PLEASE TO ALL MY OPIOPHILE FRIENDS, THIS COULD TURN INTO DEATH

[Larry]

I have an uncle who does pills (small mg oxy no big deal) but now hes getting into xanax, and hes really liking them alot.


Ive warned him of the dangers, but hes a FUCKING know it all.

Hes in his early 50s, He cant even handle 20mg worth of oxy withdrawl LET ALONE XANAX

Please Guys - Post your horror stories on this crap, Since he wont listen to me. Ive had a seizure off xanax I told him that and he still wants to take them.

You guys are my last hope! Im really at my fucking ropes end, the last 2 days he took xanax Its been ABSOLUTE HELL, He lost stuff and then blamed me for stealing *when in reality he had a benzob blackout and ended up taking his pills*

Im literally begging anyone to post how bad this stuff truely iss, He plans on seeing his DR next month and getting his own RX.


The last 2 days he has taken them have been 2 of the worst days of my life, lke I said before hes losing imporant things and then blaming me but what really happen was he took the xanax and went on a blackout and totally forgot everything he did. Much easier to blame someone else then take responsible


Right now Im the one with the legit rx for xanax and no matter how much he begs he isnt getting any, There is NO WAY hes in wthdrawl or anythin because hes only been taking them for a few days but it seems likes he felll in love with them.

Im begging you guys please help

[Poppylvr]

Larry - show him Dolofinell's thread.
Maybe next time he blacks out take him to an ER?
Google opiates benzos death & share what you find. Call his doctor and tell him of your fears.
I don't have any personal stories that will help, I'm sorry. Good luck

[EleusisII]

Right now Im the one with the legit rx for xanax and no matter how much he begs he isnt getting any, There is NO WAY hes in wthdrawl or anythin because hes only been taking them for a few days but it seems likes he felll in love with them.


Actually Lar, you can get addicted to Xanax after just a couple of days of use. It's that nasty of a drug. And obviously it's only going to get worse the longer you take it.
Go browsing in the Benzo subforum or the Piss and Moan. Should be plenty of stuff there.

To better help you: Does he get a script for his Oxys? Where does he get the Xanax from?

[LTHG]

I have an uncle who does pills (small mg oxy no big deal) but now hes getting into xanax, and hes really liking them alot.


Ive warned him of the dangers, but hes a FUCKING know it all.

Hes in his early 50s, He cant even handle 20mg worth of oxy withdrawl LET ALONE XANAX

Please Guys - Post your horror stories on this crap, Since he wont listen to me. Ive had a seizure off xanax I told him that and he still wants to take them.

You guys are my last hope! Im really at my fucking ropes end, the last 2 days he took xanax Its been ABSOLUTE HELL, He lost stuff and then blamed me for stealing *when in reality he had a benzob blackout and ended up taking his pills*

Im literally begging anyone to post how bad this stuff truely iss, He plans on seeing his DR next month and getting his own RX.


The last 2 days he has taken them have been 2 of the worst days of my life, lke I said before hes losing imporant things and then blaming me but what really happen was he took the xanax and went on a blackout and totally forgot everything he did. Much easier to blame someone else then take responsible


Right now Im the one with the legit rx for xanax and no matter how much he begs he isnt getting any, There is NO WAY hes in wthdrawl or anythin because hes only been taking them for a few days but it seems likes he felll in love with them.

Im begging you guys please help

This is simple. I've done this before to people I care about. Call his Dr, and let him know he has a problem with xanax. Tell the Dr. he abuses the pills, and is likely to try and come in and scam a prescription. You don't need to leave your name or anything, just drop an anonymous tip. I did this for my brother when he was whacked out on Benzos. Overnight....no more benzos for lil bro.

Its obvious from your post that he does not need any of these pills for any legit medical conditions, he just likes getting fucked up off them. So don't look at it like you are barring them from getting legit meds to treat actual medical conditions.

Its that simple.

[SHELLEY]

Actually Lar, you can get addicted to Xanax after just a couple of days of use. It's that nasty of a drug.

really?
i would take handfuls of that shit for a week or more at a time
when i was trying to kick dope (more than once)
and i never had a problem with benzo w/d

[EleusisII]

Call his Dr, and let him know he has a problem with xanax. Tell the Dr. he abuses the pills, and is likely to try and come in and scam a prescription.

Doesn't really solve the problem of cutting the uncle off the Xanax he's currently getting, now does it? OP is apparently the only one with a prescription for them right now, which is why I asked how uncle is getting them :p

[JTDuffet]

that really sucks, to the OP. i have an uncle, but his problem is mainly alcohol. hes always falling down and hurting himself, not eating and getting sick, etc. hes come so close to death so many times that most of our family just wants to avoid him due to his likelihood of dying.

