MySpace?

[bi11i]

Anyone interested in a MySpace ID profile field to be displayed in their postbit? (Much like the weblog and location field?)

Would be completely optional...

[alowishus]

Ya know when you go to ride the roller coaster and there's a sign that says you have to be so high, well it's the other way around at myspace, I'm too old for the stuff so "I don't care".

I'm sure the youngins will be into it though:p :D

[bi11i]

Personally, I'm somewhat in agreement, however also a great place to send/receive messages, etc.

[slugbone]

Ya know when you go to ride the roller coaster and there's a sign that says you have to be so high, well it's the other way around at myspace, I'm too old for the stuff so "I don't care".

I'm sure the youngins will be into it though:p :D

i'm with alowishus, me too old for that shyte but all the young folks i know loooooove that site and i've been on it once not too bad and would be cool to have a look at some folks interests and such...it'll help build our forum's popularity among the younger users for sure

[ZodiacKiller]

I gotta vote 'no' on this one, if what you're talking about is linking members' Myspage pages to this site, or vice-versa. I think it would compromise anonymity; I have a personal Myspage page, and one that I manage for our band, and I've given the URLs to a few people from here that have requested it via PM, but those have been members that I basically trust. And most have just wanted to know what band it is, as I mention it sometimes in my posts.

I guess I'm not sure what kind of page you had in mind...


ZK

[insanesteveo]

I gotta vote 'no' on this one, if what you're talking about is linking members' Myspage pages to this site, or vice-versa. I think it would compromise anonymity; I have a personal Myspage page, and one that I manage for our band, and I've given the URLs to a few people from here that have requested it via PM, but those have been members that I basically trust. And most have just wanted to know what band it is, as I mention it sometimes in my posts.

I guess I'm not sure what kind of page you had in mind...


ZK

this is exactly what i was thinking ZK. i have a myspace, all my friends do, my friends bands have them. i am probably addicted to that site also. but i put WAY more information about myself on there, and i wouldnt want alot of people from here readin that.
great idea though.

[alowishus]

I gotta vote 'no' on this one, if what you're talking about is linking members' Myspage pages to this site, or vice-versa. I think it would compromise anonymity; I have a personal Myspage page, and one that I manage for our band, and I've given the URLs to a few people from here that have requested it via PM, but those have been members that I basically trust. And most have just wanted to know what band it is, as I mention it sometimes in my posts.

I guess I'm not sure what kind of page you had in mind...


ZK

I thought about that too ZK, if I had a page there I sure as hell would want the link between the two -

Here's my bio and pic and everything about my life =link= here's what drugs I do, think about doing, want to do, wish I could do, have done in my spare time, what do you think about that?

Of course I jest, I've never done any drugs, but I've been in the same room w/ people that have....:drool:


"Would be completely optional..." so people don't have to link, it could bring more traffic, could bring more unwanted traffic, it's hard to say.

Edited to say " I'm too freakin slow a typer."

[Phluck]

I think it's a decent idea. I have a myspace profile... but I don't think I'd actually put it up here. I'd rather keep the two things separate.

There are a lot of younger people who use myspace, but it's still a great site, and all kinds of people have profiles there. It has many facets. I often hear people scoffing at it, but that happens with anything popular. Once something becomes really big there's always a bunch of people who put it down. Nothing makes you feel cooler than acting like you're better than the coolest things around.

But it's become a really big site, and a lot of people use their myspace page as their homebase of communication, so I think it's a good idea.

[northernstar]

I think it's a decent idea. I have a myspace profile... but I don't think I'd actually put it up here. I'd rather keep the two things separate.

There are a lot of younger people who use myspace, but it's still a great site, and all kinds of people have profiles there. It has many facets. I often hear people scoffing at it, but that happens with anything popular. Once something becomes really big there's always a bunch of people who put it down. Nothing makes you feel cooler than acting like you're better than the coolest things around.

But it's become a really big site, and a lot of people use their myspace page as their homebase of communication, so I think it's a good idea.

would it work by linking the email we used for this site to our myspace profile email?
that should be optional. we should controll it so we can choose a alternate profile to link to this, not our main one.....

would it work by linking the email we used for this site to our myspace profile email?
that should be optional. we should controll it so we can choose a alternate profile to link to this, not our main one.....

plus the email i entered for tghis site would link to blank profile anyhow, not a good one.
it would be good for networking tho.....

[Opiyum]

What is Myspace?

[alowishus]

What is Myspace?


That's the funniest thing you've ever said/typed

[slugbone]

What is Myspace?

my space, your space, it's all the same just stay away from my drugs goddammit!

