Ate mushrooms: Unusual results

[Ickyuck]

Hi loveys. Ok. So this past weekend I had the pleasure of eating some prime, grade aaa, hallucinogen-certified psilocybin goodies. A friend had some of the batch and was, well, tripping his proverbial balls off.
I eat my share. Chew, chew, chew. Wait.... Wait...
Nothing.
Friend is still wide eyed with trippy glee. As for me.... nothing. So I eat some more.
Still nothing.


My question is... has this happened to anyone before? Ever eat confirmed goods and not feel a damn thing?

[JonnyMohawk]

Are you sure they weren't bunk?

Were they fresh or dried? Its odd, usually if you eat the amount your friend did and he is tripping his balls off then you should at least be feeling *something*.

That sucks Icky!

[Ickyuck]

Totally not bunk, my JoMo. My friend ate from the same batch and was out of this fuckin' world.

[chopstix]

Always fresh, but I've eaten shrooms and not felt shit, and eaten shrooms and tripped my "proverbial" balls off, luckily I found 'em later, unharmed but kinda cold..

I dunno much about dried shrooms though, how much did you eat? Shit was always hit and miss for me, usually made coffee or cocoa with freshies.. I know that I do truly understand Alice in Wonderland now though..

Fuck of a lotta god that did ya, eh??

[GOLD N DIEMONDS]

so what you end up doing fer
the next 8 hours or so
kind of baby sit?

that had to be weird ,fustrating and funny, er oddly funny
:)

[Ickyuck]

For the record: They were 5 days old. My friend ate the SAME shrooms from the SAME bag as I did. He tripped. I didn't. I'm all like WTF n shit.

EDIT: I was passing the fuck out. Could of been the H.

[EleusisII]

The only think I can think of, is liver related. Psilocybin is metabolized in the liver, so I wonder if some sort of enzyme-fuckery can be to blame?

I also seem to remember that some drugs, think it might be SSRIs, can eat up your trip, but not 100$ on that.

[More Feen]

Interested to know what your pupils were doing:::

Were they pinned from the H, OR

Blown from the (unnoticed) Psilocybin?

In generally, when you trip and take Opies, (Acid/Shrooms/Cacti) which effect usually wins?

I'd assume the hallucinogens would blow the pupils wide.

M F

PS Sorry you choked-down shrooms without any payoff.

[squareone]

Maybe your friend is a really good actor.

[Ickyuck]

Thanks for the responds guys! I'm really very intrigued as to what happened with me.

Unfortunately, I barely paid attention to my pupils for the extent of the time; I was too concerned with paying attention to what I saw and felt.

Haven't taken psilo's since 2002. So it's been a long time.

Also, I am taking an SSRI, and an SSNI.

[bindegal]

I really love shrooms, is must be my favorite drug to turn people on to! I made all kind of folks take it!
Ickyuck, did you take any benzos at the time I know that they can take a lot of the trip?

Here is some nice "Lizard King" form a little bedroom grow years back!

[Spork]

I have also, eaten an 8th of shrooms that I bought from a girl that claimed "she ate them and tripped" yet I felt completely nothing.

I've also eaten a gram of shrooms that were supposed to be "flame" and became a character on a tv show I was watching and also decided it'd be okay to urinate on the floor.

[Ickyuck]

Bindegal, shit... I *might* of had only one .5 klonopin.

ANd again.. my friend was tripping from these shrooms. I know this for a fact, I was eating the half he had leftover.

THere was H involved as well. ANd some passing out. Man what a strange time... :o

[Seedy]

^^ in my experience a small dose of benzos actually enhances a shroom trip, like .5 of clonaz is perfect - takes that edge of uncertainty off while leaving all the goodness.

[rosebud]

Hi loveys. Ok. So this past weekend I had the pleasure of eating some prime, grade aaa, hallucinogen-certified psilocybin goodies. A friend had some of the batch and was, well, tripping his proverbial balls off.
I eat my share. Chew, chew, chew. Wait.... Wait...
Nothing.
Friend is still wide eyed with trippy glee. As for me.... nothing. So I eat some more.
Still nothing.


My question is... has this happened to anyone before? Ever eat confirmed goods and not feel a damn thing?