I hope your able to get yours to come to his senses.. but sounds like he doesn't want to hear it.. We love our family members so much it can be difficult to get him help (tough love, turning him in, etc. thats hard to do). And noone likes to be told what to do either. but in this case, its medical and a fact..

good luck

-jt

[LTHG]

Doesn't really solve the problem of cutting the uncle off the Xanax he's currently getting, now does it? OP is apparently the only one with a prescription for them right now, which is why I asked how uncle is getting them :p

(edit, reread the first post)

I was responding to the concern the OP had about his Uncle obtaining the pills through a doctor for further use down the road. :)

[wizardofoz80]

Moral of the story with xanax is shit happens after you take it.

[Actavis]

Time to get a lockbox or a small safe.

[at&t]

Good for you, Larry.... AND-- Best of luck to you, Larry.........................

I don't know.... We have *lots* of benzo users here on the board, but...
I like how, for a bunch of quote "drug addicts" unquote, Most folks in general here are so 'prejudiced'* against that stuff. Including (In fact, Especially including) the benzo users themselves.

[* Note - "prejudiced" isn't the right word... Just............ "Unwilling to recommend excessive screwing with them, while at the same time delighting in excessive 'screwing with' all/most other sorts of mind altering substances...." (No... That isn't the right word either, come to think of it. Never mind.. Sorry....) -Ed.]

Saying stuff like "Benzos? No way... Call that guy's doctor, the cops, etc... Give him some tough love..."

Well... Y'all know what I mean. I guess that it is just that most people here are speaking from the voice of experience, Rather than just drawing into their mental file labeled "knowledge about drugs" and remembering something about how "someone (um... AA, (and 'dare,' etc, among others), I guess) once said that 'a drug is a drug, and they're all the same...'"

Nothing to add though... Just that... Yeah... as *WE* all know, Benzos are bad news... Easy to kill yourself by using, Very Surprisingly easy to kill yourself with Hellish Withdrawals by NOT using, Very Surprisingly Easy to get a (first) really bad habit with, (whereas with Gods Own Medicine (opiates) it at least takes a little bit of persistence and protracted constant use, etc to pick up a (First Time) habit) etc, etc.......

But anyway, I wish you the best luck sir...... An uphill battle for sure, but............... :(

at&t

[EDIT: Sorry if this didn't make too much sense... Unfortunately didn't quite manage (didn't quite have time) to phrase it as well as I had wanted, (and have to go afk for the moment,) so..... <shrugs> :( I hope y'all folks will be able to more or less get the gist of what I'm trying to say... ('Justifiably prejudiced'... No... not quite it either...) (etc, etc) -Ed.]

[OpiateQueen]

is xanax really that much worse than valium?? I'm asking cos we as vets we use em both but pretty much never got told much of a difference... and i noticed dolofinells post about his poor mate and everyone saying what a huge dose 2mg of xanax was... or maybe it was 8mg... anyway i thught that was a pretty normal dose - eso if u addicted to the stuff and been taking it for ages...

someone mentioned above calling the dr and tipping him off... i hv such mixed feelings about this - cos i just know how incredibly pissed i would be if someone called my dr and said something like that... i mean it sort of seems abit fuckd to scam shit yourself but then be all high and mighty and call other peoples drs etc so that they cant

Its llike when peoples family say shit like "i made a promise with myself never t lend u anymore money, for your own good..." even when youve been clean for 10 years or whatever......grrrrrrrrrrrrr:mad::mad::mad:

[at&t]

OQ- The difference is that I don't like benzos! ;)

(jk... "calling someone's doctor" is a bit... 'extreme' to say the least... I had just referenced it in my post as sort of an unspoken comparison to how.... 'acceptable' it would be here on the board to speak of calling someone's doctor to warn them that the person was 'drug-seeking' for Opiates...)

(which (opiates) are really cool(!!), whereas benzos aren't...) <winks again...> (I hope y'all get the sarcasm... in a bit of a hurry...)

at&t

- though then again.... If you ask me, Benzos *are* certainly plenty dangerous and screwed up...

[EDIT: Oh.... At the time of posting this, I had read all of the "New Posts" except for Dolophine's most recent post about his best friend overdosing on benzos........ Probably needless to say, I no longer feel too good about all the "wink wink nudge nudge-- this is sarcasm, I'm joking" type humour inserted into this and the previous post. However, I guess what I was trying to say still pretty much stands-- That I *DO* like that-- to some degree, there exists something of a 'double standard' (A 'justifiable double standard,' I personally would say) among us here on the board for "Benzo Use" and "Regular Opiate Use." Not trying to be all 'trite and clever' and all that..... I don't know. Hopefully y'all folks know what I mean, and...

