he may get an even better shot the second time around, with out the rubbing alcohol.

Good luck, I really do hope he pays you back when he says he's gonna..




I used to regularly use rubbing alcohol to shoot fent patches. I always used a solution of 30% iso/ 70 water. My best friend currently uses alcohol with his morphine. Says it works better.

I never suffered any ill effects, but thats just my personal experience. It really burns if you use much more then a third of alcohol.

idk dude. I know you said you and your friend haven't had any problems using rubbing alcohol(even though it's mixed with water) in your shots. However, I just want to say, for the sake of HR, that this just sounds like a really bad idea..

Fat Pie
12-22-2009, 09:35 PM
Washing hands with soap doesn't kill bacteria, but it does wash them away. Alcohol kills bacteria, but it doesn't remove bacteria from your skin. It's best to do both, or at least one, but if you have to choose, wash your hands as it's more effective then the alcohol wipes.

The reason is that if you wash your hands and injection site, then you'll remove most of the bacteria. But if you just use the alcohol wipes, you'll only kill a small amount of the bacteria on your arm. So sure you'll kill it on the injection site, but if you touch the injection site with your fingers, you'll transfer loads of bacteria to the spot. And if you don't make it in one hit, then you might have to try another spot that hasn't been wiped.

So Fat Pie is absolutely right in that washing your hands is better than using alcohol swabs, as by removing bacteria as much as possible, when you wash your hands, then even if you accidentally touch the injection site, you won't transfer much bacteria to it.

Yeah, sorry, you're right. You'd need something much more powerful to actually kill bacteria, like bleach, but that would be powerful enough to burn your hands!

Tainted
12-23-2009, 09:32 AM
My ex called me up once to ask me about shooting benzos. Her boyfriend told her she co uld use isopropyl instead of water to get the benzo into the solution and successfully shoot it. His dumbass got ethanol and isopropyl mixed up ( I believe you can safely use ethanol IV, it will ravage your veins, but the alcohol absorbs directly into the bloodstream via your stomach so the effect of IVing it isn't a whole lot different, I could be wrong though this is just an untested unsubstaniated theory)

Anyways, I told her that her boyfriend is a dumbass, but she thought I was just jealous or something, and went ahead and did it anyways.

Sure enough, she got really really ill shortly after, and it lasted a good 24 hours she was throwing up and just not well at all. She's fine now, but IVing isopropyl is definitely not a fun time.

after that she always called me before acting on her boyfriends advise.

GimpLeg
12-23-2009, 12:34 PM
why do people insist on trying to IV benzos. they work just as good orally. the only one I could see that'd be good to IV is Valium, maybe ativan, but I don't like lorazepam.

Woody Bear
12-23-2009, 01:12 PM
When my mom went into labor prematurely, she was given an ethanol IV as that was standard practice at the time to prevent premature births. So ethanol can be given IV, but it's a lot different giving it in a IV fluid bag diluted in saline, then concentrated in a syringe. As if the alcohol concentration is too high, it will damage your veins.

Also about the alcohol passing straight through the stomach wall thing, I read that if the alcohol is 20%, then it can do this, but 40% alcohol shocks your stomach, and this slows absorption. So people get drunk faster drinking fortified wines like sherry, then they do drinking neat vodka or whiskey.

Chipper
12-24-2009, 09:04 AM
I have shot methamphetamine freebase+contaminants+isopropyl (I later found out that some idiot "cut" the meth ... this was in liquid form).

Man, I have never puked so much nor felt so sick.

NY Hippie
12-26-2009, 02:31 PM
why do people insist on trying to IV benzos. they work just as good orally. the only one I could see that'd be good to IV is Valium, maybe ativan, but I don't like lorazepam.

For the same reason why people insist on IVing oxycodone. It works nearly just as good orally, but people are looking for a rush.

I've never accidentally shot isopropyl alcohol before, but I've shot ethanol on purpose a number of times. The first time I did it with 50 units of vodka (40% ethanol) and 50 units of water so I could shoot some diazepam or alprazolam (I forget which), and I liked the alcohol rush so after that I occasionally put 20-30 units of vodka in with my opiate shots. However, after that first time I used much high proof vodka (90%) because I figured since there was much more alcohol by volume that there would be less impurities, and since it was a higher proof and I only had to use 10 units as compared to 20-30 units of 40% alcohol vodka, so there would be even less impurities in the mix.

