Spice Gold(synthetic cannbanoids)

[KoDeInaaaae]

There is a thread about the synthetic cannabanoids cal hu-210(half of 420 lol) and jbh-016 i think it is? but nothin about the blend called spice

Has anyone ever heard or tried any of the SPICE combinations before?Im on probation so this is really appealing to me since it dosent make u fail a drug test for THC. I tried it the other day when i was hanging out with the owner of a local headshop with these girls i no. Hes a cool hippy type guy with very good weed.Anyways he asked us if we wanted to smoke some of his finest adn the girls replied yes and i repsonded i cant man im on probation. He said really have you ever heard of the legal smoeking blend called spice? I said yea i heard of it (my firend told me about it and he said its like smokeing some good weed,but it hought it was like one fo those legal buds off high time or something,) but im really not into the fake bud stuff. He said well its ur lucky day and he packed me up about 2 jits of the stuff.

Well i proceded into smokeing the stuff and took 2 pretty good size hits and held it in like cannabis. The taste wasnt bad and it kinda tasted like salvia too me a little bit.After those 2 hits i felt pretty fuckin high and i was amazed.After a couple minutes i started feeling all smiley and igigly like when i had no tolerence to weed,which i dont anymore. So we were sitting there while they were passin around the joint and we were watchin the music visualization on his xbox listinen to Manu Chao-King of the Bongo. Good song. But the music visualization became alot more clear andi spaced out on it for a while.I was kind of buzzed at the time of liquer but i could def feel the SPICE. It also wasnt the bowl with marijuana resin in it also becuase the guy was lookin out for me and gave me the bowl that he just smoke spice out of.I also couldnt tast any resin so he wasnt lieing

When i got home i did some reasearch and found out it contained those synthetic cannbanoids and it wasnt any herbs that created the high like blue lotus which the ingrediants on the package said it has in it.After doin some extensive reading i read that it was somewhere between 50-100 times as potent to THC. They also said it lasts alot longer.

After doing even more readin i read that it was Carcinogenic which isint good lol. I dont know how true it is but they said its really hard for ur body to break it down or something.which that makes alot of sense.


All in all i was just seeing if anyone has tried it and what they think about it and what information they have on it? I personally enjoyed it but its really expensive and dosent appear the good on your body.But im pretty sure useing a couple times when ur fiending real bad or out of weed it wont be that bad for u so yea. Let me know your opinion on this surpriseing good and legal drug

[SHELLEY]

i dunno man, i just smoke herb

on an unrelated note: you don't "no" anything, you KNOW things

[mikey5string]

sorry man. i can think of nothing gayer than intentionally doing fake drugs.

is this like that shit they advertise in high times? "herbal ecstasy" and all that garbage?

its up to you though. i say save your money for the real thing. you mentioned being on prob. THC isnt detectable in urine for too long. a few days maybe?

[EleusisII]

Hmmm, yes... Good point Mikey. My Faggotry detector is def. reading an output here!

Using fake drugs is like saying fuck you to society. But without the solid middle finger salute to society that breaking the law gives ya.

It's like that kid, who walks around in a tattered leather jacket and Tshirt with obscene message under it, but changes to a preppy sweater before he comes home.

[wisegal]

uh, duuuuh

http://forum.opiophile.org/showthread.php?t=25229

[EleusisII]

is this like that shit they advertise in high times? "herbal ecstasy" and all that garbage?


Thank god I'm good looking...
But one day, I'll be old and fat, and I'll need money to get chicks interested.
When that day comes, I'll mix some crushed Tylenol PM and Oregano, call it "ELEUSIS DREAMSPICE" and buy some ads in High Times.
Cause people that read High Times are either high enough to buy anything, or desperate enough to buy anything.
I'll be known as the "Crushed Tylenon PM and Oregano-King", marry a crazy stripper who's only after my money, and move to my own private island in the Bahamas.
Damn, I can't wait!

[mikey5string]

Thank god I'm good looking...
But one day, I'll be old and fat, and I'll need money to get chicks interested.
When that day comes, I'll mix some crushed Tylenol PM and Oregano, call it "ELEUSIS DREAMSPICE" and buy some ads in High Times.
Cause people that read High Times are either high enough to buy anything, or desperate enough to buy anything.
I'll be known as the "Crushed Tylenon PM and Oregano-King", marry a crazy stripper who's only after my money, and move to my own private island in the Bahamas.
Damn, I can't wait!

let me get in on that shit!

ill give you EXCLUSIVE distribution rights to m5s's...

X-TrEmE hAze with 3X POWER CrYsTalZ!!!
(grass clippings with sprayed with maple syrup, ammonia and glitter)

[losangeleslifer]

you mentioned being on prob. THC isnt detectable in urine for too long. a few days maybe?


Not quite accurate Mikey.

THC is actually detectable up to 30 days from the time you get high. Maybe an "once in a blue moon" type of smoker can pass a test a week later, but variables such as the degree of a stoner you are, how much physical activity you get also determine how long you can test positive for.

So a few days might get the H out of your piss, but THC, highly unlikely.

[30_Units]

the "proprietary actives" in spice are legit.

[imalgen]

Spice Gold has CP47,497 and HU210, but it has been reformulated multiple times, and they have changed the name of it a few times also. These "spice" blends have found to contain the 2 chemicals i mentioned above, as well as but not limited to JWH-018, JWH-073.

