Tell me what you guys think, first pictures of "SWIMS" (haha) harvest

[JayTrizzle]

SWIM's plants are just about done, one of them just came out the jars, it flowered a lot more quickly then we expected, see picture attached of the Orange Crush, which is the densest sweetest smelling of the bunch. I imagine our, I mean, us SWIMS White Russian (White Widow/AK47 cross) is going to be the best, but it's a normal flowering time so they wont be ready for another two weeks (thats one more week for flowering and one for curing. Us SWIMS' Straight 48 SHOULD have been the first one to be done, our co-op of SWIMS is haveing a trimming party this weekend for those, so I'm hoping, I mean, SWIM is hoping the White Russian will be done right around Halloween, as we're heading up to a two day Yonder Mountain String Band mini-fest over Halloween weekend. Anyway, this is the first pick of the first bud that came outta the jar...drool and ask for more pics and i'll put up SWIMS different strains when they're ready.


Ok actually my phone is fucked up so i'll show you guys the first set of plants the SWIM co-op got i guess.

Got to figure out how to send shit to my album on this crappy go phone

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That was SWIM co-op's first plant, some Atomic. It was THE HEEEAT. I'll get those good ones up as soon as i can, please follow along, we're very anxious to see what people think :) I thought we've been doing a good job :) That wasn't a top either hehe, it was TOWARDS the top, but it was just a big ass side bud, you can imagine what the top looked like. That bud alone weighed between an eighth and a quarter. Anyone have suggestions on how to help dense our buds up? SWIM co-op is using a 1000w silver halide in the flowering room, and it's making a lot of bud growth, but we really want them to dense up a little more on the White Russian. We also have some Trainwreck (which will get sold as we;ve been burned out on it), we have some more of whats in the picture, the Atomic, and we have some I believe Blueberry x Purple Island Super Skunk going too. But the wreck, the atomic, and the Blueberry Island won't be ready for quite a while. Let me know what you guys think about adding more density if you have any tips.

[chopstix]

They'll tighten up as they cure..

[Dan Steely]

More light is always nice if ya can keep the heat down. Add a 1000 hps to the mix. 2 lights isn't twice as good, it's 2.5 to 3 times better. and hydro in case you don't know already. and lose the lab partner hippy, it ain't high school bio. jk, sorta, have fun man.

[Spork]

Add a CO2 enrichment system, can increase your yields by 200%!

You can build one out of parts from Harbor Freight and eBay nitrous solenoids for around 250-300$

[chopstix]

$300?? Damn, lots of ways to beat that cost, but ya, CO2 system, even light and appropriate ventilation, smart layout.. Don't forget o2 to the root system, my next dream crop will be a focus on maximizing attention to the roots, including a drip system and highly aerobic substrate & container - amazing how thirsty they get in the end..

Anyone with experience with the new LED systems? No heat, low power and crazy adjustable spectrum - looks like some good shit..

[Dan Steely]

I poked around on the net and what little info that was there about led seemed to imply that they were not really a viable option yet. On the other hand the newer t5 florescents are very bright and would be good for veg, supplemental perimiter, or where height limitations are an issue. They put out similar lumen to watt ratios as hps.

[JayTrizzle]

i know for a fact that the density has something to to with the curing and the lights. We got em hanging now and they're already gettin less stringy, just smoked some quick dry so we'd havy bud for the trimming lol. Also, we got these HUGE globs of straight resin on the ends of the sheers, scraped em off, threw em on top of that bowl and it was KIIIILL. Lol it was fucking awesome, I can't wait til they're done hangin man.

[chopstix]

^^that finger or scissor hash is the shit, huh? Nothing tastes like that stuff..

Just as good as honey oil.. Shit's so potent I get really heavy body rushes taking big hits of it, then I stare at the wall for 2hrs..

[limitless_euphoria]

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^^^ limitless_euphoria likes this.

Oh wait, I'm not on Facebook am I?

[hovadagod]

Get more 400watt lights rather than a 1000watter I thinks.

[oxy kid]

wow cool deal. Looks like your on the right track. I had a guy come speak when I was in treatment that got a degree in horticulture....and he said he didn't know what the hell he wanted to do so he said...what the hell, I'll just grow.

His explanations were some of the most outrageous and amazing things I've ever heard when it comes to growing. Dude knew his stuff. Then something about they got popped, skipped town, found the needle, and went down hill eventually getting clean, and NOW talking at rehab.

Hey, just think about that though. Even during our economic times, we have so much knowledge and experiences with substance abuse, theres bound to be a rehab somewhere that would hire you as a counselor or something. I know the one I was at, you had to be clean a year I think. It might be hard being around junkies all day everyday, or it'd keep you in line.....sorry I got off subject.

[b00ty_m4n]

Thats some fuckin' killer looking bud congrats looks like youll be having some high times! Id love to see more pics!

