Pennsylvania to sell needles over counter

[Thai_Stick]

Saw this in the paper this morning

Pennsylvanians can now buy hypodermic needles without a prescription, a change that research shows reduces the spread of AIDS and other viruses among users of illegal drugs.Public health activists hailed the state Board of Pharmacy's lifting of the restriction as a way to lessen risky sharing of needles by drug users, but not all pharmacists are happy about it.

http://articles.lancasteronline.com/local/4/242345

[Opiofiend]

Fuckn a right. And I just ran out too. I'm goin right after work. Props for lettin us know

[Leave it ta Beaver]

All of the world should follow this idea!!

Honestly they should make 'em more obtainable to any addict, it would make things alot easier/healthier!

[Thai_Stick]

Fuckn a right. And I just ran out too. I'm goin right after work. Props for lettin us know

Be sure to report back and let us know how it goes. This isn't a mandate and doesn't require a pharmacy to sell them without a script, it gives them the option, so it will be interesting to see how quickly (or if) they adopt the practice.

[Leave it ta Beaver]

Your right about the pharmacy's desgression, never caught that part. It'll probally be few if any to be friendlly w/ their rigs!

[monkeyphunk]

Cali did the same thing a few years ago n still its few and far between where they will sell em they still try saying ita illegal they jus don't want junkies to be clean n healthy we wouldn't need them thenYour right about the pharmacy's desgression, never caught that part. It'll probally be few if any to be friendlly w/ their rigs!

[Raisin]

Here it is legal but up to the pharmacist's discretion. I heard from a friend in the game that all the pharms in the area (county) recently stopped. We've got a lot of diversion and maybe it's got to do something with that. It makes no sense if you ask me. If you make them less available it isn't going to stop anyone. It's only going to encourage risk taking behavior in the drug using community. I've actually gotten into it with pharmacists before but then again I'm in the south.

[The Paregoric Man]

Aggro supply places, usually in a tub by the counter. Gotta accept what they have, BD tuberculina 29G is common, no script required. Don't wear anything crazy.

[bigNasty]

All of the world should follow this idea!!

Honestly they should make 'em more obtainable to any addict, it would make things alot easier/healthier!
LOL I hope every state joins the 21st century with my lovely state.....Mississippi that everyone says is still in the "dark age" and shit like

[InfectedMushroom]

I usually just buy online but this a great thing. The only good thing this state has done in a long time...now to head to some pharmacies this weekend and try it out. I'll report back with my results.

[Paregoric Kid]

this is great news. so how do you buy them? do you just go in and ask for the gauge of insulin syringe you want?

[bindegal]

Here in Denmark is legal, but up to the pharmacist if he want to sell it. But the state og citys have a lot of places where you just get it for free, bags of it. So I feel guilty when I read about people who can't get clean rigs.

[Paregoric Kid]

yeah its that way here too, its up to the individual pharmacist if he wants to sell it to you.

[bindegal]

Here is some of the stuff i had lying around, with a lighter for size comparison. Is only some of the things we can get.
We don't get these small insulin syringe with fixed needle. Here the small one is 2ml syringes, the small needle is 26Gx1/2"
The big 20ml syringe is use for metadon, and the big blue needle is for folks who use thery femoral vein.

http://img182.imageshack.us/img182/2185/arigs.th.jpg (http://img182.imageshack.us/i/arigs.jpg/)

[Leave it ta Beaver]

Here is some of the stuff i had lying around, with a lighter for size comparison. Is only some of the things we can get.
We don't get these small insulin syringe with fixed needle. Here the small one is 2ml syringes, the small needle is 26Gx1/2"
The big 20ml syringe is use for metadon, and the big blue needle is for folks who use thery femoral vein.

http://img182.imageshack.us/img182/2185/arigs.th.jpg (http://img182.imageshack.us/i/arigs.jpg/)

Ouch, Ya'll got them big gauge's, but that's cool you get all you need! Same here w/ the needle exchange program, theyeven give you bleach just in case! ( along w/ tie's, cooker's,alcohol swab's etc...)

