skin popping

[warmgun]

hi,

what is your stance on skin popping?

what are its advantages /disadvantages?

why use instead of the iv or snorting?


if i remeber right there is an increased risk of an abscesse compared to iv.

and what about the reddening of the skin?
what does that mean and is it a problem of itself?
which site is good for skin popping?
:confused:

[madnesscult]

IMO, skin-popping is the worst way to go.
1. You don't get the rush you do off of IVing.
2. You're much more likely to get abcesses (but not as much as IM).
3. It hurts.

I suppose you'd skin pop instead of IVing or snorting for a number of reasons...you're out of veins, and H tastes like shit when you snort it.

[Beaker]

I think it is pointless as well. No rush like from IV and there is a chance of serious side effects requiring medical intervention. It might make a little sense if you have sterile medical grade drugs, but I would never skin pop drugs of unknown cleanliness on purpose. It has happened accidentally a few times and I never got an abscess, but it always pissed me off that I didn't get the rush.

[jab]

hi,

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and what about the reddening of the skin?
what does that mean and is it a problem of itself?
which site is good for skin popping?
:confused:

Since the top has been addressed, I'll answer these.. The reddening of the skin is going to happen, but should leave quickly, unless you get an abcess. It's basically irritation.

Again, it can be a problem, but it should go away. If it doesn't, or gets worse, seek medical attention.

I would use a spot that is farily "deep" and sees movement.. In the hipp/butt, inside the upper arm, legs, etc. I would avoid shollow spots like the forearms; or anywhere visible.

But to re-itterate what is said above.. Skin popping is not advisable and isn't very effective.

Be safe!

[HistoryofMadness]

I've personally seen more body damage from long-term skin popping than any other method... of course, you can't see lungs and the inside of nasal cavities, but isn't that the point? And us shooters, well we just wear longer sleeves...

Seriously, I've seen more bad consequences from this (especially with street powders, maybe pharms are a little cleaner) than any other method. I'd steer clear, but that's just me...

[Zoops]

gimme a freakin break, as was said in that movie, The Basketball Diaries, "if you snort dope you might as well skin pop, if you gonna skin pop you might as well main line it" or something like that.

I have never wasted my time on anything but IV. IM is for antibiotics and steroids, not dope. Skin popping is only really for those tuberculin tests they give you to see if you've been exposed to TB. Ain't no reason to EVER do any type of dope by subcutaneous ("skin popping") or IM (intramuscular). iV is the way to go. and you and can blee 'dat.

[madnesscult]

gimme a freakin break, as was said in that movie, The Basketball Diaries, "if you snort dope you might as well skin pop, if you gonna skin pop you might as well main line it" or something like that.

I have never wasted my time on anything but IV. IM is for antibiotics and steroids, not dope. Skin popping is only really for those tuberculin tests they give you to see if you've been exposed to TB. Ain't no reason to EVER do any type of dope by subcutaneous ("skin popping") or IM (intramuscular). iV is the way to go. and you and can blee 'dat.

I agree. The first 2 times I did dope I snorted it, and after the first time I IV'd, there was no going back. It is better in so many ways. You get that wonderful rush, it (shouldn't) hurt, and you pretty much get what you paid for, instead of wasting a pretty large amount in any other method of ingestion.

I've only IM'ed once...I had been poking around for an hour and couldn't find a vein for the life of me, was extremely sick, and already late for work. I did it out of necessity, and I'm lucky it didn't get infected or abcess or anything. We can only get tar down here, so I wouldn't dream of IMing or skin popping on a regular basis (or at all if I can help it).

[Lil_Miss_Brownstone]

I've skin popped/IM'd for the last 6 months. Not a usuable vein left on my body besides the juggular, which I don't use for several reasons. I got a small infection on my left bicep but I took care of it myself and it healed fine. I use the armpit/breast area and my thighs. It is nothing compared to the IV rush, but I was at the point where it took an hour every time I shot up, just to get a vein to register. I figure if it takes 10 minutes to kick in when i IM, that's better than sticking myself for an hour trying to IV.

The moral of this story is don't shoot up crack. I shot coke/crack for 2 years, and this is what happened. Fun. The good news is, shooting coke is so much better than snorting or smoking it, that I haven't done any coke at all since I lost my veins, and my quality of life is vastly improved. Coke is aweful stuff.

[repeek]

I have IM'ed for a couple of years using black tar hitting deep in the muscle upper shoulder (5 to six times a day), never had an abscess. Legs are a no no.

[Zoops]

to each his own. I have heard of people doin special K (ketamine) IM, but not dope. I seriously never heard of that. I'd be careful though.

It's funny because I can do an IV shot on myself no problem, but when it comes to IM, man, I just cannot do it! I can't jam an inch long needle into my butt or shoulder or thigh. I get testosterone injections (long story, but a few months ago, I decided that I was going to do some steroids, you know, to get cut up a little bit, because even though I do weight training frequently, I have of late not been able to achieve decent muscle tone, and the amount of fat seemed to have increased, so I went to a local "cool" doctor, known from writing scripts for whatever, and told him I wanted to go on some of this shit called "oxandrin" it's like the only really commonly used anabolic steroid that is available legit by RX in the USA right now. People with AIDS are usually put on it, so they don't get that "wasting" thing. It's a pill. So, I went in and asked this doctor to give me like three week's worth of oxandrin, and told him that "a friend of mine's doctor did it for him, and it worked wonders for him - then the doctor said, how about we test you for your testosterone level? I said o.k. and he did, it turns out I got lower-than-normal testosterone. Testosterone levels in males normally decline sharply after 40, but I am mid-thirties, so I guess I am slightly early. Anyway, he prescribed test. injections, and I have been getting IM shots in the butt, courtesy of my old lady for about 4 months now, and it HAS definitely worked wonders for my energy level - I am more confrontational instead of avoiding confrontation - I mean like I stand up for myself if someone does something in public that I don't like - I don't mean I am going around picking fights with people! and also my fat content, body fat, had decreased a lot! Muscle tone is improved too. I also used some steroids that I ordered online, from overseas, used them for about 2 months also, so all in all, I'd DEFINITELY RECOMMEND TO ANY DUDES READING!) That was a long parentheses, no? Anyways, what was I sayin'? yeah, I get testosteron injectoins IM. Oh, I guess that's all I was gonna say.