[Opiyum]

Have I mentioned that I enjoy the use of drugs...I dont know if I ever told anyone here about that side of myself. Yep. Fan o' drugs. Thats me.

I feel dirty I need a shower.

[vanilla_mlkshake2007]

thats what I am worried about .With just Opiophile I feel more secure in my privacy.I on the other hand have a 19 year old who is a computer whiz and because we are not getting along at all at this time I would be scared she would come across MYSPACE and be able to identify me and therefore would cause alot of trouble for me.I just feel secure in the privacy of opiophile.It's not something she is likely to go poking around in,where as MySpace she may well find me and my posts which could cause alot of trouble.Just being honest.Thanks for asking though!

[Curio]

I feel the same way about keeping myspace and "this space" separate/anonymous, lol...
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y256/JaeBond007/myspaceproblem8mr8uo.jpg

[poonwhalla]

http://myspaceisgay.com/

funny link about myspace

[Opiyum]

I feel the same way about keeping myspace and "this space" separate/anonymous, lol...
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y256/JaeBond007/myspaceproblem8mr8uo.jpg

Tell me this is a joke you created Coma...please do so

[Curio]

I couldn't take credit for creating something with so many spelling and grammatical errors....but I'll take credit for DISTRIBUTING IT!!

lol..:o

[skeletontea]

I do have a myspace profile (which I rarely use). Nonetheless I wouldn't link it here, because, as others have mentioned of their own pages, I have a lot more personal info on my myspace page.

[devilsdrug]

just because the grandkids spend hrs and hrs on it i hav to be aganst it boy do they tell lyes on there, course i told somebody on there to go fuk themself and then there dad saw it and went to the school and told principle bla bla bla so i of course told that dad what he could do wantabe fukkin cop dick my grandson wasnt too happy with me either shit it seemed like the little girl was stalkin him ,she was really , ah i guess i fukked up , heh they dont leave the computer all clogged up with shit anymore

[vanilla_mlkshake2007]

I thought about that too ZK, if I had a page there I sure as hell would want the link between the two -

Here's my bio and pic and everything about my life =link= here's what drugs I do, think about doing, want to do, wish I could do, have done in my spare time, what do you think about that?

Of course I jest, I've never done any drugs, but I've been in the same room w/ people that have....:drool:


"Would be completely optional..." so people don't have to link, it could bring more traffic, could bring more unwanted traffic, it's hard to say.

Edited to say " I'm too freakin slow a typer."

Exactly the way I was thinking everything about my life =link=here's what drugs I like to do.I really don't think that is a way I would want to be presented.Not that I care about Yahoo but I have a seperate account with nothing about drugs mentioned and a picture.Not that I am ashamed of it.I mean I have given certain people here my yahoo link but that is sonething I would much rather have a say in whether I do it or not.I think certain people I talked to in the past on yahoo would have never added me to there friends list had they knew I was a junky.This place is just hmmmmmmm just alot more homey for me!!!!! And I would prefer it to stay that way.

[blackdog]

most of u are saying you wouldnt want ta use it but other then that its a good idea????????

da/dawgg:rolleyes:

[Paregoric Kid]

it's a good idea. I wouldn't put my URL in there though.

[caesee]

I gotta vote 'no' on this one, if what you're talking about is linking members' Myspage pages to this site, or vice-versa. I think it would compromise anonymity; I have a personal Myspage page, and one that I manage for our band, and I've given the URLs to a few people from here that have requested it via PM, but those have been members that I basically trust. And most have just wanted to know what band it is, as I mention it sometimes in my posts.

I guess I'm not sure what kind of page you had in mind...


ZK

i agree with ZK. Anonyminty is the key, even though alot of info is out there, still there is the great "plaseable denyability" key words that can be used, just like many presidents have used..I have a myspace page (urghh not proud of it.;) ) which has allowed me to re-connect with allot of freinds that i lost touch with over the years...hehe I gotts to meet up with some ex's and girls I knew back in the day and get me some lovin, lol....and for the most part my love with opaites and most drugs execpt for cannibis which everyone I know, nows I am a daily, hourly, all day smoker and have been for many years, hell my entire family knows..(i am the only drug user in my family) and need to that private and as many other do I have one hushmail account that is listed for the forums and other sites, and a completely private email for myspace and others...:rolleyes:

[mort]

I'd have to say no, at a personal level, because I have been more frank about usage/preference on this board than I'd really like to have broadcast - to my sisters, co-workers, etc. (who are among my my-space "buddies").