More importantly, I hope that Dolophine is getting on ok.... As it was his best friend and all, well..... thats just a terrible tragedy, and I'm very sorry... I guess I should post this in that thread rather than this one, but. Yeah... Larry, Tell that guy Dolophine's post appeared at just about the same time as yours. I don't know. Over and out, all... at&t]

[EDIT Again: Hey Larry... Ask and ye shall receive... *Another* post/story for you. -- As it turned out, there were actually *two* posts that I had missed. The other one being Wizardofoz80's post "A week Coma and 22 days in hospital.." the title of which, I guess, is pretty self explanatory... Hm.... wow.... reading it now.... Best of luck to him as well... That doesn't sound good. (though on the other hand, it sounds great! He's still alive...) ok... afraid I really have to go now. Later... at&t]

[nick]

I hate to say it,Larry,but till he's ready to listen........we're all wasting our breath.

After saying that,much luck with it.

[GOLD N DIEMONDS]

This is simple. I've done this before to people I care about. Call his Dr, and let him know he has a problem with xanax. Tell the Dr. he abuses the pills, and is likely to try and come in and scam a prescription. You don't need to leave your name or anything, just drop an anonymous tip. I did this for my brother when he was whacked out on Benzos. Overnight....no more benzos for lil bro.

Its obvious from your post that he does not need any of these pills for any legit medical conditions, he just likes getting fucked up off them. So don't look at it like you are barring them from getting legit meds to treat actual medical conditions.

Its that simple.

IT THAT SIMPLE ?
HUH-
Pfft:mad:

[EleusisII]

really?
i would take handfuls of that shit for a week or more at a time
when i was trying to kick dope (more than once)
and i never had a problem with benzo w/d

Well it's different for people like you and duckfeet, who've survived god knows how much crazy shit that could kill a lesser junkie. Obviously!
(After a nuclear war I'm sure that you two will be left, and will survive decades on the stashes the left of us have left)

It's one of those things that depends on your individual biochemistry. Some people can use benzos for weeks or months (or years in some rare cases) without getting addicted or dependant. Some people however can get hooked in a couple of days or a week.
When the likability is SO strong, as in OPs case, I suspect its the latter rather than the former.

This is simple. I've done this before to people I care about.

Who's up for calling LTHG's doctor? I'm really concerned about his opiate use!

[LTHG]

Well it's different for people like you and duckfeet, who've survived god knows how much crazy shit that could kill a lesser junkie. Obviously!
(After a nuclear war I'm sure that you two will be left, and will survive decades on the stashes the left of us have left)

It's one of those things that depends on your individual biochemistry. Some people can use benzos for weeks or months (or years in some rare cases) without getting addicted or dependant. Some people however can get hooked in a couple of days or a week.
When the likability is SO strong, as in OPs case, I suspect its the latter rather than the former.



Who's up for calling LTHG's doctor? I'm really concerned about his opiate use!


Lol! go ahead. 5 seconds of searching (my profile on this site) will tell you why I'm a member here... And guess what, it's not because I do Opiates or benzos for that matter. It's because my lil bro was hooked on the pills.

I'm just here for the info bro. If I can help save someones life while I'm here, why not.
Still got a problem with me?

[SHELLEY]

my opinion would be to leave him the fuck alone
people who get high like that, they'll keep going until they decide to quit for real or until they die
all the well wishers, doctor calls, interventions, rehabs, and worried relatives in the world
won't change that fucking reality- sad but true

[GOLD N DIEMONDS]

Lol! go ahead. 5 seconds of searching (my profile on this site) will tell you why I'm a member here... And guess what, it's not because I do Opiates or benzos for that matter. It's because my lil bro was hooked on the pills.

I'm just here for the info bro. If I can help save someones life while I'm here, why not.
Still got a problem with me?

I did that 5 second search before I posted.

answer to question- YES

QUESTION- ah WHO'S life did you save here?
perhaps you should just lurk more until you truly understand
NO IT IS NOT THAT SIMPLE

[Cherry's Jubilee]

This is simple. I've done this before to people I care about. Call his Dr, and let him know he has a problem with xanax. Tell the Dr. he abuses the pills, and is likely to try and come in and scam a prescription. You don't need to leave your name or anything, just drop an anonymous tip. I did this for my brother when he was whacked out on Benzos. Overnight....no more benzos for lil bro.

Its obvious from your post that he does not need any of these pills for any legit medical conditions, he just likes getting fucked up off them. So don't look at it like you are barring them from getting legit meds to treat actual medical conditions.

Its that simple.


Wow, that's shitty. Some brother. Sounds like you're a judgmental, self-righteous control-freak who needs to get a life...

[OpiateQueen]

I did that 5 second search before I posted.

answer to question- YES

QUESTION- ah WHO'S life did you save here?
perhaps you should just lurk more until you truly understand
NO IT IS NOT THAT SIMPLE
here here ^^^^^^^^

perhaps he would like to call all our drs etc and we'd all be living in a happy happy joy joy life. simple! Personally i feel sorry for his poor lil brother...

[LTHG]

I did that 5 second search before I posted.

answer to question- YES

QUESTION- ah WHO'S life did you save here?
perhaps you should just lurk more until you truly understand
NO IT IS NOT THAT SIMPLE


Lurk around till I understand?!

