Mexican Gangs moving north--Surprise!

[Duckfeet]

Did anybody really think this wasn't happening, and won't get worse. My fear is that by time we realize there isn't a lot we can do about it, other than legalize drugs, it will be way too late...gangs do whatever is necessary, and they are doing it. I live in a border town, and this is true. They are now kidnapping people on this side, using extortion, and basically just head south if the heat gets put on...

http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/view/122635

[upstate_007]

I took a day trip to the town I grew up in in NY a few weeks ago. There was MS13 graffitti everywhere. Not a good sign when small northeast towns are being overrun by people like that.

[Shadowsblaze]

It's time for the Execution Squads. I want to volunteer.


Upstate, maybe there going to Cornell

[The Paregoric Man]

I took a day trip to the town I grew up in in NY a few weeks ago. There was MS13 graffitti everywhere. Not a good sign when small northeast towns are being overrun by people like that.

A whole lot of the MS13 mania is media created, like the USA never had street gangs until they moved in.

[Duckfeet]

Oh we always had street gangs, agreed, but they were more localized and limited: most people not in the crazy life never bumped into them...but, just like the mafia beginnings in the U.S. the fact that people who are citizens of *other* countries, now are coming here in greater numbers, and are ruthless and deadly, changes things...I've been in jail w/18thST gang members and the "M" was always big down south...but again, I see this as larger and more spread to legit businesses...they spook me, as I know how much Tijuana-San Diego, El Paso-Juarez and Brownsville-Matamoros have gotten cold and violent, strictly due to these gangs...and when I went back to Nicaragua, a few years ago, there are now neighborhoods where MS13 is taking over down there, or so I was told: I didn't wander down there, like I once would have...and the *huge* amount of money involved, and the organization, well....

I agree, media can run with shit...but from where I sit, I think we are *underplaying* this danger, not overplaying it...we'll see...but just a trip down south of me, 20 minutes, in *this* country can be grim enough, and the changes in Tijuana can break your heart, if you remember what it was like, not that long ago...

A whole lot of the MS13 mania is media created, like the USA never had street gangs until they moved in.

[Paregoric Kid]

gangs are spreading north but I also think the media loves to hype gang stories. a lot of times they try to connect unrelated crimes to some sort of gang or "ring" even when none exists. a friend of mine who was in the army came from Humboldt county CA. he said gangsters would come up from southern CA and try and steal from the outdoor marijuana grow ops. he said the gangsters would bring their 9mm handguns and end up getting ambushed and shot by the growers, who carry M16s and AK47s. I think legal gun owners can step up and protect their communities from gangs and get more citizens to buy and train to use lethal or non-letal weapons. gangs, including ones made up of primarily foreigners, have been a problem nearly throughout our entire history. in 1850 New York City recorded over 200 gang wars. there has always been periods that had a huge influx of foreigners; it has happened at many different times throughout our history, the Irish, the Chinese, the Italians, the Eastern Europeans, the Cubans, etc. so we will always have to fight criminal gangs but right now I think legalizing drugs and fully automatic weapons would take away nearly their entire source of income. but there will always be stolen and counterfeit goods that gangs can generate revenue from. a citizenry that is well armed and trained, and with the help of the government, society will be able to control the problem of criminal gangs.

[The_Highwayman]

The media loves gang stories because they create fear for the public, nothing gets Mary and John Suburban doing whatever they are told if they think that gangs will hurt lil Susie and Tommy on their way to school..the media does sensationalize violence in any form to keepo the fear level high so the public is much more mallelable when their afraid...

But on the flip side of that there are gangs, they do committ crimes and I dod my best to stay away from them, but I always read on here that Hispanic's always have good "business" so isn't their expansion good for the junk trade???

[SHELLEY]

boy, do i love multiculturalism and diversity! :D

[Somanax]

I agree with D.F. it is down played if anything

I am in central N.C. and the dope has alway's been great clean powder

yet recently it has turned to TAR to the east and west of me

I know this only from friend's I have been lucky enough to never have seen TAR

In 25 plus year's yet the violence is escalating in rural countie's here as in sherrif dead M.S. 13

claim's the county, no one want's the job now I was in the grocery store and saw a woman

max out the western union transfer's 5 plus transaction's at one trip to a local grocery store

as long as drug's are illegal they will continue to control the trade :(:(

[chopstix]

^^ Interesting, tar on the EC. Ya'll enjoy that nice SA #4 while you can, I'd give it a decade or so..