Out of those that i have tried(073, 018 & 200) JWH-200 has by far the most pain killing properties. Even though they call the whole JWH series "analgesic aminoalkylindoles" only JWH-200 shows any sign of help with chronic pain, and its short acting. Supposedly CP55940

The one time i was forced to go sober for 14 months with twice! weekly piss tests. It took over 3 months of not smoking to finally be out of my system 100%. If you need to clean your blood/piss and you have a couple weeks, start taking capsules of turmeric or turmeric extract. Shit is amazing for cleaning you out.

This is kind of interesting -->
Pre-exposure to the cannabinoid receptor agonist CP 55,940 enhances morphine behavioral sensitization and alters morphine self-administration in Lewis rats

I really dont understand how anyone can say a synthetic cannabinoid is "fake"? :confused:
Are your synthetic opiates fake? What about synthetic amphetamines? I really doubt it, or else thats some really good placebo effect the whole world has going.

[Suboxer]

What is your name? A combination of "codeine" and "DNA"?

[EleusisII]

^^^^

Welcome to todays internets lesson, where we teach Suboxer how to browse through a users old posts, to find information we're curious about, but which is really fucking boring or irrelevant, or that everybody has already asked!

Hang on for tomorrow night kids, where Suboxer will try to use the internets "Visitor Message" function to ask another user a question, and achieve the same goal!

[Spork]

KODEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE EEIIIIIIIIIIIIIIAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANEEEEEEEEEEEEEe

[KoDeInaaaae]

chyea lol but no i dont think you read my post all the way through this isint like on eof those herbal ex pills or legal buds. this is some kind of organic matter sprayed with synthetic thc so it is a true high so im not smokeing fake drugs nor is it a placebo high. And actually some of those herbal es do work i heard it contains another RC...But erowid has a vault on it so whoever said im smokeing fake drugs is very wrong and should do there own reaserch before jumping to conclusions like i have before i tried it.. http://www.erowid.org/cgi-bin/search/htsearch.php?exclude=&words=spice&Search.x=0&Search.y=0

[Ickyuck]

I've heard of Spice. Its banned in the UK, I think, because there is in fact some THC-like substances in it.


PS: Er duh this has already been covered in this thread. Maybe I should read before I post!

[Oakleyskier]

mikey was sure jockin' the fuck outta the kid when he didn't even read the post? whats up with that....?

didnt the kid specifically say its NOT the shit in those magazines.

[KoDeInaaaae]

yes,yes he was man..he was tryna be a funny guy when he didint even read the post. I tihnk its hella funny when he finds out he is very very wrong and feel very very dumb lol Thats why i have it posted under RC

but i really dont wnat to start any drama in here just a conversation and peoples expeirences with them

[GOLD N DIEMONDS]

HEY - GOOD THREAD KoDeInaaaae
got to say I don't know much about this
and have learned something

SO- does anyone know with certainty that this would not show up on a UA???
would think a lot of folks on Probation would certainly be interested

oh Suboxer- gee thanks for valuable contribution
guess we all weren't smart enough (or too fcked to care)
to have user name like plastic eating utensil
:rolleyes:

[mikey5string]

is this like that shit they advertise in high times? "herbal ecstasy" and all that garbage?



c the question markz dooshebagz?

you could post fucking cat piss under research chems. dont mean its not cat piss. i guess there is no "fake weed" section...

no really though. i am an asshole.

[EleusisII]

I tihnk its hella funny when he finds out he is very very wrong and feel very very dumb lol Thats why i have it posted under RC

Why yes, I'm sure he'll be devestated K... Devastated!

Oh lord... I'm kinda imagining K at home, breathlessly sitting in front of the computer, waiting for Mikey to find out the error his mistake. A bottle of champagne is ready to be popped in celebration, and somebody crossed over "4/11" on the wall-calender, replacing it with "INTERNET VICTORY DAY!! NEVAR FORGET!!" in black magic marker.

http://forum.opiophile.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=4171&stc=1&d=1257289889

[dharma bum]

I haven't smoked "Spice" or any other name it goes by...but it is proven to massage the ol' cannibinoid receptors in the noggin'. That being said I'd try it if it was in front me but I wouldn't order it from High Times, the Internet or anything else---unless I smoked it once and had a kick ass time. A psychonaught friend of mine is always smoking jwh-018----he does some GOOD drugs---so, given the chance I'd smoke it.

[dieselbaby]

Wow, do any of you actually READ anything posted in threads after the first reply, or do you just mash the reply button with a feverish rage, finding it necessary to announce your position on the matter as fast as possible?

I already posted a thread about this exact shit a few months ago:

http://forum.opiophile.org/showthread.php?t=25229

It was already linked in this thread. Spice = not fake drugs. The entire legal drug scene is actually very crazy right now, especially in the UK with mephedrone, these 'bath salts' (aka designer amphetamines, beta ketones and cocaine analogues) and synthetic cannabinoids. Instead of just fake bullshit, it's now obscure (and sometimes not-so-obscure) research chemicals being sold under brand names at headshops. Spice is LEGAL (as are the synthetic cannabinoids present in the mixture, with the exception of HU-210) in both the UK and the US.

I can also add with CERTAINTY (confirmed by my continued drug-testing) that none of the Spice or "Spice-a-like" mixtures show up on any drugs tests.

[Ickyuck]

...or do you just mash the reply button with a feverish rage, finding it necessary to announce your position on the matter as fast as possible?

No, but my cat does!

