Documentary on Florida Oxy Pill Mills

[TrackStar0420]

http://www.hulu.com/watch/100279/vanguard-the-oxycontin-express

Check it out, tell me what you think.

[Oakleyskier]

it said it didn't work, and to try again later :( i was mucho interested in watching that.

NEVERMIND ITS WORKING, I'M MAD EXCITED TO SEE THIS.


oh my god this is ridiculous. and the cops in philly and jersey beat me up, throw me around and persecute me any chance they can, while this shit is going on in florida.... FUCK THAT.

[port rhombus]

Smoking OC--disgusting. What a waste.

[mikey5string]

makes me want to go to florida.

[JonnyMohawk]

The film is incredibly biased ...

[Opiyum]

I was always curious why Broward had so many pain clinics. So at the very least I was happy to learn the answer to that question. Other than that I didn't think much of it and stopped watching after ten minutes.

[Oakleyskier]

The film is incredibly biased ...


i dont get it? will you explain your point? maybe i'm biased but i think sham doctors being crooks is absolutely ridiculous, whether I'm a down and out junky or not.

[JonnyMohawk]

i dont get it? will you explain your point? maybe i'm biased but i think sham doctors being crooks is absolutely ridiculous, whether I'm a down and out junky or not.

The film takes the stance that pain medication is a negative thing, "these are drug dealers with degrees".

The whole film shows doctors over prescribing meds, it doesn't really touch the legitimate side of pain.

I will go deeper into it in about 5 minutes when the movie is over.

[Oakleyskier]

yeah i completely understand what your saying now. but you should still go deeper when your done because it is an interesting topic.

i thought you were saying they were biased as in that they show the addicts in a bad light, and show the sham docs as being money hungry bastards.

[dieselbaby]

I wasn't able to get past 1:30 into it. Idiots chasing oxy on a piece of foil and lines like "oxycontin is the same as heroin but it's made by a pharmaceutical company" and "if they have a choice between heroin and oxycontin they are choosing the oxy, hands down" are so ignorant it's nauseating.

[Mallinckrodt]

I wasn't able to get past 1:30 into it. Idiots chasing oxy on a piece of foil and lines like "oxycontin is the same as heroin but it's made by a pharmaceutical company" and "if they have a choice between heroin and oxycontin they are choosing the oxy, hands down" are so ignorant it's nauseating.


+1 on that.

I did watch a bit further in though. That anchor lady is pretty hot. . .something about her that I like, can't quite place it though. . .

[SHELLEY]

i dont get it? will you explain your point? maybe i'm biased but i think sham doctors being crooks is absolutely ridiculous, whether I'm a down and out junky or not.


oh no, those evil evil doctors who only want money!
in exchange for something that people want, no less!
those bastards :rolleyes:

[EleusisII]

The film takes the stance that pain medication is a negative thing, "these are drug dealers with degrees".

The whole film shows doctors over prescribing meds, it doesn't really touch the legitimate side of pain.

I will go deeper into it in about 5 minutes when the movie is over.

Well, lemme just for once takes my colleagues side. Or at least explain why it IS that way.
You see, every time a journalist wants to tell a story, he has to choose an angle. In this case the angle was: "I want to tell about pill mills in Florida", not "I want to tell about pain management".

40 minutes for a TV documentary is surprisingly little. You gotta have your interviews, explain the whole situation, AND on top use 4-5 min on background shots of people walking, picking up the phone, etc. so your braindead viewers will have something to stare at, while you introduce who's talking.
It's not easy. And unless you Ken Burns who can make a series of 8 hours, there's no time to tell it all.

Finally: Its also your own fucking fault. When was the last time you bought a newspaper subscription, or bought a magazine that dwelves deeper than your average issue of Times? Seen any documentaries lately? Quality journalism isn't free, and unless somebody supports it, everything goes to fucking hell.



Oh, and if a journalist ever tries to talk you into a documentary on druguse, just say fucking no. They'll try sweettalking you, theres dozens of ways to talk a healthily sceptical person into saying exactly what you want them to hear, and trust me, we know them all.

Trust me, you'll have absolutely nothing to gain from it, besides a little camwhoriness, and if you believe you'll end up saying: "Geez, I'm really surprised at how fair and balanced this documentary makes me look" I got a bridge to sell you.

Journalists aren't assholes, but like anyone they got bills to pay, and addictions to feed.

[Spork]

There shouldn't be an apostrophe in the word "Mill" in the title of the post :)

With that said, lucky Floridians... :(

[corlene]

The documentary above was really spot on as to how easy it is to pick up one of several publications who advertise the services of these quack docs. All you need is a mri be it remarkable or unremarkable and a printout of a prescription history from a pharmacy and the floodgates of pills will open. This has been going on for 10+ years with more and more clinics opening weekly. Hell, on craigslist there are ads recruiting doctors to join the clinics with pay anywhere from 1500-5k/base/day plus 10% on the pharmacy sales.

I'm not going to bullshit though, I certainly do go to one of these clinics.

And walking out with that number of pills they portrayed in the documentary is not uncommon.

[OverDriven]

I think it's safe to say that dude will not be scoring in Florida anymore. Why the fuck would any junkie agree to be on camera and get people busted like that??? Shit...I wouldn't be surprised if he gets a visit or two from some of the people he implicated in this.

[Opiyum]

oh no, those evil evil doctors who only want money!
in exchange for something that people want, no less!
those bastards :rolleyes:

Oh beautiful!!
Those bastards indeed.


Hero's of the war on drugs these doctors are.
I might have some animosity towards these doctors, if say, they were out getting people hooked and tossing them out to pre-teens like candy but they aren't. All these doctors are doing is providing people who are already addicted (in 99% of the cases I'd be willing to bet) a safer alternative to cop their dope then having to buy it off the street in dangerous neighborhoods and the dope there might not be dope. Not to mention overdoses are much more common with heroin then they are with pharms because it's hard to tell how much your actually doing and if it's fent then god help you cause you gonna DIE.
These doctors are pioneers. They are true patriots. They are literally life savers. The only negative that comes to mind, in relation to opiate addicts, is the damage it does to those seeking legitimate scripts. Other than that these docs are fucking heros risking many years of schooling and money and their freedom. Sure they aren't doing it out of the kindness of their heart but it's no different from a plastic surgeon. Money makes the world go around and in some cases thank god it does.

These doctors deserve a fucking plaque on the wall here at opiophile in my opinion.

I ended up watching the whole thing and that bitch florida representative is going to dramatically increase the heroin trade if she gets what she wants. So instead of the money going into these doctors and nurses and secretaries pockets it's going to be going south.

[OverDriven]

Oh beautiful!!
Those bastards indeed.


Hero's of the war on drugs these doctors are.
I might have some animosity towards these doctors, if say, they were out getting people hooked and tossing them out to pre-teens like candy but they aren't. All these doctors are doing is providing people who are already addicted (in 99% of the cases I'd be willing to bet) a safer alternative to cop their dope then having to buy it off the street in dangerous neighborhoods and the dope there might not be dope. Not to mention overdoses are much more common with heroin then they are with pharms because it's hard to tell how much your actually doing and if it's fent then god help you cause you gonna DIE.
These doctors are pioneers. They are true patriots. They are literally life savers. The only negative that comes to mind, in relation to opiate addicts, is the damage it does to those seeking legitimate scripts. Other than that these docs are fucking heros risking many years of schooling and money and their freedom. Sure they aren't doing it out of the kindness of their heart but it's no different from a plastic surgeon. Money makes the world go around and in some cases thank god it does.

These doctors deserve a fucking plaque on the wall here at opiophile in my opinion.

I ended up watching the whole thing and that bitch florida representative is going to dramatically increase the heroin trade if she gets what she wants. So instead of the money going into these doctors and nurses and secretaries pockets it's going to be going south.