It sounds nice, but I am pretty sure that I {c,w}ouldn't use it - if myspace, then why not friendster or orkut?

[shaunclo]

I would have to also so nay to this suggestion, I am not the biggest fan of SWIM and a lot of the stuff I squirt outta here would get me in a lot of trouble.

[bi11i]

mixed reviews here. so i should've rephrased the poll - is most everyone against having the field period? If even completely optional?

[red26]

I think having the option to link the two on the personal leval is a good idea. In all honesty I dont mind if people from here read about me there and see what I look like. There are quite a few good things for us drug users the on myspace like Harm Reduction. I've been a member of that group since I sighned up on myspace and have learned quite a bit about I.V. using that I previously had'nt.
It seems that annanymoty(spelling) is a very important factor to the majority of us here on the o-phile and I completly respect and understand that. Wich is why I think if it were possible to have it as an option would be the key here Bi11i.
Me personally, I spen the majority of my time finding and talkin with bands from all over the world. It's just a really cool thing to do i my opinion man. And trust me, theres plenty of drug groups in there, some are complete horseshit, others are really good and informative, even supportive at times.

[alowishus]

Ya know now that I think more about it, I don't think it's a good thing. Think about the the bad press myspace has gotten just in the last yr.

Now if by some chance, little Timmy who had the world in his hand (along w/ mommies trust fund) died last night from a drug overdose; he had a myspace site, which is where he met the people that he got the drugs from, and linked to another site, which he spent alot of time at learning about the use and prep of drugs, this site is mostly if not always frequented by people that are drug addicts.

I know; "para-noina will destroy ya" but do you see what I'm saying they have been vilifying myspace for a while, if a kids does something wrong and has a myspace page, it's moved from the back page to the front page and if this site which we all love were to get into the delima, I dare say it would be like all the other sites I hear people on here talking about coming from, "well it's down now but it was a great site for drug info...."

[chemboy7]

Ya know now that I think more about it, I don't think it's a good thing. Think about the the bad press myspace has gotten just in the last yr.

Now if by some chance, little Timmy who had the world in his hand (along w/ mommies trust fund) died lastnight from a drug overdose; he had a myspace site, which is where he met the people that he got the drugs from, and linked to another site, which he spent alot of time at learning about the use and prep of drugs, this site is mostly if not always frequented by people thata are drug addicts.

I know; "para-noina will destroy ya" but do you see what I'm saying they have been vilifying myspace for a while, if a kids does something wrong and has a myspace page, it's moved from the back page to the front page and if this site which we all love were to get into the delima, I dare say it would be like all the other sites I hear people on here talking about coming from, "well it's down now but it was a great site for drug info...."

Yeah, I want to change my vote from "don't care" to "hell no". Besides Alowishus' point, which is a good one, it seems like an open door for members to incriminate themselves.

[devilsdrug]

my space sucks big weiners and i dont mean oscar myer

[SpecialGuy69]

I think everyone here is missing the point- correct me if I'm wrong, bi11i, but it would be a one-way type thing, from opio to myspace, and not the other way around. So there would be nothing on your Myspace saying that you are an opiophile member. If this is the case, I support it. There would be no more exposure of your opio screen name and posts than there already is.

I like to see what people look like, especially the people I talk with on the boards regularly. So, I think it would be cool. I was actually thinking about putting up a second myspace account just for the purpose of linking to it from my opiophile profile.

[Papa Suspensum]

I'm with Alowishus. Let myspace be myspace and opiophile be just what it is.:rolleyes: Myspace is okay, i had a page at one time, but it is full of immaturity and bad press as well. Nuff said.

[SpecialGuy69]

What's up with this thread? I posted a reply and it had to be approved by a mod- I can post in other threads so it's not me. It doesn't look like there's any real hardcore flaming goin on or anything. Weird.

[poonwhalla]

you know myspace is a great place for people to "network" other then that what ever you do is your own. I am on there for the music I play to get exposure if you want to incriminate your self YOU WILL no matta where you are. If your pissed about Myspace its like saying weed is the gateway when we all know its tobacco or your mother!! fuckers

[poonwhalla]

myspace is a great place to "network" Shit I am on there unadvertised maybe just to see if anyone likes myt music. If you took a pole I bet half the members would be bullshiting and saying "nah I don't have a myspace page" shit I can send pics for free to my grandma there without her knowing what I do/ by the way my grandma would look at me like i go t 2 heads

[SpecialGuy69]

I wrote a post to this thread a few days ago and it never showed up. Is this thread closed or something?