Don't be fooled. Just because Im not using/abusing pills, benzos, or opiates, doesn't mean I've not had my vices before.... Im no stranger to the drug game, or the addiction game... In this particular situation I've just been on the other side of things, thats all. Dragging someone I care about (my lil bro) into the ER who's OD'ing on opies & benzos at 3AM is not my idea of fun. Perhaps what YOU need is a look into the other side of things before you judge.

After all, the OP started this thread voicing his concern about his Uncles newly found Benzo use. I offered my advice as it pertained to the OP, not you.

Google this site....thats how I found it. Under the web title it states:

"The Opiophile.org forums are available for those who use opiates, for those researching opiates, or for those who have questions regarding the use of opiates..."

Guess what? Thats me. Im perfectly in my right to be here and post advise, thoughts, and opinions from the other side of things.

Im not here to preach or tell anyone what's right or what's wrong. I never have, and don't intend to start now. If you ask me, I think this site needs more people like me around. Just to keep things balanced.

Now, if thats all from you... I will let this thread be as I have already posted my opinion and advise.

[ryan]

Actually Lar, you can get addicted to Xanax after just a couple of days of use. It's that nasty of a drug. And obviously it's only going to get worse the longer you take it.
Go browsing in the Benzo subforum or the Piss and Moan. Should be plenty of stuff there.

To better help you: Does he get a script for his Oxys? Where does he get the Xanax from?

This is so true. And I think it gets worse over time...like even if you stop then start again, it's an even shorter time to real bad physical dependence. Benzos are even quicker than opiates to cause addiction\tollerance\withdrawals.

I do not have any facts or data to back this up -- this is just a personal belief, but I believe that the majority of overdoses involving opiates (oxycontin!!) also involve benzos and \ or alcohol...it's REALLY NOT a good idea to take multiple CNS depressants together...it's like an instant recipe for death.

I don't even like to mix benzos with opiates -- When I have em, I either save em for when I am trying to kick, or I take them at the end of the day when I am trying to go to sleep after I have used up all my dope.

When I take them together, I think the benzos take away from the "warmth" feeling that the opiates provide and replace it with a "cold" feeling -- if anyone knows what I am talking about...can't really explain it...it's just how I feel about it though..

Oh, and you wanna talk about blackouts?

I can remember two distinct stories...well not really "remember" -- since I was on benzos, but here's the fragments of what I DO remember --

Ordered 100 valiums off the net back in '02 before the ryan dildo haight thing...got 100 10mg valiums...invited a friend over, took dxm...1 1\2 days later, woke up on my bed, friend on the couch, went to get some valiums and they were ALL gone...every single one of them...I accused him of stealing them, and the sad thing is, in my mind I really did think he stole them (he was a really good friend at the time too) but my room mate came and heard us arguing and set the record straight that he did not steal them, and we both were popping them like candy, and the only time he took any was when he had my permission -- boy did I feel like an asshole after that...

Second "event" -- came home for summer break, ordered 100 2mg xanax's, went to some hot girl's high school grad party with an ounce of hydro, the 100 xannies, and some shrooms...when i got there i took 3 xannies, drank 5 beers, and smoked a bowl...and that's all I remember...the 3 xannies alone weren't enough to put me out like that but combined with another CNS depressant (alcohol) it sent me off the deep end into the realm of a drug induced blackout. It's weird because you can be fine for 2 minutes then completely go out, then come back in and out...it's fucked up!! Anyways -- I woke up the next day at 5 PM, passed out in my parents garden covered in dirt, broken \ destroyed flowers and plants, and bugs. All my pills, weed, and shrooms were gone. I called a friend who had driven me to the party and he said the girl who's house it was kicked me out cause I pissed in her garage on her moms car...I still have no memory of why I would do that, or have any idea how I even got home. Thank god my parents were away for the weekend and no one saw me passed out there in the front of the house like that. I slept for about 25 hours after that too.

I mean, I can laugh about it now, but the fact is both those times I was almost certainly near death, and not to mention acting like a complete and utter douchebag.
Moral of the storys = benzos cause death and douchebaggery. Be careful...

Oh and to the dude who talked about calling the guys doctor -- I'm sorry but that is a very very bad option and a very fucked up thing to do.
Like it or not we all have our own rights and if someone wants to get fucked up they're gonna do it one way or another.
Best thing to do is to let them know that you're not gonna put up with their BS anymore, distance yourself from them, and if it's someone you really care about, tell them that should they ever decide that they do want to get help that you will be there for them. But you can't go babysitting people and calling their docs...

[GOLD N DIEMONDS]

Lurk around till I understand?!

Don't be fooled. Just because Im not using/abusing pills, benzos, or opiates, doesn't mean I've not had my vices before.... Im no stranger to the drug game, or the addiction game... In this particular situation I've just been on the other side of things, thats all. Dragging someone I care about (my lil bro) into the ER who's OD'ing on opies & benzos at 3AM is not my idea of fun. Perhaps what YOU need is a look into the other side of things before you judge.

