IM morphine!

[EleusisII]

Good news everyone!I

I've written about an, ehm junkie-childhood dream of mine, trying IM morphine a couple of times, and every time people comment on all the nasty infections an IM-shot would most likely give me.

I think Ive found a solution though! Guess what's available in the pharmacies...

A nice, sweet little morphine solution for injecting with 20mg pr. ml!

http://www.medicin.dk/images/webgrafik/pipgrafik/73.gifAP4inj.væ., opl. 20 mg/ml12412310 plastamp. a 1 ml101,5015,22http://www.medicin.dk/images/webgrafik/pipgrafik/73.gifAP4inj.væ., opl. 20 mg/ml5139111 htgl. a 10 ml36,905,53http://www.medicin.dk/images/webgrafik/pipgrafik/73.gifAP4inj.væ., opl. 20 mg/ml821981 htgl. a 50 ml131,353,94

I even got a perfect coverstory on why exactly I would need to buy incectable morphine... Me and a couple of friends are going hiking in northern Norway, close to the polar circle, and we need it for our first aid kit!

It seems however, that you can get it either as 10 1mg plastic ampoules, or 1 glass ampule with either 10 ml or 50 ml. (Yowza! The later one is a whole 1000 mg of injctable morphine!!!)

Which one would be more sanitary and less risky? I assume the ten little plastic ampoules?

Now I just have to figure out where to get an IM needle and how to do IM shots, an I'm set!
BTW... 20mg IM morphine equals around 100mg PO, right?

[nick]

Jesus,you've got to 30 without playing with works-why start now?

[More Feen]

Decent Idea--

The Multi-dose vials are a good idea--as long as you wipe the top with alcohol (let it evaporate naturally--don't blow on it).

If you're worried about contamination--get the ampules.

You don't need special needles for an IM injection--in fact, this is one time where a 30-g needle actually works for me, since I don't need a flashback (register).

Although,
Hospital techniques for an IM inject: Stick needle in muscle (avoid nerves, tendons, arteries & veins) deltoid & gluteus are prime choices--deltoid is easiest for self-administration.

After needle is in, pull back slightly on the plunger--if nothing comes back into syringe (blood) then you should be in the muscle (not an artery or vein).

Push slowly. They say (whoever "they" are) that you shouldn't inject more than 1mL at a time, I've pushed it to 1.5 --2--but it can be painful.

Ideally, if you want more than 1 mL, then just tap both shoulders (deltoids). 20mg/mL is fairly concentrated, it will burn a little.

Don't worry about abcesses, if your drug is meant for IV, it should be okay to IM, or SQ it, just use a clean needle.

BTW, only time I think about re-using a needle is after an IM injection since nothing is going back into the syringe, it can be rinsed (sterile saline) and the needle wiped with ethanol.

Best of luck,

M F

[chopstix]

Jesus,you've got to 30 without playing with works-why start now?

+1 - Not trying to sound like Mommy, but if you start fucking around with needles, *nothing* else will ever compare, whether or not IV..

I've actually hit a point where I kinda prefer a big IM shot to an IV shot - the come up is a little slower, but it lasts a lot longer, and I get just as loaded.

Mixing the games you run with needles is a bad idea IMHO..

[Nonphixion]

+1 - Not trying to sound like Mommy, but if you start fucking around with needles, *nothing* else will ever compare, whether or not IV..

+1 nicely said. Needles become bad news really quick...

[JonnyMohawk]

+1 - Not trying to sound like Mommy, but if you start fucking around with needles, *nothing* else will ever compare, whether or not IV..

I've actually hit a point where I kinda prefer a big IM shot to an IV shot - the come up is a little slower, but it lasts a lot longer, and I get just as loaded.

Mixing the games you run with needles is a bad idea IMHO..


Im going to have to respectfully disagree Chops my man, although I have never IV injected something, I got my hands on some liquid D, and I IM'ed that into the muscle of me upper arm, it was good but it didn't come close to the best high I have ever had... That being said I completely do not condone ANYONE sticking a needle into themselves.

Just my experience.

[duck]

Jesus,you've got to 30 without playing with works-why start now?

-1

Not trying the needle doesn't lessen your chances of getting addicted to the needle

[chopstix]

Im going to have to respectfully disagree Chops my man, although I have never IV injected something, I got my hands on some liquid D, and I IM'ed that into the muscle of me upper arm, it was good but it didn't come close to the best high I have ever had... That being said I completely do not condone ANYONE sticking a needle into themselves.