I'm sure it's not good for your veins, so I only do it when I'm really low on opiates to give them a little boost, but the only percievable side-effect I experienced was a burning at the injection site.

Opiofreq
12-26-2009, 04:23 PM
I knew some crazy fucking rednecks in Texas that would shoot Everclear( 190 proof grain alcohol)

Unbelievabley insane IMO.

Tainted
12-27-2009, 11:33 AM
I knew some crazy fucking rednecks in Texas that would shoot Everclear( 190 proof grain alcohol)

Unbelievabley insane IMO.


I don't think shooting ethanol is that dangerous. It's not good for your veins, but alcohol is absorbed directly into your bloodstream thru the lining in your stomach, so shooting it isn't TOO much worse.

harmonik
12-28-2009, 01:07 AM
I used it to shoot temazepam.. Probably .5cc worth each time.. done it maybe 2-3 times the past few months when I've ran out of OC..
I never felt anything bad from it.. just a fast way to get a benzo buzz IMO.

30_Units
12-28-2009, 07:47 AM
Non-diluted alcohol KILLS the cells it comes into contact with before diluting-do not bang. Your stomach is already nice and diluted.

It does this by dehydration. Alcohol is very hygroscopic-it absorbs water-even pulling it out of the air-and pulling the water out of cells=dead cells.

You may not see much happening on the surface, but if you get a bunch of dead blood cells floating downstream, this could cause some problems down the river, in the kidneys or liver-and if your function isn't good-we all know how people with compromised systems react to things that wouldn't kill the healthy...

...it's just a bad idea...

If you don't think pure ethanol is dangerous to your person, hold a shot of PGA or everyclear in your mouth as long as you can. If you can stand it, you'll notice your mouth don't feel so nice afterwards-and you'll prolly have some lesions form. Now, I haven't hung out in my venous system much, but I'd be willing to bet my mouth is more durable than the inside walls of my blood vessels.

HistoryofMadness
12-28-2009, 09:18 AM
d00d that's fucked up! i know a guy that would boost with toilet water in quick shops when we were on the road. he didn't give a fuck about shit. he's dead now.

just be careful.

i've shot in some pretty shady places, including at a red light with a cop sitting next to me (which i didn't know until after i'd shot) but i've always used water...

odd
12-28-2009, 02:05 PM
For the same reason why people insist on IVing oxycodone. It works nearly just as good orally, but people are looking for a rush.

I've never accidentally shot isopropyl alcohol before, but I've shot ethanol on purpose a number of times. The first time I did it with 50 units of vodka (40% ethanol) and 50 units of water so I could shoot some diazepam or alprazolam (I forget which), and I liked the alcohol rush so after that I occasionally put 20-30 units of vodka in with my opiate shots. However, after that first time I used much high proof vodka (90%) because I figured since there was much more alcohol by volume that there would be less impurities, and since it was a higher proof and I only had to use 10 units as compared to 20-30 units of 40% alcohol vodka, so there would be even less impurities in the mix.

I'm sure it's not good for your veins, so I only do it when I'm really low on opiates to give them a little boost, but the only percievable side-effect I experienced was a burning at the injection site.

I have shot pure MDMA and vodka once. The rush was pretty crazy and so was I at the time. I don't think I could ever shoot booze again.

harmonik
12-28-2009, 04:59 PM
Is MDMA hydrophobic? I'm really too lazy to look it up, but that might explain why I didn't feel that shot of molly I tried..

I suspect it might have been methalone as you can't really find powdered molly like that, even in the connect which was a state over.. but eh... I snorted a decent sized inch by 1/4 inch line and was flying pretty good. I put half that in a cooker and felt nada..

Woody Bear
12-28-2009, 08:42 PM
The MDMA pills and powder sold on the street is MDMA hydrochloride. MDMA freebase is an oil, so that's why it's sold in it's hydrochloride salt form which is very water soluble.

I knew a guy from another website who got addicted to shooting MDMA, he kept having seizures from it, but still did it. In the end he had to swear it off and not touch it again. He said that he found it more addictive that crack or meth.

So if you didn't get anything from shooting "MDMA", what you were shooting wasn't MDMA, even a little bit you should have felt, but if you got nothing, it was either bunk, or a totally different chemical instead.

Funkit
01-06-2010, 09:12 PM
why do people insist on trying to IV benzos. they work just as good orally. the only one I could see that'd be good to IV is Valium, maybe ativan, but I don't like lorazepam.


Instant rush of stupidity.