After all, the OP started this thread voicing his concern about his Uncles newly found Benzo use. I offered my advice as it pertained to the OP, not you.

Google this site....thats how I found it. Under the web title it states:

"The Opiophile.org forums are available for those who use opiates, for those researching opiates, or for those who have questions regarding the use of opiates..."

Guess what? Thats me. Im perfectly in my right to be here and post advise, thoughts, and opinions from the other side of things.

Im not here to preach or tell anyone what's right or what's wrong. I never have, and don't intend to start now. If you ask me, I think this site needs more people like me around. Just to keep things balanced.

Now, if thats all from you... I will let this thread be as I have already posted my opinion and advise.

ONCE AGAIN- YOU SIMPLY DO NOT UNDERSTAND.
AND I AM NO ONE FOOL -AND where did I judge?
So me young one-post want you like
BUT WHEN I SEE BAD ADVICE SUCH AS YOURS -I CALL IT AS SUCH
AND CALLING ANYONE DOCTOR BUT YOUR OWN IS BAD ADVICE
it solves nothing, you just don't get it- me young one.
I have seen more dead than you will ever know.

from your profile page
My main motivator(s) are:
1. I saw what it did to my brother.
2. Something so small can fuck you up so much.

see you already got that ass backward
Your brother did IT
so again IF YOU TRULY WANT TO UNDERSTAND lurk and learn

ps- your qouting opiates up there and giving advise on benzo:confused:

[EleusisII]

Still got a problem with me? No I don't have a problem with you per se. However I do have a problem with you advising people to be manipulative and underhanded.

I also know that you're on pretty thin ice, when you have to start quoting a sites rules and mission-statement to justify your presence.

As for the site "needing some more of your kind around", I'm sure it must be a grand feeling to imagine one self the one eyed man when everyone else is blind, but I fail to see what grand contributions you have made, beyond a couple of snide remarks here and there. Must be the drugs...

the girl who's house it was kicked me out cause I pissed in her garage on her moms car...

You fucking rock!
Sounds like a grand night out in my book, but then again, my only benzo-beware story is renting a car without having any recollection of it.
Wait, no, that was Ambien...

Does buying 400$ worth of drinks to a bunch of punkers with the Boss's creditcard, and winning an award at an awardshow while blacked out count?

[NV12]

Lurk around till I understand?!

Don't be fooled. Just because Im not using/abusing pills, benzos, or opiates, doesn't mean I've not had my vices before.... Im no stranger to the drug game, or the addiction game... In this particular situation I've just been on the other side of things, thats all. Dragging someone I care about (my lil bro) into the ER who's OD'ing on opies & benzos at 3AM is not my idea of fun. Perhaps what YOU need is a look into the other side of things before you judge.

After all, the OP started this thread voicing his concern about his Uncles newly found Benzo use. I offered my advice as it pertained to the OP, not you.

Google this site....thats how I found it. Under the web title it states:

"The Opiophile.org forums are available for those who use opiates, for those researching opiates, or for those who have questions regarding the use of opiates..."

Guess what? Thats me. Im perfectly in my right to be here and post advise, thoughts, and opinions from the other side of things.

Im not here to preach or tell anyone what's right or what's wrong. I never have, and don't intend to start now. If you ask me, I think this site needs more people like me around. Just to keep things balanced.

Now, if thats all from you... I will let this thread be as I have already posted my opinion and advise.

Dude, I've been married for close to 9 years to an addict (recovering now). And I NEVER called his doctor or flushed pills down the toilet, etc.. not one time, even when I saw how much it was destroying my family and our kids. No doubt I probably had the number dialed ready to do it 189 times over these years, but when it comes down to it, you're not helping. It's easy to think that by calling a doctor to report them, you're cutting off that persons supply... and that is so wrong, they just get them somewhere elase. And you've lost any trust they might have in you. While it's good you are trying to get more info, I think you should listen and read, and try to get some perspective that will help you be a little more compassionate and maybe a little less condescending.. welcome to the board.

[GOLD N DIEMONDS]

You fucking rock!
Sounds like a grand night out in my book, but then again, my only benzo-beware story is renting a car without having any recollection of it.
Wait, no, that was Ambien...

Does buying 400$ worth of drinks to a bunch of punkers with the Boss's creditcard, and winning an award at an awardshow while blacked out count?

WELL KIND OF
where the benzos scripted?
and CREDIT CARD -did you get mile flying points?