Icky, for me, a strong Opiate will overwhelm and basically neutralize any other drug (alcohol too) in my system except the most powerful of other drugs. Shrooms, acid etc-the effect is Nada if I am goofed on some powerful Opiate beforehand-just my experience. :( It might be good to have your liver enzymes checked out too though (I think someone else mentioned your liver) just to make sure that some of your zymes arent slightly kafluggity or some shit like that.

Bummer though.....I used to love to pop fresh caps.:D In Portland we would go shroom hunting almost every weekend and never failed to get a good haul and our asses (blissfully) kicked as a result. Back then there were literally fields of them (we called them "fields of dreams" after Costner did that Shoeless Joe movie) right in city limits. They were like those special fields surrounding Emerald City that Dorothy "stumbled" across......:)

[EleusisII]

Don't know why but I've always hated shrooms. Not for a lack of trying, just an isolating and oddly fuzzy and unfocused drug for me.

[More Feen]

^^ in my experience a small dose of benzos actually enhances a shroom trip, like .5 of clonaz is perfect - takes that edge of uncertainty off while leaving all the goodness.


Definately, some benzos can help ensure a positive (non-negative) experience.

M F

[port rhombus]

My question is... has this happened to anyone before? Ever eat confirmed goods and not feel a damn thing?

You've failed to experience effects from dimethyltryptamine, too, right? Something about your neurotransmitter system just isn't right.

You experienced normal effects from psilocybin some years ago.

You're on a bunch of psych meds now. We you on the same meds during your past successful psilocybin experience(s)?

[hovadagod]

It's gotta be the SSRI's or the SNRI. IMHO of course...

[More Feen]

Not an expert, but:

The indoleamine hallucinogens (Lysergic acid family, Psilocybin/Psilocin, DMT, etc...) are assumed to work due to their structural relation/similarity to the neurotransmitter Serotonin.

Another name for serotonin is 5-HT (5, Hydroxytryptamine)--sound familiar (dimethyltryptamine, DMT).

Your psych meds are SSRI, etc..., (selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors) some people say its Serotonin-Specific-Reup-Inhib--whatever.

Point is, your meds are fucking-up with the serotonin pathways, which will probably f/u the effects indoleamine hallucinogens.

Others have said this, I am confirming their results.

However, I'm not encouraging you to partake of illicit drugs, but with your current medication, you might find that PHENETHYLAMINE hallucinogens (more similar to amphetamines, norepinephrine & dopamine) might yield a response. Drugs like Mescaline, variety of cacti alkaloids, etc....

One last caution, you are taking many drugs that effect your brain chemistry. Some combinations have caused problems & deaths in the past (mostly with Tricyclic A/D & MAO-inhibitors, not so much with SSRIs).

Proceed with caution,

M F

PS-Some people relate "acid-like" experiences when they start taking SSRIs. Another link to the indoleamine nature of these drugs.

PPS- The other psych med is SNRI with the N standing for norepinephrine. This might rule out the phenethylamine drugs as well--sorry!!

[port rhombus]

^^^
Every point, agreed.

Mixing a SSRI, SNRI, and an antipsychotic is dangerous on its own.

I was just discussing this topic with some friends the other day. I was mocking an Abilify commercial (I love the "this is a dramatization--these are actors and not actual depressives" caption...) Big pharma is marketing drugs to treat interesting "new" conditions, things like antidepressant-induced depression, which can apparently be cured by adding an antipsychotic to the mix. The FDA is approving this shit? There must've been some really solid clinical trails (paid for by the drug's manufacturer?)

Used properly or not, psych meds have the capacity to truly worsen peoples' lives, IMO as much as opioid misuse. Psych meds are legal. They're everywhere. Advertisements and drug-rep-puppet doctors ensure that we're aware of a wide selection of drugs that'll make everything better.

I was in therapy for years before I had a doctor recommend medication for my depression and anxiety. I lived a few years of my early 20s in a mind-numbing SSRI/Xanax/Seroquel haze. The Seroquel was to combat my severe insomnia, worsened by the rotating course of SSRI/SNRIs. I've watched a few close friends become temporarily or permanently damaged by such drugs.