Some chilly mother fuckers running the tar game, I've never seen as much blood as I have on the streets of Norcal, cops don't even bother to clean it up. We've been speculating here for a couple years on how long it'd take to hit the EC, guess not long..

Thing is, junkies will do dope, regardless of color or consistency, and tar is typically a fuck of a lot cheaper than #4 powder, and it's not so bad if it's not cut to shit; I've had black that easily rivalled street powder by weight..

[bindegal]

SA #4 is almost gone when you look at the world market. Asian gangs making more meth than dope and they now have a big home market. Europa 95% Ag#3. Sometimes we get get some "Paki white" but it is most purified # 3 and it costs double the brown, which fits very well with the Ag # 3 is only 50% heroine

[chopstix]

^^ No idea about yurp, but again, we've been speculating on this board for awhile about when tar would hit the east coast of the US, and I just read my first report..

Matter of time.

[nick]

gangs are spreading north but I also think the media loves to hype gang stories. a lot of times they try to connect unrelated crimes to some sort of gang or "ring" even when none exists. a friend of mine who was in the army came from Humboldt county CA. he said gangsters would come up from southern CA and try and steal from the outdoor marijuana grow ops. he said the gangsters would bring their 9mm handguns and end up getting ambushed and shot by the growers, who carry M16s and AK47s. I think legal gun owners can step up and protect their communities from gangs and get more citizens to buy and train to use lethal or non-letal weapons. gangs, including ones made up of primarily foreigners, have been a problem nearly throughout our entire history. in 1850 New York City recorded over 200 gang wars. there has always been periods that had a huge influx of foreigners; it has happened at many different times throughout our history, the Irish, the Chinese, the Italians, the Eastern Europeans, the Cubans, etc. so we will always have to fight criminal gangs but right now I think legalizing drugs and fully automatic weapons would take away nearly their entire source of income. but there will always be stolen and counterfeit goods that gangs can generate revenue from. a citizenry that is well armed and trained, and with the help of the government, society will be able to control the problem of criminal gangs.

I love the we're going to handle our gun problem by arming MORE folks with bigger guns argument.

[chopstix]

I love the we're going to handle our gun problem by arming MORE folks with bigger guns argument.

Outlaw guns, and only the outlaws will have guns.

This ain't the UK man.

[Somanax]

I love the we're going to handle our gun problem by arming MORE folks with bigger guns argument.

Outlaw guns, and only the outlaws will have guns.

This ain't the UK man.



Like Chop's said this ain't the U.K

Sorry Nick we as American's have a long love affair

with our gun's and other defensive weapon's

Just like the U.K. guy's like to throw a fucker to the ground and boot's to the head

Either way violence is just that VIOLENCE the U.K. has as much or more assault's

than any North American city ......because we can defend ourselve's against 6 fucker's at once

you would be be surprised how many asse's and elbow's would be skinned at the sound of one .45

round they disappear when the equalizer is brought to bear Sorry Nick

[SHELLEY]

^
when i lived in lake worth, all the apt buildings on my street kept getting robbed
the 3 dudes would come in and take people's shit, and if they were home they'd threaten 'em with knives
the cops were going nuts trying to catch these vatos
then they broke into one dude's apt, and he had a 9mm and wasn't ready to put up with any shit
the ONE dude that walked (ran? i wasn't there) away didn't fuck around in that hood anymore
so one lil illegal gun in the neighborhood saved bunches of families and shit
from having some mexican dudes wave knives in their face and take their shit

guns prevent crime, dude
and guns can't kill folks any more than drugs can kill folks
inanimate objects can't kill, it's people doing the killing (themselves or others)

[Paregoric Kid]

did you notice I also said non-lethal weapons nicky? various electric weapons are non lethal and you can get lights that blind and nauseate, pepper spray, mace, tear gas, and many other non lethal self defense devices. there is a very good alternative to firearms that can be just as lethal, they are PreCharged Pneumatic (PCP) air guns, you can even get them in the UK; there are many that fire bullets at the same speeds as ones shot from a firearm. gun free zones usually seem to be the places where the worst massacres happen. school shootings, going postal at the post office, and airplane hiajckings, they can't happen because they are gun free zones! lol yeah ok. its the perfect place to go on a killing spree, everyone is defenseless. if more good responsible people are armed then criminals will be less likely to commit violent crimes against innocent people and when they do its more likely they will be stopped by someone with a gun. a lot of times you can deescalate a situation simply by stating that you have a gun, so think of how many crimes are stopped by guns without firing a single shot. another thing is that if some fuckin asshole wants to point a gun at me he better be prepared to be destroyed, I'd rather legally carry a weapon and have a fighting chance against someone that intends to harm me than be a defenseless victim. I love states like New Hampshire that permit you to carry any firearm legally without a permit as long as you legally own the weapon. also, if you can't own a firearm for some reason you can look into PreCharged Pneumatic (PCP) air guns and there are a lot of cool electric weapons, both lethal and non-lethal, and self defense devices. you can even get fully automatic PCP guns and they are totally legal throughout the ENTIRE US. there is a federal law that makes it legal to carry pcp air guns almost everywhere. there is an LED light device that is supposed to blind a person and make them nauseous. bear mace can be useful too.

