sub and valium best way to enhance buzz?

[opiobsessed]

I got a nice lucky break for a while, I'm on suboxone and 10mg valium 3x daily for my anxiety. What I want to know is, what's the best way to get the best buzz from the combo? Naturally I can't swalllow a valium right after taking a sub or wd will set in because I drank water way too soon(happened before)

I would assume the best way to enhance each other, would be to take the valium, then immediately suck on a sub as usual for best results. Anyone have experience with mixing sub and valium let me know. thanks

[opiobsessed]

Ooops, by the way I forgot to mention something important. My psych doc also scribed me remeron(mirtazapine 30mg). The first night I took that before bed as told to, I slept like a rock but was a zombie half the next day, just like I had taken a strong sleeping pill. Is remeron crap or any good?

I did my research on it on here, found hardly anything about remeron, just wanted to check to see if you guys think I'm taking something good or just garbage? I took the remeron for the second time last night, woke up today not quite as tired as the first day on it. However I noticed today all day, the suboxone and the valium doesn't seem to be working near as good as it was the first day I took the valium before starting the remeron.

[stalemate]

All I can say dude, is that i've been scripted mirtazepam. (& I found it irritable) didn't get as high either.
Not recommend, you'll get more of an anti-depression effect from the valium alone.

I find most anti-depression meds don't work (& have annoying wd's)

[antigonemuse]

avoid remeron... its an anti depressant now being used as a sleep aid... the shit will work at first, then it will keep you up all night, and it seems to kick your ass the next day... this could however, jusr be me. I was highly pissed off to learn it was an antidepressant... i perfer my ambien any day... sorry to be so abrupt about this med, but it does not rest well with me... pardon the pun

[D-Train]

Getting back to your question opiobsessed- personally, I prefer to snort my valium and/or xanax, but have on ocassion banged it. I take on average 8mg subutex/daily (4mg/twice) and administer it either sublingually or IV. Typically, I drink a pot of cofffee in the morning just prior to taking the subutex and then wait 10 minutes ( doctor's suggestion ) after it dissolves before eating or drinking anything else. I have snoted the valium during all different phases of the bup experience. I'm not sure that I fully understand your reference to w/d's with taking the valium.
I hope you find this helpful. D.

[D-Train]

sorry, i missed your second post- nevermind :o.

[opiobsessed]

Thanks for the tips everyone,

You are right, this has been the 3rd day on remeron and I still feel like zombie when I get up, so I'm going to quit it. Especially since remeron seems to dilute the nice effects from valium and suboxone. I'm really excited on the other hand that I got some benzo to help me through until I see my sub doctor and get things straightened out. I got alot done all day yesterday and will hopefully today as well.

[ZodiacKiller]

Opio--I use benzos while taking Sub all the time-they seem to fill in the 'gaps' that Sub doesn't take care of. Stuff like anxiety (or that creepy skin-crawl feeling that comes with WD), some of the depression, and of course, the insommnia. Mostly I'll use Valium, even at work, because they seem to have less of the knock-out effect of some of the other benzos at my disposal (Temazepam, Klonopin, Xanax, and Flurazepam). They're nice and mellow (the vals) and do a good job of taking the edge off. If I wanna be unconscious, it's the K-pins for me (2mg)--one of those, and it's lights out.

So, for me, benzos work great with Suboxone, but I've heard that it can be a dangerous combo for some. I'd suggest exercising extreme caution 'till you know what works best for you. Definitely start small on your dosages. I know my limits very well, so these combos are only what works for me--I can't justify advising you or anyone else do the same--you've got to discover your own limits.

ZK

[opiobsessed]

Wow,
awesome, these bennies work great, I feel calm and happy once again and it happened luckily at just the right time. When things are going as shitty as they can right now for me in life. I just popped my last valium as I started typing this to calm me down. Its because I am so pissed today, today has really pissed me off, I woke up like a zombie because of the remeron I"m on, I"m quitting that crap, got alot done today and was pretty happy, that was till after supper. I got online to take care of my online selling, well what do you know I fucking got permanantly banned from fucking ebay. I hate that piece of shit website now so bad that I hope they die and crinkle up just like the last of the big dotcoms out there.

I was banned for setting up a new account because I refused to pay for just one item someone sold me that I bid on by accident. I fucking get fucked over one little thing, when I've lost over $100 at least, since 1999 when I found new hope on ebay when I joined. All from deadbeat bidders, dishonest sellers etc, and now I do just one little thing wrong and I"m banned. Well ebay can kiss my fucking ass I hate it. In fact I hate my routine in general, this crap has gotten very old. Hence the reason for me obsessing with drugs.

I feel like I'm right now at the crossroads in my life now where something totally new and or different and exciting must come along, or I'm well on the way to drugging myself into oblivion. The shit that has happened to me in life has totally changed me, to the point now, where most everything seems like a big job or hassle and all I want to do is just have fun and say fuck hassles. I am going to find a way to make my life as hassle free as possible after all the crap I've put up with, beleive me I've had more crap in life than most people out there I'm sure. ON the other hand there are alot of people way worse than me, but I guess I'm in a ramblin mood tonite, that fucking ebay shit was the last straw, and now I'm stuck with rushing to do something else to even pay the minimum on my credit cards. I can't even buy more goodies and that sucks even more. I wish I knew someone who wants a bunch of stuff I could trade for drugs. I feel right now, that if someone came by and asked if I wanted to trade, I would be like hell ya fuck it, I'm sick of my hobbies anyway and just get rid of everything, gone with the wind lol.