I'm on the fence about this. I think that they give some people a way to get into drugs that otherwise would not have gotten into them. Lots of people are afraid to go into the ghetto to score. This removes that barrier completely, and wraps the whole package up with a nice pretty ribbon. On the other hand, it probably cuts down on gang crime because people would rather get it like this than from some street dealer.

I do think it's incredibly ironic that the cop in the video from Kentucky says "almost everyone in this town has had their life affected by oxy", but he doesn't realize that this wouldn't be the case were they not jailing people for getting high in the first place. So who's fault is it? The guy doing the pills or the guy who makes it illegal?

[Opiyum]

Yeah I hear ya but I don't think it's any more popular than anywhere else just because of the availability. If so then it's only because those already hooked have flocked to the area.
I just don't think they are out there creating addicts and I do think that if these docs weren't there doing this that these people would find a way one way or the other.

Oh...about the cop...what was with the three year mandatory minimum thing I heard. I think I heard that twice in the documentary and that seems awful steep just for being busted for possession. IS he getting Trafficing maybe because the pills were from Florida? Is that whats going on you think?

[OverDriven]

Yeah I hear ya but I don't think it's any more popular than anywhere else just because of the availability. If so then it's only because those already hooked have flocked to the area.
I just don't think they are out there creating addicts and I do think that if these docs weren't there doing this that these people would find a way one way or the other.

Oh...about the cop...what was with the three year mandatory minimum thing I heard. I think I heard that twice in the documentary and that seems awful steep just for being busted for possession. IS he getting Trafficing maybe because the pills were from Florida? Is that whats going on you think?

Yeah I think it was because they were trafficing across state lines...making it a federal crime.

[Opiyum]

By that logic though couldn't I get trafficking considering the heroin I may possess at any time was at some point shipped across state lines...and across borders and possibly oceans etc etc.

Either we are wrong in our assumption of that is total bullshit. I mean they can't actually prove he is the one who brought it up from Florida or at least if they can't than that charge is total BS and even if he did the only reason for the warrant is because of a suspicion of him dealing...at least I would think so....I'm making way too many assumptions here. Ill just stop.

[EleusisII]

I'm with Opiyum on this one. Def.
Yeah, some people should never be scripted narcotics. I'm of the opinion that Americans are overprescribed in regards to opiates, but you know something? This isn't a GP giving somebody Vicodin and Valium because their back aches a little. These are people treating addicts and they know what's up. Sure, they don't do it merely out of their goodness of their hearts, but fuckit, everybody gots to make a living. And as for the dude who bitches about doctors giving him that many pills, there's prob a special place in hell for people showing hypocrisy to that degree. He willingly went to them, doctorshopped and lied to them, and now he's bawwwing? Fuck him. Seriously. And let's hope that some ambitious local DA is going to send his whiny little ass to the shade for a couple of years for doctorshopping. And for bbeing a whiny bitch.

[ox-e]

That video can pretty much sum up most of Broward and west palm beach county . There are alot of crooked doctors who will only require an MRI or an X-ray and start you on a dose of 240 roxy 30s and 90 xanax to sleep. Some don't even require MRI or X-ray, they just take the cash and dispense on site after a quick 10 minute visit, a vital check and a talk about the weather. My doctor luckily is legit and I have a reason for getting my pain meds but I do not deny that I abuse them. I try not to, but its tempting sometimes. Some months I wont need as many and some months ill need more so i always have leftovers and may binge occasionally.

it took me a long time to build up trust with my doctor, And the only reason I am at where I am now is because my tolerance went up nonstop over the past few years and its finally came to a point where its ok and I dont need to move it up. I tried everything first before doing opiates and none of it worked. I have met truckloads of people who have came down from out of state to doctor shop and fill scripts at my pharm and other ones, sometimes they run it dry. The one pharmacy I go to once said they can go through 20 to 30 thousand roxies a day. Everyone walking in there is either fiending or looking perfectly fine with their "severe" back or neck pain. I may have posted this before, But some of them are even on the phone as they wait for their medication in the pharmacy doing deals. Some even ride along with the person from the doc to the pharmacy and buy the pills soon as they get to their car.

I get approached constantly asking what I got filled and if its opiates if i want to sell any, which is very sketchy. I always say im filling antibiotics for a cold, First thing I do is stuff the oxy bottles in my pockets. One doctor I went to for a suboxone treatment just to pickup a script for a friend who was too afraid. I picked up 90 suboxones and 90 xanax 2mg's on the 2nd visit all the while the same doctor was mentioning that he could prescribe me 240 oxy 30s instead if I wanted to try pain management again (it was an all cash place no insurance, dispense on site right in broward county).

After watching that video the other day I am going to go even farther out of my way to avoid people outside the store trying to buy from me. I wish I could fill my oxy scripts elsewhere, but the only places that have them are filled with other people like this. For a time I was filling at publix and then they ran out and the manager was very nice but told me had to stop ordering them because the volume of bad customers they get trying to pull scams and such.

[Larry]

I will pass on this documentary... I can only imagine how many people watched this, well what about CP Patients who dont have a choice because they were only able to find doctors who are if lucky giving them 30 vicodins, as for anyone who stands up towards a video like this I pray you never fall and break your back and cant get meds. From what others have posted *because I will NOT watch this* Nor am I even from Florida, what about the REAL CP Patients and at the next family reunion one of there family members finds out they are RX Oxy = Well with a documentary like this, YOU ARE IMMEDIATLY A JUNKIE in the eyes of anyone who watched this so called documentary.

Dont get me wrong I think its fucked up any tom, dick or harry can walk in there and get those ridiculious scripts, That we only dream of getting but if you think this type of documentary does anything but totally FUCK things up for people in real cp pain... you should feel the same way as I do because its just a matter of time .

We all know oxy has a big stigma but with these documentaries the stigma we have come to known is nothing compared to how it will be.

Another thing how come this shit is so fuckin biasis , I guess thats just the way of the game... anyways sorry for the rant for someone who hasnt even seen the documentary its pretty damn easy to put 2+2 together and see where all of this is going

I just dont think its fair if you get oxy you should have to feel like a full blown drug addict plus be embarrased just because of a few bad seeds.

[EleusisII]

I just dont think its fair if you get oxy you should have to feel like a full blown drug addict plus be embarrased just because of a few bad seeds. Hate to break it to ya, but at the end of the day, you're still addicted, and hence have a lot more in common with any other addict than you might like to admit.
"Oh, but I don't IV! And I get mine from a doctor!" At the end of the day, route of administration and source of your poison don't make it that much of a difference, does it?

Nor am I even from Florida, what about the REAL CP Patients and at the next family reunion one of there family members finds out they are RX Oxy OHNOES!!! The bad drug addicts smear you, a fine well regarded upstanding citizen, with just a smidge of narcotic habbit, merely by association! An OUTrage I say! Call the lawyers! The JEWISH lawyers!

If the drugs are worth it, stand up for yourself. If what your family thinks really keeps you awake at night, quit doing them.
(Just beside the fact that this documentary was about pill mills, not about chronic pain treatment, and most intelligent people should be able to tell the difference.)

And regarding the REAL CP patients, get off your high horse. You don't have a RIGHT to narcotics, anymore than anybody else. You don't even NEED them, even though you might like to say so, more than anybody else. You NEED air, you NEED food and water, not having narcotics available might be a major inconvenience, but you're not going to die because you have to forego.

Whether you're a CP patient or not is an arbitrary judgement, hell it's not even a diagnosis in itself, made by a doctor. So in reality, yeah there's not that much difference between you and the people you saw in the documentary. Who just like you also went to see a doctor, to get a subjective opinion on whether he or she qualifies for narcotics.