I do believe psych meds can make a significant improvement in some individuals' quality of life. However, they're dangerous drugs that should be prescribed with the utmost care. Patient care shouldn't end when the patient leaves the doctor's office with a script, and doctors should respect requests from patients to cease drug therapy, if only temporarily. Changing or adding meds isn't always the answer.

DTC drug marketing should be universally banned.

</way off topic rant>

[lotus]

i've never been able to trip with dope in my system.

my whole career as a junky not once did i manage it.......

i know many people say it should have zero effect but, other than my eyes maybe getting a little blurry SWF would happen.

[More Feen]

^^^

Every point, agreed.

Mixing a SSRI, SNRI, and an atypical antipsychotic is dangerous on its own.

I was just discussing this topic with some friends the other day. I was mocking an Abilify commercial (note: this is a dramatization--these are actors and not actual depressives...) Big pharma is developing drugs to treat interesting "new" conditions, things like antidepressant-induced depression, the solution to which is taking an additional medication. The FDA is actually approving this shit. Scary, scary stuff. Psych meds have the ability to seriously fuck up peoples' lives. I've seen it happen, and I'd argue that it can be as bad as any opioid problem. Psych drugs are legal, they're everywhere, and they're supposed to make everything better. The pharmaceutical industry makes me sick. DTC marketing should be universally banned.


Don't even get me started about the Medical Industrial Complex!!!

Tap-dancing Jesus on a popsicle stick!

M F

[OverDriven]

Don't they use benzos in the hospital to abort trips?

[More Feen]

Benzos can help someone chill if they're going through a bad trip.

To abort a trip, you can give a MAJOR tranq (the kind used for schizophrenia) stelazine, haloperidol & chlorpromazine.

I have no idea which one is preferable, or if another neuroleptic is the current favourite.

M F

[port rhombus]

AFAIK, antipsychotics are still the drug of choice. (Sorry, MF just posted the same thing.)

This is a semi-educated guess: Antipsychotics sedate the patient and may, as 5HT2 antagonists, diminish psychedelic effects. Many psychedelic drugs (tryptamines) exert their effects via 5HT2A serotonin receptors.

Wait a sec...

...Also, I am taking an SSRI, and an SSNI.

Aren't you on Abilify, too? Or am I just tripping? ;)

"Aripiprazole is also a partial agonist at the 5-HT1A receptor, and like the other atypical antipsychotics displays an antagonist profile at the 5-HT2A receptor."

Abilify is an ugly drug, and it looks like it could be the culprit.

[Ickyuck]

Let me report, however, that I have successfully tripped on DMT.

Port Rhombus, thank you bunches for figuring this out. You so smart!

Thanks to eeryone else for putting in their two cents!

[GOLD N DIEMONDS]

Let me report, however, that I have successfully tripped on DMT.

Port Rhombus, thank you bunches for figuring this out. You so smart!

Thanks to eeryone else for putting in their two cents!


ah yes
good god for PORT RHOMBUS
me "WALKING PDR'
what a great addition he has been
hey:D


PS - the guy has NO sense of humor though- its all bidzns:rolleyes:

[port rhombus]

Let me report, however, that I have successfully tripped on [B]DMT.


I suspect that's because DMT readily crosses the BBB, whereas psilocin, psilocybin's active metabolite, doesn't.

I'd do some actual research and post the results, but the raging pain in my head is the only reason I'm even awake right now :~(

Love,
Port "Business is My Pleasure" Rhombass

[JTDuffet]

personally i would have been glad I didn'tfeel em, since I can't stand hallucinogenics, but thats just me. if I was trying to get lit, and munched down those nasties, i would hope to feel something too..

the explanations are quite interesting, however...

-jt

[Woody Bear]

I suspect that's because DMT readily crosses the BBB, whereas psilocin, psilocybin's active metabolite, doesn't.
That's worded a bit strangely, because if psilocin didn't cross the blood brain barrior, then no one would get any effects from it at all.

The difference between DMT and psilocin is very like the difference between morphine and heroin, in that heroin is more lipophilic than morphine, so it is more rapidly absorbed into the brain. DMT and psilocin are almost identical except psilocin has a hydroxy group, and this makes it more hydrophilic than DMT, so psilocin doesn't cross the blood brain barrier as rapidly as DMT or other more liophilic drugs.