[Shadowsblaze]

I love looking at new buds and you have a nice colection. Wondering if some of your crosses, did you develope yourself. Chops mentioning the honey oil made me remember a storry.

I gave a friend the instructions to make oil and he was going to use a quater pound first time. Well he used a hotplate in his little camper and when I came over he showed me all the plant material in a pot and said what do I do next. I told him to boil the liquid down slowly untill it thickens. He says what liquid, I say from this vegitation that he boiled. He tells me he thru it out. I was dumbfounded but started laughing my ass off and couldn't stop. He dug up the dirt and put it in a pot and saved some but the taste was off. Funny shit.

[chopstix]

I poked around on the net and what little info that was there about led seemed to imply that they were not really a viable option yet. On the other hand the newer t5 florescents are very bright and would be good for veg, supplemental perimiter, or where height limitations are an issue. They put out similar lumen to watt ratios as hps.

I missed this post the last time around, I talked to a guy for awhile and looked at an LED system that seemed really trick, haven't talked to anyone else or done any research though. Not ready to invest another grand at this point.

You're right though, the new T5s are cool for vegging, and I like how you can put them pretty much anywhere you want them, I looked into those but decided a modern digital ballast was a better investment for what I needed. I could see a few T5s in the future for cloning/vegging..

I love looking at new buds and you have a nice colection. Wondering if some of your crosses, did you develope yourself. Chops mentioning the honey oil made me remember a storry.

I gave a friend the instructions to make oil and he was going to use a quater pound first time. Well he used a hotplate in his little camper and when I came over he showed me all the plant material in a pot and said what do I do next. I told him to boil the liquid down slowly untill it thickens. He says what liquid, I say from this vegitation that he boiled. He tells me he thru it out. I was dumbfounded but started laughing my ass off and couldn't stop. He dug up the dirt and put it in a pot and saved some but the taste was off. Funny shit.

How was he trying to make the oil?? Most people use butane (you can use CO2 but butane is easier tho more dangerous), it freezes everything but the oil and it washes it right off, then just evap - easiest thing ever to make, just don't light a match..

[pain-pateint]

SWIM's plants are just about done, one of them just came out the jars, it flowered a lot more quickly then we expected, see picture attached of the Orange Crush, which is the densest sweetest smelling of the bunch. I imagine our, I mean, us SWIMS White Russian (White Widow/AK47 cross) is going to be the best, but it's a normal flowering time so they wont be ready for another two weeks (thats one more week for flowering and one for curing. Us SWIMS' Straight 48 SHOULD have been the first one to be done, our co-op of SWIMS is haveing a trimming party this weekend for those, so I'm hoping, I mean, SWIM is hoping the White Russian will be done right around Halloween, as we're heading up to a two day Yonder Mountain String Band mini-fest over Halloween weekend. Anyway, this is the first pick of the first bud that came outta the jar...drool and ask for more pics and i'll put up SWIMS different strains when they're ready.


Ok actually my phone is fucked up so i'll show you guys the first set of plants the SWIM co-op got i guess.

Got to figure out how to send shit to my album on this crappy go phone

http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/793/2c14411f85e611850790450.jpg

That was SWIM co-op's first plant, some Atomic. It was THE HEEEAT. I'll get those good ones up as soon as i can, please follow along, we're very anxious to see what people think :) I thought we've been doing a good job :) That wasn't a top either hehe, it was TOWARDS the top, but it was just a big ass side bud, you can imagine what the top looked like. That bud alone weighed between an eighth and a quarter. Anyone have suggestions on how to help dense our buds up? SWIM co-op is using a 1000w silver halide in the flowering room, and it's making a lot of bud growth, but we really want them to dense up a little more on the White Russian. We also have some Trainwreck (which will get sold as we;ve been burned out on it), we have some more of whats in the picture, the Atomic, and we have some I believe Blueberry x Purple Island Super Skunk going too. But the wreck, the atomic, and the Blueberry Island won't be ready for quite a while. Let me know what you guys think about adding more density if you have any tips.


Have you considered switching to a High Pressure Sodium (HPS) lamp in the flowering room? It generally produces better yields than MH (Metal Halide) lamps, which are usually used in the veg room.

[JayTrizzle]

Actually it's funny you said that a buddy just moved to another city and just hooked us up with a 1000 watt HPS, I just cant believe it came out so stringy. Like we got four mason jars full of the straight 48 and it weighs MAYBE 3 oz's. It IS dank though, so only thing SWIM co op has to work on is density.

[Shadowsblaze]

What temp was it kept at after the additional light.

[Dan Steely]

What temp was it kept at after the additional light.

I think he said he just got the 1k hps.

fwiw I've never regretted buying a new Hortilux bulb. They cost a little more but believe me they are so worth it. I'll also vouch for GH three part nutrient system. It's tough to beat and it's very forgiving. Sure there's other good ones and I've used some but I always go back to GH, so do my friends and we've all been at it for 20 yrs.