Just my experience.

Dilaudid doesn't count, too short acting :) - and if you've never had an IV shot, it's kinda hard to be objective about this subject..

A big IM shot of H is really a pretty nice, long, extended rush where IV is a nice rush, but over pretty quick..

@Duck - so how do you get addicted to the needle without using one?

[bodytec]

Jesus,you've got to 30 without playing with works-why start now?

exactly,exactly

[euphoricontin17]

As much as I hate the slogans so commonly tossed around on here, I have to agree with chops and a few others, only because I just recently fell into this trap. It was maybe 2 weeks ago that i postest about how dilaudid is great and how I'd only ever shoot that to keep it good etc. Yeah, well look at me, the epitome of self-control, as I used to like to think of myself. I shoot everything now. I can't help it. It happened so fucking fast i didn't even see it. Just wanted to TRY iv oxy see if it was worth it. Well now my former roa is " too much of a waste " when I could just bang it and get the most out of it. And I came across some morphine today.... well morph isn't even as strong as oxy so I HAVE TO shoot right, self? Yeah, buddy, you do. I know I sound dumb but i'm trying to capture the intellectual process here. 2 weeks. No lie man, thats how long it took. I swore up and down to everyone on this board it wouldn't happen to me. 14 days and my veins are already rock solid and and my arms, pincushions. Worst part of all is it feels like everythings still going fine, I don't even realize just how bad I'm getting. It fucks with you.

[duck]

Dilaudid doesn't count, too short acting :) - and if you've never had an IV shot, it's kinda hard to be objective about this subject..

A big IM shot of H is really a pretty nice, long, extended rush where IV is a nice rush, but over pretty quick..

@Duck - so how do you get addicted to the needle without using one?

if you're the kind of person who's going to shoot smack 5x a day, you're gonna try it. The kind of person who has the mental wrinkle that says its ok to shoot heroin all day, has the same wrinkle that won't listen to the bullshit about "just say no" just my opinion.

[bindegal]

Now I just have to figure out where to get an IM needle and how to do IM shots, an I'm set!


You can get it at apoteket, just ask for a 2ml syringe and a grå or orange needle.

But!! Why IM, and why morphine! Any thing over 30mg is likely to give you a nasty histamine reaction! I shot anything but morp (IV over 30mg anyway) is not even nice, is more like shotting vitriol!
I wont even tell you is how stupid is is to start shotting up, you know. If you don't like it is no worse it, and if you like it, it is even worse:rolleyes:

[Papa Verine]

IV it Eleusis, this is just silly...

[OpiateQueen]

How are you planning on getting it? Going to your dr and telling him u need it for your med kit cos you're going hiking?! Wouldn't he just laugh at you?! Is there some special reason why you would get it? Your profession or something?

[mikey5string]

Jesus,you've got to 30 without playing with works-why start now?


IM isnt really as addictive as IV since there is no rush. i think the needle addiction comes with the rush associated with IV use. thats not to say it not a slippery slope but theres a big difference betwen IV and IM. especially if its injectable form. plus morphine is much more effective IM.

i would use a larger needle, like a 22g, rather than a 28-30 IV.

[More Feen]

IM isnt really as addictive as IV since there is no rush. i think the needle addiction comes with the rush associated with IV use. thats not to say it not a slippery slope but theres a big difference betwen IV and IM. especially if its injectable form. plus morphine is much more effective IM.

i would use a larger needle, like a 22g, rather than a 28-30 IV.

^^ +1 ^^

swIm started with IM and maintained it for years. Its actions are much closer to an oral dose, except speeded up 12 X. Also, dosage is a lot lower (use IV/IM guidelines) [10mg-20mg are a good starting dose for IM, you can always go up].

You will still get a histamine response, but it won't be painful like an IV shot of the morph.

If you do not pull back on the plunger, you can occasionally hit a vein, you will know by the immediate sensation of pins & needles. If you accidently hit an artery, this will be bad--so try to always do a pullback. Usually, tapping an artery causes blood to flow back into the needle (without pulling back)--this depends on the gauge needle tho.

M F

[upstate_007]

IV it Eleusis, this is just silly...

Haha. That was my first thought as well.

If you're going to fuck around with needles anyway, might as well go right into the big leagues. You will eventually, whether you think so or not.

Bad idea my friend.

[mikey5string]

If you're going to fuck around with needles anyway, might as well go right into the big leagues. You will eventually, whether you think so or not.