[Woody Bear]

Also the chemicals in Spice, aren't synthetic THC, as synthetic THC would be identical with THC from the cannabis plant, only it would have been synthesized in a lab, rather then extracted from a cannabis plant. Both synthetic THC and natural THC from cannabis would show up on a piss test as being the same substance.

Because the chemicals in Spice aren't found in the cannabis plant, but they affect the cannabinoid receptors they are synthetic cannabinoids. And as they aren't structurally similar to the cannabinoids found in the cannabis plant they don't show up on any drugs screening and aren't (currently) tested for separately. It's the same way that oxycodone and hydromorphone aren't found in the opium poppy, so they aren't opiates, but because they plug into the opioid receptors, they are (semi-synthetic) opioids.

Chemically, Methadone is of no relationship to opium alkaloids, and it isn't made using opium alkaloid precursers, so it is a synthetic opioid.

[KoDeInaaaae]

thats how we do it elusis got a bottle of the finest champagne man lol. that was some funny shit man i like the champagne touch...that face palm thing is gunna go out of style very soon,it seems to me everywhere on the internet it is beiing used more and more...

But i tried it and i enjoyed it very much being that i am on probation.It was free but i would pay that skyrocket price to try it again and confirm what i felt was a genuine high. I believe it is a high very similer to marijuana. The guy that gave me some who owns a headshop said this guy kept comeing back to him tryna sell him some but he thought it was like those fake buds off high time untill on day the guy gave hime some was like here just try someout i no u will like it ,so he had it for a while and he ran out of weed one day and he compared it to some high grade fifties...hes used to smokeing some high grade also becuase when i went over there he had some 3 diff strains of some good bud

[Bluemagician]

I actually tried the Spice Gold stuff, maybe a year ago, maybe less, I forget, but anyhow, I was actually quite surprised that it produced a notable, pot like high. Now, in my opinion, it really wasn't as "pleasurable" as pot, and it seemed to have a low ceiling effect (as in, you could smoke as much as you wanted, but didn't get any "higher"), but the buzz lasted for quite a while, and it only took small amounts to achieve the buzz. One thing I didn't like, though, was the taste. It wasn't really a good smoke, and it took a while to clean out the funky taste in my pipe.

For the price and effects, I would MUCH rather get the real thing, but if you can't get any pot, or cannot possibly risk failing a drug test, it's not a bad substitute, but it definitely does not replace good herb in any way. I don't know if they "reformulated" since I tried it, but I definitely got positive effects from smoking it, and it in no way was it a placebo effect.

[imalgen]

Fuck spice gold or any of those blends really, as the pure chemicals are widely available and quite cheap. I have seen prices for these spice blends in headshops being sold for TWICE the cost of some kush for .5g less!

Real thing is better no doubt.
Even mixing JWH-018 + JWH-200 + JWH-073 doesnt provide that interesting of an effect, although 200 has some neat psychedelic and analgesic booty action, 073 seems "sativa" like, as in it gives a nice mood lift without any grog. 018 can give you the spins and make you paranoid, but out of those 3 it feels closest to thc.

[Shadowsblaze]

With Kodienes name the A got stuck but that been discussed overmuch. K good thread, guys he's in a headshop with babes and the owner turns him on cause he thinks this stuff is righteous so I say try it and judge it then. Reps if its good. K is overdue friendship I say he's one of us, with alot of good post . Give it up for K.

[KoDeInaaaae]

thank u man i thought this thread was gunna get me called a troll again lol i really did but i am also proud of myself sinc ei think its a good thread also...it also seems to be very popular with 2 pages almost 3 already...thanks again man but im sure ur feelings will shift again and put me on the bad side once more. lol but i willl milk this as long as i can

[Shadowsblaze]

lollollol no K you'll put yourself there but no harm done at all with you yet. Your cool dude just take it easy, you've changed alot in a short time, relish it.:D:D:D

[Underdose]

I don't know if I'd smoke that stuff unless it was shoved in my face. It would have to be a super awesome high to convince me to puff. I'm a big fan of tasty sticky nuggets, and smoking stuff like that would make me feel like a d-bag.

My sub Dr. is drug testing me though, and they say weed is a big no-no. I told them it keeps my anxiety in check. She's still not going for it. After I have a couple clean UAs though they'll only be testing me every 45 days....

If I end up having to quit smoking pot I HIGHLY doubt I'll switch over to some shit like this, but I'm glad you found something to put a smile on your face...:) And I hope someone punches me in the face if I pass them a spliff of spice gold....

[GOLD N DIEMONDS]

I And I hope someone punches me in the face if I pass them a spliff of spice gold....

YOU want punched face in exchange for you giving SPICE
ah dude...thats just WEIRD

:rolleyes:

[KoDeInaaaae]

yea i didint understand that either? i would of act the way i did and accept and and be thankfull for the risk free buzzy while on probation

[dieselbaby]

And I hope someone punches me in the face if I pass them a spliff of spice gold....

You sound totally awesome! I wish we knew each other in real life, we could hang out every day! :cool:

[Underdose]

You sound totally awesome! I wish we knew each other in real life, we could hang out every day! :cool:

Funny guy...:) I got friends that are growers, they'd be like 'what the fuck is this?!?!', and never talk to me again.

[Paregoric Kid]

yeah I am hoping to try some synthetic cannabinoids they sound very interesting. which jwh compound is the most potent?