My doctor luckily is legit and I have a reason for getting my pain meds

Oh, well thank god that your doc is from that other medical school, that trains legit doctors... And that you have a reason for geting you pain meds. You know, unlike people like the ones in the documentrary, who just get them for shit and giggles.

but I do not deny that I abuse them.So what again is the difference between you and people that get their pills from pill mills?

http://forum.opiophile.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=4102&stc=1&d=1255091752


You both get them from doctors that you're both dishonest with (I assume you don't tell your doc about your binges) and you both abuse them. What' big difference again?


I have met truckloads of people who have came down from out of state to doctor shop and fill scripts at my pharm and other ones, sometimes they run it dry.
And they dare INCONVENIENCE YOU?!? Clearly these peope, who you have absolutely nothing in common with :rolleyes: should be banned from the pharmacy if not the entire state of Florida!

But some of them are even on the phone as they wait for their medication in the pharmacy doing deals. Oh yeah, I'm sure they even ask the pharmacist himself sometimes, what the daily price of oxys is...
Pharmacists do NOT have to fill any script they get. Which in this case makes the pharmacist a greedy immoral POS, who's clearly beneath you to deal with, or it makes you a sad POS, who doesn't mind lying on the internet, to make a story even better.

I get approached constantly asking what I got filled and if its opiates if i want to sell any, which is very sketchy.Terrible! How dare these lowlifes ask a fellow abuser who happens to be slightly better off, a QUESTION?!? Surely you called the police, right? Cause if you don't put if your foot down NOW, they might start asking you if you can spare a cigarette!


One doctor I went to for a suboxone treatment just to pickup a script for a friend who was too afraid.
K buddy... There's nothing wrong with doctor shopping. It only becomes pathetic when you have to come up with a halfassed excuse like that. "Oh no, I don't come here for myself! I just you know,
show fake ID and so on, cause my friend, he's scared, yes SCARED to come himself!"

But you know what the REALLY pathetic thing is? It's when a drugabuser like yourself, goes to a pharmacy to get his fix, sees other drugabusers there, and instead of being, idk thankful for being better off than them, or seeing other people who're in the same situation as him, or just seeing a fellow human being, he see's people that are worse than him, and thinks of all the ways in which he is he surely is superior, and his circumstances are SOO different from theirs, and how he can avoid these lowlifes.

Well look in the mirror buddy, cause you ARE that lowlife and drugabuser yourself.

[abner]

off topic: this is from the channel, Current. It's really among the few tv stations that I generally watch. Most of the docs they have are pretty spot on. They aired one on medical marijuana a few months back and it was really informative, albeit a bit partial towards the complete legalization. However, the partialness didn't bother me much. largely due to the fact that I lean in the same direction. Damn evolution making me not be able to be objective! haha

[SHELLEY]

elusius: round of fucking applause
i get fed up with REAL pain patients and their LEGIT doctors
looking down on those awful drug seekers and their quack doctors
who, amazingly enough, went to the same medical schools as their legit doctors
and oh yeah, the real pain patients want the same drugs as these evil drug seekers
imagine that shit? maybe they have something in common, no?

if you get your oxy from a "legit" dr, or a "quack" dr, or on the streets, it's the same shit

[EleusisII]

After watching that video the other day I am going to go even farther out of my way to avoid people outside the store trying to buy from me. I wish I could fill my oxy scripts elsewhere,


See, this is where you officially went from just being a douchebag, to being a real asshole IMHO.
How DARE they inconvenience a clearly superior junkie for even A SECOND!?!? Don't they realize that people might see you, put two and two together, and realize that you're a junkie too?!?

But see, it' kinda too late for that. I'll let you in on a little secret that I guess you were too busy being smug to notice. And it's kinda funny methinks. You see, the pharmacists themselves have you pegged as a lowlife.

but the only places that have them are filled with other people like this.

LOL! Of course not! MOST pharmacies have a popular med like roxies, and the people behind or ahead of you probably got their prescription filled. But you know what pharmacists often tell people that they don't want to deal with, usually because they KNOW they're dealing with a junkie?

the manager was very nice but told me had to stop ordering them because the volume of bad customers they get trying to pull scams and such.

That's EXACTLY right... They'll lie and say they don't carry them, and come up with a BS story like that.

Come on, just think LOGICALLY about this.. Does that story even make sense? How many "scammers" a day must they have, scammers that are easy to turn away, to give up a profitable drug plus prescription fee?
Trust me, the roxis are there. But he's on to you, and prefers to sell it to people less junkylike I guess.
And that he made you not only believe you, but made you feel good about not being "one of those scumbags" just shows you what a pro you're dealing with.

LOL! Ahhh...Sweet deliocious irony!

[oxy kid]

Wow, i didn't read the rest of everybody's replies, but like DB, i couldn't get more than 3 or 4 minutes into it. It is EXTREMELY biased and its stuff like that who is going to kill it for legit people who need medication. In 5 years, probably sooner than that, a doctor is going to be so scared to take out his script pad, and any pain you'll be dealing will be going to a physical therapist.

[EleusisII]

and oh yeah, the real pain patients want the same drugs as these evil drug seekers
imagine that shit? maybe they have something in common, no?

if you get your oxy from a "legit" dr, or a "quack" dr, or on the streets, it's the same shit

Right on... Though you gotta appreciate the irony of our friend here, being so busy being better than "all the junkies" to notice all the pharmacist got him pegged as a junkie himself.
Gee, you can't get a script of roxies filled anywhere but the junkie-pharmacies. Hmmm! Here's a mystery worthy of Sherlock fucking Holmes!

http://forum.opiophile.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=4103&stc=1&d=1255096109

[nodrover]

Smoking OC--disgusting. What a waste.
One of my buddy's SWEARS by smoking his OC. I always tell him when I see him doin it, it's a fucking waste man, ur burnin up all the oxy, ur smokin chalk man! "NAH MAN IT GETS ME WAYYYY BETTER".

How can you explain something like that when the person says it's the best thing ever?


Edit: And yeah I watched the documentary as well.....my take on it is basically the same as EII's view. Ya know? I mean com'on!

[Flowergirl]

I'm watching it now, and only 15 mins or so in. Like the movie is supposed to, some parts are kind of scaring me. The guy in the beginning who lost his wife... He says one night she just took 2 pills and didn't wake up. How does this happen? If someone has a tolerance of, say, taking 30 mgs at a time, can they take 30 mgs and OD just like that? Pretend it is the first dose of the day, not a dose 10 minutes after the previous one. The thought that I could take a normal dose 12 hours after the last dose and not fucking wake up scares the fuck out of me, to be honest.


So please come tell me how retarded I am and that isn't something that could possibly happen. The widower is leaving something out, like that she took 2 pills right after she took 10 and didn't wake up, right? I'm prepared for the e-asswhooping, so tell me I'm stupid and I have it all wrong.

The smoking on foil? Wtf? Someone needs to send homeboy a link explaining he's wasting the shit.

My in-laws live in Broward County, but they are staying with us now. I'm gonna go ask them if they know anything about this "problem" down there. I wonder what straight-laced, super religious senior citizens living in the heart of the area know...

[upstate_007]

so tell me I'm stupid and I have it all wrong.


You're stupid and have it all wrong;)

They definitely left something out. Either more pills before hand, benzos, drinking, health problems. It could have been a lot of things.

[nodrover]

I'm watching it now, and only 15 mins or so in. Like the movie is supposed to, some parts are kind of scaring me. The guy in the beginning who lost his wife... He says one night she just took 2 pills and didn't wake up. How does this happen? If someone has a tolerance of, say, taking 30 mgs at a time, can they take 30 mgs and OD just like that? Pretend it is the first dose of the day, not a dose 10 minutes after the previous one. The thought that I could take a normal dose 12 hours after the last dose and not fucking wake up scares the fuck out of me, to be honest.