[kyuss]

my space sucks big weiners and i dont mean oscar myer


dd
is right

What's next?
a tiger beat magazine
for opiophiles?

[oxymoron]

I have a myspace account, but I feel no need for that part of my life to know about this part of my life, if that makes any sense?

[oxymoron]

I have a my space account, and have a FEW good friends, but none of the folks on there know about this part of my life, and I'd prefer to keep it that way:)

[robojunkie]

Exactly the way I was thinking everything about my life =link=here's what drugs I like to do.I really don't think that is a way I would want to be presented.Not that I care about Yahoo but I have a seperate account with nothing about drugs mentioned and a picture.Not that I am ashamed of it.I mean I have given certain people here my yahoo link but that is sonething I would much rather have a say in whether I do it or not.I think certain people I talked to in the past on yahoo would have never added me to there friends list had they knew I was a junky.This place is just hmmmmmmm just alot more homey for me!!!!! And I would prefer it to stay that way.

Exactly, I can't have people easily identify me through my space. For some people this would be cool, I've visited some, but I wouldn't want mine linked as that is linked to so much else. Nor would I put my referral for o-phile there (despite the fact that I want a t-shirt, when I get arond to it I'll send in the check). Same thing on linking directly too. I don't have a problem PMing/IMing certain people that I think I sort of know around here (whether they know me as much though is probably a different story). I don't know, most junkies and ex-junkies have to live in the closet unless they got money, power, tenure, etc. where they can't be fucked with.

[AWOL]

my space sucks big weiners and i dont mean oscar myer

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

points. DD:1 Myspace:0

[kidding]

opiophile could have a myspace... but that would get it a lot of attention, some of it maybe unwanted, and reduce the anonymity.

anyway, we can just put our myspace URLs in the home page part or in the bio as it is.

[Tmac5150]

I am so new, I kinda don't feel like I should have a vote in it, but I would have to say no too. If some kid happened to OD & die(god forbid) & they got into his pc & found he had been visiting this site, it would not be a good thing for this great site...

[bi11i]

I am so new, I kinda don't feel like I should have a vote in it, but I would have to say no too. If some kid happened to OD & die(god forbid) & they got into his pc & found he had been visiting this site, it would not be a good thing for this great site...
perfect, then we blame it on myspace.....

[SpecialGuy69]

Does anyone understand what bi11i is proposing here at all? It's a one way street from opiophile to myspace. Not back the other way. It's not like there's going to be a big "OPIOPHILE MEMBER, click here to read about my secret addiction" banner on your myspace. It would be so you could go through from here to myspace. I'd like it- it would be easier to put a face and person behind the posts. And if you didn't want to link it, you wouldnt do it, no problem.

I don't understand why everyone is so vehemently opposed to it.

Bi11i please let me know if I have this wrong.

[pinion]

I used to do web/internet research for attorneys and insurance companies. My job title was jokingly referred to as "derogator," which is actually a bit ironic and fortunately my past wasn't a secret from my employer.. Anyway, I got paid to dig up dirt on people for legal and insurance purposes (I did other things, but this kind of work was common, I did a lot of people locates and asset research.) Most people would be surprised what someone with some time and knowledge can dig up with google alone, not to mention the pay databases open to licensed private investigators.

You never know what's gonna happen tomorrow, you could be sitting on a witness stand next month with your job, freedom or finances at stake and trust me; if you find yourself in this situation, you don't want the prosecution's PI to dig up 500 posts you made on a heroin bulletin board - it doesn't look good no matter what the situation. The internet is not as anonymous as most people think and never assume that you're not traceable because in most cases, it's just a matter of how much time someone is willing to spend..

My $.02 on linking to myspace.com

[red26]

although I first said yeah I gotta switch my vote no. Besides what alot of people have said theres always some kinda virus or hackers on myspace.

[HistoryofMadness]

Does anyone understand what bi11i is proposing here at all? It's a one way street from opiophile to myspace. Not back the other way. It's not like there's going to be a big "OPIOPHILE MEMBER, click here to read about my secret addiction" banner on your myspace. It would be so you could go through from here to myspace. I'd like it- it would be easier to put a face and person behind the posts. And if you didn't want to link it, you wouldnt do it, no problem.

I don't understand why everyone is so vehemently opposed to it.

Bi11i please let me know if I have this wrong.

This may be true, but there's ALWAYS a way to backtrack electronic information. Plus I'm sure one of the nearly 3000 members has mentioned this place there before.