[rosebud]

In my book, unless his life is in danger, I would think hard before pulling the calling the doc trigger Larry-your relationship might never recover. A brief example: I once broke up with a tool who turned vindictive. He called my doc and LE to express "sincere concern about my prescription drug use". Almost fucked me though I was totally legit and not abusing. Luckily LE & Doc instantly saw through his gig. Doc ignored him and LE even strongly encouraged him to leave town ASAP or risk further LE interaction. He couldnt understand what he did was unforgivable and he would NEVER get a 2nd chance with me (even offered to call LE/Doc and say "neeeever mind, I was just mad-my bad"!). I will never forgive him-EVER.

I've taken benzos for dozens of short term streaks (2-4 weeks) and luckily had no WD. 2 days and having WD would be pretty unusual (but nothings impossible W/drugs). I do know many casual benzo takers and never saw the monkey take up residence that fast. Sounds like maybe he has some kind of a jones to get high in general? If it were me, I would cut him off from my supply and help how I could and at the same time try to treat him the way I would want to be treated.....

Is he going through unusual stress/anxiety right now? Has he blamed you for taking/missplacing things before? Is that a standard MO of his W/you and others no matter if he's high or clean?

Good luck with all this.

[Thebane]

Actually Lar, you can get addicted to Xanax after just a couple of days of use. It's that nasty of a drug. And obviously it's only going to get worse the longer you take it.


Really? A couple days? I've taken a month rx of xanax before over about 1-2 weeks, (90 x .5 mg - not that much admittedly) and had no problems with physical withdrawals. And this was while I was hooked on pods (so I was worried as hell I would have problems - it's not like I was oblivious and slept off withdrawals thinking I had a cold). I think saying a few days can cause addiction is a bit extreme, but I mean physical not mental, obviously mental w/ds can set in after the first taste of any substance. I was more mentally hooked after my first time using opiates than I am now; at least I remembered the euphoria then.

I'm not saying you shouldn't get your uncle off benzos, obviously if he's losing shit and is accusing you he has a problem with the drug, but I don't think eleusis' statement has much fact.

No offense to you eleusis, I'm kind of surprised you posted that, because I don't see any basis for such a statement as far as science and medicine are concerned. From my own experience, being pre-disposed to all sorts of substance addictions, what you said doesn't make much sense. This is only in my opinion and based on my limited knowledge of scientific and medical studies of course.

Also, I don't think the OP should do more than not give his uncle his own xanax and try to convince his uncle of the danger of fucking around with benzos, which is obviously very real. If you think you have the right to use drugs, I don't see how you can deny anyone else it. Don't see him when he's high, sure, but don't call his doctor or do any other asshole move or you're a complete hypocrite.

Again, this is just my opinion.

[EleusisII]

Really? A couple days? I've taken a month rx of xanax before over about 1-2 weeks, (90 x .5 mg - not that much admittedly) and had no problems with physical withdrawals.

I got my information from a Danish prescribing guide to benzodiazepines, and obviously it's rare that a person gets addicted that fast, but it does happen occasionally. Being addicted after a couple of weeks is more the norm, and after a couple of months most people would be addicted to some degree. Then again there are people who can take benzos periodically for years without getting noticably hooked (Though that is also rare)
Keep in mind I wasn't necessarily talking about full on seizure WDs, but cravings, restlessness, increased anxiety and insomnia.

[rosebud]

Keep in mind I wasn't necessarily talking about full on seizure WDs, but cravings, restlessness, increased anxiety and insomnia.

Now I'll buy that. I swear-1st time I played around with fent in a non SOP way, I was mentally hooked in a NY sec (instant addiction-just add water and stir). It happened exactly as some savvy folks on here warned, but I didnt buy it-- I couldnt conceive of jonesing for something after only 1 run at it! Having that happen totally convinced me that the mind is a powerful tool and it can sell your body on some amazing bits of "truthiness" via power of suggestion.

How many here have taken something thinking it was the real deal (and feeling your normal buzz factor), only to find out later you'd been scammed and experienced the placebo effect? I would never have believed it had it not happened to me......just sayen. :confused:

So, Uncle could very well have convinced himself he is hooked and suffering WDs. I do believe there is no way it could happen physically though. That said, IMO sometimes mental addiction is almost as bad as physical addiction.....

Best of luck Larry.

[tonyk]

IT THAT SIMPLE ?
HUH-
Pfft:mad:
YES! I agree. NOT so simple at all.

[Ickyuck]

Oh jesus christ nevermind.


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[Thebane]

I got my information from a Danish prescribing guide to benzodiazepines, and obviously it's rare that a person gets addicted that fast, but it does happen occasionally. Being addicted after a couple of weeks is more the norm, and after a couple of months most people would be addicted to some degree. Then again there are people who can take benzos periodically for years without getting noticably hooked (Though that is also rare)
Keep in mind I wasn't necessarily talking about full on seizure WDs, but cravings, restlessness, increased anxiety and insomnia.

Yeah, I guess it very well could happen to some people. But at that point I'm not convinced its the nature of benzos so much as any psychoactive drug can cause some psychological symptoms after 2-3 days of use.

