National Geographic - Inside LSD

[robothanded]

Not sure how many psychonauts there are in this forum, but..

There was a show on National Geographic on Nov 3rd, called "Explorer - Inside LSD". I was wondering if anyone watched it. There was also a show on marijuana, and one on meth before this. All hour long shows. Some torrent sites have it, if you're interested.

National Geographic did a decent job in keeping it unbiased. The main focus for the "Inside LSD" one was whether or not it had any medicinal value or not. The government is just now, again, letting scientists study it's effects.

The coolest thing was it's testing with people with cluster headaches. Scientists were using 2-bromo-LSD, a non-psychedelic derivative of LSD, on people with the headaches. National Geographic used 8 people for their example, and 7 out of the 8 were cluster headache free, after taking 2-bromo-LSD. They currently don't know how it works.

To say it doesn't have any medicinal value is ridiculous. Even straight LSD, it's psychedelic effects alone are medicinal. I don't care how thin the line between what is medicine and what isn't.

[Chemical_Boy]

The idea of "good" drugs and "bad" drugs is stupid as shit. There are just drugs. I would guess that any drug could be beneficial or harmful depending on in who's hands it lies.

[Suboxer]

LSD MIGHT be medicinal, for some people. For others, it causes post-traumatic stress syndrome, psychotic breaks, and HPPD, and take borderline/sub-clinical mental illness and make it FULL BLOWN as Hell and all the bats within (like me). I'm not sure if what I took was actually "LSD," since it only lasted ~6-8 hours (ruling out DOx) and was on gelatine tabs). But it may have medicinal effects for some (in controlled, pure dosages), in a proper "set and setting," to quote Leary. For some people, it is impossible to evoke a proper "set," and hard psychedelics have potentially longer-lasting mental side effects than any other drugs on earth. A level of side-effects paralleled only by exposure to extreme trauma, ala red zone combat. Much more care would have to be taken in patient selection and eligibility than any currently prescribed medication, to a degree that I believe physicians would have to be trained, as a specialty, in "LSD therapy," ala neurology, oncology, etc. I believe the non psychedelic derivatives have promise for the treatment of migraine or cluster headaches, much as the current triptans, which are structurally related to LSD and other ergotamines. The closest relative to LSD in medical use is Sansert.

This unlike weed, which is a psychedelic, but has well-documented and relatively undisputed medical use as an anti-emetic and appetite stimulant. The psychedelic effects are not viewed as medicinal, they are a generally undesirable side-effect to the "medicinal" effects.

[Chipper]

The idea of "good" drugs and "bad" drugs is stupid as shit. There are just drugs. I would guess that any drug could be beneficial or harmful depending on in who's hands it lies.

I don't agree. Although I enjoyed Barbiturates occasionally in their final street days, I still think of them as "bad" drugs. But I know what you mean because they didn't do me any harm, however I wouldn't want a Barb habit, no way! Possible coma and death in withdrawal - that's bad, for folks like us.

[jacky]

yeah, I saw that show on LSD...

it is truly one of the best programs about psychedelics and potential for medicine.

the info about bromoLSD was VERY interesting. and its basically a crime that bromo lsd is not being researched further for cluster and migraine headaches.

I was amazed that the cluster headache sufferer refused to seek out alternative LSA/psylocibian therapy,...just because he had promised his daughters he would never take an illegal drug.
I hope his daughters see that program, and decide to release him from his promise.

my wife has cluster headaches.
the few times she has sought treatment she was treated like a drug seeker.
she doesnt trust Dr's to give her a fair chance anymore.
just because of a few peircings, tattoo's and being young.
so we found that LSA containing seeds....like rivea corymbosa really does help her. the seeds are legal to possess...but not when you isolate the LSA...or use to get high.
well, she doesnt take enough to get "high" she takes enough to make the pounding rat that is eating through her frontal cortex and using some sort of pressure gun....to take a break.
it was interesting.....because she started having cluster attacks right as a new issue of the entheogen review came out.
it seems because the DEA and pharmaceutical companys are so concerned about limited psychoactivity in these natural medicines...they are draggin ass when it comes to researching this phenom.
so certian Dr's, researchers, "unapproved researchers" and migraine/cluster sufferers are taking it to research themselves...with cautious unapproved human trials.
anyway, this article in the entheogen review made me realize that either argyriea nervosa, morning glory seeds, rivea corymbosa seeds, or even magic mushrooms...might help her out.
not wanting to break the law......too bad...ha ha...we choose the seed route.

and it seemed to help her ALOT.
before I could only put pressure on her pressure points on her hands...and rub her temples.
if I stopped....instant insanity...
even with that massage tech....she was nearly a vegetable.
so I would sit and massage her pressure points for hours until I no longer could.

the seeds help.

and I know, from the documentation, that LSD research was showing ALOT of potential....even with some eczema sufferers according to some japanese researchers.

