Do you prefer your dope dealer be clean or a user? [Archive]

limitless_euphoria

11-11-2009, 06:49 PM

Most of the guys I went through for dope were NOT actually users. One guy ended up becoming a junky because when he bagged it up (and he did on average 100+ bundles per day) it got underneath his fingernails and before he knew it, when he took time off from bagging he went into w/d. I mean, this is what the guy claims but I guess it's possible.

IMO, clean dealers are more reliable because they're not nodding off when they're supposed to come meet you and they carry themselves better. But, it's a lot easier for them to not be aware right away of changes in product quality.

Now with blow it was a different story. More guys I got from USED than did not. Same thing with weed too.

I mean, I guess with a junky dealer he'll have sampled the product so you'll probably get better stuff consistently. But then it's only as good as his connect gets so it's not like he wouldn't get a shitty batch himself. Also, you can become friends with 'em, but in my experience, when they start bottoming out they're a LOT more likely to become hot, take stupid risks and a LOT more likely to screw you over in some way, shape or form.

I'm just curious to read your thoughts on the subject.

30_Units

11-11-2009, 06:52 PM

Clean-I personally hate dealing with junkie drama during copping. Mine, yours or anyone else's.

MoreNowAgain

11-11-2009, 07:19 PM

Great question angel! I'm always curious what other peeps have to say about this. :)
I like to connect to my dealers, in some strange way it makes me feel safer. I'm sure I would love a cut and dry guy at some point . . . . but right now I enjoy the Knowing. We are in this boat together.

Fat Pie

11-11-2009, 07:27 PM

All my dealers have been clean (one even asked me why I didn't take coke, thinking the two had the same effects!), and thus the chance of them ripping off either my money or my dope was greatly reduced, seeing as how they didn't need to feed monkeys of their own.

NY Hippie

11-12-2009, 01:19 AM

I think this is a great question. Personally I prefer my dealer to be clean, because if he's a user, he might start skimming off of the top of the bags, or at least, he'd be more likely to do so. Obviously dealers still do this to stretch our their stock, but when you have an addiction I think you're more likely to do this.

My regular dealer has a close friend who is his "tester," who checks quality of the dope before my dealer makes a large purchase.

DCBA

11-12-2009, 01:25 AM

I prefer clean but the clean ones are the most obnoxious of all, they are totally driven by making money. They is not even a bit of good guys in them.
At least the user ones deals to sustain their habbit, and many are indeed cool guys, but i never meet a clean one that were a cool guy, not one!

Bluemagician

11-12-2009, 03:12 AM

The person I've been going to for the past couple of years is a user, but is actually very reliable, and appears to have a very small habit for someone with such access to their DOC. The best thing about it is he truely knows the quality of his product, tries to get the best possible batch, and won't bullshit me about quality. Sometimes I'll cop stuff before he gets a chance to "test" it, but on the very rare occassion it is garbage, he has no problem reimbursing me as he soon finds out himself that it is garbage (not to mention I am one of his loyalist long time customers =P Pays to keep me happy).

I've had dealers that were not users, and on average, they were more unreliable quality wise, plus they all seemed to try to get away with shorting me a bag every once and a while (I can't count how many times dudes have tried to pass off 9 bag bundles) where the dealer I go to that uses has NEVER done me wrong on quality, or quanity. Another bonus is when I see him, and he's really messed up, I know I am in for a good night!

nick

11-12-2009, 03:21 AM

I really don't care.I'm nore interested in their being straight with me than what's in their bloodstream.

doctor diesel

11-12-2009, 06:12 AM

I really don't care.I'm nore interested in their being straight with me than what's in their bloodstream.

Ha ha! :D

EleusisII

11-12-2009, 06:37 AM

Good one!

There's something unethical about making money off other peoples misery, as opposed to getting enough for your own use, but really, there's not that much of a difference there.

I might feel more comfortable with a dealer that uses himself, might be more on the same wavelength, but the downsides outweigh the benefits. With a dealer using, you KNOW you're going to get ripped off sooner or later. Not because he's a bastard, but just because drama follows dope, and he'll find himself in a tight spot like everybody else.

Somebody who's in it for the cash, will have enough business sense to treat you right however. Just like the gangs that sell dope in ghettos make sure that nobody fucks with their clients.

upstate_007

11-12-2009, 06:55 AM

Back in my H days I had dealers on both sides of the fence.