[Somanax]

^
when i lived in lake worth, all the apt buildings on my street kept getting robbed
the 3 dudes would come in and take people's shit, and if they were home they'd threaten 'em with knives
the cops were going nuts trying to catch these vatos
then they broke into one dude's apt, and he had a 9mm and wasn't ready to put up with any shit
the ONE dude that walked (ran? i wasn't there) away didn't fuck around in that hood anymore
so one lil illegal gun in the neighborhood saved bunches of families and shit
from having some mexican dudes wave knives in their face and take their shit

guns prevent crime, dude
and guns can't kill folks any more than drugs can kill folks
inanimate objects can't kill, it's people doing the killing (themselves or others)



Agreed gun's prevent you from being a victim


Never a victim alway's armed ask U100

he and I both had need of weapon's when we lived in Charlotte N.C.

obviously we no longer live there yet I still am not comfy w/o lethal arm's

hell a fuckin FORK can be lethal if you need it to be

[nick]

Df,sorry bro.I should have known that would totally derail your thread and seeing it's a thread that has potential.............I'm only going to say this once..........IGNORE ME.


OK my carnales back to the eme.

[GOLD N DIEMONDS]

Df,sorry bro.I should have known that would totally derail your thread and seeing it's a thread that has potential.............I'm only going to say this once..........IGNORE ME.


OK my carnales back to the eme.

AH TOP OF THE MORNING NICK
yea I only Know a little of how really fucking bad things are in Mexico
with the ruthles cartels ENTERING POLICE STATIONS and mass murders
FROM LISTENING TO THE BBC
so ingore you -naw


BUT YES WE AMERICAS DO LOVE OUR GUNS
THE RIGHT TO BEAR ARMS
Though that was originally intended to keep OUR gov't from taking over our people
NO NUCs - 200 years ago
so who the fuck knows
:confused:

[nick]

AH TOP OF THE MORNING NICK
yea I only Know a little of how really fucking bad things are in Mexico
with the ruthles cartels ENTERING POLICE STATIONS and mass murders
FROM LISTENING TO THE BBC
so ingore you -naw


BUT YES WE AMERICAS DO LOVE OUR GUNS
THE RIGHT TO BEAR ARMS
Though that was originally intended to keep OUR gov't from taking over our people
NO NUCs - 200 years ago
so who the fuck knows
:confused:

Good morning,bro.

Yeah ol Mex',you know a country has got a problem when videos of cops being beheaded crop up on u tube.

What's the old quote ....good help Mexico,so far from god,but so close to America.

[nodrover]

Has anyone on the East coast ever seen tar in their area? I live in CT, and I have actually made a point to try and seek some out. No dice though....

[SHELLEY]

Has anyone on the East coast ever seen tar in their area? I live in CT, and I have actually made a point to try and seek some out. No dice though....

i've never seen tar
and i've copped in different cities in:
florida, georgia, alabama, mississippi, south carolina, virginia, tennessee, missouri,
new york, new hampshire, and massachussetts (sp)

[Duckfeet]

Poor Mexico: so far away from God, so close to the United States,
or
Poor Tijuana: so far away from God, so close to San Diego.

:)


Good morning,bro.

Yeah ol Mex',you know a country has got a problem when videos of cops being beheaded crop up on u tube.

What's the old quote ....god help Mexico,so far from god,but so close to America.

[squareone]

In the San Jose,ca there's a lot of Mexicans, not so many blacks though. I think whites are a minority already. I'm no racist but Mexicans are the only people I've had trouble with. Most of them seem to be huge fucking assholes outside of my lil bubble of a town.

[Eric5989]

Theres been tar here in Michigan

[Hard way]

Has anyone on the East coast ever seen tar in their area? I live in CT, and I have actually made a point to try and seek some out. No dice though....