[Underdose]

yea i didint understand that either? i would of act the way i did and accept and and be thankfull for the risk free buzzy while on probation

I understand where you're coming from bro, I've never been on probation so I've never had to look for alternatives. Like I said, I'm glad it put a smile on your face.

If you were legal though I'd probably question you a little more....;)

[imalgen]

yeah I am hoping to try some synthetic cannabinoids they sound very interesting. which jwh compound is the most potent?


Depends. I have tried the ones i mentioned previously in this thread (JWH - 200, 018, 073). 200 is by far the most potent analgesic of the bunch. ZERO pain relief from 073 and 018.

But from a pharmacological standpoint(from what i have read) 018 is the most potent, then 200 then 073. - I believe that was from being compared to delta-9 in regards to cb1/cb2 agonizing.

Since when does someone need to be on probation to want to research new chemicals? :confused:
Being on the bleeding edge of this psychonautical culture some of us live in is quite rewarding, id hate to be prejudiced against one chemical and not the other.

Saying a synthetic cannabinoid is fake, lame or should get you punched in the face...well...what the hell does that even mean? Firstly, you probably wouldnt roll a joint of spice gold, as you dont need anywhere near that large of an amount to get full effects - just a tiny pinch. Secondly, it may taste like shit, but your grower buddies would ask what the fuck strain it was and if it was even weed at all, but they would be high so why would they care? I think they would be interested in whatever was producing such profound effects. And why would you pass someone a joint/bowl filled with something they didnt know? Doesnt seem like a nice prank to pull on someone, as i know ive hit a few different things without knowing what was on the bowl(once at age 14 it was pcp. woops! that was a strange day!) and its not very fun to be surprised by the sky falling and your skin dissolving. :D

Or are they/you prejudiced against synthetics? So im assuming your all natural pot growing hippy friends are all organic, and im assuming you would never, ever consume methadone or anything like that right? Just strictly organically farmed poppies raw right? :rolleyes: Sorry, i just think the "racism" towards synthetics is fucking silly, ESPECIALLY at THIS forum! :p

[Papa Verine]

I understand everybody's point here. Me, personally, they're all just chemicals to me. If I like cannabinoid receptor agonists, I like cannabinoid receptor agonists. I'm sure some variences a little more or less but whatever... I like mu-Opioid receptor agonists... and I'll take ANY mu-Opioid receptor agonist you got. I don't care if it came from a plant in the rain forest or the scrapings off the floor behind a public toilet.

Well... wait a minute, since I put it like that...

[imalgen]

I understand everybody's point here. Me, personally, they're all just chemicals to me. If I like cannabinoid receptor agonists, I like cannabinoid receptor agonists. I'm sure some variences a little more or less but whatever... I like mu-Opioid receptor agonists... and I'll take ANY mu-Opioid receptor agonist you got. I don't care if it came from a plant in the rain forest or the scrapings off the floor behind a public toilet.

Well... wait a minute, since I put it like that...

What kinda toilet? :p

[30_Units]

Personally, I got massive GI pain relief from 18. Having not tried 73 or 200, I cannot attest.

I can however attest to 18's reputation as a pure 'sativaesque' experience were it a strain of pot. My one buddy on here got too high and basically got into a psychedelic state-and I found myself there several times. Nodding, with complete real-live movies being played start to finish in my head, wake up, been two minutes, rinse, repeat.

I loved it, he personally got a lil' too high. Mighta' been all the phenazepam I was on, which if I may interject, SUCKS. Like ativan with double the half-life of valium. I know resorcinol was hoping it to be like his favorite, bromazepam, but it was nothing of the sort.

Long lasting ativan with increased deleriant effects.

Sorry for the hijacking.

[dieselbaby]

I found JWH-018 to have some analgesic properties as well...I think that the 018 is the strongest, in terms of psychological effects as well. If you had to go with just ONE to try out, I think that would have to be it.

[Paregoric Kid]

yeah I plan on trying jwh-018 and 200 in pure form. till then I think I will try a pack of spice "incense".

[imalgen]

Long lasting ativan with increased deleriant effects.
I just puked a little in my mouth. Glad i didnt open that fucking vial last night and start dabbling. haha

Man, i havent got any analgesic effect from 018 - well, i guess thats not true. It did help gastro but i wasnt paying attention to that until you mentioned it right now. The 200 gave me obvious pain relief for my back, but sadly short acting. Hmmm, time for a scoop of 018 right now then.

Anyone else notice how crap these are when taken orally? Sublingual has proved to not be enough kick as well. I have read about transdermal application, specifically for gastro motility issues. I might just have to stir some in some carrier oil and giving myself the rub down ;)

[dieselbaby]

If you want my recommendations on types of 'spice' to try, here they are (the actual smoking blends):

-Fire & Ice (highly recommended)
-Pulse (highly recommended)
-Tribe (very good)
-Serenity Now (very good)
-Spice Arctic Synergy (very good)

I recommend either the Fire & Ice or the Pulse...Tribal Warrior Ultimate (if you can find it) is also a very good blend, although that's more of an 'indica' type blend that I don't prefer. The Fire & Ice/Pulse are both speedy-type blends, more 'sativa-ish' with a nice body load. I buy my shit from www.spike99store.com (http://www.spike99store.com) - they have always done me right (mods/admins please remove if you have to, I am not trying to break any source rules, this shit is legal)

[Chemical_Boy]

Thank god I'm good looking...
But one day, I'll be old and fat, and I'll need money to get chicks interested.
When that day comes, I'll mix some crushed Tylenol PM and Oregano, call it "ELEUSIS DREAMSPICE" and buy some ads in High Times.
Cause people that read High Times are either high enough to buy anything, or desperate enough to buy anything.
I'll be known as the "Crushed Tylenon PM and Oregano-King", marry a crazy stripper who's only after my money, and move to my own private island in the Bahamas.
Damn, I can't wait!