So please come tell me how retarded I am and that isn't something that could possibly happen. The widower is leaving something out, like that she took 2 pills right after she took 10 and didn't wake up, right? I'm prepared for the e-asswhooping, so tell me I'm stupid and I have it all wrong.

The smoking on foil? Wtf? Someone needs to send homeboy a link explaining he's wasting the shit.

My in-laws live in Broward County, but they are staying with us now. I'm gonna go ask them if they know anything about this "problem" down there. I wonder what straight-laced, super religious senior citizens living in the heart of the area know...

Yeah, that scenario in which his wife died seems fishy to me. Here they are, a couple addicted to oxycodone, taking it all the time in order to avoid being sick. And all of a sudden, both husband and wife take two pills before bed (I'm assuming 2 pills is a small dose for them, seeing as the movie focuses on 30mg roxies, which are fairly low dose as far as I'm concerned). Husband wakes up, wife does not. I definitely smell some cooking on the journalists part......no?

And on the subject of smoking oxy on foil....Like I mentioned in my previous post, one of my close freinds actually does this. Because this method of injestion made it into this "pill mill" documentary, I am assuming that smoking oxy is pretty widespread. Some idiot with no tolerance probably decided to smoke a pill one day, and felt "something" from it. Then, his freinds hear about it, and tell their freinds, and before ya know it, smoking oxy is "the cool thing to do". It had to happen like that. Because what kind of person truley addicted oxy is going to get pleasure in smoking it?

They definatley didn't get into the habit of smoking it on their own.....it had to be some kind of fad or action of the masses that got them into it. It really puzzles me though. Whenever I try to explain the wastefulness of smoking oxy to my buddy, he basically tells me to fuck off. He says something along these lines: "How can I tell him something does not give him pleasure, when in fact he does it all the time, and he experiences intense pleasure first hand from it?". I just don't get that..........:confused:

[Flowergirl]

I've only ever eaten my pills. It seems logical that by smoking, you might get that crazy rush, but no duration. Whatever floats their boat, I suppose. Crazy kids these days and their need for instant gratification. ;)

Thanks for the reassurance that I'm not gonna up and one day leave me 3 kids motherless because I choose to chomp a few pills a few times a month.

[Opiyum]

I really can't believe anyone has a problem with these doctors. I just don't get it.
You are the same people who feel such compassion for the doctors who were locked away in the early 20th century for prescribing opiates, heroin and morphine, for addiction. You call it a junkies paradise and say how you wish you lived then and then you condemn the last closest remnants of it.
This is just an example of how pervasive the demonizing is and how deep the programming goes. Remember this stuff was ALL LEGAL less than 100 years ago.
Somehow they have turned the junkies on the croakers. How the fuck did they do this to us?
Drugs are not inherantly bad. The doctors prescribing the drugs are not bad. We are not bad because of a substance we may or may not choose to use.
The government turned us into criminals a long time ago not the doctors for gods sakes. We are in this together, us junkies and the doctors. At least we used to be.


Wow, i didn't read the rest of everybody's replies, but like DB, i couldn't get more than 3 or 4 minutes into it. It is EXTREMELY biased and its stuff like that who is going to kill it for legit people who need medication. In 5 years, probably sooner than that, a doctor is going to be so scared to take out his script pad, and any pain you'll be dealing will be going to a physical therapist.This is like the prophet screaming "The end is Nigh!" every five years.
We aren't on the brink of pain med armageddon because of pills mills. Doctors have been scared for a long fucking time but they still prescribe opiates. The persecution of doctors is an old old practice and these pill mills are nothing new. It will never happen with opiates because they are so necessary to medicine and everyone knows that. Amphetamines went out the window but they aren't anywhere as crucial as opiates are to medicine. Part of the reason they stopped getting prescribed was because people bought into the demonization of them. Ginsberg himself said "Speed Kills" and that's just not true.
Nothing scares me more than when dopefiends themselves become the mouthpiece for the government spreading their propaganda fairy tales and supporting prohibition.

[wisegal]

I wonder what straight-laced, super religious senior citizens living in the heart of the area know...

probably not a lot about it. but ask anyways..im curious.

oh peee ssss - welcome to FL ;)

[Flowergirl]

Ok, they told me they see the signs and ads for the clinics all the time, but they just thought the proliferation of them was due to the area being full of unhealthy elderly folks trying to get help for their pain. They're so sweet. And naive. I love them.

[wisegal]

Awww!

See, my grandmother is IN on it! She know alllll about this shit. It's crazy - went to see her in the hosp. after a recent hip surgery and she told me just like this:

"I'm on some percocet for pain - i dont want to do that Oxy stufff it is sooo bad and addictive"

"Nanny! Oxy is IN percocet!! - doesnt it feel goooood?"

[Mallinckrodt]

Oh, hey. Just for good measure. . .to paint a more vivid picture of said county in Fla. called Broward, this headline is from Wednesday of this week:

"Police investigating Broward County nurse's 'flagrant disregard of basic nursing principals' that endangered 1,851 patients" (http://www.palmbeachpost.com/state/content/state/epaper/2009/10/07/1007nurse.html)

This nurse at a Broward County hospital allegedly admitted to reusing all sorts of iv equipment and was promptly fired, but not before she--seemingly for no good reason--used dirty works on nearly 2,000 patients.

[EleusisII]

"Nanny! Oxy is IN percocet!! - doesnt it feel goooood?"

You call your granny "nanny"? LOL! Cute!

[Mallinckrodt]

Another addition (http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5gHIEMUyBc6fnDzz_zXJzhO392gKQD9B7KK103) for the Broward County Local News Thread:


Robert Lowery, a GOP candidate in Broward County vying to replace U.S. Democratic Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz said: In hindsight, it may not have been such a good idea to shoot at a full body silhouette of his opponent during this weeks meeting of the Broward County Republicans.

Getting a better picture of where this documentary takes place every time I check the headlines today. . .

[duck]

Oh man that little toddler oinking like a pig at the 7:45 mark is the cutest thing I've seen in a while.

Yeah I hear ya but I don't think it's any more popular than anywhere else just because of the availability. If so then it's only because those already hooked have flocked to the area.
I just don't think they are out there creating addicts and I do think that if these docs weren't there doing this that these people would find a way one way or the other.

Oh...about the cop...what was with the three year mandatory minimum thing I heard. I think I heard that twice in the documentary and that seems awful steep just for being busted for possession. IS he getting Trafficing maybe because the pills were from Florida? Is that whats going on you think?

You're exactly right. The price is so high on the street, and we're willing to pay that price....so doctors are just offering a service at a more affordable price, and we're just acting as rational consumers. We'd pay 3x as much for those pain pills at the doctors. Thus, they should increase supply and drop the price....we need more pill mills and more production.

But this does leave out the fact of legality...and that does tend to matter to non-drug users a bit more with these sorts of things.

[Oakleyskier]

probably not a lot about it. but ask anyways..im curious.

oh peee ssss - welcome to FL ;)


now that she has a picture of her as an avatar, shes going to get hit on a lot. i know i did in another thread already :)

[SHELLEY]

Somehow they have turned the junkies on the croakers. How the fuck did they do this to us?


money
wtf did you think? :D

[port rhombus]

One of my buddy's SWEARS by smoking his OC. I always tell him when I see him doin it, it's a fucking waste man, ur burnin up all the oxy, ur smokin chalk man! "NAH MAN IT GETS ME WAYYYY BETTER".

How can you explain something like that when the person says it's the best thing ever?