I used to do web/internet research for attorneys and insurance companies. My job title was jokingly referred to as "derogator," which is actually a bit ironic and fortunately my past wasn't a secret from my employer.. Anyway, I got paid to dig up dirt on people for legal and insurance purposes (I did other things, but this kind of work was common, I did a lot of people locates and asset research.) Most people would be surprised what someone with some time and knowledge can dig up with google alone, not to mention the pay databases open to licensed private investigators.

You never know what's gonna happen tomorrow, you could be sitting on a witness stand next month with your job, freedom or finances at stake and trust me; if you find yourself in this situation, you don't want the prosecution's PI to dig up 500 posts you made on a heroin bulletin board - it doesn't look good no matter what the situation. The internet is not as anonymous as most people think and never assume that you're not traceable because in most cases, it's just a matter of how much time someone is willing to spend..

My $.02 on linking to myspace.com

Sure, this is all true. I also deal with information 'warfare' a lot in my career, and I know two things are ALWAYS true:

1. Everyone has skeletons in the closet. Everyone. Some may be worse than others, but they're there, they can be construed, and the argument "well at least I didn't do xyz" never works.

2. PI's don't need heroin forums to make you look bad on the stand. In fact, the internet contains some of the LEAST valuable information, especially if you don't know how to verify it.

People aren't who they say they are, talk about things that happen to their friends, and of course, sometimes just make shit up.

Plus, you see it everywhere - even here - where people are quoting web pages, that quoted web pages and on and on, and the root information is untrue, not to mentioned the variances that the information experiences along the way.

Now if your defense attorney can fine ONE thing on this site that you exaggerated, told a third-party story in first person, or just fucking made up, they can impeach the whole thing.

Plus if more than one person uses your account ever to post, or if you use more than one location and at any time give any one your login information (and wait a week to change it) - HINT HINT HINT - then your defense attorney should be able to put question marks all over the posts made here.

Besides, if this site is all an attorney has on you they are fucked and you are gravy.

Oh, and finally, if you live the lifestyle of heroin, drugs, etc etc this website is the least of your worries when it comes to witnesses and your character. Because THAT'S where PIs make their money, in REAL FUCKING LIFE!

Pictures, witnesses, squeakers and rollers, etc...

I don't think this site alone is going to put anyone in jail.

Oh, yeah, and it wouldn't be this site, it'd be YOU. And if you'll say it here, no doubt you've said it elsewhere.

Sorry for the diatribe but information (and its movement) is one of my passions... and don't even get me started on the politics of this shit!

[applesauce]

Unless surfing anonymously one way or another, clicking a live link in a profile here that opens the MySpace site would leave logs on MySpace that the surfer had come from here to that particular profile.

So to some degree, it would be a link both ways. To LE who have constant access to MySpace logfiles (MySpace acknowledges this and they are proud of it) they would be able to see who is hitting what MySpace profile from here.

If we are going to the trouble to use things like SWIM to help obfuscate legal issues, I don't think that live links to a highly-watched and highly controversial site like MySpace is a good direction. I would not only not encourage it, but I would take steps to actively prevent anyone from posting a myspace link for that reason.

Dark Dante just recently helped bust a pedophile on MySpace by writing a PERL script that looked for specific attributes of a profile. If the DEA were to offer him a paycheck (assuming they haven't already), I wonder how fast he (or any other halfway decent coder) would accept it?

Please folks, be at LEAST as careful online as you are on the street copping dope. Many of you obviously have near animal instinct about how to do the latter safely. Online really isn't so different.

If I tried to buy drugs on a street corner or bar, I would end up paying $50 for a small bag of talc, or even more likely I'd be a guest of the state for a while (again). I grew up online, I watched with horror as the public were slowly allowed to creep onto the Internet, and I watch people hand their freedom over to LE's whim every day. SO many people could be in jail right now if LE even wanted to bother - and some day they might.

MySpace is venom injected directly into the jugular of any controversial website that links to it. PLEASE don't let it happen to this site.

http://tor.eff.org

[bi11i]

Unless surfing anonymously one way or another, clicking a live link in a profile here that opens the MySpace site would leave logs on MySpace that the surfer had come from here to that particular profile. I don't see how that would make any difference in the way of our own liability.

The links to MySpace keep those who are only interested in PMing here to solicit OVER THERE.

[pinion]

To the people that are saying that the link would only be one way, you can run a "links to" search on google and get a list of pages that literally link to a particular site. The syntax is "link:dumbwebsite.com foo" - this gives you google's* cache of pages that link to dumbwebsite.com that also contain the word foo. Here's an example search:

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&safe=off&q=link%3Amyspace.com+heroin&btnG=Search

If you look in the search bar on google, you'll see the syntax.