[need experienced help]

been dong subs and valium for some time. closest thing you will get to a dope high.

do the 3 valiums at once 2 hours after you take the sub. valium half life 20-100 hours sub 37.5 hours

the next day you still feel valiums longer half life so just do sub. every otheer dayrepeat the same.

don't suck valiums eat them on an empty stomach. valiums must be digested and processed through liver.

sub is bilinguil cause l;ibver does not metyabolize it. ust go into bloodstream through membranes

[ZodiacKiller]

sub is bilinguil cause l;ibver does not metyabolize it. ust go into bloodstream through membranes

Sub is bilingual? Does that mean it works for Latinos and us whiteys? Your handle may just turn out to be very appropriate. Heh, welcome to the site. Oh, snap!



ZK

[Curio]

been dong subs and valium for some time. closest thing you will get to a dope high. do the 3 valiums at once 2 hours after you take the sub. valium half life 20-100 hours sub 37.5 hours the next day you still feel valiums longer half life so just do sub. every otheer dayrepeat the same.
don't suck valiums eat them on an empty stomach. valiums must be digested and processed through liver.
sub is bilinguil cause l;ibver does not metyabolize it. ust go into bloodstream through membranes
(forewarning: you be dah new guy and 'toes needs a lil self-esteem boost ....accomplished by pointing out her medical knowledge that is presently sitting unused on a shelf...once in awhile posts come along and just *request* that I dust off that trophy of 'Learnin' rub off the tarnish and wooo hooo.....be showing peeps NEW stuff they didn't know...cause everyone HAS to learn something new everyday....EVEN---if they really do NOT WWAAANT TO!!)

I'm guessing you're on
the *magic* combo while posting tonight?
just guessing as you typed DONG SUBS....
reminded me of LONG DUCK DONG......
"OH pretty American girl FRIEE+nD!!

Or how bout the name of a local chinese submarine sandwich shop,
DONG SUBS
ha....here's what's for dessert:
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y256/JaeBond007/sayingslogans2/doodoo-rice-pop.jpg

what's this something about don't suck valiums eh?
Is that like "no need steerin now, eh? HEY no -You drive this thing, eh!!"
what with the lasting duration of effects for your highly recommended Happy Cure-all...that would have you pretty much loaded .... all the time....throughout the day....cool cause a lot of ppl just smoke pot and get the same expectancy whilst they exist..

I mean LIVE. we all gotta do what we gotta so we A) Don't take ourselves --out back-- to be put out of our misery AND/OR B) Kill someone who TOTALLY needs it!!

anyhoo...the liver metabolizes the shyte outta subs....just the opposite of what you're sayin....basically the liver's first pass or filter job is so effective on the pills that they are rendered useless....and membranes okay, yeah that's an easier way to describe sublingual administration of course....but def. wanted to clarify if you don't mind so people don't walk around with misinformation....

what with our own govt. *giving it to us* on a regular basis....misinformation that is...well, OTHER STUFF too...but that's just gravy if you're a diabetic or ICING on the cake if you're a sugar fiend like moi....
(end trans)

[repeek]

I have never got any kind of buzz off of Sub, absolutely nada. Even doing an Ambian, Soma, Xanax cocktail before Sub yielded no opiate buzz for me.

[Sitar]

Repeek, my experience has been similar. The only thing Subs do is make me feel normal. Granted, I love that normality and I'm glad to have it, but there's no real buzz there.

I get so jealous when my opiate naive friends take a tiny dose of Sub and get high as a kite, and I get no buzz at all from it. But that's opioid dependency for ya.

[El Dave]

I got online to take care of my online selling, well what do you know I fucking got permanantly banned from fucking ebay. I hate that piece of shit website now so bad that I hope they die and crinkle up just like the last of the big dotcoms out there.


eBay buyers don't feel they got an honest deal unless the seller limps away from the transaction with blood running down the back of his/her leg. eBay, of course, encourages this by being totally prejudiced toward buyers. What I'm waiting for is a good lawyer to start a well-deserved class action suit against eBay on sellers behalf, and I'm signing up for that ight away. Normally I don't believe in that sort of thing, but eBay's policies border on being criminal. At least we know where all the old Gestapo guys went.. they came to the USA and are running eBay.

I can't tell you my eBay vendor name since if you read their contract you'll see I could be banned for expressing an adverse opinion about them. SEIG HEIL!

Anyway, a note about Remeron: it brought me flashbacks after thirty years of none. Full blown wake up screaming flashbacks. I've not read of anyone else having that experience, but thought I'd mention it.

[Suboxstitute]

I've mixed my subs (using ahigher dose that nomal) with clonazipam (also a higher sose) and I did get somewhat of a buzz, but it really wasn't worth it in the long run.