Oxycodone HCl is one of the few opioids with such good oral bioavailability. IMO, it's not worth the potential long term health consequences of insufflating, let alone smoking, all those binders and fillers. I have no doubt that it can be smoked, and I assume it hits you faster than swallowing a pill, but it's not for me. As far as it being a waste, that's apparently not something these clowns in FL need to worry about :rolleyes:

[nodrover]

Oxycodone HCl is one of the few opioids with such good oral bioavailability. IMO, it's not worth the potential long term health consequences of insufflating, let alone smoking, all those binders and fillers. I have no doubt that it can be smoked, and I assume it hits you faster than swallowing a pill, but it's not for me. As far as it being a waste, that's apparently not something these clowns in FL need to worry about :rolleyes:
Do you know what kind of B/A oxy gets when it is smoked? I'm guessing it is exponentially less than any other method....and I agree that the folks down in Florida don't really need to worry about 'wasting' their pills. But, around my area, it's a different story. An 80 mg (what my buddy, the OC smoker usually gets) is always at least $60. And $60 is considered a "friend" price. I just think that smoking oxy is the equivilent to flushing your money down the toilet.

Oh man that little toddler oinking like a pig at the 7:45 mark is the cutest thing I've seen in a while.

This might seem a little off topic......but this is the cutest thing I'VE seen in a while:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qXo3NFqkaRM

[port rhombus]

Do you know what kind of B/A oxy gets when it is smoked? I'm guessing it is exponentially less than any other method....

Huh, I have no idea, though I'd love to see (or participate in) some legit scientific research on the topic. The oral BA of ~85% would be tough to beat, though. I'm guessing a fair bit gets destroyed by the heat or trapped in the melting pill matrix, and then there's whatever vapor you neglect to inhale.

An 80 mg (what my buddy, the OC smoker usually gets) is always at least $60. And $60 is considered a "friend" price.


I recently encountered someone selling 20mg tabs for $10/each, which is apparently cheap. It still blows me away what people will spend on pharms, when they could just buy H. Especially where H isn't tar (which I've never actually seen.)


I just think that smoking oxy is the equivilent to flushing your money down the toilet.


Agreed.

Maybe I'll throw some Opana in the old Volcano tonight...

[OverDriven]

I'm watching it now, and only 15 mins or so in. Like the movie is supposed to, some parts are kind of scaring me. The guy in the beginning who lost his wife... He says one night she just took 2 pills and didn't wake up. How does this happen? If someone has a tolerance of, say, taking 30 mgs at a time, can they take 30 mgs and OD just like that? Pretend it is the first dose of the day, not a dose 10 minutes after the previous one. The thought that I could take a normal dose 12 hours after the last dose and not fucking wake up scares the fuck out of me, to be honest.


60mg could barely kill some non tolerant people - most of the time it wouldn't be enough to OD anyone. No way it would kill a heavy user. We know how the opiate game goes though. I'm sure she dipped into the stash before that, and may have done some xanax before as well. Probably didn't tell her husband because she was taking more of the stash than she was supposed to. He offers 2 before bed, not knowing what she did. She accepts because she either is too fucked up to say no or doesn't want him to know she already did some, takes the pills and it pushes her to OD. I absolutely guarantee you there was more involved than 60mg oxy.

[KoDeInaaaae]

that guy looks like Danny mcbride lol...but i want to go to florida but that is gunna be gone soon

[SHELLEY]

that guy looks like Danny mcbride lol...but i want to go to florida but that is gunna be gone soon

no it's not
they've been talking about "cracking down on those crooked doctors" for at least a decade now
all that happens is the dea/local pigs come, arrests one or two doctors,
they wave their tiny pricks around ft lauderdale and smile for the camera
and 2 days later the clinics they closed down re-open with new drs and a new name
so technically, legally, it's not the same place, it's a new business that hasn't been busted
these places will be serving pills 40-50 documentaries and "crackdowns" from now

[opiobsessed]

Damn, I know someone who lives in Florida, however they dont live in the lovely part of Fla where the pill mills are. Hell if I could just put up with doing some UGGGHHH, slave work for the husband like I used to when they lived here. Heck it would be well worth a month or two staying there when it is freezing here in Chitown, while i'm In land of nod. Heck that would be my ticket right there off this damn "deathadone" methadone, and my life getting handed back to me. About a week before I was to get on the plane to come back home, I would have a huge stash, well all my "love" pills well packed safely and have it fedexed or ups back to my home and held at hub so I can pick it up when I get home.

All that slave work in Florida would make it well worth it, I just have to have the cash to play and I got my cake and eat it too lol. Then when I come home and my Mom or whoever picks me up at ohare etc, I would run right to the hub when time is right and pick up my lovely hord of goodies. I would probably have enough to enjoy another opiate glory days again, then unless I am making good money if the money and pills run dry, I would just have to get my priorities straight and get a week or more planned in advance so that just when I run outta pills. Back on subs I go and NEVER go to deathadone again

[suffocate]

Does anyone know if this video is mirrored or otherwise available for viewing by those residing outside of the United States?

[nodrover]

Does anyone know if this video is mirrored or otherwise available for viewing by those residing outside of the United States?
I see from your avatar that you are from Canada. You are not able to view this video? The only issue I have had with not being able to watch streaming online video because of where I live is with Yoku and Tudo.

When I try to watch certain videos/shows, it tells me "this clip has been blocked in your region". I can't see something like that happening with Hulu (the site hosting the video). Maybe it is not working due to something on your end? Internet security settings, not accepting cookies, something of that nature?

[suffocate]

We're sorry, currently our video library can only be streamed within the United States.

[ItsLupus]

I wonder what straight-laced, super religious senior citizens living in the heart of the area know...

If they saw the video hopefully a great way to supplement their SSDI or pay for their vacation home :D

[Lil_T]

I just paused this because I just had to post something on here.

I'm in SWFL. I'm going to tell you the story of two friends I have, ok. One, let's call him K, has had problems with drugs for a long time, BUT has seriously legit pain problems which should be obvious to any dr because he was involved in an explosion years ago. The second friend, call him L, done pills a little here and there but felt withdrawl symptoms so wanted some help.

Both these friends went to the same dr. This dr. advertised pain management AND addiction specialist. So this dr was giving out the roxis and oxys, in high doses, and then also giving out the subs to go with it.

K, goes to the dr, with his obvious deformities and the dr. basically kicks him out of the office. He wanted a little pain med and some xanax. Dr shot him down.

L, goes to the same dr. and tell the dr. "I do about one roxi a day and feel like I need help getting off" TThe dr. tells him "Well maybe you have legit pain problems and we should get you an MRI quickly. If you need pain meds I will not hesitate to give them to you."

Guys I'm all for, "responsible comsumption", ok. The quantity on the streets is nauseating. Ima tell you too, because in the past couple months, the quantity has surged because of recent legislation, the price has gone DOWN on the shit. Prices are down now 33-50% just in the last couple months.

Now in the beginning of the year FL passed legislation to implement the state wide database, you know, somepeople can't dr. shop. They can't do it because there is NO FUNDING. So to bust people they have to literally find bottles with different dr's names on it, and that's thier only evidence.

The problem I think is that it is soo available, so quickly that people just go on this frenzy because they know it won't last. People overdo it and then it ruins thier lives.

I overdid it by any standards and I ain't got shit left...

[marshalldylan1]

What are the avg prices of oxy's on the street down there?

[The Paregoric Man]

I just paused this because I just had to post something on here.

I'm in SWFL. I'm going to tell you the story of two friends I have, ok. One, let's call him K, has had problems with drugs for a long time, BUT has seriously legit pain problems which should be obvious to any dr because he was involved in an explosion years ago. The second friend, call him L, done pills a little here and there but felt withdrawl symptoms so wanted some help.

Both these friends went to the same dr. This dr. advertised pain management AND addiction specialist. So this dr was giving out the roxis and oxys, in high doses, and then also giving out the subs to go with it.

K, goes to the dr, with his obvious deformities and the dr. basically kicks him out of the office. He wanted a little pain med and some xanax. Dr shot him down.