I saw Dr David Nichols in person, giving a talk on LSD...when Dr Albert Hoffman called, and thanked the whole room, some 400 people, for coming to learn and talk about these substances known as psychedelics/entheogens.
it was worth the money, the travel, being alone in hotel rooms...and packing poppy seeds in my bags...to make this convention.

LSD is an amazing substance. a substance that helped me tremendously as a near suicidal, depressed individual. a year and a half before my first LSD experience.....some friends dosed my straight edge ass (yes, I was a straight edge, teen age punk when I was 14-15) with a minor amount of mescaline containing tea. not enough to probably effect them....but it showed me the micro/macro/meso cosm, and my place in that, within the first 10 minutes of me waking from my pre mescalated nap.
so by the time I tried LSD...I was already healed quite a bit from that mescaline experience...
the LSD helped me alot.
I also unleashed alot of artwork the following month...including a picture that later became an album cover....the picture was basically an alchemical symbolic purging....I didnt know much about, or anything about the oroborous.....but I knew enough internally to draw the symbol...it just comes out of you.

I know in a few years.....maybe 10 at the most...that psychedelic medicine will start to be allowed and will revolutionize some area's of medicine.

I also liked that they mentioned that some inventions and physics breakthroughs happened just because people used LSD to facilitate learning/problem solving. they didnt even give all the accounts that we know of.....but it was important to mention, that LSD problem solving research has already helped some researchers move past stuck points.

there is a nobel prize winning author that credits psychedelics for their importance in his life...Kerry Mullis.

we really have no idea how big this story is.....LSD and psychedelics influenced far more positive breakthroughs than we probably will ever know about. many people still keep such things to themselves...and probably will only share with the major media once people start respecting their choices.

at a dose of 10 micrograms a day...Dr. Hoffman found that LSD is a great anti depressant.
he did so illegally basically...apparently testing on himself.
it makes alot of sense to me...to take such a substance for depression.
compared to taking say....effexor...a drug with addictive qualities. effexor is a substance that shows about as much tolerance effects as opiates....effexor actually...is an opioid...and also effects dopamine...as well as serotonin.
I know 4 people at least that had a problem with effexor addiction and withdrawal. and still to this day...no one reports or labels that effexor can be habit forming. its basically like kicking dope. but worse if you can imagine that.
some people end up taking hundreds of milligrams of effexor a day....
I know one person taking upwards of almost 400 milligrams a day. which cost her an arm and a leg....
eventually she had to be admitted, and detoxed using unsafe doses of other anti depressants just to get her off of effexor.
it makes sense to me, that you might want to take a substance that is so potent, that you barely need to take any...compared to taking nearly a half gram of a proven addictive substance like effexor.
( I got nothing against effexor...but I wish the company would start telling people what they are in for.....its criminal really, what they are doing)

I was impressed with the show on LSD...
everything impressed me...except for the teafairie and her buddy claiming that LSD helps them meditate better. and helps them spin their hippie sticks better.
she is a psychedelic blogger on erowid....and though I dont mind her blogs...I dont see why she was picked out to represent a typical modern user of LSD.
there are alot of people taking LSD outside of the burning man, raver crowd....
the show could have given more time to the elder researchers that have been working with LSD since the 50's and 60's rather than focus on the teafairies interests.

they also interviewed a woman that doses candy, which is a fucking HORRIBLE idea if you are going to get caught with the substance and an even worse idea if you are going to sell this candy to people that might just set it somewhere and let kids accidentally have access to it.....I didnt see any warnings listed on her box of products waiting to be distributed.
I know a few people that ended up getting busted for little kids getting ahold of their LSD....having dosed candy is something that could get you NAILED in court. plus....they might just count the candy as weight of LSD...further FUCKING you into time spent serving.
and also, her method of dosing candy seemed to me to be quite sloppy. resulting in uneven dosing.
they should have showed a person selling LSD for profit that actually knows what they are doing.....but they probably couldnt get close enough to someone like that.

besides the people that seemed to be a bit naive about LSD, and that it can have profoundly negative effects on some people...I liked the show.