I will take a half (insert standard quantity here).

This sounds like some good shit!

[TrackStar0420]

I didnt have time to read thru everyone's responses/posts, but the first couple seemed somewhat negative.

I'll just say that my good friend is on probation (its called drug court, and is inredicbly strict including drug tests at least every week) And he smokes the stuff and has not once came back positive.

I trust him very much, and I know he knows his shit. So when I saw him smoking "fake buds" I started dogging on him asking if drug court really got to him, etc. He told me it produced a high 90% the same as some good buds. So I tried it, and agree it's very similar to good weed, just lacking in the taste.

Overall I would only recommend it for people who cannot find real weed, or who are on probation. It is more expensive and doesn't taste nearly as good as the real thing. But could be your saving grace if your pee is being extracted for testing by the man,

[30_Units]

I remember being all fucked up on a three day binge of 100mg of phenazepam, and just pouring the 18 over an oatmeal cookie and just smashing it all together. Was like like highest I'd ever been from oral weed, and I think the only reason I was so chill through it all was the massive amounts of benzos i was on. A friend I gave just a little too much to got pretty much the highest he'd ever been and was really dysphoric and uncomfortable. I feel really bad about that. Sorry Blackman. I just wanted you to feel as good as I was feeling.

make sure you're the kind who can control their benzos too, imalgen. I had been doing great with benzo pills as of late, but that pure powder DESTROYED my inhibitions. doing 600mg 18, 1/8of killer dank and 100mg of phenazepam until it was all gone is something I only EVER seem to be able to do while on benzo binges.

(this behaviour is in no way condonable. I'm ashamed like a motherfucker I can't control my usage better, I fucked a whole lot of trust things up with my family that I HAD HAD been going really well under control lately. I'm so fucking ashamed of myself.

Now I'm broke, extracting the estimated 10-20mg of residue out of the pen tube I used to vape the 18, which thankfully because of it's low dose, will help me out a few times at least.

Please be careful with that phenazepam. It's like crack in its worthlessness.

I guess at least if I can't be a teacher, a terrible warning will suffice.

[imalgen]

haha, yeah, thanks for the headsup!

That vial is already gone, as of a couple hours ago. I have not and will not try any phenazepam now lol and do not really like dem benzos anyways, less it be mulungu, linden or carob ;)

:D

[Paregoric Kid]

just tried some of the spice, think it was the tropical synergy kind. wonder if its jwh-018 or what exactly. very interesting potentials as an opioid AND cannabinoid potentiator. has anyone else tried this with opioids and/or with cannabis? seemed to boost a small amount of cannabis and 50mg of methadone.

[30_Units]

Boosted my bupe, but it was hard to tell because of all the phenazepam.

[imalgen]

just tried some of the spice, think it was the tropical synergy kind. wonder if its jwh-018 or what exactly. very interesting potentials as an opioid AND cannabinoid potentiator. has anyone else tried this with opioids and/or with cannabis? seemed to boost a small amount of cannabis and 50mg of methadone.

No noticeable effect with too small amount of hydrocodone. hahaha Mixed with cannabis is definitely interesting, adds a way broader and spacier feel. I should have a better grasp on opi potentiation in a couple days (fucking hopefully couple days max LOL).

Im not positive, but i think tropical synergy contained JWH-073 and CP47,497, but i should try and find the source of that information tomorrow. I do know it had at least 2 different indoles in it.

[dieselbaby]

The Tropical Synergy tastes pretty nasty and is pretty weak in my opinion. What's in it is anyone's guess, but there's most likely some novel homologue of CP 47,497 according to a lot of sites online.

[SeVeN]

I just wanted to add that due to drug testing I have bought these "herbal mixes" and they do get you high.

Some are better than others but they do work. The problem is that while they are legal they are WAY more expensive than buying even really good pot. It's fucking rediculous.

[KoDeInaaaae]

They are way expensive but they do fuck u up but i can go through a gram of the stuff in a day so i dont even no if it is worth it...

I have been doing this spice that my local headshop just recieved called dragon smoke,its comes in a plastic rectangle in diff colors depending on the strength..

[imalgen]

Yes, the shitty store blends are very very overpriced. But the actual chemicals used IN the blends are quite cheap. The cost of a quad of kush will last a good month if dispersed yourself onto your own substrate miiiiix. Raspberry leaf and mullein are both very cheap ;)

[KoDeInaaaae]

yea thats true but someone on craigslist is selling 3 grams of spice gold for 60 and thats the price of 2 grams of random brand..i rather go with that tryed and true spice gold so i might do that...

i thought u were talking about buying JWH-whatever number i can get/want and buying bluelilly and spraying it with the JWH mix and saving a hella money because that would be like 7 dollers a 8th. I read a TEK earlier on it. Maybe cost me 120 for the whole thing and a copious ammount of homemade guaranteed quality of Spice

[dieselbaby]

i thought u were talking about buying JWH-whatever number i can get/want and buying bluelilly and spraying it with the JWH mix and saving a hella money because that would be like 7 dollers a 8th. I read a TEK earlier on it. Maybe cost me 120 for the whole thing and a copious ammount of homemade guaranteed quality of Spice

Doing that will be very cheap and save you lots of money in the long run. $60 for an 8th of Spice Gold is ridiculous. Spice Gold isn't even that great as far as blends go, it's just really popular because it was the first one that people realized 'worked' like it was supposed to. At the site that I linked to above, you can get the strongest blend on the market (Samurai Spirit) for $57 for 3 grams. While some people might find that expensive, I challenge anyone, seasoned weed aficionado or not, to smoke some of that Samurai Spirit and tell me that they didn't get absolutely fucking MANSONED...that shit straight gutters you, way stronger than any strain of cannabis.