I remember back in the late 70's and there was a shortage of white in NYC. We had Mex Brown
for about a year. It would come and go. they did'nt know how to cut it as it looked like snow with
mud thrown in. Having lived in Cali for some time I remember when Tar first appeared in the early 80's
and it was good at first. Brown powder and Tar were available side by side. Then it all went down hill.
It's nice to be back in NY as the Light brown/Grey powder from Colombia is nice. Specially since all
I do is sniff now. And yes you can go back from IV to sniffing. I really think the high is nicer as long
as the dope is good.

[mikey5string]

nodrover.

ive never seen tar in ct.

[More Feen]

I'm out of touch with many things 'Merican, but I've seen reports on CNN etc..., about MS13, yada-yada.

I am assuming that Tar will follow the Mexican gangs, is the abscence of LOTS of Tar on the East Coast due to other gangs being "in control" of the turf there?

I mean if the various AA gangs or Russian or Italian (could name more nationalities, but won't) gangs have an area, do they usually provide a tannish powder (typical SEA #4, or Colombian)? Or do they provide whatever they get their hands on (Mexican Tar, SEA #4, Colombian)?

Sorry if this is a totally dipshit question--just curious,

M F

[Paregoric Kid]

I've heard a couple people say they've seen tar on the east coast, I don't know if they were telling the truth or not though. personally I have never seen it in the northeast US.

[DCBA]

Look on the bright side... At least that should mean more drugs and perhaps better prices for the drugs. But also a lot more crime..

[Oakleyskier]

i'm pretty sure tar is on the south east coast of the u.s. and just the south in general.


i used to think tar was WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY better when i smoked tar, and sniffed powder.

i used to be the ony guy saying nah i fucking loove that shit, while duckfeet would always complain about how nasty it was.

now that im a shooter mcGavin i think tar is complete shit and am surely happy Philadelphia and Jersey are some strong hold places for colombian dope.

[StackBundles]

HAHA, Insano... I just ran across tar for the THIRD time in my life a week ago. Shit came out of OHIO. Needless to say, it was complete shit, just like it was the other two times I had it.

On a side note, I'd like to see them MS13 cats try to go at them Arabs and Eastern "Stan" country thugs here in the D. Not happening.

[SHELLEY]

HAHA, Insano... I just ran across tar for the THIRD time in my life a week ago. Shit came out of OHIO. Needless to say, it was complete shit, just like it was the other two times I had it.

On a side note, I'd like to see them MS13 cats try to go at them Arabs and Eastern "Stan" country thugs here in the D. Not happening.

^
i'd like to see them up against the colombians and cubans that run MIAMI
they'd shed some blood, but them mexicanos would looooooooooooose

[jcmanny]

Theres been tar here in Michigan

One of my Detroit dealers said he had a line for really high grade tar. I told him the stuff was great for smokers but IV users wouldn't bother because the brown powder around is so good.

[chopstix]

Juarez is currently the murder capital of the world. The mexican gangs are no fucking joke, I'm not saying anyone is more badass than anyone else, but you wouldn't catch me betting against them.

They're funded and they're fucking ruthless, and their dope is cheap..

[Opiyum]

I've never seen tar and I never wanna see tar. The powder is here to stay and that's final... God damnit.

The idea here is if I get angry enough and state my case very firmly then surely someone will listen and they will decide to spare Pittsburgh of the tar and allow us to keep our yummy stamps.

My next move will be prayer. Thank the lord I went to rehab and found my higher power. Now I just have to pray for shit and thy will be done.

[Duckfeet]

We'll see. More likely, and from what I read, already happening, is that they make "uneasy" alliances: it's all about money...I've known all those cultures to one degree or another, and haven't seen that any one of them--in general--has any more heart, or willingness to kill, than the other: they are all ruthless and want the money, and could give a shit less about who they have to off to get where they want to get...Colombia and Mexico been holding hands a while now, and it'll just be one big spanish speaking family, when all's said and done...I'm not buying the "it won't happen here, our people are too tough" argument...it's just money, and getting the cheapest product here, and right now, that goes through mexico...the rest is just killing and counting money...and firepower...

^
i'd like to see them up against the colombians and cubans that run MIAMI
they'd shed some blood, but them mexicanos would looooooooooooose

[duck]

Outlaw guns, and only the outlaws will have guns.

This ain't the UK man.

This is exactly right.

I know the assumption by the British that British logic is infallible, but here I think you guys are wrong.

After spending some time over there -- not a lot, but enough -- it's clear that you guys don't dislike guns -- you truly do not understand guns within the American context.

You're seeing an American problem through the eyes of the UK -- trust me, we wouldn't solve shit in the UK by implementing American solutions....it's wise not to do the inverse IMO.