real evidence of browning improving?

[surfer]

2 questions:

1. is everone w/ this 10% improvement idea via browning just getting it from "dr salvo" or whatever his name is? if so that's just a subjective opinion and just based upon opinions -- not evidence. as I say [pun intended]: opinions are like assholes -- everyone has one.

any real evidence of this 10% increase in euphoria?

2. can u brown hydro by simply crushing them, adding a bit of liquid and sending them up the poop shoot w/ a non- needle syringe? u know keep the apap/ibuprophen powder in the liquid? or does browning require cwe on the basis of real scientific evidence? for the uneducated there *is* a diff. evidence is diff from opinion.

3. does browning "whole" pills have the same effect?

well I know u *can* do either... the question is does it make a difference?

thanks in advance to those coming from the positive side...rather than the "blabbers" with little intelligence and nothing better to do...

sorry but I understand clinical evidence as opposed to opinions.

recall that opinions w/ out evidence claimed that brown skinned people were some how less intelligent than europeans. and dumb a-- people took it as "fact;

so:

1. can u brown w/ powder/water combo? does it mattter if u brown the whole pill or use CWE or powder?
2. any clinical evidence of CWE increasing browining euphoria

TIA for those with positive outlooks

[cronosaegis]

1. As with any induction method, there's no real way to apply quantitative analysis to something so subject as "personal euphoria". So it's coming from Dr. Wordofmouthviaopinion.

2. You can brown them by crushing, adding water, and using a non-needle syringe. In a pinch, as gross as this sounds, you can use a turkey baster. You can also stick the pill up your ass, but in SWIM's opinion, the watered down method works quicker, as you can absorb the liquid- but, there's no digestive juices to break down a complete pill that you've shoved up your ass. You don't have to do CWE for it to work, but, you're inducing a lot of APAP into your system without an initial pass through your liver if you don't perform CWE.

2, Part B: I'd the say the key to browning, is to have a clean digestive tract, ie: a clean system, and no trains in the rail system(ie no turds up there). I say this, because your fecal matter can absorb the pill or liquid, and then you've wasted perfectly good medicine.

3. See the question 2 and question 2a answer. A pill will work, but it will take forever to dissolve, because there's no digestive liquids. If you aren't clean and clear up there, your fecal matter can absorb what you intend to induce, and you are shit out of luck.


PART 2:
1. See answers to your initial questions 1, 2, 3.

2. Euphoria reports are going to be subjective, and there's not really going to be any real clinical evidence for this- they don't want us taking this shit for a happy-joy-ride buzz. However, browning sort of seems to work on the same principle as using GFJ and tagamet- you're bypassing the initial filtration by the liver, and you should induce more of the goodies(and baddies) to your system.

That said:
A. UTFSE (hopefully Devil's Drug will be here in a minute)

B. WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU THINKING ? THAT'S AN EXIT, NOT AN ENTRANCE ! SHAME ON YOU !

[surfer]

thanx cron.

yer jokes were funny and yer info was helpful and made good sense. I kind of intuited the 10% thing but was looking for exactly the type of info u provided.. physiological stuff of which I'm ig-nant.

very helpful actually. and it saved me a ton of time researching on line ... which can be damn time consuming.

didn't get the Devil's Drug acronym thing...I assume its some sort of forum junkie [pun intended] language. if u guys get off on ass jokes have all the fun u want...

[exitwound]

Plugging hydro or oxy is useless, because they have such high oral bioavailability.

Plugging really only makes sense with morphine (or, therefore, Poppy tea/other opium products), since its oral bioavail. is very low.

[alowishus]

I wouldn't brown hydrocodone or oxycodone; mostly it's just for morph based products based on the fact that you loose so much of it if taken oral. It's like taxes in your paycheck that get taken out, same deal....hell w/ that I want all money; waste not want not.

There are at least 4-50 threads (if not more) about it and some about browning hydro.
Someone posted a pretty good how-to.


I guess I type too slow.......

[PantyShot9]

Anybody had any experience with doing this with hydromorphone?

[ZodiacKiller]

Plugging hydro or oxy is useless, because they have such high oral bioavailability.

Plugging really only makes sense with morphine (or, therefore, Poppy tea/other opium products), since its oral bioavail. is very low.

This is the bottom line on plugging in my opinion as well. I'll only do it if I have to, so that's only when all I've got is morphine. And it does work. Well said, EW.

ZK

[HistoryofMadness]

This is the bottom line on plugging in my opinion as well. I'll only do it if I have to, so that's only when all I've got is morphine. And it does work. Well said, EW.

ZK

Hehe you said bottom line.

[ZodiacKiller]

Hehe you said bottom line.

Hehe, yeah, uh, BOTTOM!


ZK

[Red_Baran]

Pluggin Hydro works very well. It is prob much better for your system to do a CWE but i know it works even if you dont. Just crush, mix with water, fill and shoot, and sit back and wait for bliss. god i love the buzz from hydro, i wish it was as strong as oxy though

[ZodiacKiller]

^ I wish I could still catch ANY sort of buzz from it at all. Alas, my stupid habit has grown to the point where hydro is completely useless for me--I mean, it does nothing, nothing at all.


ZK

[alowishus]

^ I wish I could still catch ANY sort of buzz from it at all. Alas, my stupid habit has grown to the point where hydro is completely useless for me--I mean, it does nothing, nothing at all.


ZK

I 2nd 3rd and 4th that.

[panthrax]

My guide should help you. The guide applies to all opiates/opioids as well as ecstasy.

It was written for morphine but the dose can be adjusted for Hydrocodone. You will want to perform a CWE on the tablets before you to the actual enema, though.

http://forum.opiophile.org/showthread.php?t=1882