[30_Units]

I was pretty much weed tripping on 18 applied to cannabis, all that means is the chemical has that ability when consumed liberally, whether on "samurai sixty bucks for 100mg of chemical blend" or G's of pure chem you apply yourself.

Blends are ripoffs and I simply don't understand why anyone would buy one.

And tbh-don't we avoid links to vendor sites? That should likely be taken down, no offense.

[KoDeInaaaae]

no clue i thought it was just for research chemicals thats when u cant supply a source..but im glad u cant post one cause i want that to stay online. But yea im thinkin about trying that and i can prolly sell some to the local headshops that fucked me and undercut the comepetition lol doubt its legal but sounds nice

[duck]

Doing that will be very cheap and save you lots of money in the long run. $60 for an 8th of Spice Gold is ridiculous. Spice Gold isn't even that great as far as blends go, it's just really popular because it was the first one that people realized 'worked' like it was supposed to. At the site that I linked to above, you can get the strongest blend on the market (Samurai Spirit) for $57 for 3 grams. While some people might find that expensive, I challenge anyone, seasoned weed aficionado or not, to smoke some of that Samurai Spirit and tell me that they didn't get absolutely fucking MANSONED...that shit straight gutters you, way stronger than any strain of cannabis.

like, gutters in a good way?

[KoDeInaaaae]

i suppose so lol it sounds like in a good way. i fi were to do my own mix i would get a diff number then-018 also...its kinda like Roll Your Own tobacco lol find the right mix

[scikid]

I enjoy using blends, actually prefer certain parts of the "stone" to cannabis (way less anxiety), but cannabis is the best overall.

People often smoke way to much of it. Most stuff only requires a small bowl of it.

[jacky]

I hate these spice alike blends...

and I dont want people mentioning specific brand names here,...it gives shitty companies free advertising.

and alot of these blends do not list the adulterant research chemicals that they are using to bolster the activity of the herb blends, for companies like that...well...fuck you, unscientific and stupid moves on the part of greedy dipshits that give the entheogen and ethnobotanical industry a bad fucking name.

discuss JWH compounds all you want...but make NO mention of the bogus branding that these companies are pushing.

one of these days someone is going to start adulterating these blends with chemicals that are either going to kill someone, or make them very sick.

cannabis is an amazing substance, Jwh compounds are NOT cannabis.

anyway, I know that some people like these smoking blends...personally, I could give a crap.
I have nothing against companies/people selling Jwh compounds for what they are, as research chemicals, but any company/individual selling herb blends, and using jwh compounds or any other research chemical without correctly labeling their products as such are fucked.

I agree that cannabanoid pharmacology is amazing...and I do think that its very important that synthetic and natural sourced cannabanoids are researched and even popularlized on the fine chemical market/grey area marketing.....
I see a real place for compounds of this nature for people that are on parole/probation, or who have a job that regularly does drug testing.
I think the more active agonists that we have available...the more likely that cannabis will be tolerated more and more...

if a company markets a blend of herbs, lists the ingredients, and also lists the active research chemical that is being used...that is great...more power to them....but we still dont allow sources and branding to be used here.

I could have jumped on the bandwagon and joined in marketing these LACED smoking blends myself...if I would have...I would probably be making upwards of 60 K a year.....
but I think its dishonest, and stupid...I didnt get into ethnobotany to market synthetics to kids and morons and parolee's.
I could have allowed some of these companies to advertise here at opiophile....I was approached by a few...
but I look on that part of the "industry" and companies selling legal high pill blends with unlisted ingredients as an opportunistic fly by night junkshops.

anyway, I am sure you all get the point.

there is a few companies approaching this type of thing honestly...I wont mention them here...but they are using fatty acid amide cannabanoids on their smoking blends....this approach is interesting...their products might not be as potent as the adulterated blends....but I think those compounds are going to be tolerated for longer than the synthetic cannabanoids .

I have nothing against synthetics per se....but I think many of these companies market their products as "natural" blends...and most of them are anything but.

originally this all started by someone taking Jonathon Ott's list of cannabis substitutes, and making a smoke blend that contained pretty much every plant on that list.
the smoking blend that resulted was pretty interesting...more active like a benzo than a cannabanoid....
this company did the right thing, and listed their ingredients.
within months other companies followed suite, and produced their own blends....
and this is when the adulterations started...
to make their products stand out against the crowd, surfescant products, and research chemicals were added surpetisiously until even the originators were adding JWH and other compounds to their products.
its human greed at work, and totally understandable.

thanks!

[30_Units]

Thanks for not advertising the spice-alikes here, Jacky. Hella' responsible. Spice, and all those blends, are only going to get the cannabinoids I've grown to love scheduled sooner, as we've seen happen in the UK.