But morphine and psilocin do cross the blood brain barrier, just not as quickly as heroin and DMT.

[port rhombus]

^^^

It is worded strangely--poorly, even. When I posted that message, it was way past my bedtime and I was in a lot of pain.

Anyway, thanks for explaining what I had wanted to explain. :)

[Anthropioid]

THere was H involved as well. ANd some passing out. Man what a strange time... :o

Did u atleast have any trippy dreams while passed out?
I would suspect that the benzo and opiate just took over and possibly all of your enzymes were used up from them?
I don't know even know if that's possible, just my .02. :rolleyes:

[Ickyuck]

haha no dreams, just waking up as I, or my food/drink, hit the floor. Typical heroin nod shit. ;)


On a side note I'd like to say that I did experiment with DMT again, and it seems I need a really large dose to get me to la la land or mechanical elf land or whatever.

[GOLD N DIEMONDS]

Last time I checked
it was mechanical elf land
which is fine if mechanically inclined
elf is cute and SCARY
be careful me dear :)

[Ickyuck]

Last time I checked
it was mechanical elf land
which is fine if mechanically inclined
elf is cute and SCARY
be careful me dear :)


GND... Have you used DMT?? :D

Never saw the elves... but saw tiny balls of changing color and light that made up the whole universe.. from trees to concrete to my jeans and shoes...

[GOLD N DIEMONDS]

oh ME just high on life :)
BUT i would bet those elves
are behind all the lighting, they are there if you care to look deeper

CURIOUS, was this a shorter light show?
say a few hours verse say cid
that can last 12 hourish plus
everything being relevant to dose and purity
You are a KIND gal with right attitude which makes
for thee elves, blessing you with happiness
which is what you deserve.

Probably leaving the H out of elf land may make easier visiting?
or perhaps it just the visit you wanted
SO -ALL IN ALL, was it what you wanted??

[Ickyuck]

...
You are a KIND gal with right attitude which makes
for thee elves, blessing you with happiness
which is what you deserve.

Probably leaving the H out of elf land may make easier visiting?
or perhaps it just the visit you wanted
SO -ALL IN ALL, was it what you wanted??

Dood, thats so sweet of you. :) Thank you!

Well when I was DMT'ing I wasn't on any opiates. And yes... all times I've experimented with DMT it was very nice, even the times where I didn't get as "high" as I wanted.

I think with shrooms, if there is a next time that I can do them, I'll take a few days off of my meds. ;)

[Seedy]

^^ you won't regret it, shrooms can be an amazing experience. i won't touch them these days (in big doses at least) without just a little benzos, 10mg valium or equivalent doesn't detract from the trip at all, just relaxes you enough to ensure your mind is in the right place. i actually picked enough shrooms last week for a nice strong trip which is pretty cool as it's way out of season. should have some benzos on hand soon too, it'll be great to have a shroom trip in the warmth of late spring! And my shroom tollerance should be reset after having a few months off (had about 2 trips a week over winter :rolleyes:).

and if you want an amazing shroom trip try the lemon tek method, powder/finely chop your shrooms, soak them in lemon juice for half an hour then consume. this turns the psylocin into psylocybin, a process which usually happens after ingestion. basically it hits harder and faster, resulting in a much stronger, but shorter, more visual trip without the usual nausea as it comes on.

fresh shrooms have a higher psylocibin content (which is why they seem more potent), which degrades as they dry (oxidation), leaving only psylocin.

[GOLD N DIEMONDS]

@ SEEDY
just curios -you are very knowledge about shrooms. Do you know if your original source,down under, are picked as wild nature grown. Or is there a knowledged grower/farmer of this fine produce. Meaning does someone specifically grow for specific purpose? Or are there shroom pickers in the wild outdoors.

Or a bit of both I suppose

ps- funny to hear talk of late spring -as USA is in late fall. would much prefer late spring right now:)

[Seedy]

^^ mostly outdoors. i'm sure there's a few people growing indoors in jars/tanks but in autumn they are very easy to find if you know the conditions to look out for. i think most of the species we pick are native to new zealand but grow in mad numbers in certain artificial conditions.

[bindegal]

soak them in lemon juice for half an hour then consume. this turns the psylocin into psylocybin
Sorry, buy no!