[bigNasty]

this is great news. so how do you buy them? do you just go in and ask for the gauge of insulin syringe you want?
Yep and I'd like to add that you should go to Wal-Mart. CVS and some other big chains require that you get your insulin filled there in order to get pins but Wal-Mart isn't like that. If it's legal in your state, their company policy is to sell them to you no matter what you look like or any of that shit. Say i need a bag/box of 31 gauge, half cc, 5/16 insulin needles and BAM there you are being rung up for two dollars and some change for a bag of 10

[SHELLEY]

Here it is legal but up to the pharmacist's discretion. I heard from a friend in the game that all the pharms in the area (county) recently stopped. We've got a lot of diversion and maybe it's got to do something with that. It makes no sense if you ask me. If you make them less available it isn't going to stop anyone. It's only going to encourage risk taking behavior in the drug using community. I've actually gotten into it with pharmacists before but then again I'm in the south.

i know TONS of places in our county that sell 'em

[Opiyum]

I hope this doesn't put prevention point pittsburgh out of bussiness because not only did they distribute needles but they also handed out narcan and gave classes on administering it. If they stop their program because of this it then that's no good.
I guess people will still want free needles but I wonder if they are going to lose their funding and or licence.
Otherwise this is awesome news.

[JTDuffet]

same in my state.. they allow it.. of course sometimes I get funny looks when i buy my usual 5 packs of 10.. :) they sometimes do the math for me as if I couldn't... thats 50? yes it is.. thanks..

$13.xx for 50 spikes.. and they always give you that sheet that explains how to dispose of properly, lists some needle exchanges and places that do sharps pickups, etc...

-jt

[Paregoric Kid]

I don't think they have a license, narcan can't be dispensed without a legit prescription. if anything this should help increase needle exchanges. in PA the only ones I know of are in Philly and Pitt.
so do I just ask for like 28 gauge u100 insulin syringes or do I have to specify the cc and stuff? are the regular syringes 1cc, that is what I would prefer.

[bigNasty]

so do I just ask for like 28 gauge u100 insulin syringes or do I have to specify the cc and stuff? are the regular syringes 1cc, that is what I would prefer.
Ask for whatever you want. 100 units=1cc. They're gonna need to know syringe size(1/2cc, 1cc, etc..), needle length(5/16, 1 inch, etc...) and needle gauge(18, 25, 31, etc..)

[The_Highwayman]

I used to get a hard time and bad look when I brought in a SCRIPT and asking for pins...

[duck]

Here is some of the stuff i had lying around, with a lighter for size comparison. Is only some of the things we can get.
We don't get these small insulin syringe with fixed needle. Here the small one is 2ml syringes, the small needle is 26Gx1/2"
The big 20ml syringe is use for metadon, and the big blue needle is for folks who use thery femoral vein.

http://img182.imageshack.us/img182/2185/arigs.th.jpg (http://img182.imageshack.us/i/arigs.jpg/)


Ahh...the little yellow citric pouches -- I became very familiar with those while abroad recently ;)

[The_Highwayman]

Can any PA 'philes share on how the real life application is going??

[Opiyum]

I've been thinking about going and trying cause I'm going to need some soon for some DMT but alas I can't even afford a ten pack of needles. When the day comes that I can I'm gonna go try a few places.

[JTDuffet]

this is exactly how I do it... i walk to the pharmacy and wait in line... when i am called to the counter i say....

hi there, I'd like 1CC, 30 guage, 1/2". thats it.. and they come and bring me a 10 pack. thats usually when I say, I'd like 5 packs please.

they bring em up to the counter, ring them up, drop in a sheet of paper identifying proper needle disposal procedures, lists some support info, needle exchange info, etc and lists numbers to call, etc...

the rigs cost $2.78 a 10 pack. so its like $13 bucks for 50 rigs...

-jt

[farmpkm]

I don't think they have a license, narcan can't be dispensed without a legit prescription. if anything this should help increase needle exchanges. in PA the only ones I know of are in Philly and Pitt.
so do I just ask for like 28 gauge u100 insulin syringes or do I have to specify the cc and stuff? are the regular syringes 1cc, that is what I would prefer.

They actually give you a prescription with your name on it at prevention point pittsburgh. First time I got it there it was from an actual physician volunteer, but I got it refilled (expired, not used) recently by a young girl who I know for a fact is not a doctor. Probably not %100 legal for her to be signing prescriptions, but I doubt anyone is going to bust their balls about it. It still had the same doctors name on it, btw.

Edit:
Oh, and forgot to say that they don't ask for ID or anything so you can give a fake name if you want. Probably smarter to have it in your actual name though.

[Opiyum]

So anybody have any luck with this yet?
I am so flat broke, to the point that I traded a connection for 30 bucks worth of food stamp credit, that I am not going to be trying this anytime soon.
I'm interested to see what if any pharmacies people have had luck at.
I could just see myself trying this out and coming across a pharmacist who didn't even know that the law was changed and they sure wouldn't take my word for it that it had I wouldn't think.
Do you think that a letter or notice was sent out to every pharmacy making them aware of the change? Or does that make to much sense?