It disgusts me. It was the same with people selling AMT and 5-meo-dipt as ecstasy-one company that comes to mind pre-pressing those chems into tablets for sale online.

Incredibly sad.

[dieselbaby]

I think that it's smart not to allow any advertising of spice-type products on here, however, what's the point of disallowing brand name discussion? I don't think that's a decision grounded in the spirit of harm reduction, Jacky. I'm a fan of freedom of information and I think that you should be allowed to discuss anything on this site (or any site for that matter, I'm not trying to tell you how to run Opiophile) without fear of some zealous moderator censoring your post or something similar. Wouldn't you rather have a potential user of a spice product (or a similar type of product) be knowledgeable regarding which blends contain synthetic cannabinoids, which ones don't, which ones are safe, which ones are a rip-off, etc. People are going to smoke these anyway and they will certainly be banned regardless of consumption by the general public - disallowing discussion of these blends on here won't have an impact beyond the possible negative consequences outlined in my post.

[jacky]

the point of not allowing brand name discussion is that I have seen this type of thing lead quickly to a website being used for product review and product reports.

these companies dont have anyones best interest in mind....its all profit that I can see. if these companies were listing the full ingredients...great....but in most cases it seems they are not.

as this whole trend is relatively new, I dont want opiophile to become a hotspot for smoking blend discussion.

the people that make these blends are making enough money that they can afford to create forums specifically for the discussion of their blends.

I dont mind people talking about a blend of herbs....but it must be spoken of regarding only the ingredients.
the problem is, that most people dont know the full ingredient list of the substance that they are talking about when it comes to these blends....

naming a specific product by name allows people to review specific products...and allows the website to be used for purposes that I did not forsee for opiophile.org.

If you like said blend...that is great, talk about it all you want......but dont mention brand names.

if you want more examples of this type of approach I am taking...go over to entheogen.com and read through their rules for discussion of vendors...in a sticky thread called "the Spice-alike Wars are over"
what happened at that website is that all of the sudden the vendors forum was full of people discussing smoking blends....most of the time they referred only to the new brand name, and most of the time, none of the blends were fully disclosing ingredients.
it quickly became a competition, with infighting and a bunch of bullshit drama.

I DONT have a problem with people discussing psychoactive research chemicals here...but we dont allow people to discuss that in reference to brand names.

I really cannot stand this smoking blend trend...its distasteful to me that companies hide ingredients of products that people are either abusing or using for whatever purpose.
now it seems that the same players are using research chemicals to fortify their kratom blends.

its a stupid game of moving a substance in the name of pure capitalistic greed, whatever way possible to make a sale.

I really could give a shit about someones experience with a vague blend of herbs, when its impossible for us to know what is the psychoactive component is?
what JWH compound is being used in any said blend?
I dont know, the consumer doesnt know, the only one who really knows is the company doing the adulterating and or someone that has technical equipment to do research.

some companies it seems are using illegal cannabanoids already scheduled....cannabanoids that are not scheduled, and using products made for the soap/surfacing industry like oleamide and related fatty acid type compounds...

when a person makes a review of such a product, I think its relatively useless to the scientific community, because who knows what is really being consumed here?
so the review has little meaning to anyone, except for people that either want to market the product, or for people searching for sources.

I really dont understand why people are paying so much for these blends, when most of them contain substances that are still available on the fine chemical/research chemical market for fraction of the price.
one is literally paying for a brand name, and the ease of already having said substance metered on a product...
what the concentration is, what the actual compound is, what the solvent used is...is anyones guess.

when the research chemical market was going strong you didnt see people taking herbal blends and adulterating them with phenylethylamines and tryptamines and calling it some brand name product like "fairy dust"....
people bought chemicals hoping that the company was being honest and the laboratory that produced them knew what they were doing. they bought the chemical from an online source for the most part, and hoped that it was one step better than buying some non descript pill on the street that might not even contain the compound that it was claimed it contained.

before this smoking blend trend, we still didnt want people mentioning brand names unless they were talking about a medication.

people can talk about the source of their kratom, and if the kratom is from a new area, for example, if someone is growing kratom in mexico, and they are the only people to be growing kratom in mexico, then they stand to benefit from the discussion of mexican sources kratom at this website. as soon as more sources in mexico start popping up, that becomes less relevant.
if we allowed the discussion of brand names, I imagine that companies..at least some, would start brand naming their kratom product.
some places are already creating brand name kratom products. some companies have started fortifying their kratom with kratom alkaloids, and claiming its natural content. it seems the same is happening with mimosa products too...people are extracting DMT and creating super strength mimosa root by mixing DMT into the rootbark powder, at least this is what I have been told.

in the perfect world, we could talk about anything we want, and we could consume anything we want.
what gets me, is that few countries have taken moves against the range of JWH substances......yet these companies still wont fully disclose to their customers what the products contain.
its shady shit...and pretty much, undefendable....
to the rest of the world, it looks pretty bad.
and I think it creates a scenario where many ethnobotanical/entheogen vendors are going to become suspect.

at entheogen.com, people can still use the private messages to communicate stuff that isnt allowed in the forums.....since members have abused our private message system so much that we had to end that liability, it is hard for members here to discuss things like this.

[jacky]

as far as the spirit of harm minimization goes.....