L, goes to the same dr. and tell the dr. "I do about one roxi a day and feel like I need help getting off" TThe dr. tells him "Well maybe you have legit pain problems and we should get you an MRI quickly. If you need pain meds I will not hesitate to give them to you."

Guys I'm all for, "responsible comsumption", ok. The quantity on the streets is nauseating. Ima tell you too, because in the past couple months, the quantity has surged because of recent legislation, the price has gone DOWN on the shit. Prices are down now 33-50% just in the last couple months.

Now in the beginning of the year FL passed legislation to implement the state wide database, you know, somepeople can't dr. shop. They can't do it because there is NO FUNDING. So to bust people they have to literally find bottles with different dr's names on it, and that's thier only evidence.

The problem I think is that it is soo available, so quickly that people just go on this frenzy because they know it won't last. People overdo it and then it ruins thier lives.

I overdid it by any standards and I ain't got shit left...

You do realize that IF drugs were legal all these problems would still exist? If your use is at a level you're not comfortable with then stop, I mean when it comes right down to it thats the only answer.
If you have no self control or will power well forget drugs, your life will just be a mess period.

I don't like addicts who get angry that they don't have more trouble getting drugs, come on!

This is like someone bitching its too easy to find prostitutes, if only the cops would crack down they wouldn't catch the clap every month and their marriage wouldn't have failed.:rolleyes:

[Lil_T]

I dealt with my problems when I realized I had no other choice. I will not deny that I was stupid and let the shit get too out of control, but I got some help and basically have been a good girl for over 6 months now.

My problem is that the people that really need the help aren't getting it and the people that don't need so much help have dr's pushing shit at them. That is what's fucked up. There are some dr's that have become money hungry, won't accept insurance and are allowing massive amounts of shit to get on the streets.

The point of my story was to show how GREEDY this particular dr was towards these two patients who came into his office. Basically judged them on thier looks (because one is more clean cut that the other) and said fuck you to the one who truly needed the help.

Do you see what I'm saying? How is that right? These were two experiences that had nothing to do with me and at the time I couldn't be,lieve what I was hearing, go to the dr. for "addiction specialist" and come out with a bottle full of roxis? Fuck that shit. And someone with legit pain, being kicked out because of how he looked? Missing fingers and chunks out of his body and this dr wouldn't help him?? That's fucked up as hell!

30mg roxis= 9-10 bucks

80's= 35-40 bucks
If not less...

[corlene]

What are the avg prices of oxy's on the street down there?
I haven't bought pills on the street in a while but the going rate for a roxi 30 is 6-12 bucks depending on the guy an oxy 40 is 15 snd an 80 is like 30-35

[The Paregoric Man]

I dealt with my problems when I realized I had no other choice. I will not deny that I was stupid and let the shit get too out of control, but I got some help and basically have been a good girl for over 6 months now.

My problem is that the people that really need the help aren't getting it and the people that don't need so much help have dr's pushing shit at them. That is what's fucked up. There are some dr's that have become money hungry, won't accept insurance and are allowing massive amounts of shit to get on the streets.

The point of my story was to show how GREEDY this particular dr was towards these two patients who came into his office. Basically judged them on thier looks (because one is more clean cut that the other) and said fuck you to the one who truly needed the help.

Do you see what I'm saying? How is that right? These were two experiences that had nothing to do with me and at the time I couldn't be,lieve what I was hearing, go to the dr. for "addiction specialist" and come out with a bottle full of roxis? Fuck that shit. And someone with legit pain, being kicked out because of how he looked? Missing fingers and chunks out of his body and this dr wouldn't help him?? That's fucked up as hell!

30mg roxis= 9-10 bucks

80's= 35-40 bucks
If not less...

I'll admit that is a puzzler, I mean if the guy was really greedy why wouldn't he take anyone on as a patient? Hell you would think someone who has obvious physical issues would be good to show not all of his patients are just drug seekers. But you are judged on your appearance, its not right but its a fact of life. I remember my neice going in to the ER for minor surgery with numerous piercings and tattoos and pink hair and goth makeup, they didn't even give her 800mg motrin they told her to go buy some OTC stuff at walgreens:rolleyes:.

But there have been a bunch of people in this thread and in the documentary seemingly pissed at how free the opiates flow down in Florida, when I know damn well they would be bitching at how hard it is to get them too if it wasn't so easy.

Suboxone doctors are notorious for greedy shit BTW, not a one I could find accepted insurance. and while some at least put on a front of being by the book(one said I had to have a clean UA to start!?) most are basically we'll start you at 16mg a day, or even say how much do you want 24mg or 32mg?
In the end it was just too much money, I was only investigating it to please someone else anyway.

[Opiyum]

ow damn well they would be bitching at how hard it is to get them too if it wasn't so easy.

Suboxone doctors are notorious for greedy shit BTW, not a one I could find accepted insurance. and while some at least put on a front of being by the book(one said I had to have a clean UA to start!?) most are basically we'll start you at 16mg a day, or even say how much do you want 24mg or 32mg?
In the end it was just too much money, I was only investigating it to please someone else anyway.

In my total of five years on and off suboxone I never ran into a doctor who behaved quite the way you are describing. I'm sure they exist but of the four different doctors and one dedicated Sub clinic I never found one who didn't accept insurance (though none accepted mine the times that I had it because it's such horrible coverage) and none seemed to be practicing any sort of shady business.
Some were obviously more genuine and compassionate than others but they were all doing what they were doing to help people in my experience. A few of them would sit with me privately in their office and talk for upwards of 30 minutes sometimes. Some over prescribed but even those who do what do they have to gain from that anyway? Those that do over prescribe are most likely doing so out of ignorance and thats it. They really have very little to gain from doing it anyhow.
The ones who are running a sub clinic out of the same building that is getting the people hooked in the first place is a different story but even then they are providing a service that I think is honorable. Anything that makes it easier for us junkies to get the meds we need is a good thing in my opinion and thats coming from someone who recently went through a nasty detox and two months in rehab. I'm not in my "active addiction" right now as they say though I have used two or three times in the last couple weeks.

[The Paregoric Man]

In my total of five years on and off suboxone I never ran into a doctor who behaved quite the way you are describing. I'm sure they exist but of the four different doctors and one dedicated Sub clinic I never found one who didn't accept insurance (though none accepted mine the times that I had it because it's such horrible coverage) and none seemed to be practicing any sort of shady business.
Some were obviously more genuine and compassionate than others but they were all doing what they were doing to help people in my experience. A few of them would sit with me privately in their office and talk for upwards of 30 minutes sometimes. Some over prescribed but even those who do what do they have to gain from that anyway? Those that do over prescribe are most likely doing so out of ignorance and thats it. They really have very little to gain from doing it anyhow.
The ones who are running a sub clinic out of the same building that is getting the people hooked in the first place is a different story but even then they are providing a service that I think is honorable. Anything that makes it easier for us junkies to get the meds we need is a good thing in my opinion and thats coming from someone who recently went through a nasty detox and two months in rehab. I'm not in my "active addiction" right now as they say though I have used two or three times in the last couple weeks.

Well I should say none of them offered anything strictly shady, as in illegal. But many gave well odd impressions, one woman said she had special times and days for sub patients, apparently you could only start or come in for a followup appointment on days or times when no "normal" patients were being seen. As she was a family GP, was she afraid people would infect her other patients with addiction?!

And then the no insurance thing, which was extremely common, all the cheaper places only accepted cash. I was a pod user at the time and after meeting nothing but frustration with honesty told them I had a minimal hydrocodone or morphine habit, no one had heard of pods and most thought I was scamming or joking. At the time Houston was awash in pill mills so that was believed.

And I called most sub places in the city, the ones who were more expensive I just dismissed outright. I would straight up ask them what they required and where they would start me, that was all over the map. And I want to note I am not in any way complaining, it should be easy to get into treatment.