The open air Puerto Rican kids were always pretty professional about things. Especially once they knew who you were and that you were not a cop.

I had a group of older white guy junkies that were not open air. They were real fucking pros. Always on time, always honest and never ever did me wrong. On the occasional time period where things were dry due to supply problems (DEA bullshit) they had to scramble just like their customers and would always give a heads up on what was good.

AnitaFix

11-12-2009, 08:20 AM

I dealt with all *3* kinds. Straightup coldhearted businessman, addict & the odd crackhead dealer.

Honestly, makes no diff..if anyone claims otherwise, it's just like the personal experience turned me into
a racist story that keeps popping up. There are good sober people, and good addict dealers. I guess I've thought along same lines about it being *unethical* to make money off my habit to you know, pay to put food on your table for the family & gas in the car he uses to drive up here etc,.

The crackheads may be unreliable, but again..just a stereotype. I only dealt with one who didn't use H but sold it to pay for his crack habit. He had mood swings etc,. so I had to catch him on a good day. Basically his mentality was diff - sell enough to pay for rock & im good.

About the fingernails thing.. I think it's silly but i know people who cover their face etc,. when we are weighing large amounts of dope at my buddies since shit can go up his snoot & he will not piss clean on next parole thing.. the fingernails story makes it sound like acid, if you seen SLC Punk you know what i mean

DCBA

11-12-2009, 08:23 AM

yeah, the acid went thru its trousers and thru the skin... good movie.

Tainted

11-12-2009, 10:02 AM

My alltime favorite dealer was an addict. Normally I'd say I'd prefer someone straight, but I had nothing but good experiences with this guy. He always hooked me up, he'd throw me bags for free constantly when I was sick. Only problem with him is I'd call him and tell him to run outside I'm at his front door, and he'd fall back asleep for 45 minutes.

Citrus

11-12-2009, 10:55 AM

I've only copped shit from/thru users so, I have no real basis for comparison. I will say that I'm pretty sure buying from junkies has definitely benefited me on a few occasions.

Bud

11-12-2009, 01:22 PM

Most lines, if they are anybodies (people should know what I mean by that), have people sample the kegs of product or whatever, all coke/weed/E/Meth/heroin should be tested before bought otherwise those people shouldnt be dealing :)

wisegal

11-12-2009, 01:49 PM

One guy i get roxi's from uses. Other then him every other connect I have just sells em.

I actually prefer the guy that uses to the others because in the rare case I have no cash and need a front he is so much more understanding about it because he knows what it's like to not have anything.

He has never refused me a front and i have always payed back with a quickness to ensure he will do it again in the future

Bud

11-12-2009, 02:22 PM

What I like about my guy is fronts are always ok as long as I tell him when i get paid next whether it be tomorrow or a week and a half, as long as I'm upfront, so is he :)

blackman

11-12-2009, 03:29 PM

"be high, convince them to buy...yeeaaaahhh"-Layne Staley

Anyway, yeah, there are pros and cons for both. Non-using dealers are probably more reliable and there might be a reduced risk of you being ripped off, but that's not always the case. A using-dealer on the other hand, will probably be more likely to understand where you're coming from.

Considering both options, I would probably prefer a using-dealer if only for the fact that they know what it's like to be sick and might be a wee bit more receptive/sensitive in less-then-desirable situations.

30_Units

11-12-2009, 06:02 PM

Nah dude, that bitch'd be more apt to rip us off-she's the reason I voted clean.

SHELLEY

11-12-2009, 06:15 PM

i never gave a rat's ass what my dealers did or didn't do
my main questions were:
does he/she have that good? and
does he/she deliver?

mikey5string

11-12-2009, 06:48 PM

non-users seem to be more reliable in my limited experience.

it would be nice to have someone honestly tell you how good the dope was.

have you ever known a non-user dealer to tell you their shit was weak?

blackman

11-12-2009, 07:26 PM

Nah dude, that bitch'd be more apt to rip us off-she's the reason I voted clean.

Yeah, but that bitch wasn't a dealer, just a middle-man. Those people are just junkies doing a favor- and favors aren't free when it comes to copping I guess.

aDoS

11-13-2009, 01:20 AM

A few people have the idea that clean dealers are unethical because they are only in it for the money, and are profiting from misery. But honestly, they are just supplying a demand. I doubt many people here have been FORCED to buy heroin from the big bad drug dealer. You usually have to do some digging around. Its a mutual relationship, you get the drugs you want, they get the money. They are actually doing a great service that comes with tremendous risks.