HOM: My point was simply that being active on this website could be considered derogatory information to LE, attorneys and investigators looking to defame someone. Yeah, attorneys play games and sometimes they win and sometimes they lose. Why even give them the potential ammo? IMHO, you're a lot better off remaining as anonymous as possible here because you never know when it could pop up to haunt you. Ten years from now you could be clean and looking for a job in which the BG check turns up a myspace page that is affiliated with links to/from drug based websites.. I might seem a little paranoid but it was working for those people that made me this way. You might be surprised at the lengths insurance companies will go through to dig up dirt on people and deny claims.

*This doesn't mean that every website on the planet that falls into that criteria will come up, but you get the point.

Again, my $.02

[applesauce]

It's simple. LE is watching MySpace. If a link to MySpace is posted on Opiophile and someone clicks it, then MySpace (and consequently LE) sees the referring link as Opiophile.

So it just draws a direct connection between this site and the profile the link points to.

It isn't a criminal violation of course, just another unneeded association between a specific MySpace profile and this site (and what this site is about).

Using things like SWIM don't really protect against any outright criminal acts either, but it is just one more "blur" in LE's way, one more possible technicality. This is sort of the same, it just mitigates the possibility that someone would draw a = sign between their profile (or thread) here and their profile on MySpace.

Not a big deal, but personally I would treat any MySpace links the exact same way I treat DEA.GOV links - avoid them like the plague.

Most sites of this sort (well, sites that support controversial activity, not necessarily just drugs) forbid all live links altogether for exactly this reason. My jaw literally dropped when I started reading the posts here and found several live links directly to the DEA's site - that would get someone banned and blacklisted (and on sites supporting, lets call it "clandestine technology breakthroughs" laughed at). Here I'm seeing live links treated as if they aren't any liability, but then we are asked to use something as trite as SWIM.

If this site were mine, I'd ban all live links (again, like most all clandestine sites do now) for the protection of the users who don't surf safely AND the operators, and i would treat MySpace links the same way I treat the most extreme and attention-getting .gov sites, because we all know how closely-watched MySpace is, especially right now (and for the past few months).

Just my thoughts, thanks for letting me express them on your fine site :)

[bi11i]

So it just draws a direct connection between this site and the profile the link points to. The MySpace addition was in response to those members who haven't yet been membered to the site for 30 days with 30 posts that can't use the PM system. We're happy to take it down, but something needs to happen in the way of steering solicitation away from Opiophile. Our only other option that we could come up with was to either simply remove the PM system for everyone, or moderate each PM (which would kind of make the PM system somewhat redundant.) The liability involved in someone following the Phile to MySpace in order to make an illegal transaction of any kind seems far less serious than someone flat out doing so here.

What can we do to secure the board? I guarantee an interested party is NOT looking at links from the Phile to MySpace for solicitation before looking at the Phile itself. An SSL certification for https access just isn't an option with all the linked sigs, pics, and avatars, etc.

Ideas?

[applesauce]

The MySpace addition was in response to those members who haven't yet been membered to the site for 30 days with 30 posts that can't use the PM system. We're happy to take it down, but something needs to happen in the way of steering solicitation away from Opiophile. Our only other option that we could come up with was to either simply remove the PM system for everyone, or moderate each PM (which would kind of make the PM system somewhat redundant.) The liability involved in someone following the Phile to MySpace in order to make an illegal transaction of any kind seems far less serious than someone flat out doing so here.

What can we do to secure the board? I guarantee an interested party is NOT looking at links from the Phile to MySpace for solicitation before looking at the Phile itself. An SSL certification for https access just isn't an option with all the linked sigs, pics, and avatars, etc.

Ideas?

I just now realized the real threat that you are trying to eliminate, and I understand. Now the MySpace idea is entirely different - if you are using it as sort of a yellow porch light to attract illicit activity AWAY from Opiophile, then I guess it is sort of a trade-off. I was just thinking that with LE foraging through MySpace's log files, they would be able to associate specific MySpace profiles with users and threads here. They could write some quick code to rummage through the logs there to quickly tell what MySpace profiles had links from here to MySpace. Anybody here who clicks on a MySpace link will have their IP address in LE's logs. Today, an IP address directly equates to a physical street address (by law). So basically anybody clicking a link to a MySpace profile from here would be essentially emailing LE telling them "I use Opiophile and I am viewing THIS Opiophile Member's MySpace profile". Not literally, but you know what I mean - a simple script on their side *could* make that literal.