I was just trying to say sub doctors usually aren't picky, its not like pain management where you need 4 years of MRIs and clean pee screens just to get 5mg/500mg vicodin.

[The_Highwayman]

FUCK REP KEELY SKIDMARK!!!!

[Opiyum]

Well I should say none of them offered anything strictly shady, as in illegal. But many gave well odd impressions, one woman said she had special times and days for sub patients, apparently you could only start or come in for a followup appointment on days or times when no "normal" patients were being seen. As she was a family GP, was she afraid people would infect her other patients with addiction?!

And then the no insurance thing, which was extremely common, all the cheaper places only accepted cash. I was a pod user at the time and after meeting nothing but frustration with honesty told them I had a minimal hydrocodone or morphine habit, no one had heard of pods and most thought I was scamming or joking. At the time Houston was awash in pill mills so that was believed.

And I called most sub places in the city, the ones who were more expensive I just dismissed outright. I would straight up ask them what they required and where they would start me, that was all over the map. And I want to note I am not in any way complaining, it should be easy to get into treatment.

I was just trying to say sub doctors usually aren't picky, its not like pain management where you need 4 years of MRIs and clean pee screens just to get 5mg/500mg vicodin.

Yeah...think about it man. I went to a sub doc who was also a Gyne and she did the same thing. Don't you think there is a good chance its to protect a persons identity and give them some privacy? What would I say if I saw my grandmother sitting in the office? "Uh...yeah so nanny...I was actually born a woman...didn't want you to find out this way but...(vomits in mouth)". I think they do this so as not too embarrass their patients. They are already treating addiction with maintenance therapy which is very much looked down upon by any rehabilitation facility and NA/AA as a whole. So they are surely not that ignorant to think an addict can infect their other patients. If that's truly how they felt they probably wouldn't deal with addicts at all and would much rather have them be out of sight and hence out of mind.
If you want someone to appear shady then you will find a way to make them be just that in your eyes. So don't get angry for being judged by how you look when you are clearly judging these doctors just by what they prescribe. You don't even let their appearance enter into it.
As far as the pods thing goes that's kind of understandable since that shit isn't on anyones radar and just because they are prescribing maintenance meds for opiate addiction doesn't mean they are going to know as much as a junky with an internet connection does. In fact in most cases they don't.
And intake or at least the person your going to talk to when getting your initial info on the clinic or doctor isn't going to be the doctor and they may not know what your going to get started on because after all it is different for every person. Opiates aren't the only medications whose dosages and treatments vary doctor to doctor either.

And yeah you are right they aren't picky. Simply because there aren't many people out there who are seeking suboxone illegitimately and it's known right off the bat that the patient is an addict so there is no reason to be picky or cautious.
I was just trying to show a different perspective on what you were saying because what you said is not the long and short of it.

[SHELLEY]

I haven't bought pills on the street in a while but the going rate for a roxi 30 is 6-12 bucks depending on the guy an oxy 40 is 15 snd an 80 is like 30-35

you hafta pay 12 bucks for a roxi in ftl?
holy shit
in coconut grove the roxi 30s go for 4-6 bucks apiece

[Opiyum]

you hafta pay 12 bucks for a roxi in ftl?
holy shit
in coconut grove the roxi 30s go for 4-6 bucks apiece

Yeah when I was in ftl in Rehab I got some thirties for 10 bucks a piece and I was only in florida for a bit over 40 days and 7 were locked up in detox so if I can manage that that quickly I'm sure I could find them even cheaper if spent some time doing it.

[lotus]

i can't watch it. the u.s has been slowly barring us out of being able to see any american media from american sites on the net.......sooner or later it'll show up on google video or youtube.

it's a shame, i love documentaries.

[SHELLEY]

Yeah when I was in ftl in Rehab I got some thirties for 10 bucks a piece and I was only in florida for a bit over 40 days and 7 were locked up in detox so if I can manage that that quickly I'm sure I could find them even cheaper if spent some time doing it.

i'm a county south of broward
and they're still cheaper down here

[port rhombus]

i can't watch it. the u.s has been slowly barring us out of being able to see any american media from american sites on the net.

It blows my mind, really, that anyone is censoring information in this manner. Maybe there's a compelling, logical reason to do so and I'm just dense. Bandwidth issues? Anyone?

I disagree with, but understand the (IMO absurd and easily circumvented) concept of fascist governments, like that of Iran, attempting to filter outgoing internet traffic to subversive (haha, yeah, totally) cultures and ideas. But blocking inbound traffic? Intarweb xenophobia?

It's the fucking internet and everyone should be allowed to play.

Anyway, search for anonymous web proxies. You should be able to get around the silly rules.

[JonnyMohawk]

I am uploading it for people outside the Country, I will let you know when its done.

[The Paregoric Man]

It blows my mind, really, that anyone is censoring information in this manner. Maybe there's a compelling, logical reason to do so and I'm just dense. Bandwidth issues? Anyone?

I disagree with, but understand the (IMO absurd and easily circumvented) concept of fascist governments, like that of Iran, attempting to filter outgoing internet traffic to subversive (haha, yeah, totally) cultures and ideas. But blocking inbound traffic? Intarweb xenophobia?

It's the fucking internet and everyone should be allowed to play.

Anyway, search for anonymous web proxies. You should be able to get around the silly rules.

I know about this subject and can tell everyone it is not xenophobia or anything like that, sometimes you have the broadcast rights only in one country or certain countries and if you don't abide by this you can be sued and or the content owner will pull their content. Come on this is easy, so you all would say contracts and copyright be damned I will show the world if you were the site owner?

The other fact is there is no point wasting bandwidth serving content to people when the advertisers don't serve their country, and the advertisers don't care about hits from Tuvalu. So thats just wasted cash.

[corlene]

you hafta pay 12 bucks for a roxi in ftl?
holy shit
in coconut grove the roxi 30s go for 4-6 bucks apiece

shelley, i wouldnt pay anymore than pharmacy cost and a doctors visit, if i was truly in need. tho i know for a fact ppl buy them off the street in FTL for 6-12 a pill.

[The_Highwayman]

I thought it was interesting, of course they were taking the biased "safe" side, but we all knew that. I was surprised though that people were traveling that far to get the meds from FL. I really can't believe that those doctors would prescribe to out of state patients, but I guess if the money's right...It's fucked they locked up that old guy for trafficking...

OT---MTV (EmptyV) is doing a doc on DJ AM and his work with helping teen addicts, so to build it up they are having a true life marathon, and most of the shows are the ones on addiction...I wantred to post one of them on oxy, but I couldn't find it on hulu

[The_Highwayman]

shelley, i wouldnt pay anymore than pharmacy cost and a doctors visit, if i was truly in need. tho i know for a fact ppl buy them off the street in FTL for 6-12 a pill.

They go for 20-25 arpund here and that was BEFORE the main croaker doc got busted

[corlene]

They go for 20-25 arpund here and that was BEFORE the main croaker doc got busted
I mostly stick to using my scripts to get high. But if I didn't have that option I'd be shooting heroin all day. I most certainly would not be paying outlandish prices like you mention. I don't know how folks can pay nearly a dollar a mg. Heroin is just so much more of a cost effective way to get your rocks off. And shelley is now living where I'd be copping my dope plentiful down there in dirty Dade.

[The_Highwayman]

Dr. Phil did a show on this documentary today 10/13/09..with the same guy and that hot host...

[okie dokie]

Dr. Phil did a show on this documentary today 10/13/09..with the same guy and that hot host...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Celdg1xB6Q

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5PoF29PGBD8

[Natas666]

That documentary is a sad state of affairs and Dr Phil is a jack ass.

[EleusisII]

Personally, I kinda liked the one show he did on two twins hooked on heroin.
I came buckets...

[limitless_euphoria]

...People make PILLgrimages from all over the country to Florida to get oxy...