I really doubt that the use of any of these blends constitutes minimizing the "harm" that comes from people abusing or using cannabis.

encouraging people to trust for profit companies that dont fully disclose the chemicals that they adulterate supposed all natural blends of herbs with seems like a step backwards to me....

labeling products as plant food, when they may or may not be healthy for your plants, is merely subversive, transgressive behaviour that no one is going to remember anyone well for.

I do see the point of trying to minimize the authorities role in saying if a product is legal or not...labeling something as anything but a food or dietary supplement is a desperate action, to mislead the general public and authorities by mislabeling...understandable to me, as I feel myself as an underdog in the larger drug war scenario myself, but its also a move that I dont think is sustainable.
its for short term protection and profit.

that these companies were so quickly found out in the modern age of chemistry was not a suprise to me.

I think the whole thing would be better if everyone just ordered the JWH compounds as is, in near pure form.

I will be honest and let you all know that a few years ago I was testing some smoke blends that were being produced...they were not created by the same people that are producing the JWH and other chemical laced blends....none of these blends contained synthetics other than the trace amounts of solvents used to produce them.
I had a scenario where I almost had to go to the hospital because I smoked some of these "test blends", and I could barely breathe for the rest of the night.
I had to get up at 4 am and go buy some emergency asthma product to open my lungs up.
through the grapevine I heard that the creator of similiar blends actually had to go to the hospital themselves.
around the same time, a person I communicate with, almost killed themselves by accidentally taking a huge overdose of kratom alkaloids. they were lucky to live, as a person trained in CPR had to give them life saving CPR for nearly 45 minutes.
that year I really took stock on these happenings. I decided I was not going to involve myself with trying to help create any of these smoking blends...I also decided I was not going to profit anymore, by the sale of pure amounts of kratom alkaloids in single unit sizes that contained more than 100 milligrams per unit. doing so might protect me in the future from some civil suit, and also not entangle me in the questionable action of selling products to people for reasons other than they are really being used for.

the whole entheogen/ethnobotanical industry is possible because of liability statements.
that these liability statements are mainly for the protection of the seller, rather than the protection of the buyer, is well known.

at one point I wanted help from a chemist in helping me isolate mesaconitine from an aconite species...so that I could more safely meter the dose I was going to research.
aconite is a dangerous plant....mesaconitine is a compound that would be nice to know exactly how much you are taking when researching it via bioassay.
well, because the chemist knew I was involved with the ethnobotanical business, they refused to do any extraction work for me...mainly because they were worried that I would go and resell the material.
possibly they might have worried about this new smoking blend phenom.
people want potent substances to give their products an edge.

at some point, this whole issue starts sounding ALOT like the patent medicine business of the early century.
people were selling morphine and codeine as childrens medicines among others...they did not list content, they didnt even list the average dose of active ingredients...shit, they didnt list crap, but a bunch of shitty advice.
people died from these so called medicines.
they were illegalized after a time...and thus the FDA was created.

well, we created a monster...for our own good in the beginning...
now we know the FDA makes mistakes, and breaks their own rules, and even attempts to cover their actions up.

with the smoking blend issue, we have compounds that are not even being controlled yet on a global scale...maybe in a few countries now, like the UK...but yet these smoking blend companies dont want to divulge their secrets.
its bullshit in my opinion.

if you want to do this type of marketing on the street level...so be it...things are bad enough with the drug war, and the authorities have mostly themselves to blame for outcomes like this...but I see no reason to support the sale of these non descript blends.

on a humorous note, I also want to poke fun at the names these people come up with to sell their blends...its fucking silly anyone agree?
I mean, come on....give me a break.

there are some companies selling smoke blends that I have faith in.
a few of these companies exist....but the smoke blend thing is not their main game.
they are mainly ethnobotanical companies....that general sell their wares as raw materials. without hype, sold only by scientific names, and sometimes sold also under the common folk names.
but generally they do not market substances under brand names...except for their smoking blends.
to be fair...some of these companies are not being totally consistant...some of their blends are not fully divulged either...and in some forums that dont allow this type of discussion, I see also that some companies are given more chances than others to advertise their wares.

months ago I decided I wanted to distance myself from that scene.....it offers short term kicks for the masses...but inevitably I think it just shows how desperate people are to buck the system, and how desperate people are to make a buck.

of course the consumer only wants a product that is legal, or isnt searchable via urinalysis, that is also active.
for people that rely on these smoke blends as their only psychoactive smoke blend, I feel for you.
I understand that some people are on parole or probation, and that these blends offer them something that very few others can...well...except for a multitude of companies and individuals that are selling the product for what it is.
that is the key point here, all of these products are using substances that for the most part, are already being sold for alot less money by companies that market them by fully divulging to the consumer what they are getting.

anyway, the point is now moot.
I just plain dont want brand names.

continue discussing synthetic cann. blends for/as what they are....either fully divulge the ingredients without mentioning branding, including mentioning active synthetics involved (if known)...or just refer to them as a general adulterated herbal blend.

its a bit comparable to people dusting weed with angel dust in my opinion.
I have heard of some real bad reactions and hospital visits already due to these blends. and I have seen companies and forums selling these materials try and hush these events up. they will also censor their own websites/forums from anybody discussing any attitude against their practices.

for all I know some owner of one of these companies has been sending me much needed donations to keep the site running...but that doesnt mean that I am going to get in bed with them.
unless they want to buy opiophile.org and make me a rich man.....my attitude probably wont change.

thanks for your opinions though dieselbaby...its appreciated.