.

not true.

[hovadagod]

IV it. That's what SWIM did when he got H for the first time.

[nick]

-1

Not trying the needle doesn't lessen your chances of getting addicted to the needle

Congrats,this is probably the dumbest post ever on opio and trust me,there have been some really dumb posts.

[nick]

IM isnt really as addictive as IV since there is no rush. i think the needle addiction comes with the rush associated with IV use. thats not to say it not a slippery slope but theres a big difference betwen IV and IM. especially if its injectable form. plus morphine is much more effective IM.

i would use a larger needle, like a 22g, rather than a 28-30 IV.

No shit Sherlock,but if you start IMing the chances you'll eventually start IVing are vastly increased.

Oh and considering IMing on the basis of a childhood dream............

[Papa Verine]

Haha. That was my first thought as well.

If you're going to fuck around with needles anyway, might as well go right into the big leagues. You will eventually, whether you think so or not.

Bad idea my friend.

Yeah, in the name of harm reduction I guess I should point out I was just kidding. But then I wasn't kidding. I had the same thought you did. If you're going to start IM'ing morphine you might as well just miss and accidentally hit a vein ya know?

[mikey5string]

No shit Sherlock,but if you start IMing the chances you'll eventually start IVing are vastly increased.

Oh and considering IMing on the basis of a childhood dream............


bullshit.

i dont have any actual numbers here but im going to venture to guess that the majority of IV dope users started out that way and didnt progress down the slippery slope of IM administration.

sounds like the gateway drug theory to me. remember the one they used to tell you about marijuana in 7th grade?

how "vastly increased" do you're chances become? is that just what you think? not that theres anything wrong with that, just dont go pushing it around as fact and prefacing responses to people who don't buy it with the 80's classic "no shit sherlock". it makes you sound like an asshole.

[Papa Verine]

Yeah, so what? It can go either way. Everybody's different. Some people are going to Follow the natural progression from IM to IV. You already got the needles, you got the morphine, you love opiates... the temptation is going to be there.

But, some people draw an important distinction between the two ROA's and won't IV the shit.

I think everybody's right this time. Nothing to argue about...

[nick]

bullshit.

i dont have any actual numbers here but im going to venture to guess that the majority of IV dope users started out that way and didnt progress down the slippery slope of IM administration.


As you say bullshit.I never said that the above wasn't true and of course it is,but he's not talking about IVing is he(yet)? The point is if you're in an enviroment with works......eventually you'll probably use one.

and yes,the cannabis gateway theory is crap,but that doesn't mean behavioural progression doesn't exsist.

[dieselbaby]

Haha. That was my first thought as well.

If you're going to fuck around with needles anyway, might as well go right into the big leagues. You will eventually, whether you think so or not.

Bad idea my friend.

***This^^^****

Please don't start this.

Hey btw: euphoricontin - watching the progression of your downward spiral has been kinda scary. Try to get off that needle train before it gets too late.

[More Feen]

As you say bullshit.I never said that the above wasn't true and of course it is,but he's not talking about IVing is he(yet)? The point is if you're in an enviroment with works......eventually you'll probably use one.

and yes,the cannabis gateway theory is crap,but that doesn't mean behavioural progression doesn't exsist.

swIm's own personal experience was a few years of IM-ing, with the occasional (accidental) IV (in the arm muscle--pins und schneedles).

It did lead to a mixture of the two eventually, usually started with a 15-mg IV for the immediacy, then a 15-30mg IM for the sustainability (or "legs" if I were to use the current vernacular).

M F

PS-- As a note, just 'cause the MS is in injectible format, does NOT rule out using it orally, you can measure-out a dose, squirt it into your coffee/OJ and drink it. If you can, you might want to stick to this route--less chance of f/u.

[OpiateQueen]

can someone tell me how hes so sure he's goonna get it??:confused::confused:

[GOLD N DIEMONDS]

can someone tell me how hes so sure he's goonna get it??:confused::confused:

WHY IS THIS so important to you???:confused:
may he will
maybe he will not
how is it you procure the extra methadone
or that occasional shot of H
Tis a big world , you know
you have legal prostitution there, correct?
well that is illegal in all ,but tiny place, in USA

What I am basically saying is if your smart and have some $$
lots of thing are very possible

shit was trying to stay out of thread casue I KNEW IT would be a cluster fuck of the evil of needle:rolleyes:
Thanks More Feen for SOLID ADVICE

[Tbird921]

can someone tell me how hes so sure he's goonna get it??:confused::confused:

I guess denmark has very relaxed views on RX'ing opiates and he's just gonna go to the pharmacy and say "hey can I get some morphine, ahhh meant for IV/IM, none of the fucking pills those won't work for............... UHHH.......... my FIRST AID KIT," you couldn't do that in the US or pretty much any country but maybe denmark differnt don't know. If so I'm moving to denmark.:D

[Thebane]

Maybe a very good relationship with a very trusting doc or doc whose a family friend or croaker.