But the bottom line is that you are trying to protect `phile and the members here from illicit solicitation by giving people a different outlet for those sort of conversations so the PM system here doesn't have to be used that way. I can see the trade-off, the benefit to this site and to everyone. It would possibly endanger people who use the MySpace links, or at the very least it would add to any file LE might already have on the people using those links, but it would lower the possibility that anybody would be using the PM system for nefarious purposes. That makes sense to me (finally).

I apologize for not understanding before. It honestly didn't even OCCUR to me that it would be technically possible for people to use the forum to hook up. I mean, I've used various OP review sites for years and know it is a very real issue, but when I came here, I was so preoccupied with my own questions that it didn't occur to me, even with the disclaimer about solicitation.

My sharp wit and keen powers of observation didn't alert me to the fact that a junkie in a roomful of other junkies might try to cop. In this case, I don't know which is the lesser of two evils.

[bi11i]

When we purged the PM system, we had over 10mb's in mySQL data just for the PM table. That's a boatload of solicitations.

Either way, I strongly enourage those who want to use a messaging system to do something illicit to do it away from here, rather the link come from here or not. Should MySpace decide to block links coming from the phile, then we're ok with that.

The MySpace addition is really for those that don't want to use something like Hushmail or a service like Proxify to access the web for private, personal communications. The bottom line is that if you're using the Phile to cop, you're just setting yourself up to get fuckered. If you're not using added 3rd party security like an anonymous proxy or secured email for your own private business, you're setting yourself up for the same.

Either way, we don't want to be the liability. The number of solicitations that were being forwarded to me after we imposed the 30/30 are almost nil. Just about zero, if not so.

[pinion]

The MySpace addition was in response to those members who haven't yet been membered to the site for 30 days with 30 posts that can't use the PM system. We're happy to take it down, but something needs to happen in the way of steering solicitation away from Opiophile. Our only other option that we could come up with was to either simply remove the PM system for everyone, or moderate each PM (which would kind of make the PM system somewhat redundant.) The liability involved in someone following the Phile to MySpace in order to make an illegal transaction of any kind seems far less serious than someone flat out doing so here.

What can we do to secure the board? I guarantee an interested party is NOT looking at links from the Phile to MySpace for solicitation before looking at the Phile itself. An SSL certification for https access just isn't an option with all the linked sigs, pics, and avatars, etc.

Ideas?

A couple thoughts:

Firstly, I think as long as there is a pm (private) system on the board, due to the nature of the board, there will likely always be at least some sort of solicitation. We see enough of it on the open forums, I'm not sure you'll ever be able to guarantee that it's not happening through a "private" medium. I'm not opposed to public access to pm logs. Another idea is to enable a system in which anyone reported soliciting via PM would either lose their PM rights or have them opened for public review. I still don't think that either of those ideas would completely eradicate solicitation. The best solution is probably to just eliminate it (as "private") altogether. If people want to have private conversations and you as the administrator absolutely require that there is no solicitation happening during those private conversations, then the conversations have to be off the board. I think public PM logs and steering people to use their own email addresses or IM for "privacy" would be the direction I'd head if it was up to me.

Regarding SSL: I think it should be an option and I think having/using that option trumps the luxury of being able to link (or just view) external signatures. That's a nice feature but I think encrypting the link between the browser and the server is more important for privacy's sake. Most people probably don't even realize how insecure a non-ssl http session really is. I do know that SSL requires quite a bit more overhead but I also think it would be a really good idea for this board and it could be optional as it is on a lot of sites.

Would it be possible to disable the display of external links (sigs and such) as soon as someone hits the site through SSL? I think I've seen that done and it seems like it wouldn't be too complex to script if someone hasn't done it already.. I know there are forums of PHP coders out there that write BB plugins for specific functionality. Might be something to look into if you want a work around for the SSL issue..

[applesauce]

When we purged the PM system, we had over 10mb's in mySQL data just for the PM table. That's a boatload of solicitations.

Either way, I strongly enourage those who want to use a messaging system to do something illicit to do it away from here, rather the link come from here or not. Should MySpace decide to block links coming from the phile, then we're ok with that.

The MySpace addition is really for those that don't want to use something like Hushmail or a service like Proxify to access the web for private, personal communications. The bottom line is that if you're using the Phile to cop, you're just setting yourself up to get fuckered. If you're not using added 3rd party security like an anonymous proxy or secured email for your own private business, you're setting yourself up for the same.