I know a female that cannot take LSD...because it makes her feel like her womb is being ripped out.
she was also sick for a week everytime after she tried to take it.
finally she gave up on LSD, and moved to shrooms.
given that LSD was made in the first place...as a way to research substances that shrink blood vessels...it occured to me that for some people...LSD might have some LSA like effects when it comes to womens reproductive organs.

because of that experience....and others...I cant stand people who claim that LSD is a perfectly safe substance.
it is far from perfectly safe.....I would say its ALMOST perfectly safe.
we need to remember...that people die from taking LSD....
a kid died in the bottom of a crevasse up at mount hood, because he was on LSD, and riding like a complete idiot one spring. he died alone, in the bottom of an icy hole. scared shitless...on LSD.
the LSD didnt help him make the right choices.
I also know people that are pretty much permentantly damaged it seems....just from a few high dose LSD trips. acid head fallout is something that I think is more common than we realize collectively.
and after all...they killed an elephant with the stuff quick enough!

LSD is not nearly as dangerous as 2cb fly though...or other highly potent phen's...so the problem with very dangerous psychedelics being sold as LSD is now a real consideration.
these class of psychedelics have a heavy body load...and can kill someone with amounts not to much in excess than the threshold amount it takes.

because of this new problem, I think its just another reason to legalize LSD for spiritual or medicinal research.
potent 2cb fly like compounds will probably continued to be developed. blotter paper is no longer a way to pretty much decide that what you have is indeed LSD. small doses of this newer class of psychedelic are easy to fit in small places....and people have already started dying from overdoses of this new class of drugs.
its probably the major reason that the research chemical industry, at least a particular collection of companys...was busted by the DEA.

anyway..
great show on LSD.
psychedelic research is moving beyond the DEA's control...they are not longer being allowed to create a monopoly on supply and research...well, at least they are starting to be forced to crack that door open.

[pain-pateint]

....the picture was basically an alchemical symbolic purging....I didnt know much about, or anything about the oroborous.....

J --

Pardon my ignorance, but I need to ask what "oroborous" means? I checked the dictionary and got nothing. A Google search returned a result asking if I meant "ouroboros (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&hs=uQX&ei=SNT1SqeJIIGGNLfDiekF&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=0&ct=result&cd=1&ved=0CBIQBSgA&q=ouroboros&spell=1)", and of course I don't know because I was trying to find out what you meant.....

Google did return results for oroborous that seemed to represent alternative (erroneous?) spellings of ouroboros because these links referred to a similar type of circularity. Is that what you meant?

Also, from your post, I would venture to guess you know Rick Doblin, Dr. Shulgin, and their "crew". You're probably also familiar with the work of Rich Boire and the Center for Cognitive Liverty and Ethics (CCLE) and it sounds like you traveled to Switzerland for Dr. Hoffman's 100th birthday. Given all that, I would LOVE to explore this topic with you further. There aren't too many folks -- who aren't professsional researchers -- who know very well the pharmacology and other aspects of BOTH opiates and psychedelics/RCs/entheogens, or whatever they're being called these days. Certainly, if you know of any papers to recommend, please let me know!:D

I, too, believe LSD, psilocybin and related compounds have tremendous healing and palliative properties and I read every paper I can get my hands on that discusses research on these compounds, esp. the most recent studies that have managed to obtain FDA/IRB/NIDA approval. I used to get horrible migraines, usually requiring a trip to the ER for a shot of Demerol and phenergan, and one day when woke up with one these headaches from Hell, I was so nauseated and just didn't want to go to hospital, plus I was in medical school at the time and the administration always seemed to know when a student was given narcotics, and they didn't like it:cool:. So, I put a tiny piece of paper under my tongue, and within 30 minutes my headache was rapidly abating, and was totally gone within the hour. The downside was that I got no work done the remainder of that day:mad: other than a bad redecorating job in my den;). For me, though, it was not only relief, but absolute PROOF that acid's placement in Schedule I was a total lie because it's medical use was quite apparent to me and I was most thankful for it.