RifRaf

11-13-2009, 01:54 AM

Dan Steely

11-13-2009, 01:18 PM

The only user dealer I had went bad quick. At first her bags were great but over a couple months they turned to junk.

The greedy non users were fairly professional.

China white

11-13-2009, 01:45 PM

I guess there are pros and cons with both. For the most part I prefer my dealer to be clean because he's less likely to become desperate for whatever reason and start fucking around , whether its shorting my bags or whatever. I also like when theyre clean because they have no interest in the product itself. But then I dont like about dudes that dont use is unless theyre 100% on point. Dude might not wake up til like noon because he was out drinking and partying the previous night. Or the dude does other things and isnt always available.

with users i think there are way more cons than pros....pro being they can relate.....

you know what It, all depends on the particular person and what point they are at in life caus whether theyre using or not people have a whole shitload of problems.

AnitaFix

11-13-2009, 10:33 PM

thoswe who assume having a junky dealer is better because they are compassionate & have more knowledghe about the quality of dope are not very farsighted.

Junkies can be pretty selfish/desperate types & will con you , but it depends on the person ofcourse & success of their business.. still since they are not only in it for often expandible income ( i think most well to do dealers i know could loose 1/2 their clients & still be putting in high-octane fuel into ther high end vehicle) the junky dealer can weave up all sorts of stories to get you to buy..keep in mind they need that money to stay well, to not be in pain just like you.

the "fact" that a nonuser is clueless to the quality of his product is absurd..not to say many of you went that far to suggest it, but *ok* - maybe some dealers will need few custies to pick up off them & hear feedback before they can go & tell you if it's alright or its fire (no, never terrible ofcourse but thats business).. my non using peeps will usually have sold to a few clients before i get some of the new batch & through the grapevine they hear how it is & tell me or i find out indirect through my friends who buy off same duude. The fact that a junky dealer can tell you themselves if it's good or not makes no diff. in fact that can be a sales pitch on it's own..oh, its THAT good?! fine ill take a whole ounce then!

doctor diesel

11-14-2009, 05:06 AM

The best, most trustworthy and reliable dealer I ever had was the only one of them all who used the stuff he was peddling. I felt he was very much a kindred spirit, and the fact that he knew what the game involves helped my relationship with him.
Mutual empathy and all that blah blah....

Doc

SHELLEY

11-14-2009, 06:05 AM

i've never understood the "kindred spirit" thing
if you just know someone who likes the same kind of drug as you
cosmically fucked maybe, but that's about it
the only reason i would hang out with other junkies when i was a junkie
is the same reason i hang out with other moms and potheads now-
it gives us something to talk about instead of just how's the weather

non-users seem to be more reliable in my limited experience.

it would be nice to have someone honestly tell you how good the dope was.

have you ever known a non-user dealer to tell you their shit was weak?

omg because a junkie would NEVER lie in order to get your money

30_Units

11-14-2009, 06:34 AM

Yeah, but that bitch wasn't a dealer, just a middle-man. Those people are just junkies doing a favor- and favors aren't free when it comes to copping I guess.

True, but even in the case of the bitch now in bmore who you used to go to who banned me because I nodded from 12mg of dilaudid, she got ben choked out by joel for selling bunk bags....

I guess if the dealer is a woman and wants your cock, you're in safe, but man-even ben was getting fucked around delivering. I remember being on done at watching him scurry around with these smears as 25 dollar 'points' and selling it just like that middleman bitch did to us. And he was only getting one of those 'points' for every g he sold. BFB. Big-fat-bitch.

But ofc I'd feel differently if she'd not cut me off for nodding. :rolleyes:

nodrover

11-14-2009, 07:14 AM

I have had experience with both non-users and users. I am on suboxone now (have been sticking to it for like 3 months); but before I started following my regimen I had a pretty interesting copping setup. There was this house (pretty big one) in the worst part of Hartford's North end. The first floor consisted of all users. At one point there was probably six people living there, two users to a room. Mostly middle age, but the occasional teenage girl would show up for a couple days.