Either way, we don't want to be the liability. The number of solicitations that were being forwarded to me after we imposed the 30/30 are almost nil. Just about zero, if not so.

That is excellent. Do you believe the 10mb was really solicitations? It might be worth investigating the possibility of including a link to people's Hushmail accounts, so instead of offloading the liability to MySpace, you offload it to a nice encrypted and reasonably-secured private mail facility. You could even set up a PM system that uses free Hushmail accounts to exchange messages, and make everyone who signs up for an account here have a Hushmail or Cyber-Rights account. That way at least the PMs are stored as encrypted emails on a different server. It would take some custom code but probably not a lot.

[L0VE]

Myspace is gay :p . I said it once before, it's an epidemic. I'd rather socialize in the real world (j/k but I do like seeing profiles of people I haven't seen since preschool but I DO NOT HAVE ONE. I only do opiophile.org =).

[SobrietyBinge]

I didn't even know an ssl connection was possible. I would give up all sorts of bells and whistles for the peace of mind of having a secure connection. there are probably encrypted instant messaging programs that you could encourage or require the use of as part of membership of the site, but that would bring in issues of platform specific software and whatnot. On a related note I used to have a hushmail account but I didn't log into it in time and it was taken away from me. that was actually an account I used to sign up for a certain social network. now I can't delete my account with said network because I can't log in to the hushmail account. pretty frustrating.

[SpecialGuy69]

I use myspace basically just to show people what I look like if someone asks. And that's about all it's good for. But it's pretty cool to see what the people who post here look like.

[ZodiacKiller]

I use myspace basically just to show people what I look like if someone asks. And that's about all it's good for. But it's pretty cool to see what the people who post here look like.

I'll show you mine if you show me yours. :cool:

(via PM, of course)


ZK

[SpecialGuy69]

I picture you (ZK) as kind of jason newstedt circa and justice for all.
I'm starting a new thread to continue this

[ZodiacKiller]

I picture you (ZK) as kind of jason newstedt circa and justice for all.
I'm starting a new thread to continue this

Actually, I don't think so....

Check your PMs


ZK

[SpecialGuy69]

well that's just what I thought before seeing you. He used to have the long hair shaved underneath haircut around then though.

[CircusFreak2k2]

I recently turned 31. And I love myspace. I dont think I'm to old for it at all. I actually have two accounts. One for my music. And one for social. I browsed this forum for ever before I signed up. The reason I signed up was I felt this was a safe place. In both of my myspace accounts I dont mention my life style like I do on this site. Hell myspace is great. I keep in touch with family and friends with it. My parents look at my myspace. Its a great place to share pictures and music you are working on. The last thing i would want to see is someone posting something about blowing a OC on my myspace. And my mother reading it. My Mother is a sweet woman. Greatest woman i ever met. But i wouldnt want her to read something like that. If some law enforcement agent was scoping this site. Then got ahold of one of our myspace accounts. They would have all the info they needed to track us down. Maybe I'm being paranoid.http://i139.photobucket.com/albums/q300/circusfreak2k2/TFR323.gif

But if this were to be done. I think there should be some rules. Like no mentioning this life style on some one's myspace. And if someone from this site sends you a friend invite. And there site has drug related material all over it. No hard feelings when it is declined. Like i said. I use my music. And to keep in touch with my family and friends. I think this really needs to be thought over well. And if you have a myspace. You dont have to share it of course. Id love to share mine. Id love for some of you to hear some of my music. But with no guide lines written. Im to nervous to share either of my accounts right now:) http://i139.photobucket.com/albums/q300/circusfreak2k2/TFR26.gif

[CircusFreak2k2]

I voted yes. But like I said. Only if there are some guide lines for people from the forum. About how to treat the myspace accounts. I dont Need like say my Mother, My aunt, My dad, My sister, brother, older brother, my neice, ect ect. Reading "Hey y0 was poppin Circus. Hope you blowin a OC down"

[AWOL]

How myspace works ---> http://www.ebaumsworld.com/2006/10/kings-of-myspace.html

[Euphoricgirl]

No way. I can see it now. Hey thats my mom......Daughter lives on the damn site.

[Ickyuck]

B1,
No offense and I truly appreciate what you do to make opiorg the awsome thing that it is now, but HELL NO! Personally, and I've long long since deleted my profile on that damned web shite, that totally crosses the Anonymous Territory Line. My profile had pictures of me, pictures of my pet my location, and a billion "Friends" ranging from old co workers to neighbors to "Tom". Like, posting a picture of myself with a beer in hand was enough, you know? Although I totally give props to opiorg and its denizens.