Oh I went ahead and copied this thread into another forum it kinda fits under the definition of a few different ones and I had trouble finding it tonight which is why your seeing it in three places at once...

[GOLD N DIEMONDS]

TRIPLE THREADS?????
idk . swimming on drug
hard time
scoring pins IN U.S. anywhere easy
ask pharmacist to write down his name and his SUPERIORS NAME
SO, when you go home and into insulin shock and die,
S.O. may sue the FUCK out of him/ store

[Thai_Stick]

I noticed the tripple threads last night as well. They must have been moving the thread and didn't know where to put it. I felt bad putting it where I did because this could really help alot of people and I didn't put it in a very active forum where everyone would notice it.

Really surprised we havn't gotten a report from anyone yet, maybe we will now that it's been moved and I'm drawing attention to this thread by posting the ump-teenth request for it. Guess I can't get that upset because I do live in the state as well, but I'm not big on IV.

[GOLD N DIEMONDS]

where is it you original put it,
YEAH WOULD LIKE TO HEARD FIRST ON EXPERIENCE TO. NICE OF YOU TO CARE <3

[Thai_Stick]

I think I put it in the news section, because I saw it in the paper, but it really does belong here instead.

I thought when I posted this every 'phile in pennsylvania would be running for the closest CVS, trampling anything in their path, but I guess I was wrong. :( :( :(

JUNKIE STAMPEDE!

[bigNasty]

I thought when I posted this every 'phile in pennsylvania would be running for the closest CVS, trampling anything in their path, but I guess I was wrong. :( :( :(

JUNKIE STAMPEDE!
They wouldn't go to CVS, i can tell you that. Where I live, CVS will only sell you rigs if you get your insulin filled there

[RxQueen]

from another pennsylvanian... i'm really happy that they finally did this. it's about time!! but being as broke as i am these days, i'm staying as far away from dope as i can, cuz that shit has a way of eating through every penny i've got, then making me do things i normally wouldn't just to get more cash. go figure, eh?

i'm kinda eager too, to hear how others are doing with scoring rigs from pharmacies in the state. that way i'll know which places to hit up right away, as soon as i fall back to old ways and need some points! (i'm waaaayyyyyy past the times when i would tell myself "never again".... what a set-up for self-loathing that phrase was).

[BrickShitz]

I have a friend that uses iv drugs and he said he would rather just buy them online no matter what the law is. he says its easier and cheaper, supposedly he gets them for 25 cents each, delivered.

[hopefiend]

I have a friend that uses iv drugs and he said he would rather just buy them online no matter what the law is. he says its easier and cheaper, supposedly he gets them for 25 cents each, delivered.

i can get singles for 25 cents down the road on long island.

Im happy the rest of the country is coming out of the dark ages

[roxilady]

They wouldn't go to CVS, i can tell you that. Where I live, CVS will only sell you rigs if you get your insulin filled there



I was in Laughlin a couple of yrs ago getting a script filled in AZ (yeah it was opiates), and it was about 11:00 at night and it was a CVS anyway this kid walks in, must of been about 18 maybe younger and he asks for a bunch of needles, now I am not an IVer but I was curious because I always thought you needed a script. After he left a ask the lady at the counter and she said that you can by needles, its just up to the pharmacies if they want to. I have never heard of this. I live in CA and have always wanted to try it but was too chicken shit.

[mac]

I live in Northwestern PA and I tried getting some rigs at CVS and at Rite Aid. Neither place would sell them to me. I said to them that it's legal for them to provide me with them without a prescription and they informed me that it's at their discretion who they sell them to. I got really pissed but held my tongue.

SWIM had a few MS 100s the other day and I ended up saying fuck it and driving to NY state to get the rigs. The New York border is only about 30-40 minutes away from my house anyway. The Rite Aid across the border never asks questions, but the only problem in NY is that they only sell 10-packs at a time.

Next time I decide to take a break from subs I'm going to try to find a place nearby that will sell them. It really sucks that the nearest needle exchange is three hours away in Pitt. I will post here if I ever end up getting someone to sell me rigs in PA.

[port rhombus]

i can get singles for 25 cents down the road on long island.

Im happy the rest of the country is coming out of the dark ages

Agreed, but I think it's sad that NYC pharmacies won't sell you more than a ten pack without a script. Sure, you can buy another the next day, the next shift, or at the CVS, Walgreens, and Duane Reade on every block in Manhattan, but IMO it practically encourages injectors to reuse rigs.