never mind.:D

[Canis aureus]

I say for straight,... IT'S UGLY. That's my opinion. Full stop, no skin popping yak. I don't even want to IM, and I shouldn't even think shooting. Thanks to God methadone is so well absorbted orally, almost 100% bio-availability orally, that's great that!

[repeek]

Some of these folks got no veins at all; skin popping every time they try to IV scaring themselves up really bad. I see guys who look like the Elephant man from skin popping. I agree IV is the way to go, but with a decent diet 4000mg of vitamin C a day and a multi vitamin IM is doable without a lot of risk providing the dope is relativly clean (even black tar).

Edited to add, here the black tar looks like black glass, stays hard even at 100 degrees, cooks down in seconds in a bottle cap, is clean but light to dark brown in the needle (depending on the amount of water you use) and starts to hits the brain in less than two minutes IM in the uper shoulder.

[jab]

I'm glad you've been lucky repeek, but IMing tar is a VERY bad idea. YOU might be getting some great tar, but most tar is not like that and will cause some nasty abscesses. And if you think you can't cut tar with crap, just like powder, your crazy.

Be safe all!!

[repeek]

I live right on the border, so the tar is about as good as it gets. Guys here like to use bottle caps to cook in because a lot of the impurities stick to the aluminum while cooling.

The dope is so cheap here, it is not uncommon to see folks having to fix every four hours; and after a while, you will run out of veins pretty quick like that.

I just seems to me that if you have only two routes to go, popping or IM, IM is safer in my experience.

[madnesscult]

Yeah, I'm down on the border too, and I haven't seen anything but tar for several years now. Every once in a while, someone would come back from Chicago or someplace with some china white, but that stopped after 2 dealers and too many other people died. I guess it's more economical to sell weaker shit than to kill off your customers.

[repeek]

Here the white is not worth buying, it would take three bags easy to make one of the tar. They claim it comes from Columbia or Afganistan, but it is all cut.

[warmgun]

three bags.

is there a common defintion of how much is in a bag?

if not, what is your specific definition of a bag?

[candy]

I think one of the main reasons that injectors end up with so many problems from skin popping is that they are just not using the right equipment and don't use a clean technique.

Most of those whom I have talked with that are skin popping are doing it because they just don't have any veins left to IV their dope.

Most needle exchanges only give out the Insulin or Tuberculin syringes and these are not useful in giving an IM injection. So for those who want to IV but have no veins, they can do a Subcutaneous injection and still get the thrill of an injection.

Skin Popping, also called, Subcutaneous injection should be done with a 25-27 gauge needle, 3/8-5/8 inch in legnth. With a Subcutaneous injection you want to get just below the skin and just above the muscle. So with this legnth of needle, you should be able to do so and you want to go at a 45-90 degree angle.
Sites for injection are the back of the arms, upper thighs, and the abdomen.

For IM injections, you want to use a 21-23 gauge needle, 1-1 1/2 inch in legnth. Because the muscles are rich in blood supply, you will get a faster reaction when doing an IM injection. IM injections are good for meds or dope that may be more irritating to the tissue. Because the skin has more pain receptors, it is good for less irritating types of solution.

I recommend using the right type of needle when injecting using any method. With SQ injections(subcutaneous) you run a higher risk of infection when you are not using clean techniques. And do not rub a SQ injection.

Hope this info helps!

[SirDonkeyPunch]

is there a common defintion of how much is in a bag?

if not, what is your specific definition of a bag?



Standard bags are a single dose normally like 10-40mg depending on purity

[repeek]

is there a common defintion of how much is in a bag?

if not, what is your specific definition of a bag?




1 bag= single dose
singledose= what I would be afraid to do the whole one of, when I first used.

Where I am the more common term for a single dose is a "balloon" 1/10 of a gram.

[warmgun]

Standard bags are a single dose normally like 10-40mg depending on purity

wo, if such an amount is a strong hit for a newbie that must be quite some quality dope.
10mg being a strong hit, that's basicallly pure dope. you got it made!
here 10% un(?)purityis the upper end of the scale.


@topic: i have to agree with candy-gal! :D
when missing my shot (btw, does the irritation of the skin come from the cuts or is it also caused by the dope itself?) i don't get that instantaneous rush but there is still some exhilaration though not quite as pronounced. compared to a snuff i'd have to say its quite a lot better.
though i have to say i never was convinced bout snorting it.
is it important with SC-injections that hey are made close to a muscle?
if i fail a shot in the crook i think the sc-shot works just fine at that.


get the thrill of an injection
what do you mean? the thrill one receives even if one were to shoot saline?

[repeek]

[quote=warmgun]wo, if such an amount is a strong hit for a newbie that must be quite some quality dope.
10mg being a strong hit, that's basicallly pure dope. you got it made!
here 10% un(?)purityis the upper end of the scale.


Newbies die fairly regulaly around here doing a dime, as do old timers just getting out of prison. Right now there is very good dope everywhere here.