Getting an endless supply by processing one's urine?

[Spork]

I had this idea, if we were to extract the opioid metabolites out of urine, like morph glucourinide and reprocessed them backt =o their origiinal state...

Someone chemically inclined, is this possible?

[dieselbaby]

Anyone skilled enough to attempt such an extraction would obviously also be intelligent enough to not waste their time. They could just synthesize something else way easier.

[Shadowsblaze]

Just put a straw in your pecker, that should work. Or a surgical tube for when your on the go, speaking of, gotta go lol.

[Spork]

I mean it sounds like the body metabolizes drugs like morphine very easily, conjugating them with an acid, so if we added a base to the urine, wouldn't SOME morphine freebase precipitate out? Something? Anyone with chem knowledge about this?

Look at this molecule, tell me there isn't a full healthy morphine backbone RIGHT there? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morphine-6-glucuronide

[poonwhalla]

just piss on your spork add baking soda or ammonia and put a lighter under it and cook for 2-3 minutes until you see crystals forming, strain, dry,then add water and shoot. On a side note that is why I wear a diaper to catch all my pee. I then save them in zip locks and freeze then thaw out and strain for my rainy day tinkle fix.

[EleusisII]

As DB said... If you're skilled enough to do it, you're skilled enough to synthesize fentanyl or morphine without having to piss in cups.

Morphine actually isn't that hard to make, if you have access to codeine (Which should be easy)

Now how about you get in that lab, instead of bothering the rest of us with inane questions about your piss? ;)

[oxy kid]

Agreed, if your smart enough to do that, you'll be doing something easier. There was a guy that came and spoke when I was in inpatient that spoke, he had a couple phd's and some kinda crazy degree in organic chemistry, and he was talking about while he was a grad asst. at whatever university he was at, all the professors just gave him the keys to the chem lab, and he could go whenever he wanted. He said he would go in and make himself massive shots of H, meth, and steroids, all rolled into one. So I'm sure he wouldn't wanna roll around in pee trying to figure it out. But it was a good question though, I guess it could be possible.

[edhorfin]

just piss on your spork add baking soda or ammonia and put a lighter under it and cook for 2-3 minutes until you see crystals forming, strain, dry,then add water and shoot. On a side note that is why I wear a diaper to catch all my pee. I then save them in zip locks and freeze then thaw out and strain for my rainy day tinkle fix.

Save those cottons!

[Woody Bear]

No, saving your urine to extract doesn't work. This is because through the process called metabolisation your body changes the opioids into other chemicals, some of these may be active other's are inactive, these chemicals maybe be further broken down or excreted unchanged.

Extracting your urine only works well, with chemicals in which the active agent isn't substantially metabolised by your body. So for Amanita muscaria mushrooms and mescaline, saving your urine is worthwhile. But for opiates it's not.

But then even if it is worth saving your urine, processing it is a very time and energy intensive process. You can't do an acid-base extraction on urine, because all the other compounds form an emulsion, so the solvent/urine layers don't separate. So in order to extract your urine, it must be totally dehydrated first. So you need to vacuum distill all the water out first. This takes a lot of time, and energy so drinking the urine to extend the trip would be much more efficient then saving and extracting it.

Extracting morphine from pods doesn't take that long, and converting morphine into other opiates doesn't take too much time either. But when you do chemistry, you need to process enough material to make it worth your time. It might take 1 week to get from pods to ready to use hydromorphone or heroin, so you'd have to make sure that you'd get at least 20 good doses out of all your work.

But with urine, at best you'd get 70% of the original dose out. So to make it worthwhile processing all of it, you'd need to save up a minimum of 30 doses. This takes a lot of space, and trying to vacuum distill 25 litres of urine would take several days at least. That is why processing urine is just not worthwhile from a time perspective.

[WhyCatsPaint]

This one has been discussed before which I believe the answer seems to be the same.

http://forum.opiophile.org/showthread.php?t=22511 (http://forum.opiophile.org/showthread.php?t=22511)

My thoughts are still the same there is no way I would even want to try sort of like extracting last night dinner from one's own shit.... I highly doubt it would be the same.

[Uncle Wiggly]

Let's put this one to bed.