Best,

M

[Narkotikon]

I was down in KY at my one sister's house last week, and she has the Nat Geo channel. I like the channel in general, but I always have liked those educational type channels. Anyway, I saw the show on, but didn't watch it. They had one on pot and one on meth too. I did watch a show about the Forbidden City on the night before on Nat Geo though. That was pretty good.

But, in response to the government letting scientists / researchers study LSD, I think that's great. I think they should be allowed to study all substances: heroin, weed, LSD, etc. Basically all the C-I drugs.

Possibly using it for cluster headaches is interesting. I know that they sometimes use ergotamine and relatives for headaches. Ergotamine is a chemical found in the fungus ergot, which is sometimes found on rye and other grain crops.

In fact, one theory for why the Salem Witch Trials took place was a mass ingestion of ergot via contaminated rye crops. The court reports said the girls who were accusing people as witches were hallucinating. If they had eaten ergot-contaminated rye, that would explain it. I find this stuff interesting.

Thanks for the heads up.

[More Feen]

Just watched it last night--very interesting, new research in to a powerful drug/tool.

I liked watching the scientist legally making 1000 doses of pure LSD in his lab (I think it was at Notre Dame, not sure). He does this with the blessings of the DEA !!

The way he talked about the experience, it seems like he knew first-hand of the effects of LSD.

Shit, if I were making 1000 hits of LSD legally every year, I'm quite sure a few of those doses would find their way into me.

Ooops, there goes 200 ug into me morning coffee, wha'cha gonna do??

M F

[blackman]

I caught this last night and it was wonderful. It wasn't like your typical national geo/discovery channel drug shows. very insightful. I have always had a fancy for hallucinogens and couldn't leave the tv for a sec. I recommend this show to all.

[robothanded]

Hmm.. They didn't specify how many ug in each dose of 1000/year... You could probably fit a gram or more of lsd crystal in a blotter or a drop. That's one million ug over all.

Oh for fuck's sake why didn't I take organic chemistry.

[More Feen]

Hmm.. They didn't specify how many ug in each dose of 1000/year... You could probably fit a gram or more of lsd crystal in a blotter or a drop. That's one million ug over all.

Oh for fuck's sake why didn't I take organic chemistry.


If there's a breath in your body, and a few working neurons left, you still CAN talk an organic course, or two, or more.

From what they showed on NGC, making 'cid is freaking komlikated as hell. I doubt you could jury-rig something in your kitchen (like the spinny-evaporator thingy) they showed.

But then again, people are resourceful

:" Okay, you take an old record player, see? And then you....)

M F

[DreamCatcher]

The idea of "good" drugs and "bad" drugs is stupid as shit. There are just drugs. I would guess that any drug could be beneficial or harmful depending on in who's hands it lies.


I'd have to disagree... I mean when LSD was invented it's initial use was for medical purposes (and it worked, that's a fact!). Now you might say that the same deal was with a lot of other drugs, but... If you think about what happend to morphine when it became recreational and what happend to LSD...I mean you can see the diffrence, right?

LSD as a "drug" hasn't done nearly as much damage as any other drug that was meant for medicine and became recreational...so I'd say there're "good" drugs...They're still illegal, but it's questinable why, and that's what makes'em diffrent.

[Thanat0s]

fucking rock.

the theraputic potential of the psychedelic experience with a trusted shaman can be a great tool in ones life. im heady enough into dxm and in the past with psychedelics all sacraments of all manner. wouldnt be who i am today with out the counciosness expansion these drugs can acheive.

beautiful in the right hands.

it can however make monsters. caveat emptor eh?

[HandMeSomeOpiates]

The idea of "good" drugs and "bad" drugs is stupid as shit. There are just drugs. I would guess that any drug could be beneficial or harmful depending on in who's hands it lies.
I dis agree. IMO there are drugs(Weed,Booze) and there's Bad Drugs(Meth,Inhalants, Crack etc..)

[Suboxer]

fucking rock.

the theraputic potential.. im heady enough into dxm and in the past with psychedelics all sacraments of all manner. wouldnt be who i am today with out the counciosness expansion these drugs can acheive.