[Woody Bear]

Keep the room between 70 - 78°F with 75°F being perfect. Keep the humidity at 60% right up to 3rd week of flowering, then drop it down a bit each week, keeping it at 40% from week 6 and onwards of flowering.

Keep that 1000w light no closer than 3 feet above the plants, young plants will need it higher. For a 400w light, don't let it get closer than 2 feet away from the plants, and only let it get that close during weeks 4 - 6 of flowering.

3 ounces from a 1000w light is around 0.1 gram per watt, which is a very poor yield. And I'd be willing to bet, that it's because the light is too close.

Getting the light's too close, is the number one killer of yield. Get the light the right distance, and with a good crop you can get 1 gram per w. Get the light too close, and even if the plants don't burn, it stresses them, and this cuts the yield way down.

A lot of growers make this mistake, because they think, "The more light, the better", but if that was the case, the closer the light gets to the plants, then the higher the yield would be, when if fact the opposite is true.

Also let the plants get good and healthy before you flower them. They should be a minimum of 12 inches tall, and all look super healthy first.

[JayTrizzle]

it stays at 73 constantly, checked every four hours. i mean everything is set up so perfect, and no that the white rhino is come in it looks WAAAAY denser, and that particular plant bushed out a lot more than it grew up tall. The straight 48 was a little over six feet tall with two big main stems. This rhino has like a nob on the very bottom and then TONS of big stems bushing out. You can tell the difference in density also because the stems the buds are attatched to on the the rhino are drooping under the weight to where we've had to tie some light supports to 'em. I don't know, maybe it was the strain or something, cuz like i said every thing else was perfect, perfect amount of bud to plant ratio, molecules were nice and ambery and mushroomed, it's just weird obviously one of the plants was an indica and one is a sativa because this rhino is looking really heavy, although it's the only one thats been through any HPS yet. We have a little tiny half foot tall Atomic in there too that, surprisingly, has a huge cola soming off the top of it lol and smells by far the best of anything we've had so that'll be nice that we'll have that for right around christmas. So nice to not have to worry about where you're gonna get your shit aint it?

[JayTrizzle]

Oh dude, we never flower until the plants are a foot tall. We know what we're doing, and everything we got was inherited from someone who's been doing it a long time. I think we have screwed the pooch on that first plant because we had like, BIBLICAL flood rains and the basement that the plants were in flooded, didn't effect the plants at all, no mold nothing like that, but Im thinking it may have thrown off the humidity level for that first plant.

[Woody Bear]

Check out this grow video, and see how they ran the room. Take a note of how far away they got the lights above the plants, and the high humidity at the start. Most cannabis growers don't get as good results as this because they get the lights too close, and give too much light early on when the plants can't use it, and this stresses them out which damages the yield.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6583702968043014177&hl=en#

[Dan Steely]

Excellent video. They show a nice simple and productive setup. Lots of ways to skin a cat though. As you get more experienced you can get a little more aggressive.

They had the lights about 20 inches above the flowering plants. Nearly twice that for young'ns. I always kept them between 15-24 inches in flowering depending on variety of factors.

The biggest plants I ever saw used a relatively unique lighting setup. The 4 lights were hung vertical with no hoods. It was very cool. They had 4 bulbs hung in a square. The bulbs were actually among the tops of some 5-6 foot plants that were shaped pretty much like christmas trees. They didn't have many plants but they were huge. Easily 1/2 lb per plant prob more like 1 lb.The room was basicly a giant hood itself. They also used an extremely oxygenated bucket hydro system. The roots were suspended in a constant froth of water and air. The plants really looked like some very well formed outdoor plants they were so big. Cool setup with the lights. The spacing and reflective walls created a very well distributed light bath. Very effective because the light was hitting the plants from all directions, not just from above which leads to a lot of the plant being shaded by itself and "light" hot spots as well as heat.

[JayTrizzle]

Yeah we do keep the lights pretty close, but we had to on those first two plants, we kinda let them get a little crazy during veg so they ended up being almost to the ceiling in the space we have. That's why we started flowering everything else at a foot, gives us plenty of room that way. BTW we just harvested the Rhino, and MAN, that 1000 watt was fucking toatlly worth it, and for some reason the electric bill actually went DOWN, lol. We ended up with like 6 times more off of the rhino than we did from the 48, the buds are MASSIVE. Think the 1000 watt ended up being the best bet. I'll get some pictures up after they're done curing, it'll be at least a week we just hung them up like two days ago, and like I said they are way more dense so it'll take quite a bit longer to dry them then the 48 did.

[sweetpoppygrrl]

i think she's bee-yoo-tea-full...

well done grasshopper...

[JTDuffet]

do you got anything else growing currently? and if so, why no pics.. thanks

-jt