Then again, maybe I'm just skeptical because I was lucky enough not to have any w/d symptoms from the few benzo scripts I've had fall into my lap. I don't look for the stuff because it doesn't do all that much for me. I'd prefer booze over them if I can't get anything else.

[EleusisII]

I have no reason to believe otherwise, especially since I remember my tolerance rising insanely fast while on Restoril. And mind you, this wasn't for recreational purposes. 1 tablet was fine on day 1, but by the end of the first week, I had to have 2 or 3 for the same effect.

Then again, my father has been on the same benzo dose for 20 years. He takes it a couple of times a week to fall asleep, and has never shown any addictive behaviour.

Another (weird) case. Friend of mine was on Clonazepam without showing any sign of trouble for months at a time. He got switched to Valium, parents decided to take it from him, since he liked it a little too much, next thing you know he's swearing and yelling to get his "fucking Valium" back.

One ting that really troubles me about benzos, is when you hear about people with insanely high dosages: 30-40 mg of clonazepam or xanax a day or more. Some of them will never really get off them again, or have a normal life without.

[OxyQueen]

Wow, that's shitty. Some brother. Sounds like you're a judgmental, self-righteous control-freak who needs to get a life...


I know...SERIOUSLY wtf is ur problem? That is an awful thing to do...im with Cherry on this one...

[jacky]

well, I am not over 50 or anything....almost 40 though..

maybe your uncle could read these posts though for another opinion.

my opinion....pretty much everyone that I know, including me...that has had a regular opiate habit, and would occasionally, or as a maintenance drug, take benzo's and other sedatives..ended up having problems.

for those that used on a regular basis, the person sometimes appears quite zombified...even though they tend to swear that nothing is wrong with them, and that they cant even feel the dose anymore.
they swear they take it only to feel normal...
but looking at them is another deal...they are obviously quite fucked.
and a certian callousness is behind their motivations, and actions.

I know that many people can handle their meds....but I havnt met many that can use powerful opiates and handle benzo's very well.

personally I try to avoid....as the stupidest things I have done in my life have been under the influence of a combination of opiates and downers.

my father killed himself when I was 7 in the 1970's...he was a booze and quaalude addict. I dont know everything about what he was going through.....but alot of his freinds think that if he wasnt so fucked on the booze and quaaludes he might have gotten over himself.

I had to use these types of sedatives when kicking dope. they are great for that...sans the heroin or oxy's, I can utilize the downers for a reasonable amount of time.
but they make me low energy, mean, nasty, and I hate to say it...abusive at times when pushed by another and in a bad situation.

the day I was given 2 milligrams of clonipin as a start of my heroin detox along with muscle relaxants, and anti siezure meds, I was a fucked zombie...hanging out in a graveyard drooling on myself and crying like a baby. I was a mess for a few days until I started becoming tolerant to the effects.

I have had so many freinds that became lifeless addicted to the combination of sedatives and opiates. initially the combination feels great.
good enough to burn holes in everything around you, including yourself when on the nod combination of dope and benzo's

you either run a greater risk of resp. depression and waking up blue in the face or dead.......or, having an addiction that becomes dangerous to withdrawal from.
I have seen people turned away from getting arrested, with drugs on them...because the cops did not want to bring benzo dependent people into jail, and then have to foot rehab. they took the heroin, and let them keep the pills that they werent even supposed to have. just because the cops did not want to be liable for taking their pills and having them die later.

withdrawing the way I usually do, utilizing benzo's and sedatives as the main aid to detox...is a long ass bitch of a way to detox. you have to detox from the opiates.....and then the sedatives....in a way, the mental pain of quitting the sedatives is worse.

I would suggest to your uncle of maybe researching some of the herbal sedatives that are discussed here and at entheogen.com quite a bit.
things like dan shan(salvia M), chamomille, mulungu, skullcap, ladys slipper, passion flower can have interesting sedative effects especially when combined with opiates/opioids.....these substances for the most part seem of low impact as far as habituation is concerned. salvia M, or dan shen, has even shown some clinical efficacy in treating alcohol and benzo withdrawal. chrysin, a substance found in certian passion flower, is a partial benzo, and mild relaxant I hear....even though it seems to be used mainly by weight lifters because of other bioactive activity.
chamomille suprisingly reacts very strong with opiates in particular....and for me, seems to increase euphoria as well.
of course the herb research is not risk free, and its possible that combining anything with the way some people use heroin and other opiates/opioids is going to be a problem.