[blackdog]

Yep and I'd like to add that you should go to Wal-Mart. CVS and some other big chains require that you get your insulin filled there in order to get pins but Wal-Mart isn't like that. If it's legal in your state, their company policy is to sell them to you no matter what you look like or any of that shit. Say i need a bag/box of 31 gauge, half cc, 5/16 insulin needles and BAM there you are being rung up for two dollars and some change for a bag of 10

Yeah peep's
chain store are usually the first ones (greedy ones) to get on the allowable sale of points. but then those geeker pharmicists find out they can use there descretion to do so. Mainly they get scared of the true street homeless junkies that come in and scare away buisness/customers. Ya would think they give it to em fer free just to go away,
and them needle exchanges and their rules which aint so bad but fuck them.
I wont get up, I don't want to go to school, I don't want to get out of bed .......leave me the fuck alone. arf arf later i got getta fixed.........dawg,

[hopefiend]

Agreed, but I think it's sad that NYC pharmacies won't sell you more than a ten pack without a script. Sure, you can buy another the next day, the next shift, or at the CVS, Walgreens, and Duane Reade on every block in Manhattan, but IMO it practically encourages injectors to reuse rigs.

yeah but it does not incourage SHARING them IMO..

[blackdog]

Syringe availability touches on quite a few of my nerves. I'm not looking for anything for free. As I've always paid my way except for a few beats that have gone down with me, but those involved understand the inner trappings of this game we play. Much love as one should never sweat the small stuff, not seeking forgivness blah,blah,blah.:rolleyes:ooops where was we?....... even with all the availability of pins by me N.Y./N.J. I am still forced to reuse my sharps supply. as the exchange has there stupid little rules. nothing generous like i've heard out west(unlimitedamounts) I.E. how many can you hold in yer hands kinda like i've heard stories. probbally has to with timeing, i'm sure.
In my jersey(paterson exchange) i think it was 30 or god forbid maybe it was 60 pins WOW!! but SHHHHH i had to promise not to let any other clients know how many i was given. g ive me a break. as matter of fact just give me some god darn fucking syringes and of course yes oh sure i promise ill be back in three weeks for a visit so as to reup.
Damn!! don't these pencil pushing morons have any idea that i wish to not even be there in the first place! nevermind to come back every 3-4 weeks? I'm not enjoying the fact that now i have to return with my sharps container full more or less or they wont supply me. being in paterson is not an enjoyable activitie for me to begin with nevermind with an assortment of bloody/used syringes in the trunk of my car. but oh yeah they got that covered so they say.....we have legal council that will represent you if any charges are ever brought up on me. oh wow aint that just fuckin reassureing to the max huh?Tears r coming to my eyes, oh man i'm kinda fucked up and gettin way aggrevated at the momento so not to waste any more of anybodys readin efforts...i bid you all peace and happy highs
dawg,:cool:

[mikey5string]

i think youll find that the law includes a clause that allows the sale to be "up to the pharmacists discretion".

this means that if they dont feel like it, you aint gettin your pins. i dont see how this is even legal. i mean, theyre either legal or not? what the fuck? if theyre legal fucking sell them. youre a god damn store. thats what you do. take my money, give me shit. it basically gives the pharm a liscense to discriminate.

[animalpharm]

Hi guys,



I've had an account here for YEARS but I think this may be first ever post. I've been reading this board so long some of the personalities here are like old friends already. It is my ambivalence towards these matters in general which has probably led me to come here more in the past for intelligence-gathering than for communing. But, I've finally decided I want to join the fray...

Anyway - to the point: Just wonderin' how fellow Pennsylvanians have made out with the new legal situation in the past month or two since this went into effect? Anyone succesfully field tested the new permissiveness in a pharmacy? Chain or mom-and-pop? I lived in NYC years ago, right after the same decision was made there, and I think I preferred mom and pops run by foreigners who spoke little English most of all. Chain stores gave a feeling of mixing anonymously into the masses, which was nice of course but I found I got more dirty looks from Americans than anyone else on the few occasions I bought points w/o a script OTC.

I ask because I was considering the now legal course of making a visit somewhere myself.

Thanks in advance...

[The Mother Superior]

i'm so glad that i can post in this thread now!!

i live in western PA and the most well known grocery store chain here sells syringes at their pharmacies without a prescription since this change took effect. i have gotten packs there several times now. you do need to provide them with the size that you want, and that's it. They can sell you a box of 100, all the way down to a pack of 10 for $4.

*note* at first i tried to act like i needed them for insulin purposes and really shot myself in the foot because i ended up with the "extra short" needle tip which caused all kinds of problems. since then, i just go up and ask for what i need and don't bother trying to play it off like i need them for any legitimate purpose. the employees don't give a shit, and i most likely made myself look more suspect in trying to provide some type of "story" LOL.