A non-using businessman and his family lived on the entire second floor. He was basically the main dealer to all the users downstairs. I have to say that he was on his A game most of the time, always answered his phone whether he was good or not, and gave me deals now and then. Most of the time I would cop from him, and then go downstairs to get high with the people that lived there (I was pretty good freinds with all of the people on the first floor).

When the business/family man wasn't good, or he had shitty dope, I would go to the first floor and ask one of the guys to go cop for me (I would have to throw them a bag or two of course.). I found that when I gave my money to one of the users, they ALWAYS came back with better dope. I would of bought from them all the time, but they always needed a sizeable cut, and I couldn't really afford it.

So, to sum things up, I think that users always know where to find better dope, but they always need something extra in return. I think that the businessman is much more reliable and cuts deals more often, but they don't really care about the size of the bags, not the quality. It's all about opportunity cost, ya know? If you choose to buy from a businessman, you need to make some sacrifices. If you buy from a user, you need to make sacrifices as well.

blackman

11-14-2009, 08:38 AM

True, but even in the case of the bitch now in bmore who you used to go to who banned me because I nodded from 12mg of dilaudid, she got ben choked out by joel for selling bunk bags....

I guess if the dealer is a woman and wants your cock, you're in safe, but man-even ben was getting fucked around delivering. I remember being on done at watching him scurry around with these smears as 25 dollar 'points' and selling it just like that middleman bitch did to us. And he was only getting one of those 'points' for every g he sold. BFB. Big-fat-bitch.

But ofc I'd feel differently if she'd not cut me off for nodding. :rolleyes:

Yeah, you're right. My experience with everything in Nashville was that the mexicans didn't give a fuck who you are even if you're bringing them 7gs worth of business a day. Atleast she was honest with me, but she did want my cock. I'd prolly rather deal with...fuck it dude, YOU GOT DOPE THEN I WANT TO BUY FROM YOU!!! Clean or not clean.

BTW-How does everyone feel about a 37 year old woman smack dealer trying to seduce an 18 year old kid? Go or no go? I guess she's around 40 now. Should I have fucked her and got it over with OR do what I actually did and used my sex appeal to my advantage for as long as this chick was my dealer? I mean, as soon as you fuck her the old-young magic is gone right?

Anyone had a similar experience? (guys I mean)

JonDub

11-14-2009, 08:58 AM

I prefer my dealers to be clean in all honesty. I always dealt with different mexican drug cartels in Southern Cali when I was using H heavily & ALL the cartels in every city didn't do any of there product. I never met one that actually dipped into the H or Coke. They were always sober and ran it like a business from 8am to 8pm everyday. It was far more professional, easier to deal with, and even though they didn't do it the product quality hardly ever changed. I don't think it really changed much more than + or - 5% in quality in over 2 years. Unlike up here in Idaho where it's junk 90% of the time if you can even find it & the only people I've met that could even get it were users themselves and very unreliable. That is why I don't even screw around with it anymore. It just isn't worth it up here. :cool:

Spork

11-14-2009, 09:01 AM

Do you prefer your dry cleaner to be a dope user or a dealer?

blackman

11-14-2009, 09:06 AM

Do you prefer your dry cleaner to be a dope user or a dealer?

A dry cleaner dealer, naturally.:rolleyes:

doctor diesel

11-14-2009, 09:15 AM

Do you prefer your cutlery to be spork or foon?

Doc

JonDub

11-14-2009, 09:18 AM

Do you prefer your dry cleaner to be a dope user or a dealer?

Funny you say that as he used to meet me at the dry cleaners quite a bit... .... ....strange lol

Spork

11-14-2009, 09:26 AM

You know how I know that?

Cause I'm the CIA MASHAFAKA@!!

Culinary Institute of America Spork Crimes Division!

Put your tines behind your handle and step outside the drawer!

odd

11-15-2009, 09:20 PM

My last few connects did not use. Always on time, never shorted, gave credit when needed. Now the few connects that i have are all users. I hate it. Shorting me, taking fucking hours to go 10 blocks, etc. It's took 2 hours last time to purchase a sack because the chick was so high she could not keep her eyes open for more than 2 mins at a time.

I am actually trying to kick just so I don't have to rely on these fuckheads anymore. I would rather do without than give these fools cash or have to rely on them.

blackwrx

11-15-2009, 09:32 PM

limitless_euphoria

11-16-2009, 05:50 AM

I like my dealer to be a chipper..Id rather have him be a user but not an addict. That way he knows what is good but isn't trying to make $$ 24/7. I am proud to say ive had the same dealer for about 3 years now and he is the best ive ever had because he is a chipper.