I have freinds that have died from the combination of dope and sedatives....its a dangerous combo at times.

its a creepy thing to watch someone to start having a problem with the benzo's when they are a dope addict. conversations become problematic...and for the most part,...some peoples IQ's seem to drop a hundred points at some points in their inebriation.

even a mild sedative like scopolamine seems to have some negative impact on ones mental constitution when used for a long period of time. I found that out, after I consumed datura seeds for a few months everyday in varying doses. I was researching the potential of the plant for meditation/spirituality, and as a tonic like substance. its mild if you keep the doses low...and there is pretty much 0% problems with hallucinations or delerium in the low doses. people are maintained on these substances for long periods of time with low doses.
but my wife really noticed my attitude change after a week of me quitting the datura seed regimine. my grumpiness level dropped off quite a bit she thought.
the benefit of using datura daily seems lower than the benefit of an occasional alterative or entheogenic substance. used in low doses I see why datura is used in the old chinese joy pill formula's... it readily increased analgesia and euphoria when used alongside opiates.

if a person can keep the dose steady, they might handle the whole benzo thing well.
but if they are using IV, and doing lots of different types of substances...and especially if they are using undstandardized street opiates like heroin with benzo's....it can be a trainwreck.
its similiar to shooting speedballs in my opinion...nearly everyone I know that started combining their daily opiate habit, and mixing with cocaine....basically lost their footing within months time.
some people lost everything, their life, kids. etc.
many just backslid while on the combo, until monetary and shelter issues forced them to quit.

opiates as a maintenance drug, can be handled quite well by a good number of people. personally I was that type of addict.
I was happy with a moderate dose compared to doing too much for my own good.
puking everyday for a few years was the penalty I paid for using opiates in an out of control fashion.
I am lucky I have all my teeth and a trachea/throat to swallow with still.

when people start combining opiates and benzo's...the car wrecks start happening.
look for paint streaks running the whole length of the car, from swiping a high curb, and not even noticing.
if they are lucky they will be just the stupid bump and grind car wrecks that someone hardly notices...and not all out running red lights and t-boning a family coming from church.
its like a cliche...the person starts combining xanax bars with their meds or their heroin, and the car starts to show up with bangs and dents.
but its true...and the person either doesnt even remember, ...or they write it off as a sort of joke...or just an unlucky mishap. many time...they just lie. and say they got sideswiped...or, because they dont even remember the moment...they REALLY think that they were hit and ran out on.

another place in a person's life that is impacted when combining these drugs is, their work perfomance.
some people simply medicate themselves into a whole other tax bracket when having issues with this combination. I have seen it happen more than a couple of times with people that I work with in restaraunts. a waiter will be completely fucked in front of customers...but swear they are sober.
really...it becomes pathetic.
behind the front of the house, back in the kitchen, the person fucked on this combo becomes a hazard to themselves and their co workers. burning, cutting, and fumbling themselves into getting sent home early...or just straight up fired.
forced into rehab if they are lucky.

I aint going to tell a 50 year old man to handle his shit...
but I do know if he hasnt learned a lesson with these substances by now....he could really still have some painful learning experiences coming his way.
people lose compassion as you grow older. a kid with a problem can get alot more help and support than an older guy...

[Restharrow]

This is simple. I've done this before to people I care about. Call his Dr, and let him know he has a problem with xanax. Tell the Dr. he abuses the pills, and is likely to try and come in and scam a prescription. You don't need to leave your name or anything, just drop an anonymous tip. I did this for my brother when he was whacked out on Benzos. Overnight....no more benzos for lil bro.

Its obvious from your post that he does not need any of these pills for any legit medical conditions, he just likes getting fucked up off them. So don't look at it like you are barring them from getting legit meds to treat actual medical conditions.

Its that simple.

This is why I do NOT let my family know much medical info like doctor's names. Its that simple.

Will

[Larry]

First of all, I cant believe all the replies everyone has left... You guys are really like a family to me

By the way, Yes my dad is very sick from a form of cancer, he could live for 2 more months or another year they simply dont know. I get the xanax legit, and i noticed some were missing meaning he stole em.. The last 2 days were absolutely horrible I wouldnt of wished it on my worst enemy.


I cant move out of the house because he does need someone to take care of him. Right now and a close personal friend are in the process of starting up our own business, once it takes off... I cant take it anymore I thought about it ALOT and Decided Im going to move out, I have to for my own sanity or Im gonna end up ......I dont even want to say because with everything thats been happening lately I wont talk about that stuff.

The last 4-5 days, ive only got 2 hours of sleep a night if that. Tonight I finally got a decent amount of sleep.

Im VERY late for work, and I apologize for not getting to all the messages you all were SO KIND to leave me especially the person who left me a private message. When I get back from work I`ll def be on here and would love to talk with you guys if the offer still stands

You guys are truely like a family to me (Im sorry if that sounds really weird becauase I know people will think like that). I dont have anyone close in my life, No Family WHAT-SO-EVER

I Just wanted To Thank-You All From The Bottom of my Hearts, and I dont know if you believe in Karma but everyone who helped or atleast tried to should have some Karma Points

Sorry Guys I gotta take off ASAP ~ I will drop in later tonight

Thank You For Everything and when I get home I will be sure to go through every single post and show him how dangerous this fucking crap is.

Thanks Again & God Bless Everyone

Talk To You All Soon,
Lar