I had to take more of my bupe that I'd like to (trying to taper) and then add on a good dose of clonazepam (5-6 mg). It got me in some trouble with running out before the end of the month, etc. and all the shit that comes with THAT.

But truthfully.... it DID give me some of the good ol' opiate-like buzz and also some of the energy I hadn't felt for so long since I've been on bupe, which surprised m. benzos are NOT my thing and om higher doses just make me tired and dopey. But mixed w/the sub, it worked as a little diversion from "BBS" -Bupe Boredom Symdrome -(my latest acronym as of yesterday)

....but you gotta be careful and you can only do this for so long, or at least I can - I have a legit script for k-pins (just changed to 2mg 2x daily plus one prn, for 5mg per day). My psych (not my sub doc) is cool about it - He knew I was having a hell of a time tapering down the bupe so wrote a higher dose of benzos for a few months. Sub doc (different guy) is anti-bupe all the way.

But I need to watch it now and not start doing 6-8 mg of k-pins at a time with 16mg of sub combined, for that elusive buzz.

I don't have access to enough of either med to make that happen often enough and don't want to get back into chasing non scripted pills.

And I've been warned sternly by several board members- to watch those benzos - don't get THAT monkey on my back. Worse then w/d from opaies, from bupe, just about everything.

But hell, it is my birthday today and I'm not really celebrating, so I did it one last time. A buncha kpins and a bunch of subs. Tomorrow,back to normal programming....

[bigNasty]

[quote=Suboxstitute;247867] Sub doc (different guy) is anti-bupe all the way.
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Your sub doc is anti-bupe? I think you might mean anti benzo. and happy birthday btw, mine is tomorrow. I'm a pisces too

[RobOC]

Naturally I can't swalllow a valium right after taking a sub or wd will set in because I drank water way too soon(happened before)

Please explain this, I don't understand what you are trying to say. Taking valium and sub together will in no way bring on precipitated withdrawal, to the best of my knowledge anyway, Drinking any amount of water should have nothing to do with it either. Not trying to be a dick or anything, I just don't know what it is you are trying to say.

[Thanat0s]

eBay buyers don't feel they got an honest deal unless the seller limps away from the transaction with blood running down the back of his/her leg. eBay, of course, encourages this by being totally prejudiced toward buyers. What I'm waiting for is a good lawyer to start a well-deserved class action suit against eBay on sellers behalf, and I'm signing up for that ight away. Normally I don't believe in that sort of thing, but eBay's policies border on being criminal. At least we know where all the old Gestapo guys went.. they came to the USA and are running eBay.

I can't tell you my eBay vendor name since if you read their contract you'll see I could be banned for expressing an adverse opinion about them. SEIG HEIL!

Anyway, a note about Remeron: it brought me flashbacks after thirty years of none. Full blown wake up screaming flashbacks. I've not read of anyone else having that experience, but thought I'd mention it.


dood, you keep diggin up these old ass threads... check the dates, eh?

[Thanat0s]

Please explain this, I don't understand what you are trying to say. Taking valium and sub together will in no way bring on precipitated withdrawal, to the best of my knowledge anyway, Drinking any amount of water should have nothing to do with it either. Not trying to be a dick or anything, I just don't know what it is you are trying to say.

think he is implying the water washing the nalox into his stomach where it WILL enter the bloodstream, as opposed to the sublingual route where it will not?

[whiterobot122]

I got a nice lucky break for a while, I'm on suboxone and 10mg valium 3x daily for my anxiety. What I want to know is, what's the best way to get the best buzz from the combo? Naturally I can't swalllow a valium right after taking a sub or wd will set in because I drank water way too soon(happened before)

I would assume the best way to enhance each other, would be to take the valium, then immediately suck on a sub as usual for best results. Anyone have experience with mixing sub and valium let me know. thanks
how did you get sub for your anxiety? I've been curious about this cause I have bad anxiety and sub is a very good anti anxiety

[antigonemuse]

subs arent used for anxiety... not unless there is some weird medical testing i havent heard of

[antigonemuse]

subs arent used for anxiety... not unless there is some weird medical testing i havent heard of


and as i reread this post he says he sucks on subs.... this further leads me to believe that he has no idea what the fuck he is talking about....

anyonw who has a script for them knows that is a "no no" they are placed under the toung to dissolve... you are not suppose to suck, drink, talk, smoke or swallow.... until the pills is totally gone

other wise you arent absorbing the med as fully as you can. swallowing it, suking on it would defeat it purpose.


and i agree, this thread is almost as old as my membership...

[Suboxstitute]

I have another thread going now, discussing pretty much the same thing - didn't see yours - sorry.

What I have is clonazepam (k-pins) and subs. Bottom line?

I have tried to combine the two; I may be getting a little benzo buzz, but not much from the two together except in limited and not very often circumstances. (which are posted in the thread).

Did your sub doc script the benzos? If not, is he cool with you taking them?

Sorry if you answered this already.

The other thread is called "bupe and benzos" or some sich title (although I spelt the title "benozos") - must have been on "benozos" when I typed it.

Check it out, maybe add a few more thoughts to your thoughts.

Sue/Subox/BORED ON BUPE