And that's exactly why I stay away from the god damned hallucinogens. It's not an expansion of consciousness, it's self-delusion. Hallucinogens don't damage society as much as other drugs, as they are not conducive to crime: but they damage the mind and ego of the individual consuming them more than any other, and destroy relationships the user has with "normal" sane, non-burned out people (as jacky mentioned, "acid-head fallout") just as efficiently as hard drug addiction. Dealing with an obvious long-term pot smoker is one of my worst nightmares at work, and I can tell by speaking to someone for two sentences if they did too much acid "back in the day." There are probably tons of people out there who didn't get fucked up by it, but there are plenty that did. They are off in space, believing what they want, and, in a word, annoying. The ones that obviously smoke daily or did too many hallucinogens are a pain in the balls. The ones that aren't obvious about it aren't: but, with the percentage of people that ARE obvious, I don't think there are many more hardcore potheads around, unless America is 10% daily smokers/burned out hippies.

[duck]

I think you're mistaking chronic weed smoking or over-indulgence in hallucinogens as a cause of being out-of-touch with reality and generally retarded for general disparities in the population of people who can think like they're not a fucking retard, and people who are just so stupid through their own laziness.

I know PLENTY of long term LSD and THC users who are in-touch with the world, and I have plenty of straight friends who are completely lost and generally retarded. Some people are just retarded, ya know?

[More Feen]

I know PLENTY of long term LSD and THC users who are in-touch with the world, and I have plenty of straight friends who are completely lost and generally retarded. Some people are just retarded, ya know?

Agree ^^^

I've seen a lot of "straight arrow" types who've bought into the whole "Money = Good" and "More $$ = Better" and many are miserable, empty people.

You know having enough money is important, but when your whole life has been devoted to making cash by any means, at some point you're going to reflect on just how vain & meaningless your life is, well maybe you will.

I do understand what Suboxer is saying, and I agree that I'd prefer not to work with many potheads/ & wasted acidheads. With acid/shrooms and maybe mescaline use, one often reaches a point where further tripping is not really going to add anything of significance.

In that sense, these drugs can limit their use, or help the person understand that you've received all of the insight that these drugs can offer.

If this is NOT a revelation that comes to the user, then they will indeed burn-out, I mean how many times can you sit around your pad for 12 hours watching the walls melt listening to Sgt. Peppers'?

Then again, the closed-eye visuals and brilliant, enhanced imagination--the immaculate details of some of those visions and the power of your thoughts coming to fruition (at least visually, tactilely, audioly (?? you know what I mean) can make the occasional trip worthwhile. I dunno....

Now at crucial points in a person's life, additional use/tripping may be helpful to overcome psychological hang-ups, and can help a person get over a particular hurdle (divorce, death, illness, etc...).

There are people who flat-out hate tripping (never gonna do THAT again) and those that absolutely love it.

Its been too many years since my last venture, writing this post has rekindled my interest. I think it might be a good time to revisit an old friend.

M F

Sorry long post--just a rambling on.... .. . . . . .. .. . ... . . . ... ... . . . ... ... . . . ...

[digby]

And that's exactly why I stay away from the god damned hallucinogens. It's not an expansion of consciousness, it's self-delusion. Hallucinogens don't damage society as much as other drugs, as they are not conducive to crime: but they damage the mind and ego of the individual consuming them more than any other, and destroy relationships the user has with "normal" sane, non-burned out people (as jacky mentioned, "acid-head fallout") just as efficiently as hard drug addiction. Dealing with an obvious long-term pot smoker is one of my worst nightmares at work, and I can tell by speaking to someone for two sentences if they did too much acid "back in the day." There are probably tons of people out there who didn't get fucked up by it, but there are plenty that did. They are off in space, believing what they want, and, in a word, annoying. The ones that obviously smoke daily or did too many hallucinogens are a pain in the balls. The ones that aren't obvious about it aren't: but, with the percentage of people that ARE obvious, I don't think there are many more hardcore potheads around, unless America is 10% daily smokers/burned out hippies.


I tend to be more often annoyed by the ones that didn't do enough hallucinogens rather than those that did too many. As far as hallucinogens causing self-delusion, that may be one of the most self deluded statements I have ever heard. People may not always respond well to the doors that hallucinogens open, but they are almost invariably doors being opened, not being shut.

Alchohol, speed and opiates on the other hand tend to close doors more often than open them - but for some these drugs can also open vistas previously unavailable. But just like life, everyone experiences drugs and drug experiancess differently so the height of delusion in my book would be to assume that everyone had the same experiences as you did while under the influence of near identical drugs.