That is very rare. Usually with dope, I forgot whether it was Chopstix or who it was but they put it best by saying "dude, with dope, you're either in or out, that's just the way it is."

To that I would add "95% of the time."

There's always that very special person who can do one hit, one pill, one line, whatever and not touch it again for weeks. That's a very rare breed though.

What *I've* found over the years is a lot of dealing addicts will say "nah man I don't do that shit yo" and then they'll have trouble staying awake or something will happen and it's a giveaway. Maybe they think they'll have better credibility if they think you think they're a non user?

EleusisII

11-16-2009, 06:01 AM

BTW-How does everyone feel about a 37 year old woman smack dealer trying to seduce an 18 year old kid? Go or no go? I guess she's around 40 now. Should I have fucked her and got it over with OR do what I actually did and used my sex appeal to my advantage for as long as this chick was my dealer? I mean, as soon as you fuck her the old-young magic is gone right?

The old-young magic?!? LOL! I've only seen one of them old guy-young chick porn flicks, and it didn't really get me going, so I guess I missed out on whatever magic you're talking about, lol!

If you want our opinions though, you really gotta give us some more to work with... Just how much dope is involved here? How MILFy, or non-MILFy was the woman?

30_Units

11-16-2009, 09:41 AM

Dude, the best aspect of her personality/looks was the tar.

/opinion

slightly overweight, crack-smoking neurotic, demeaning and degrading 40ish year old latina.

blackman

11-16-2009, 09:50 AM

The old-young magic?!? LOL! I've only seen one of them old guy-young chick porn flicks, and it didn't really get me going, so I guess I missed out on whatever magic you're talking about, lol!

If you want our opinions though, you really gotta give us some more to work with... Just how much dope is involved here? How MILFy, or non-MILFy was the woman?

Ok, I've always had a thing for older women. My dream has always been that I'm fucking a 40yr old married mom in her bed and her two 5 and 6yr old kids walk in the room. Actually, that would fuck up those kids' lives so, nevermind about that.;)

The amount of dope we're talking about isn't that much, but she was my only hookup. She wasn't "hot" so to speak, but if I had to fuck her I wouldn't complain too much. I just thought I'd use her lust for me to my advantage and I thought if I fucked her that advantage would be gone. Playing hard to get has its perks sometimes.

The_Highwayman

11-16-2009, 02:20 PM

Threr were three people that I dealt with..One was a good friend who was usually scoring for a girl he was with and then for me when he got a connection, he's on done and he was using the H when he first scored it for the girl here and there, he said he never liked it compared to the done so he was never a user..the second was another friend who sold to me mostly and wasn't a user, he drank and smoked weed though..the thrid was the gangster type, nice as hell though, at least to me, he was..anyway he smoked and drank but never used H himself...

I would say I prefer the dealer to not use...then you know he isn't stiffing you, stealing, getting high instead of working, not always the case but a junkie dealer is even more unrelaible than a regular dealer

weekapaug

11-28-2009, 03:40 PM

Two connects: 1 clean and 1 strung.

The clean one is less expensive as he is not supporting a habit along with paying bills.
The strung one is a taste bit more expensive but the quality is usually better as he tests out the different 'samples'.

I think I prefer the strung one as I can relate to him a bit better but I usually go to the clean one because it is generally good and the prices are better.

hero 1

11-28-2009, 03:57 PM

gotta agree with hood they both have there pros and cons users know what it feels like when ur sick and those are the only kind of connects i an find right now guess i should move to a bigger city
when i lived in new orleans (go saints) i had a clean connet and i swear he didnt have a clue to the ways ive been shorted by my usin freinds so needless to say he was allways on time and i miss him dearly

pdxninja

11-28-2009, 11:22 PM

dramamine

11-29-2009, 04:24 AM

it doesnt matter either way. a junky white boy and a clean mexican are both likely to short your bags.

at least while swim was serving he was on point because he knew what it was like to wait and be sick.

a lot of people just dont care junky or otherwise. (At least around my parts)

True that. Every hook I've ever had has been a gangbanger who used. Despite that they never gave a damn if I was sick, they just wanted to keep making money so that they wouldn't be sick. In my experience you are nothing but a walking wallet. Maybe I need to find better hooks.