Wow, when I heard the prices they were paying and what they were getting, the addict in me thought, shit, next vacation I'm taking, I'm going to The Sunshine State. And to think 85% of the OC Rx-ed in this country is coming from Florida. Like they said in the documentary, "take a ride on the OC Express!"

In fact, a guy I knew left CT because he was in some criminal trouble and he had a bad dope problem. So, where does he go... Florida!

In February 2009 he overdosed. RIP Ian. So, I think we've established that clearly Florida is NOT the place to go to get clean!

Good documentary.

[SHELLEY]

Wow, when I heard the prices they were paying and what they were getting, the addict in me thought, shit, next vacation I'm taking, I'm going to The Sunshine State. And to think 85% of the OC Rx-ed in this country is coming from Florida. Like they said in the documentary, "take a ride on the OC Express!"

In fact, a guy I knew left CT because he was in some criminal trouble and he had a bad dope problem. So, where does he go... Florida!

In February 2009 he overdosed. RIP Ian. So, I think we've established that clearly Florida is NOT the place to go to get clean!

Good documentary.

everyone comes to fla to get clean, they figure it's a tropical paradise
they usually end up near miami

[Ickyuck]

All the rampant oxy smokage in this doc reminds me...

http://img48.imageshack.us/img48/454/ocindian.jpg

[EleusisII]

But let's hear what Dr. House says about smoking your OC...

http://forum.opiophile.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=4121&stc=1&d=1255692575

Pure faggotry you say? It gives you a headache? Oh my!

[Restharrow]

Great Video.

I also think this gave E II a bit of "Oxy Envy". That's a lot of criticism E II. Are you sure you are not just jealous. I know I am.

Why can't my state do the same as Fla.?

EDIT: A friend of mine says, "wasting OC makes baby Jesus cry". I have never seen anyone actually smoke an OC. Seems to work for the guy.

EDIT 2: Hope you are getting a good start on a good weekend E II. If I read your post right, your pharm opened at 9:00 am this morning. Top of the moring to you!

Will

[upstate_007]

........and that hot host...

I thought I was the only one who thought she was hot.

[EleusisII]

Hehe...

Thanks Rest!
I didn't watch the documentary, not a yank, so didn't really critizise it. Just wrote a little about how journalists work, based on peoples comments.

Anyways, feeling great, gonna do some more OCs, go get laid and find some blow... Cya biatches! ;)

[hovadagod]

I'm convinced that House is also the shamwow (and slap-chop) guy. ya know; the one who got busted for hurting a prostitute.

[Restharrow]

Hehe...

Thanks Rest!
I didn't watch the documentary, not a yank, so didn't really critizise it. Just wrote a little about how journalists work, based on peoples comments.

Anyways, feeling great, gonna do some more OCs, go get laid and find some blow... Cya biatches! ;)
I get euphoric just going to the pharmacy on "refill day" so I am vicariously enjoying your day!

EDIT: Having a hot host always makes these documentarys better IMO. Its worth watching E II just for the host.

Will

[TrackStar0420]

I haven;t got a chance to read through all the replies yet, but when I have, I'll be back to write more. For now I just want to say how excited I am for

A) The fact that I started a thread that has 6 pages!, I have taken(maybe gained is a better word) so much from this site, so it feels great to have contributed something back to this community.

B) And am excited that I will be visiting some friends in Tampa, and just rented the car that I'll be taking to Maimi to visit some other guys i met during the WMC this year. (Might check out some of these clinics, but wondering how easily a script will be to obtain without an MRI(willing to get one), and w/o the pharmacy printout(still not exactly sure what that entails), and being under 25.

[TrackStar0420]

Hoping to figure out the logistics of getting scipted in as short amount of time as possible.
(Obviously not looking for sources but any info on the subject would be appreciated) Also if there is a thread on this somewhere if you could link me to it, I would be much obliged.

For those who couldn't watch it on hulu, try this youtube link :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J7DHMqHFSB8&feature=related

The host is so sexy, I've been crushing on her every since I started watching current tv. All in all a very informational channel. they ahve a website that hosts the majority of the content that is shown on tv. I believe it is http://current.com ,,,make sure to leave out the www.

And I see absouletly no reason to smoke oc. Seems to be a huge waste. The whole time this guy is talking about trying to get well, i kept getting angier and angier about him smoking them, and a little upset about giving up all this info. I feel horrible about his brother and wife,
I don't wish death upon anyone(in fact the death of friends/family has always been something I struggled with) I still dont see the point in doing all the doctor shopping and what not in front of a tv camera.

[bigNasty]

The host is so sexy, I've been crushing on her every since I started watching current tv.
She is pretty hot.

And about going to those clinics, look at their ads and look for a clinic that has on-site dispensing and one that accepts out of state patients. And just go talk to the locals that are "in the know" and ask them what clinic would be the easiest for your situation.

I think these clinics treat migraines too so say you have chronic migraines. You won't need an MRI for that

[euphoricontin17]

What pisses me the fuck off more than anything about this documentary, even more than the fact that lot of people DO have severe pain, the fact they demonize these doctors (which I highly respect for drastically lowering an addict's risk of getting busted, getting nasty cut shit, and countless others bad things which can happen when they cop off the street) is the fact that they constantly portray these drugs as destroying lives! I know I will catch so much shit for this but drugs, in particular, opiates have saved my life. I've said it up and down in so many threads before. I would honestly not want to live in a world without opiates. Given, I have certain life circuimstances that make things quite bleak for me, opiates let me be happy. Truly happy, the only time I actually feel free. And these assholes NEVER mention anything about the good that drugs can do. Well, shit, everything has side effects and negatives, so do drugs. But for some people, such as myself, they give people who otherwise have nothing and no one something to look forward to and a fucking reason to wake up in the morning. Yeah, it's fucked up, I know. But it's all I fucking got.

[AceBeans]

I didn't read the entire post but if that was "the oxy express" you all can see my home state.

[mtren]

people in florida are so lucky. i wish i could see multiple docs with no real problem and get scripts of blues and greens left and right lol

[Funkit]

My dealer sends five guys down to Ft. Lauderdale a month to get scripted by a clinic he knows the owner of. It's about a three to four hour ride from here in Orlando, and they go in the back door when the clinic isn't even open. The Dr. looks at all their MRIs, "finds something wrong", and writes em each a script for 240 30s, 120 15s, and 90 bars.

[Restharrow]

All the rampant oxy smokage in this doc reminds me...

http://img48.imageshack.us/img48/454/ocindian.jpg
Glad I went back and read the rest of the thread. This was a good laugh Icky.

Will

[blackwrx]

I was browsing some pain clinic websites in FL and I honestly can't believe how many are exactly as described in the documentary.

Literally all of them flat out state on their website that you will get opiates when you visit. All cash only. I found a couple with a list of opiates they prescribe on the site, one of them even misspelled oxycontin as "OXYCOTIN".

[Shadowsblaze]

Ya gotta get one when you get here that has a cooopon. lol they really do $35 first visit some $25. Good luck Two main drives right off 95 when you get here have a bunch but you won't have any trouble finding them. Where you find the free newspapers around Lauderdale advertising entertainment should find cooopons.

[robothanded]

I wish I lived in Florida when I was a junky. The skag probably sucks though..

Really, though, once the shit hits the fan and Florida gets there act together, the DOCTORS are the ones that are going to pay the most.

[Shadowsblaze]

Interestingly I just asked a doper in the area about smack telling him I was thinking of trying it again, as that's all I did 30+ yrs. ago in Jersey. And he gave a broad address and said this street was loaded and no problem scoreing. I asked the quality, and he doesn't use but people have been talking about having to be careful with some Columbo. I don't think I'm gunna investigate but when having done a alot of roxi I think about it having reached my limit with what I got.