[robothanded]

And that's exactly why I stay away from the god damned hallucinogens. It's not an expansion of consciousness, it's self-delusion. Hallucinogens don't damage society as much as other drugs, as they are not conducive to crime: but they damage the mind and ego of the individual consuming them more than any other, and destroy relationships the user has with "normal" sane, non-burned out people (as jacky mentioned, "acid-head fallout") just as efficiently as hard drug addiction. Dealing with an obvious long-term pot smoker is one of my worst nightmares at work, and I can tell by speaking to someone for two sentences if they did too much acid "back in the day." There are probably tons of people out there who didn't get fucked up by it, but there are plenty that did. They are off in space, believing what they want, and, in a word, annoying. The ones that obviously smoke daily or did too many hallucinogens are a pain in the balls. The ones that aren't obvious about it aren't: but, with the percentage of people that ARE obvious, I don't think there are many more hardcore potheads around, unless America is 10% daily smokers/burned out hippies.

That's quite the generalization. and how exactly do they damage the mind? and if anything, they bring relationships closer.. I'm not sure where you're getting your info from.. maybe "war on drugs" propaganda, but it's not true.

I've known a vast array of people who have delved into the world of psychedelia many times over, and are still as sane as the day they were naive, including myself. The only "threat" that hasn't even been proven yet, is that people with a predisposition to mental illness after taking a psychedelics may bring it about latently.

What scares you so much about people who are introverted?

[nodrover]

I watched this video on YouTube as soon as you posted about it (it's divided into 5 parts, about 8 min each). I found it really interesting.....I really hope they find something significant in their research; significant enough to spark the interest of other countries to conduct their own research.

And damn, when I saw that guy suffering from his cluster headache, I really felt for him. I had never heard of those before, and it looks fucking brutal!! I mean if the only thing that helps him is either Bromo or a hallucinogen, why not let him have it? Not a dose to trip him out, just enough to elevate the serotonin a little! Idk.......But yeah hurray for the comeback of LSD research!!!

[duck]

I've seen a lot of "straight arrow" types who've bought into the whole "Money = Good" and "More $$ = Better" and many are miserable, empty people.



And then you have the total schmucks like me who ate more than their fair share of hallucinogens and are still obsessed with money! :)

[30_Units]

Maintenance man just has his things with tripping y'all, go easy, don't forget, he was destroyed by a tactical hippy that dosed him (handed him) with the nefarious downs-inducing crystal!

[Thanat0s]

And that's exactly why I stay away from the god damned hallucinogens. It's not an expansion of consciousness, it's self-delusion. Hallucinogens don't damage society as much as other drugs, as they are not conducive to crime: but they damage the mind and ego of the individual consuming them more than any other, and destroy relationships the user has with "normal" sane, non-burned out people (as jacky mentioned, "acid-head fallout") just as efficiently as hard drug addiction. Dealing with an obvious long-term pot smoker is one of my worst nightmares at work, and I can tell by speaking to someone for two sentences if they did too much acid "back in the day." There are probably tons of people out there who didn't get fucked up by it, but there are plenty that did. They are off in space, believing what they want, and, in a word, annoying. The ones that obviously smoke daily or did too many hallucinogens are a pain in the balls. The ones that aren't obvious about it aren't: but, with the percentage of people that ARE obvious, I don't think there are many more hardcore potheads around, unless America is 10% daily smokers/burned out hippies.


:D

yeah.

[Suboxer]

Hell, tripping didn't make me realize that money wasn't worthwhile. In my tripping days, I had not one valuable insight gained through tripping, though some weird, fucked-up, and at the time, entertaining, times.

What made me realize money, and creature comforts, weren't worth a shit, was active opiate addiction. Even on maintenance I live on a barely subsistence diet, and don't spend much money on anything else - nothing really interests me. Money isn't worth a shit unless it's to feed King Kong: then it's worth the world and more.

I remember Maintenance Man from back before I was registered... I haven't liked tripping since high school and I've seen a couple people fucked up by it (who hasn't?), but something in that dude's head was seriously out of whack, infesting every thread on the fucking board with another of the same old diatrabes about how weed and "psychomimetics" were destroying good, moral, bread-and-butter Christian America. Preaching on about how paranoid and conspiratorial acid and weed made you: hell, he practiced what he preached! I think he's a good example of what I'm talking about here. Acid casualty in the first degree, with some schizophrenia sprinkled to taste.