[OpiateQueen]

WHY IS THIS so important to you???:confused:
may he will
maybe he will not
how is it you procure the extra methadone
or that occasional shot of H
Tis a big world , you know
you have legal prostitution there, correct?
well that is illegal in all ,but tiny place, in USA

What I am basically saying is if your smart and have some $$
lots of thing are very possible

shit was trying to stay out of thread casue I KNEW IT would be a cluster fuck of the evil of needle:rolleyes:
Thanks More Feen for SOLID ADVICE
its not that imp to me - i would ve assumed he was buying it or whatever but i thought i mustve missed somethin cos i don't know if you read the OP but he mentioned that it was at the pharmacy, and that his excuse was gonna be he needed it for a first aid kit...?!
BTW - we IM way more than 1ml in animals.. like smaller than us - dogs etc..
and never found the pins and needles thing that bad at all with iv morph.

[bodytec]

i.v. morphine is sooo good
is i.m. anywhere close?

[JTDuffet]

i will have to toss in my 2 cents... i started out sniffing for a couple weeks.. but soon i was IM.. i have allergies, so I was already getting needles. after about 2-3 months of using IM, i switched to IV. and now i shoot 4-5 times/day every day. I just had my 2 year anniversary.. 2 years of using dope every day (1.5 years of IV use, but thousands of injections)... if you add it all up.. it would make you sick the amounts... things just get out of control real quick when using the needle.. and the DOC wears off that much quicker. When you IM it does have better legs.. thats a fact.


-jt

[hovadagod]

I was thinking the same thing.

Congrats,this is probably the dumbest post ever on opio and trust me,there have been some really dumb posts.

[hovadagod]

Steroid users often turn to junk b/c they are used to IM'ing.

bullshit.

i dont have any actual numbers here but im going to venture to guess that the majority of IV dope users started out that way and didnt progress down the slippery slope of IM administration.

sounds like the gateway drug theory to me. remember the one they used to tell you about marijuana in 7th grade?

how "vastly increased" do you're chances become? is that just what you think? not that theres anything wrong with that, just dont go pushing it around as fact and prefacing responses to people who don't buy it with the 80's classic "no shit sherlock". it makes you sound like an asshole.

[mikey5string]

Steroid users often turn to junk b/c they are used to IM'ing.


there was a thread here regarding steroid use and it surprised the amount of people that had used them. i guess i just don't equate heroin use with body building. goes to show though, generalizations are just that.

if you asked everyone who rides a motorcycle if they rode a bicycle first most likely all of them would say yes. that doesn't mean everyone who rides a bicycle will eventually ride motorcycles. in fact it would only a small percentage. bad analogy? i dont know.

i guess it just reminds me of the gross exaggerations/generalizations regarding drug users ive heard all my life.

sorry to get off topic and im not trying to argue just saying what i feel. im going to leave it alone though.

in general, IV heroin is probably NOT a good idea in the grand scheme of things. :rolleyes:

[Nonphixion]

[QUOTE=mikey5string;431949]there was a thread here regarding steroid use and it surprised the amount of people that had used them. i guess i just don't equate heroin use with body building. goes to show though, generalizations are just that.
if you asked everyone who rides a motorcycle if they rode a bicycle first most likely all of them would say yes. that doesn't mean everyone who rides a bicycle will eventually ride motorcycles. in fact it would only a small percentage. bad analogy? i dont know.

Not the best analogy, sorry man...

Quick question for you tho... Have you ever used a needle? I know you said you had liquid dillie? Is that correct? or am I wrong...

[Woody Bear]

It seems however, that you can get it either as 10 1mg plastic ampoules, or 1 glass ampule with either 10 ml or 50 ml. (Yowza! The later one is a whole 1000 mg of injctable morphine!!!)

Which one would be more sanitary and less risky? I assume the ten little plastic ampoules?
The way it works, is that you can have single use vials, or multidose vials. Single use vials don't have to have preservative, but you have to use them within one use period, say once you open it, then you can't close it and store it for another day, because of bacterial contamination. Generally single use vials are used up in no more than a couple hours.

Multidose vials have to have a preservative, but even then, once the septum has been penetrated for the first time, they can be stored no longer than a month. Also mercury based preservatives are quite common, they are starting to get phased out, but it's still in use.

Anything that comes in contact with open air is no longer sterile, and you'll have to inject air into a vial, as well as drawing the liquid out. Otherwise the pressure difference makes it difficult to draw the liquid out. So outside air gets inside multi-use vials, and that's why a preservative is necessary, and why they don't stay good much past a month after you withdraw the first dose.

Basically, the best storage vials are single use, because there's no point in getting a multi-dose vial if you aren't going to use all the drug up with-in a one month period.

So the 10 x 1 mg morphine ampules would be the best, apart from the fact that the dosage is so low, that even using all 10 for a 10 mg dose is not going to get you that high. And with the larger vials, it's not clear if they are single use or multi-dose vials. The 10 and 50 mL sizes can be multi-dose, or single use for preparing a day's worth of medication by injecting it into a sterile saline IV drip bag.

[GOLD N DIEMONDS]

Steroid users often turn to junk b/c they are used to IM'ing.

REALLY- FUNNY I HEARD ALL DRUG ADDICTS GO TO HELL
REALLY ---swear to baby jesus @mikey5string, who is really making any sense);)

TRUTH be told, I have known dozens of riod users, 1/2 of them IVed Pharmaceutical grade injectable sterile pain meds. Most of the stuff is what many folks on the board would be loving for. NOT ONE riod user I knew was banging H. Just a whole different scene.

I was tapping me main vein long before IM riods in me butt.
and guess what happened to me? fuck horror of all horrors
I quietly put down the spike some, oh fuck 7-8 years ago
yeah I am still an addict to the bone- I know I will live me life as best I can
Being KIND to others is a top priority now with me
Do I miss the spike? sometime YEAH SURE
Lots of things I miss about me younger days
THE SPIKE IS ALWAYS THERE. just choose a different ROA now

You have to consider the millions of folks that have got an IM of morphine in ass
In a hospital or Doctors office, did THAT send them down this urban myth of "SLIPPERY SLOPE"?
honestly- NOPE! most all of us here slipped, jumped, or dove head first down that slope a long ago.



PS- I do realize most post here, however erroneous, are well intend,
but why not just answer EII question, LIKE More Feen;)

[mikey5string]

[QUOTE=mikey5string;431949]there was a thread here regarding steroid use and it surprised the amount of people that had used them. i guess i just don't equate heroin use with body building. goes to show though, generalizations are just that.
if you asked everyone who rides a motorcycle if they rode a bicycle first most likely all of them would say yes. that doesn't mean everyone who rides a bicycle will eventually ride motorcycles. in fact it would only a small percentage. bad analogy? i dont know.

Not the best analogy, sorry man...

Quick question for you tho... Have you ever used a needle? I know you said you had liquid dillie? Is that correct? or am I wrong...


yup. iv coke, dilaudid and dope. probably 50 times all together. put it down a few years ago (coke) and picked it back up a few months ago (dope). i used a bag of 10, one time each and was done. then i got the dilaudid and did 2 shots. that was a few weeks ago. havent had the urge to pick it up again. if i do get the urge i might, i might not. no big deal. its just a different ROA for me. its usually last on my list though. not because im afraid of becoming a needle addict, just because i prefer longer duration. all the prepping and poking and equiptment wasnt worth the 30 seconds for me.

[GOLD N DIEMONDS]

YEAH BUT- you are that lucky ducker that gets ^^^^^^^^^^^^
FENTA-LOOPS fer breakfast-----swear to baby jesus
lmao---(still) :)

[Nonphixion]

[QUOTE=Nonphixion;431966]


yup. iv coke, dilaudid and dope. probably 50 times all together. put it down a few years ago (coke) and picked it back up a few months ago (dope). i used a bag of 10, one time each and was done. then i got the dilaudid and did 2 shots. that was a few weeks ago. havent had the urge to pick it up again. if i do get the urge i might, i might not. no big deal. its just a different ROA for me. its usually last on my list though. not because im afraid of becoming a needle addict, just because i prefer longer duration. all the prepping and poking and equiptment wasnt worth the 30 seconds for me.


Oh ok... you have a lot stronger willpower than me lol! That really cool you can do that tho...